I heard kraukauer speak a while back seemed like such a humble and genuine individual. A author that writes like few i have read his words paint a picture that makes you feel like you are a part of his story. He spoke about his book three cups of deciet when i saw him jon was able to handle the folks that didnt believe his story with reapect and decorum.
I have some thoughts -probably naive and repetitive, but still...maybe someone will read this and being more intelligent make a positive impact for change from their station in life on behalf of Everest. Ideas: place MORE stashes of emergency oxygen tanks and OVERNIGHT HIGH ALTITUDE GEAR at specific locations for critical emergencies ABOVE CAMP and place mandatory independent Sherpa rescue teams at all camps funded by the climbers directly - like insurance -that stay rotating on the mountain once climbing begins until it ends. Other seemingly obvious but yet to be implemented ideas: limiting annual permitting, limiting the number of climbers/clients on a given day’s summit team, and requiring verified pre-requisite climbs by all clients. - As of 2020, we see from Krakauer’s 1996 account, VERY LITTLE has GOTTEN BETTER ON EVEREST! Crowding and waiting, lack of experience, and diminished morality at key moments have deteriorated even further. Making the experience elite again may really help!
the situation has changed a lot since 1996. looking at it from 'living organic live point of view' (:-D) I guess, at one point a sort of catastrophy had to happen, the way things were going. after that people got the chance to learn. but one of the main suggestions, to handle the desire of so many people to experience the Everest all together, is one, I heard from Reinhold Messner. Probably he wasn't the only one stating it. it is about the physical condition of the people. that they have to be able to make it most of the way without oxygene and oxygene should be there and used on the last pit, and when in danger as a reserve. also the crew needs to have oxygene available so they can help, in case of emergency or exhaution. also the count of guides per person has changed since then. that is for sure one of the reasons, why so much less people get to die there since. there is never a 100% safety no where. especially not on mountains. no matter how high. a sort of risk will always remain. that is live. but of course caution and foresight can help to be prepared, as good as it gets.
Rob Hall’s instructions to wait at the top of the mountain; for Beck Weathers to wait; and for Doug Hanson to push for the summit past the time predetermined seem so so foolish. Why would he do that if he was knowledgeable about the damage to the body staying in the death zone; and the risk of congestion and weather variables preventing safe return to camp. It is clear everyone needs to also think for themselves and I’m surprised that Jon didn’t use his own thinking and immediately leave the summit.
So much controversy and intrigue surrounding this expedition: Two journalists (publicity), returning clients like Doug Hansen who Rob Hall wanted to get to the top, personalities, egos, insane challenges and risks - all recipes for trouble...
It's incredibly easy to make bad decisions in the mountain, let alone above 8000m when your brain is barely working and you're losing brain cells by the minute.
I heard kraukauer speak a while back seemed like such a humble and genuine individual. A author that writes like few i have read his words paint a picture that makes you feel like you are a part of his story. He spoke about his book three cups of deciet when i saw him jon was able to handle the folks that didnt believe his story with reapect and decorum.
This is priceless.
Great stories! To think they actually happened 💀
I guess we'll have to read the books to find out the rest.
Truly sad
Update: go to th-cam.com/video/q5LtdIwZF50/w-d-xo.htmlsi=qOC4XozoPrj25aLO for the entire presentation
I have some thoughts -probably naive and repetitive, but still...maybe someone will read this and being more intelligent make a positive impact for change from their station in life on behalf of Everest. Ideas: place MORE stashes of emergency oxygen tanks and OVERNIGHT HIGH ALTITUDE GEAR at specific locations for critical emergencies ABOVE CAMP and place mandatory independent Sherpa rescue teams at all camps funded by the climbers directly - like insurance -that stay rotating on the mountain once climbing begins until it ends. Other seemingly obvious but yet to be implemented ideas: limiting annual permitting, limiting the number of climbers/clients on a given day’s summit team, and requiring verified pre-requisite climbs by all clients. - As of 2020, we see from Krakauer’s 1996 account, VERY LITTLE has GOTTEN BETTER ON EVEREST! Crowding and waiting, lack of experience, and diminished morality at key moments have deteriorated even further. Making the experience elite again may really help!
Very intelligent suggestions!
the situation has changed a lot since 1996. looking at it from 'living organic live point of view' (:-D) I guess, at one point a sort of catastrophy had to happen, the way things were going. after that people got the chance to learn. but one of the main suggestions, to handle the desire of so many people to experience the Everest all together, is one, I heard from Reinhold Messner. Probably he wasn't the only one stating it. it is about the physical condition of the people. that they have to be able to make it most of the way without oxygene and oxygene should be there and used on the last pit, and when in danger as a reserve. also the crew needs to have oxygene available so they can help, in case of emergency or exhaution. also the count of guides per person has changed since then. that is for sure one of the reasons, why so much less people get to die there since. there is never a 100% safety no where. especially not on mountains. no matter how high. a sort of risk will always remain. that is live. but of course caution and foresight can help to be prepared, as good as it gets.
Rob Hall’s instructions to wait at the top of the mountain; for Beck Weathers to wait; and for Doug Hanson to push for the summit past the time predetermined seem so so foolish. Why would he do that if he was knowledgeable about the damage to the body staying in the death zone; and the risk of congestion and weather variables preventing safe return to camp.
It is clear everyone needs to also think for themselves and I’m surprised that Jon didn’t use his own thinking and immediately leave the summit.
So much controversy and intrigue surrounding this expedition: Two journalists (publicity), returning clients like Doug Hansen who Rob Hall wanted to get to the top, personalities, egos, insane challenges and risks - all recipes for trouble...
Yes. When it was he who said 2 turnaround time…his thinking must have become affected by altitude effects
It's incredibly easy to make bad decisions in the mountain, let alone above 8000m when your brain is barely working and you're losing brain cells by the minute.
I think John did leave the summit almost immediately. He stayed for 5 minutes