Death of a Game: Bleeding Edge
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#DOAG . Death of a Game is a series dedicated to uncovering the mysteries surrounding the death of a game or company. nerdSlayer defines the term "death" in the context of the show as either... 1. Literally dead. 2. Had a mass exodus of players and never recovered (expectations etc). 3. The company ceased to exist. We follow a timeline of events, to uncover clues concerning why a game or company doesn't do well, and attempt to put it all together at the end for a deduction explaining how or why the game failed based on the evidence gathered.
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Guns of Icarus Online as the next one?
Your comment being fixed can be considered a "yes".
@@brendongame2543 would appear so, yes
I loved that game rip
Shame it died, I loved the style and the gameplay was incredibly unique.
God i loved that game
I'm amazed that you didn't mention that there was zero advertising. I'm pretty sure that 50% of the viewers never heard of the game, which is sad because it was really fun.
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I never heard of it lol
Only knew about it because it was on gamepass
This, I saw it at PAX 2019, on a few machines kind of out of the way, and that was it. Only marketing I saw.
To be fair, it's impossible to market. Who'd want a game by the people who made the DMC reboot, except without competent previous works to rip off? You'd have an easier time marketing Utah to an Antarctic midge with a drinking problem.
As a dev with a 4 year project that went unnoticed, hearing stories like that is heart breaking. There is clearly a lot of love on display. To work so hard on something, and then for it to be just....ignored is devastating.
Maaaaaaaaaaay be if games like this had you know a piece of "old tech", the ability to host games/dedicated servers, they would not died so fast or be forgotten.
I ignored it because it was fucking ugly
What was your 4 year project? I'm interested in checking it out on steam or whenever else it is.
the whole "it was ignored" is just BS, ninja theory worked on many famous games, their last one won alot of atention. nah, the real reason it failed is much simpler, its because its a ninja theory game.
even at their best, the most they could deliver was mediocre gameplay, and now they decide to make a mp arena fighter?
to even question this being a passion project goes to show how mediocre their games are when it comes to gameplay. if this is them doing something with their most love... it really explains alot actually.
think i forgot about it, because the visuals and characters are ugly as sin
this is the first DoAG where ive literally never heard of the game
It's actually the opposite for me since I don't usually dive into online games
The only reason i know of it, is because it was on the xbox game pass before its launch. Other than that, I've never seen a single advertisement or anything about it.
Its one of the few i have
Have you heard of Bruce Wayne John mccain and Louis Lane?
This game was revealed at E3 2019. Have you already forgotten it?
When a game is ded before you even heard of it - classic
guess it wasnt just me lol
I thought I was the only one.
to be fair, it was dead even before it started development, a SP focused, team who has only delivered mediocre(at best) gameplay, decides to make a MP focused, arena fighter.
I heard of it.....But saw the characters and just never really wanted to try it. It seemed like all of them where ugly. Diverse? sure. Diversely ugly. I don't think diversity in the cast is bad thing. It has been done to great effect before. But it was just too dissonant, too ugly, too forced.
What severly put me off the game was even the Beta was put behind a ridiculously expensive paywall, If it had been free, I would have definetely tried it. But I see it in bargain bins all the time now.
What's funny is - Rogue Company also had a paywall for their beta. Something tells me that game will be on a future episode.
@@ravager48 Of course, just like Realm Royale it's main purpose is to make some easy money with an recent trend (in this case Valorant)
@@ravager48 Rogue is FAR from a dying game though. It's devs are complete ass, sure, but far from dead.
hello you - thank you for writing here, I was wondering about your uploads and saw that I was unsubscribed O.o
re-subscribed! :D
Wouldn't say that was soo expensive, wasn't cheap but not so expensive as overwatch for example compare there full price
Honestly if at least had a demo for this game, probably would help a lot to for people get a try on this game
Well....unfortunately is over;-;
The biggest issue is the massive oversaturation of the market. Even if the game was free, it wouldn't have mattered when there are already hundreds of hero shooter title to choose from.
I still wanted to try it because none of those other games are melee focused
But this is more of a hero brawler. So it would set itself apart enough. I bet if this game had League of Legend or Nintendo characters, it would've been a big success.
Man....pls..... bleeding edge ISN'T A SHOOTER GAME 0-0
It just a team (with elements of)moba melee
@@Raidoton The Brawler market is a huge Niche market. No matter what imo the game was never going to get a mainstream following.
Honestly, It probably would have worked better as a MOBA. Instead of a HeroBrawler.
@@BlueBDwell, the main problem was, even with the bad launch, was the immensely miss of support form the studio whose made this game.
They still had one more year for make this game something,but since launch they just abandon it
The game can have anything,but is responsibility of the studio in any circumstances to support/invest in their game when is necessary,and unfortunately, this didn't happened with bleeding edge
"NO one has done this before" i feel like devs and everyone forgets Anarchy Reigns existed.
And that makes me sad
Finally someone who remembers! I was so excited this was bringing back AR in a way. I dug the beta despite not all of the character designs not being to my taste. Too bad it didnt work out.
I feel like Anarchy Reigns was a better fighter though. But that game was also criminally underrated.
Why the hell have I never heard of this game?? It looks fun
I was hoping to see a comment like this in here. Anarchy Reigns was so much chaotic fun but was criminally marketed and much like Bleeding Edge, died in the west before it could really catch on.
there was also this little game called Brawl Busters and it was pretty much the first thing i've thought about when i saw this game
Real friends don't let friends make heroshooters.
Specially overwatch
@@zayodadong Overwatch excels because it specifically caters to the lowest common denominator of FPS players.
@@mcnichoj18 You just proved his point.
What Blizzard always does is catering to the "lowest common denominator" sometimes it works (Overwacth) others times it does not (Heros of the Strom). In both cases they pushed hard the Esport thing, something their target audience does NOT care about, both suffered because of it since "esport" balancing made the games boring and complicated for its audience.
DOTA2, LoL, CSGO, RV:Siege "excel" because they don't cater to "lowest common denominator", they've picked a target audience and have been delivering what that audience expects.
Niches are good if done right (eg: Killing Floor 2) also everyone knows is imposible to please everyone yet many still try and like insanes get surprise when the audience complains.
@@mcnichoj18 I don't get exactly how it caters to the "lowest common denominator." What exactly does that phrase even _mean?_ Or are you just trying to say "Overwatch is for normies REEEEE" but with big words so you sound smart? What about it makes it appealing to normies, and a turn-off for greasy manchildren? Oops- I mean, "pro gamers," lol.
@@bugjams Overwatch is not a complicated game mechanically. It's first and foremost a spectacle. The mechanical skill floor for overwatch is way lower than for example for CS:GO.
A big play in CS:GO that wins a match is usually comprised of a lot perfectly executed minute plays. Take a knife to the first player, lob a flashbang at the two players in the hallway, turn around and headshot the guy behind you and let a teammate take out the two blinded ones.
In Overwatch, you press one button.
To pull of what CS:GO would call a big play it takes hundereds if not thousands of hours of playtime to have enough mechanical practice, map knowledge and game sense.
In Overwatch any player who picks up McCree or Soldier or Widow can do the same with way less. A new player can pick the game up, and do game deciding plays in his first few matches.
I'm not saying that either of these approaches is bad. But one clearly takes commitment and dedication, traits that people consider positive in most contexts, while the other doesn't.
It's the casual vs. hardcore debate but reduced to FPS only.
The same reason as any other live service game: Days are 24 hours long and you can play so much.
Great point!
nah, i said this a few times in diferent posts, as well as when this game was anounced. it died purely because of the dev, not delivering something worth playing. a story driven, SP focused team, who has only delivered mediocre(at best) gameplay, decides to suddenly make a MP arena fighter, there's absolutely no way this would have any other end...
Live service games need content, though. The main issue with this game is that it completely lacked any content whatsoever, at least not enough to justify the $30 price tag.
My experience with Bleeding Edge: I played this game several months after it came out, I thought it was so much fun, and I played every day. The music is SO good. Being a huge fan of DMC I played only as Daemon (the ninja dude). I noticed right away almost every match would have at least one person from the previous match in it. After two weeks I was on the global top 100 just playing casually and met many of the top players who were still playing and had been since beta. The vast majority of the time, if four of us got together, we would obliterate everyone in every match because so many people were just getting the game for the first time before they likely never play it again. I think the lack of marketing had a role to play, because the game had been out for months and I hadn't heard of it even being subscribed to Ninja Theory on TH-cam and having played their other titles. Once the player count dipped too low, the new players were inevitably facing a brick wall of progression in most matches due to the lack of other new players to practice with and develop their skill against. We all saw it dying, and most of us didn't want to believe it.
That being said, the community that formed in Bleeding Edge is one I'll never forget, I may not play the game anymore but I'll always remember my experience meeting everyone and forming groups or custom queues and trying to best one another in private matches. The group everyone widely considered to be the absolute top in the game held a tournament at one point. One group of us edited our display pictures to have breadsticks as a reference to Makutu's dialogue and taunts, and my backup account still has its picture and likely always will. A lot of us still hop into each others Xbox parties and chat even though many of us play different games now.
“He who forgets history” the game
I'm very sad I only heard about this recently by accident. These characters look so cool, I mean you got a dolphin in a mech suit, a robot snake riding a corpse, and a cybernetic harpy! You can't tell me those aren't cool!
Man, I vaguely remember this from an E3 once. I didn't even know it came out and its already dead.
Your profile picture goes well with this comment
I played this for about 4 or 5 hours a year ago, and I told my brother right after that it was going to end up on your channel.
Damn lol I like the game
I'm so very sad that this game didn't survive. If it had the right kind of support, there was a truly unique and thrilling experience to be had and the art design and music were just so memorable. I will miss you, Bleeding Edge. Thank you for what limited time you gave to us!
i still remember when they announced this game on E3, it feels empty.
it feels like a showreel, it seems like they say "this are the characters we made for our new game, that's it"
"the successful reboot of devil may cry"
It was so successful it was outsold by a re-release of the previous entry which was at the time 7 years old. Fuck ninja theory.
Yup
you forgot another major element for the failure of Bleeding Edge: it released withi nclose proximity of Doom Eternal and Animal Crossing
Bleeding Edge was so insanely late to the party that it would have had to have been absolutely exceptional in order to have not been dead on arrival. The game was doa before it even came out. Most people seem to have written it off from just the trailers.
The art style is awful for this game. Even if this thing was free to play at launch I would never touch it with a ten foot pole.
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What you dislike about it ? I found it interesting and high quality
I remembered seeing the trailer of this and immediately said “Yep, this is gonna die in about a year’s time.”
Who knew I would be right
Actually almost everyone I know have said that and knew that
Everyone, lol. This game looked so generic with terrible gameplay ontop of having a price tag.
Nobody talked about anything besides the awesome grandma
It's crazy to see a title I did QA for in this series. I remember going to the NT offices and seeing the incredible work the team did, excited to watch
I remember seeing this game for the first time and immediately thinking: „yeah this is getting a DoaG.“
I’m going to make a SINGLE player hero shooter. Then it will never die and you’ll never be able to make a DOAG on it.
Boom! Big brain plays!
(Love your videos, very educational and entertaining.(
So, Agents of Mayhem?
@@Zehutsumei Yes, but no. I would want to make something where the level design was based on your heroes’ abilities.
*sees advertisement for a new upcoming game*
Me: wow this game looks interesting I hope-
2 weeks later: "death of a game: that game you just saw"
"DmC was received rather positively according to fans"
*WHEEEZE*
@@512TheWolf512 I think calling it "fine" is an understatement. It wasnt just fine, it was painfully *fine*
DEE EM CEE TOO
There were lots of fans that liked DmC. Stay mad.
@@ZombiAstral why would anyone be mad?
Dmc5 exists while DmC is fading into nothingness like a bad dream
Life is beautiful
@@shanehenson315 it wasn't the mainline so it doesn't need to have
DmC isn't a remake, it's a reboot.
And it wasn't a successful release, the game received so much backlash that Capcom decided to go back to the continuity they abandoned rather than asking for a sequel from Ninja Theory.
I suspect that this may be one of the unlisted factors. Ninja Theory was known as the studio that "fucked up Devil May Cry", ESPECIALLY with their lead devs being so fucking hostile towards the original Devil May Cry fanbase (calling old Dante a "gay cowboy" which DMC5 seems to include him dancing in a cowboy hat as a weapon as a potshot at Ninja Theory).
Basically Ninja Theory got pissy the fans didn't like DmC (though to be fair Capcom was also pushing them in that direction for a 'western market focus') so they started mouthing off about it, which pissed off the fanbase even more, which meant sales were not good because you'd pissed off the fanbase you were meant to be making a game for.
I was very confused when he said this. You'd think someone who does these kinds of videos would have a better idea of things like that.
@@luketfer It's a shame too because the game was legitimately fun and dynamic.
Perhaps the devs simply turned their opinion up to 11 because their Dante could very well work as a live action or animated franchise main character.
Main franchise Dante on the other hand...? He's... A videogame character...
The statement of it being a passion project and the end result really made this game feel like an expensive hobby by Ninja Theory and not an actual product or service.
Giving how Microsoft is just letting Studios do their own thing kinda Besthda style I say expect a lot more passion projects out of them.
Oh... I remember this game. Tis a sad day.
@c0ya1 Yeah. However, as we’ve learned in this very series, good concept alone won’t lead to success.
I wanted to like it but I just found the game so slow and clunky, still I mourn the death of any game.
It was actually a lot of fun,but you could feel that Bleeding Edge was not Ninja Theory's main priority
$30 dollar price tag and lack of competitve, reminds me of Rocket Arena.
Games are too scared to embrace f2p, when it is neccesary in 2021's market
lol, tell that to the dime a dozen free to play games with no player base.
@@mcnichoj18 games like rocket arena and bleeding edge are likely much higher profile then the games you are referring to. Having backing from Microsoft/EA puts it into a different category.
It's funny how games this energetic come off as having no personality.
It's like pure distilled 100% marketing.
I think a lot of these games as a service videos can be summed up with "People are sick and tired of games as a service."
Me a few years ago:
Oh cool! I like Atlas Reactor!
>SHUT DOWN<
Oh Cool! I like Gigantic!
>SHUT DOWN<
Oh Cool! I like Bleeding Edge!
>SHUT DOWN<
Welp.
It’s still really weird how Ninja Theory went from Hellblade to this.
They don't go for this game, because at launch they simply abadoned this game 😒
tbf it's Hellblade that's the odd one so far in their history, they used to make fun games until then!
They didn't, they split into two teams. One was making Hellblade (and later Hellblade 2) while the other one was working on Bleeding Edge. When BE got such a weak reception they probably decided to just cut cost and absorb that team back into Hellblade 2 development team.
This was a very small project. They are working on Hellblade 2 as well, so it's not like they abandoned story centric games.
@Grapeapethem8te All their games are mediocre at best.
Whilst i might agree that the character designs can clash when together in the same game, im personally very struck by each one individually, I think they all look exceptional!
So...to avoid a triple A machine, they let themselves be bought by a triple A company....
That makes sense.
the more ironic thing is, after being sold, the company known for making story driven, SP focused games(with mediocre gameplay), first anouncement was a MP, arena brawler... if this isnt the best setup for a joke, i dont know what is.
i think the reasoning is that by being part of Microsoft they can stay a small company that just has a big brother providing funding as long as they're profitable. since Microsoft itself isn't really a gaming company. As opposed to being bought out by EA and essentially killing themselves. Still, a weird way to word the sentence
@@adanzavala4801 thats just how the video game industry, and most industries work. each company specializes in one thing and outsource everything else to specialists. in this case video game studios that specialize in making games usually sign up with publishing companies like EA or Microsoft to distribute and market their game, the dev studio itself usually has no idea how to actually do the business side things so they leave it to publishers to handle so they can just focus on making the game, sometimes studios get big enough and they try to start publishing and doing everything themselves but a lot of the time its not worth the effort
Ninja Theory's DMC was so successful that it caused Capcom to cut ties with the studio, cancel a potential DMC sequel, after which Capcom developed Devil May Cry 5 which is what the fans actually wanted.
Your detective work leaves much to be desired.
Yea, DmC is agreed by the entire DMC community to be one of the worst games in the series and by some even worse than DMC 2, since it almost killed the series.
Would love to see Evolve on this channel.
Thats a great one
wait, he hasnt already? seriously? i was sure he had since it was such an obvious one.
I think it's a really old video actually.
@@ProxyDoug The videos go 4 years back, no Evolve.
Wait did you say that DMC DMC was beloved by the community? Hell no, the community trashed the game completely.
I meant to email you when you were looking for people’s experience with this game. On top of everything mentioned, there was just no “flow” to the game.
You had these giant maps but only 8 players do a lot of the time it was empty. They really wanted you to use the hoverboard to navigate the map so you had to stop moving and not get hit to get on. You would then spend 30 seconds traveling to the next objective, just to have the previous one taken.
When it came to fights, 1vs1’s were often arduous and team fights were a flustercuck. It never really felt like there was a strategy or counter play and more of “jump on one person and beat them to death”.
There was no room to preform well as an individual so if you have less than competent teammates, you were going to get snowballed. You then spent an exceedingly long time respawning and you could also get spawn camped on many of the maps that was additionally frustrating.
Many of the voicelines the character’s had were plain negative and annoying. When you lost an objective they’d growl “ugh, come on team they got the objective.” Or if you were ganked “is anyone helping me?” Which mentally puts you in a negative headspace more than you might already be in if you’re getting snowballed.
I dumped easily over 100 hours into this game and then I just thought “why am I even bothering?”
Anyways, there’s my late $0.02
I wonder how many more hero shooters/brawlers we'll see before this "era" of gaming passes. It's like game companies forgot about the 2000's brown and gray military shooter era
dont forget the mmo swamp, or the more recent, moba tsunami...
What makes your channel great for me is it's not something I ever thought I would want to watch. It's great tho! thanks for the hard work!
I played this game from the very start and was the reason that I got Game Pass on my PC. A decision that paid off amazingly! But the devs didn't care almost immediately. They announced a new character and delayed it multiple times. 😒
They did release two additional characters and a few maps.
Bleeding Edge, Marvel Heroes and Gigantic were all games that seriously died despite being pretty damn good games.
The OST to Bleeding Edge is one of the best and it really deserved more than it has got. When their discord notification went out about them halting any more work on the game, it really made me sad.
Am I a vindictive DMC fan for being happy Tameem's game failed? I am.
You and Akshon esports do a great job with your content. They do similar stuff by researching dead competitive games and other stuff. Its great stuff you guys do in terms of giving answers to a lot of questions people have had. Keep it up
Oh yes dmc. A game so successful that capcom has barely talks about it and the fan base can't decide weather this or devil may cry 2 is the worst game in the series
If Capcom not acknowledging a game means it's bad, most of Capcom's games are bad then.
What do you mean? DmC never happened and isn't a part of the devil may cry series.
I don't know everybody else... but omg those characters are HEDIOUS! Fat lady that turns into a motorcycle? creepy ciber granny? fighter summo wrestling fooballplayer dude? Emo goth undead cyborg creep? Voodo witch doctor cyber-deaddog-mask lady? old samurai cowboy with oxygen tank grampa? Zombie ringmaster snake guy? emo ballerine with giant chicken robo-legs? WTF
Honestly the only ok one is the dolphin on a robot-fishtank
I just realised Bleeding Edge is literally this generation's Anarchy Reigns in all aspects
@Grapeapethem8te I honestly can't judge either fully myself since I haven't actually played either of them. I'm just basically comparing them from a base combat point and how and when it was released
No, no no. Anarchy Reigns is much superior
@Grapeapethem8te Eh. I still liked Bleeding Edge's character designs better. But Anarchy Reigns was kind of a product of it's time too, so I'm sure the designs were considered good at the time as well.
@Grapeapethem8te I think the exact opposite. I guess there's no real point discussing it as it's a matter of opinion.
@Grapeapethem8te Kinda more like extremely ugly
Hearing about this game justmakes me miss Anarchy Reigns. Shame what happened to that game too
wish this game had a sequel or at least a remaster for all platforms. so much personality and signature over-the-top Platinum style! I know it flopped in sales dept. but come on devs and pubs, make it happen, like did with Bayonetta/Vanquish
I don't miss constant unskippable event notices every match tho like holy shit i get it cthulhus back for the 3rd time
Hyper Scape next?
Yeah
It was "Le wacky cartoon" style that put me off right off the bat. If they leaned heavier into the Ghost in the Shell/Akira influence I'd have been all over it. There's already a LOT of games with the cel-shaded Borderlands look, new games with that style are gonna have a hard time standing out from the crowd.
I don't understand how those often millions earnings managers can not understand that trying to milk your audience before you even have audience doesn't work.
Wow, I usually haven't played DOAG games but I have this one and oh boy, you nailed it. I even got goosebumps for some reason. I had hunches why I didn't like the combat but this really exlained it. And now I remember trying get a trial of gamepass just to play this because no way was I paying 30€ on it. Awesome work!
Unrelated to the video, but I was always curious: Is it nerdSlayer as a nerd that slays, or as slayer of nerds?
had to become a nerd to slay nerds
Worst part was that the soundtrack for the game was amazing, but during gameplay you could barely hear it. When you weren't in combat, the music was barely audible, but when you were in combat, you could barely hear the music through the sounds of guns and explosions and stuff. Real sad hours.
They launched their game right into a shrinking hero shooter market. It might have been a success in 2016 but in 2020 Fortnite ruled supreme and the remnants of the hero shooter market were firmly covered by Overwatch. It's the internet, the winner takes it all. And took it long ago in the hero shooter case.
i had so much fun in this game.
wished there was a cash shop for me to buy cosmetics and characters. I really wanted to spend money but they didn't even give me an option to.
"Successful reboot of Devil May Cry"
No... just no
The only thing I remember about this game was like a year ago on twitch I saw someone playing that hero that flies around in the big Wheelchair looking thing and thought to myself it looked like a Walmart disabled version of Lucio and never saw it again until now lmao
Glad that TF2 is still alive till this day
The game is still fun sometimes
alive? its crawling with hackers
unplayable
@@stefanscicluna2799 I did say sometimes
@@stefanscicluna2799 Community servers.
I never knew this came out saw it on e3 thought it could be fun and thought it was still in development until now the marketing for this game was nonexistent
TF2 launched in 2007 without ranked and didn't have ranked until 2016, and did just fine
Key point being launched in 2017. Hero shooters are oversaturated to the point of absurdity now. BE would have had to be amazing to get any kind of following with how many other games were already out.
TF2 is a very casual game
Oh I remember this
Yahtzee from Zero Punctuation grilled it in that one E3 vid
If a game falls in the forest and no-one is around to hear it...
Best it can hope for is Nerdslayer finding its corpse.
I did initially like it and got some friends to play it. But was too many issues to overcome. The social feature used to inv was janky and joining random players was almost a immediate loss. Between the near constant stun\abilities and many moves having no counters available. Matches were often very one sided
😍 Nice and challenging game, 137 hours on record here, getting matches all the time on 7 hours gameplay sessions, little bit sad over recent announcement about developers dropping support, will continue playing until servers get down.
This is still my favorite series on youtube, period. I find I rewatch these quite often. Keep the hits coming my dude!
1:55 The reboot was so successful Capcom had to make DMC5 to recover from it.
If only sales matches feels
"We will free ourselves from the tripple-A machine by literally becoming part of the tripple-A machine!" That's some flawless logic right there -_-
Next you should do rocket arena I can’t be the only one who remembers that game
Isnt that discount paladins? Well...discount as it looks literally like paladins, but when released, it had a full price tag + season pass
It was on Games With Gold once, I guess
@@rodrigoaugusto2912 That's the saddest part about this series. Most of the games are actually great, but down the road someone did a mistake or didn't do anything at all.
@@rodrigoaugusto2912 Yeah I got it for free from Twitch Prime, played it quite a bit. It's a fun game but in terms of content I wouldn't have payed more than 10$ for this. EA charged 30$ and included a paid Season Pass and skin microtransactions, that's just way too much for what was delivered.
@@sheshin It's not like Paladins at all. Paladins is comparable to Overwatch, Rocket Arena comes closer to Brawl Busters or Microvolts, just that it's with more rockets and primarly aerial movement.
I remembered playing this game and saying “Why does this game look like an Xbox 360 game from 2013”. It also lagged so much and I have really good internet and used a LAN cable.
Played a whole lot of this game, starting with the beta in Feb 2020. Amazing game with, in my opinion, some really interesting designs. Some were generic but the ones like Mekko, a dolphin controlling a mech, and Azreal, an angel who has a team wide teleport, were so good. This game definitely suffered from the fact that they are charging people for a game that they are unsure about. Marketing was also a really big factor, you saw almost nothing for it. I always want to go back and play it but havent since they announced stopping development :(
I loved this game when I tried it. I deleted it immediately thereafter because I didn’t want to fall in love with a game that was already dead. If it was free to play, was advertised, and launched with a ranked mode, it could have been massively successful throughout its content updates. The fact that it was a new IP definitely didn’t help either.
I remember when this games beat came out. I played for a couple hours one day, turned it off, and said to myself "yea this game is gonna fail"
I do note that "no ranked mode" gets called out as a cause of death, but the counterparts usually don't launch with it either - growing organic communities before splitting queue.
Love these videos, just a note that I think it's hard to cite these in most cases!
The Halo franchise has spoiled me then
It is physically impossible for Ninja Theory to make a game look good.
or play great.
What i think is mega important in these kind of games is visual clarity i dont want to play a competetive game where everything is so over the top that you dont know what is is happening anymore
I actually hated the character designs. Some of them were straight up gross looking, and others looked like a bad attempt at common stereotypes.
This game was actually really cool and fun! And all the characters were very interesting and well designed. It's sad it didn't get any recognition.
This one hurts... I liked this game so much. Since it's dead if you want a stellar soundtrack go look up Bleeding edges its fantastic!
The characters were really well designed it always makes me sad to see this kind of potential wasted
@@amuro9624 nothing seemed interesting what they have designed
@@Exel3nce oh OK thanks for correcting me. I thought I found it interesting but you're right I'm not interested in it. I needed you to tell me what I find interesting.
You should go to every youtuber who played the beta and expressed their interest in the design to inform them that they were wrong because you know what's appealing to them better than themselves
@@amuro9624 its just how it is, be mad at the people who made and not someone is is simply pointing it out
@@Exel3nce you said nothing seemed interesting. So that's your own opinion. Don't act like it's a fact cause some people did find it interesting or the number of players at launch would have been 0.
So as a big DMC series fan I do feel a need to correct some errors, first off you’re totally correct that the vitriol against the game was mostly based around perception issues, it wasn’t quite as simple as JUST that it wasn’t the same guy, that was just the initial hesitation most people had. It basically came down to the overall handling being perceived without any respect or care for the original series, things like taking the original Dante character and making him into a character that couldn’t be further from that personality wise, as well as just a lot of rewriting of background lore and world stuff that felt pointless and people also just didn’t care for. One of the bigger things though is an interview coming out with one of the higher ups heading the project talking about the DMC fans being vocal about not being excited for the reboot and said something that came off incredibly rude and disparaging about “not carring whether the game sold 2 million or 200,000 as long as it’s the way we want to make it.” I remember people really hitting their boiling point at that point.
Fuck that rambled, but point was it was a bit more complex, a lot of people felt like the reboot spit in the eye of the original series that people were really attached too, so they went a little nuts.
Now another point is talking about The DMC reboot sales number, it didn’t sell poorly, but the series as a whole consistently sold more with each release and the DMC Reboot is the only game that sold worse than the previous entry. DMC4 sold better than the reboot did which was a first for the series, so yeah it didn’t flop, but it wasn’t a success as far as rebooting a series to try and boost sales
Someone actually mentioned Tekkonkinkreet my life is complete
it’s such an underrated film for real
Played this game when it released and still think about it, the game had so much potential, devs should have just sold it instead of letting it die.
I keep forgetting this game actually released that when the news came out they were dropping support I thought it was being cancelled.
And dont updated over 7 months
Hey. Rewarding and encouraging recurrent viewers with phrases like "you veteran detectives" is a great idea, I'm a teacher and these are the things that keep your audience engaged and coming back. Good video like always.
I expected this video since before the release when they made it clear they didn't want it to be competitive and most people who played the beta were saying teamwork is so important you don't feel like you have an impact by yourself.
Any game with a competition attached to it like all PvP games along with some PvE games like World of Warcraft guild raids will ALWAYS need a ranking system. Especially now, in our current environment where participation trophies are award like candy, a ranking system is a big key to any hero shooter genre. People want to be recognized for their hard work in honing their skills in the game or their choice. It is that simple.
I’m not gonna lie, I thought this game hadn’t even released yet
I love these series, I think its a shame that alot of these games' characters and lore all go to waste after these games are dead. I just think of Gigantic, and now this game. The characters where cool looking and I definitely remember seeing this game and going : That looks cool! ...But not for $30....
Anyways, great vid! Keep up the work!
Wait, the DMC reboot was received well be fans? I thought the DMC reboot was a jokes among fans and a black mark on the DMC name.
Maybe I have a sampling bias
I actually think that's a vocal minority saying it was the worst thing ever
@@pandosham The Definitive Edition is not the worst, it's quite a decent action game, but not a good DMC game. The original is just terrible and almost killed the series. Most fans of the series will agree with this, if you want to check, ask on the dmc subreddit.
Ignore the sperg nerds. Ask actual people not so caught up with REEEEE #NOTMYDANTE #DINO #DONTE and they'll tell you it had very solid combat.
Someone more into DMC than I am said he places it right below 4 as his favorite and above 3.
@@mcnichoj18 lol
A couple of days ago i was browsing the game pass games and i found this, i immediately thought "Another Overwatch clone born already dead" i wasn't wrong
I was looking forward to this game from its trailer some time ago, lost track of it and now it's already dead, huh
I was actually pumped for this game when it was announced, and then never even realised it was released
I've never even heard of this game before. A shame, it looked kind of fun.
Bleeding Edge: "Something's definitely Bleeding"
>Sucessfull reboot of DMC.
I don't know about that chief.
Wouldn't call a reboot that got tossed asside in favor of the previous canon and which sold less than most of the previous titles, and way less than the subsequent title, "succesfull".
Hell, Capcom even went as far as to released another version of DmC that effectively reverted most of the things Ninja Theory did in the game, like putting back the lock-on feature, reintroducing allusions to previous games and fixing their bad encounter design.
This video is 2 years old and watching it now I am just learning this game actually came out. I thought it was in beta once and then cancelled.