STAKEKNIFE, THE IRA's NUTTING SQUAD & MORE| Interview with ex-IRA member & author Richard O' Rawe
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 มิ.ย. 2024
- Richard O' Rawe's new book "Stakeknife's Dirty War: The Inside Story of Scappaticci, the IRA's Nutting Squad and the British Spooks Who Ran the War" offers the most comprehensive and in-depth look into the life and crimes of Freddie Scappaticci, better known as agent "Stakenife".
I spoke to Richard about Scap's rise through the ranks in the IRA, how he once would have seemed the least-likely of republican men to be an informer and how the internal security unit aka "the nutting squad" was ran with Stakeknife at it's helm. Richard tells us about the putting-together of such a detailed book and the many rumors that surround Freddie Scappaticci.
Richard also shared his insight into what former-IRA men think about the accusations of informing leveled against Martin McGuinness, whether Scappaticci was the only spy in the ISU and if the upper-echelons of British govt knew about Stakeknife and his activities.
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Putting together the book & who was Freddie Scappaticci
06:05 When Scappaticci and Ricky joined the IRA & Scappaticci’s rise through the ranks
09:45 Scappaticci once looked very unlikely to have been an informer/agent
11:05 Difference between an agent and an informer
12:50 WHO WERE “THE NUTTING SQUAD” ??
18:05 Michael Kearney’s m*rder
19:40 WAS SCAP THE ONLY AGENT/INFORMER WITHIN THE NUTTING SQUAD?
22:05 British Intel sacrificing lesser-informers to protect a higher-up agent
25:20 HOW FAR UP DID KNOWLEDGE OF STAKENIFE GO ?
26:55 Was Steaknife the UK government’s highest-ranking informant?
35:15 Was Scap rich by the end?
37:50 Scap’s mental health and p*rn-habit?
50:10 How was Steaknife recruited by the British Govt ?
53:30 Torture by the ISU
55:00 Motivations for writing the book
1:08:55 IS SCAP REALLY DEAD? & thoughts on Operation Kenova
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Putting together the book & who was Freddie Scappaticci
06:05 When Scappaticci and Ricky joined the IRA & Scappaticci’s rise through the ranks
09:45 Scappaticci once looked very unlikely to have been an informer/agent
11:05 Difference between an agent and an informer
12:50 WHO WERE “THE NUTTING SQUAD” ??
18:05 Michael Kearney’s m*rder
19:40 WAS SCAP THE ONLY AGENT/INFORMER WITHIN THE NUTTING SQUAD?
22:05 British Intel sacrificing lesser-informers to protect a higher-up agent
25:20 HOW FAR UP DID KNOWLEDGE OF STAKENIFE GO ?
26:55 Was Steaknife the UK government’s highest-ranking informant?
35:15 Was Scap rich by the end?
37:50 Scap’s mental health and p*rn-habit?
50:10 How was Steaknife recruited by the British Govt ?
53:30 Torture by the ISU
55:00 Motivations for writing the book
1:08:55 IS SCAP REALLY DEAD? & thoughts on Operation Kenova
I know a man who escaped Scap, after his experience he was convinced the nutting squad was compromised, and was taking out successful operators.
I have heard that too.
The BBC documentary "The Spy who Got way with Murder" (also on TH-cam, a must-watch) included amazing testimony from an informer/agent who was caught by the SK-uad and who knew Scap from the British side. Scap basically told him, one-on-one "we both know each other, so you are going down the elevator that descends into Hell!" - he could not afford to have the guy live since he might blow his cover...
But he left the house where the man was being held captive and an hour or two later the British police raided the place and freed the man. The guy told his handlers at FRU about Scap's death threat to him, but he noticed later that this particular point had been dropped - he was seen as completely expendable compared to Freddie.
Great book Richard O’Rawe and we’ve still got a lot more to come out about the nutting squad
Always more questions than answers , Troubles here were horrendous
McGuiness - the fisherman was the highest they had
To disperse the sheep you take out the shepherd
@@davidsands927fisher's of men, nothing to do with sheep lol
@@mo6278the fisherman was àdams mcguiness was agent j117 or something like that
The Brit agents in PIRA haven’t gone away, y’ know. Sinn Fein is full of them.
The IRA tasked Scap with finding and killing the high-level Mole - but the Mole was HIMSELF! 😄
Not only scap but the entire nutting squad were touts
God bless Brendan Hughes.He was one you could trust.Brought his concerns to Adams and was told by Adams he was paranoid.But.....Hughes was right.What does that make Adams.
Thanks for sharing great interview the chaps very good
Have not read the book yet but Intend to get my hands on it. The next big question is how many cops, UDR and army and ordinary civvies were allowed to die to protect informers/agents in the various organisations.
SEAMUS KEARNEY CLIP (referenced 18:05)
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As an Irish Catholic American I'm disgusted by all of this!!
We believed it was wrong v.right
30 wasted yrs and lived😢
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Another American who thinks he's irish cos his great great great granny had a shamrock ☘ tattoo on her arse !!! Stick to àmerica and all the problems you have over there
You believed blowing up innocent people was right !!! Women and kids , did you think 9/11 was right , weren't they fighting american imperialism ? No what about Tim mcveie the oklahoma bombing ? Wasn't he fighting against the Zionist Ocupation Goverment ? , or is it just innocent people in Britain and Ireland that you enjoy seeing being blown to bits 🤔
Looking forward to this I enjoyed the book
What book(s) do you suggest reading to get a general overview of the Irish history beginning around the easter rising in 1916 ? There are many books regarding the topic / era from 1916 until the end of the 1950s and I'd be glad to get some advice what books to start with.
( I read books like ' Don't say nothing ' , ' Voices from the grave ' , Blanket men ' , ' Provos: The I.R.A. and Sinn Fein ' but like I already mentioned, nothing that specifically covers the era from 1916 on until the end of the 1950s. )
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Thanks for all the really interesting podcasts/videos.
Please keep up the great work...
greetings from over the big pond out of Germany. ✌
Micheal.collins..the dirty war..lethal allies...seamus Kearny.s book..
The trigger men also a great read
@@Irishmush Thank you very much !✌🏽👍🏽
@@Irishmush as is Seamus Kearneys book no greater love
Ernie o Malleys 2 books called 'the singing flame' and 'in another mans wound' . One or more was written while in exile in south America. Two great books
Really interesting interview, would be good to have subtitles though.
😂😂
You can turn on subtitles on the settings at the bottom of screen.
What, I'm Australian and can understand them fine!
Haven't time to watch this now but will do as soon as I get home tonight , keep up the great work , a guy I knew back then same age same area was shot back in the 1990 and no one even knew for what and still don't know. It smelled and still does
if all operations had to be cleared by northern command , hench mc guiness who then tasked it to the nutting squad, hench scappatici who supposedly knew everything about all operation , then how did so many operation be successfull through out those years ? , the tcg must have allowed a lot of soldiers and ruc men get killed if scap was their golden egg fs
Rumour has it the FRU had a few agents working within GHQ and eventually by the mid 1990's on the Army Council itself. Who knows the truth? They obviously had a few well placed in Northern Command and at least a few in GHQ- but how far and deep did it really go?
@thetruth7386 it's interesting that this only came out in the 90s. No one has confirmed anything and there is an RUC and FRU connection but like yourself no idea.
Cos the brits played the long game , they had the people they could do business with like Adams and mcguiness , doves 🕊 hawks like ivor Bell were taken out of the equation , remember when Churchill could of saved coventry cos the brits had broken the enigma code but coventry got flattened cos if they hadn't the Germans would of know that their code had been broken same thing they just played the long game
Great interview. Great guest. Better sound needed. Probably subtitles. His accent gets distorted with the audio.
The British had PIRA in their pocket since the mid-1970's. From the very top down. The footsoldiers paid the price.
His mother was a good woman and a genuine republican I'm glad she never lived to hear the truth about him.
Yes totally agree, he had a free card. Great book. and thank you for standing for Ireland.
Need to educate our people about what's going on in the South. Really, I don't want sinners to be dragging our people to more heartache. Suzy will know me
Tim Pat Coogan? Thoughts, Opinions?
Mcguinness-was the deepest most protected agent of them all...."agent Fisherman"...
Does not fly here remain vigilant of British propaganda 🇮🇪32
@@johnkennedy972 it's well known now....he's even thought to have set up the Loughall team....not everything is propaganda
where is the evidence?@@billyhawkins29
I’m deeply unhappy that Ricky O’Rawe who gave up on the Republican movement, is spreading the conspiracy theory that Martin McGuiness was a tout. He was a negotiator and started negotiating early with the goal of getting as much as he could from the Brits.
@@billyhawkins29 loughall and Gibraltar were scap definitely I think personally listening to the brits saying this scap had high grade info etc watch and listen to them talk about Scappitici
His brother was our ice cream man in Dublin
23:40 HMG wouldn't authorize its intelligence agents to commit murder, it would be made crystal clear to any agent it was running that murder would be liable to full prosecution under the law from which the state could offer no protection. If that agent then went on to do it, it was up to them knowing what the score was. If HMG received intelligence of a murder being planned with specific information it would seek to interdict it using the police. There were many grey areas in the intelligence war but there were some clear lines that weren't crossed, & this was one of them, to do so would have been a criminal act by the Crown officers themselves as accomplices to murder. If Scappaticci was killing people whilst a British intelligence agent he wasn't doing it under orders from the Crown, & I doubt v. much he was telling it about it afterwards either. He wasn't a Crown soldier or policeman acting under direct orders, he was a paramilitary turncoat, who engaged with the Crown on terms of his own choosing, as & when he wished to, & told it what he wanted it to know to & when.
Excellent post, I couldn't agree more and that's based on considerable personal experience from 1974 to 1991. As I never tire of telling people, if the decision to commit extra-judicial murder had been taken at some senior military or political level, then the Republican Plot at Milltown Cemetery would have been greatly extended and many well-known Republicans today would be in it. .
@@paddy864 SF are now trying to sanitize their bloody murder record with a "collusion" mythology, even to the degree of blaming the Crown for the actions of their own internal terror squad!!! It's ludicrous. - Happy New Year btw, mate.
You are very naïve, if you think that is the case. Peter Keeley was "allegedly" involved in the murder of two police officers. And he is being protected. Robin Jackson and Billy Wright were involved in scores of murders, both agents.
@@dowdallerno1you're missing his point they commited them murders on their own , they weren't ordered to cos they weren't undercover british soldiers or agents they were paramilitaries with their own agendas
@@Smokemeakipper41 are you for real? they were given names and addresses by their handlers, Jackson was given a bomb. Peter Keeley was a serving as a British Soldier when he was recruited as an agent.
Ten-Thirty-Three: The Inside Story of Britain's Secret Killing Machine in Northern Ireland by Nicholas Davies is a good read that things in there don't get talked about enough, especially the Bloody Sunday bit where they were waiting for someone called Marty to fire a machine gun to kick it all off but the shots never came. He never knew who Marty was but I think he suspected it was McGuinness as he was in charge of the Ford Cortina which had the weapons in the boot.
Anyone know the huge agent very high in the Ra. They call him familiar face
That’s scap
@@gerardhenry5501 nobe hasn't been outtad yet. Wee Gerry I wonder. It's someone big. Big Bobby storeys intelligence network broke into the command room for informers. They took the codename and real name book and people of interest book. Bobby when asked how come IRA didn't act on the intelligence and kill the informers he replied do you want us to kill everybody
you should do a podcast with Richards wife .Very informant fom the wifes mothers @gilfriends of the prisoners.Also should do one on those that did time @ were inocent
McGuiness and adams were both touts that’s why they were never taken out
Adams was shot 8 times🤣
Aul Gerry wasn't in the ra sure 😂
@@dowdallerno1 3 times he survived he wouldn’t survive 8 wise up
They were not informers they were part of the negotiations team who met the British high rank people pms etc
@@johnkennedy972 is that your professional opinion?
I am friends with freds son Anthony, who is a lovely man with a beautiful family.
Sins of our fathers should be left with them an nobody should hold any ill will towards stakeknife family its not there fault can't pick your family
So if you know the son is the Da actually dead?
Did the ira torture family members of Martin mc gartland and why give scaps family a pass .
I Can't Believe He Said the IRA Had " Human Rights ' ...
@@gerardhenry5501no
Very nice great fella. Ye his da was an evil bast£d
term “informant” means any individual who furnishes information to an intelligence agency in the course of a confidential relationship protecting the identity of such individual from public disclosure.
“For financial gain “
@@allanthorpe7139 not always.
Soo many touts👍
They are all experts.......after the fact!
Opinions on the stickies ? An organisation rarely spoken about except for the ‘ lost revolution’
Counter revolutionaries.
They attempted to wipe out the Provos and later on the IRSM. Failed at both endeavours.
Im sure the Provisionals and the IRSM had suspicions that they supplied the British with information regarding their enemies.
The Provisionals themselves have obviously gone onto become in their own back yard the eyes and ears of the British state.
Garland called the Provos "Catholic holy joes" didnt he, as far as i can recall. Not really far wrong on that really. He also pointed out that within the Provos their exists a defenderist mentality of "our tribe". And certainly within aspects of how some Shinners talk, that appears to be true.
And some people might think the crying game was made up just out of thin air 😂.
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Great Podcast. The Joe Fenton issue has annoyed me for years.
Why
The biggest question to come out of this interview was why were the IRA protecting scap
Alot of secrets are in the grave .
@@paddyt4043 that seems to be the only logical explanation
To protect sell out moles higher up the ranks. They and his handlers were afraid he would bring the whole ship down, you look after us and we look after you. Their crown handlers penetrated and played them expertly to sow paranoia amongst the volunteers, destroyed their morale and the armed struggle.
@@Ultra250 not all man ffs ,it was divide and conquer....mi6 at its peak.yea alot of touts but Not all....did you not listen to a word the man said 🤦
@@Ultra250 every single organisation was riddled from top to bottom
Seems he did quite a good job, all things considered.
Question ,who stopped his exit . Shouth Armagh stud alone
When the story broke that he was Stakeknife a former British intel guy came out and said he was about the 6th of in importance as informers. If O'Callaghan was up there, Donaldson, then who else are/were higher up than him?
O Callaghan was a spoofer, it wasn't him, the guy that RIcky refers to, in Belfast, is one of the big fish. He was tampering with bombs etc, Adams bodyguard was also a rat.
@@dowdallerno1Sean O'Callghan had been tippled to by IRA in prison in England and through watching he was able to thwart a helicopter escape of IRA, not with having any knowledge, as he was being shunned due to the suspicion on him, but by observing and realizing something was up. He informed and they discovered explosives and a weapon that would have been another spectacular helicopter escape.
That may have been the case, but in my opinion he exaggerated his role in the PIRA, some of his claims were proven to be works of fantasy and have been proven as lies. That doesnt mean everything he said was bs, but I would very skeptical about him. @@stuartstein7495
@@stuartstein7495 if you believe that , you'd believe anything. Fantasist of the highest order. Look up about his house sitting escapades for Ruth Dudley Edwards. The guy was unhinged.
Adams , mcguiness, morrison , Donaldson, Adams 's personel driver Joe cahill take your pick
I don't no about Adams but it's people had concerns over mac Guinness
How he get away
This is not the Republic of,James Connolly. We have lost it all
Adams, what about the time the Loyalists had a magnetic mine to attach to the top of his Taxi and the intelligence got the Loyalists to show them the mine, and it was very well made. The intel people were determined to prevent the attack on him and ended up coming up with a plan to flood the area with RUC and more and the Loyalists who were ready to do it turned to do it pulled out because of all the RUC etc. I reckon they would have killed the Loyalists, had they tried to plant it. They were also obviously informants. They were protecting Adams and McGuinness saying it was for the peace process but Adams' father and brother were incestuous beasts so that would have been very damaging to his position had that info been released at the time. A lot of info was taken when they seized the Boston and Queens Universities stuff they had built up that would not be published until after those who told their stories were dead. The Brits would have been able to retrieve all that covertly copying it but I think there was stuff they had that was far too sensitive.
Surely at this stage we could be honest , the first person killed was Protestant civilian Herbert Roy , shot by an Ira gunman in Dover st. Indeed the Ira openly admit they were using guns , including automatic weapons . You would have more credibility Richard if you stuck to facts.
Does it matter who killed who first? According to various reports ive read over the years, it was the UVF that made the first threats and did the first shootings and bombings and then tried to blame the explosions on the IRA.
The UVF issued a statement in May of 1966, a declaration of war against the IRA. They carried out attacks on civilians murdering Matilda Gould, JP Scullion and Peter Ward. For many this was the start of the troubles.
Matilda Gould, a Protestant woman, died when UVF tried to firebomb the Catholic-owned pub beside her house but accidentally struck her home.
So yes, the first victim of the troubles was a Protestant, but she was killed by loyalists, not republicans.
@@GerryAds the Ira were murdering and bombing in the 1956 to 1963 campaign, they were murdering in the 1940,s campaign , depends on our start date..
The brits gave everyone a using
Ricky is good but some of his dates are wrong. Sandy Lynch was abducted in January 1990 and it was from then that Scap went south not 1989.
In the end, the Brits were thwarting or causing the thwarting in 9 out of 10 planned attacks so with all that going through Northern Command, makes sense how they were able to do it.
Stakeknife” Freddie Scappaticci - IRA informer
While working as the IRA's chief spy catcher, “Stakeknife” was, in fact, feeding information to the British Army, overseeing the murder of informants within the Republican movement while also working with British security forces
My understanding is that Scap's "Nutter Squad" killed not just people who were active within the PIRA and supposed to have been turned informers, but they would target anyone they thought was providing info to the Brits. They reasoned that all non-British, non-Protestant people in NI owed allegiance to Ireland and therefore had tp be "corrected" or punished if they did stuff that didn't please the IRA.
i think that marine could be US intelligence
Absolute astounding hypocrisy .
Can you point out where Richard is being hypocritical? Turning up and simply stating he's a hypocrite doesnt quite cut it im afraid
I can't say I feel any admiration for the PIRA either, they were shamelessly targeting civilians, even women and children, lots of people who had nothing to do with the conflict
@ste 197 raystephens1142 says, he'll come among ya.
Lives
No chance that McGuinness was an informer 😂.
Just militarily incompetent
I'll fight any man so I will
A traitor dies a lonely death every day
Cold comfort
He lived out his old age in a suburb south of London, protected by the British state and covered in a cloak of silence.
Wot was he arrested in England for . Alot of untouchables. An alot paid for .
Shame the pod caster isnt the best, reckons he is more nolagble than most, Excuse spelling.
Knowing is knowledgeable 😂
It's always funny when an ex terrorist talks about peoples human rights and calls other people murderers.😂
So much of this is just hear say really
Many people he killed weren't PIRA.
Yes exactly, they were sometimes kind of the PIRA's Cheka. They reasoned that any Irish people who didn't openly identify with the British (effectively any non-Protestants) owed allegiance to the Republic of Ireland, and therefore to the IRA, even when they didn't recognize that themselves. "If you talk with the British army or any of their contacts, then you're dead"
Stopped listening at “they were shooting at us…”
You were as bad as each other, regardless of your views.
When 2 young lads were slaughtered outside of a McDonalds in Warrington. Enough.
And yet , here you are. On Warrington, the Netflix documentary, The puppet master, refers to the protagonist and , supposedly, bogus MI5 agent fleeing Warrington, on the same day as that awful carnage. Coincidence? The odds would be incalculable. Think on.
I think we could all find something to assuage guilt if we look hard enough. Think on.
@@raystephens1142 The story of the conflict is replete with instances of , not only civilians, but members of the security services , judiciary, senior political figures, even arguably , Mountbatten all of whom were either, sacrificed, forsaken, gotten rid of , or gambled away for the sake of political expediency.
From a young female police officer, pulled , abruptly from her normal desk duties and sent to the scene of an ambush involving newly acquired technology which PIRA were using just two weeks shy of her wedding day , an attack on RUC personnel botched by republicans in which two catholic nuns died days before an election, the tragic ends received by the two corprals coming as the world's media gathered in west Belfast too etc , can you tell the common denominator. In the first of the instances listed, only decades later was it realised that a high level informant/agent had been behind that attack in Newry. Countless instances of bombs/ weapons having been doctored, spiked , jarked or even remotely detonated, not you should understand to preserve life , but rather in furtherance of the political goals of the British establishment.
Ah it was on Netflix so it must be true hey? 🤣🤣@@jamesoneill2933
@@raystephens1142you must be English if your harping on about the Warrington bomb. You realise this was everyday in every town and city in Northern Ireland for 30 years. But every time an English man talks about the troubles it's the poor two young boys outside a McDonald's. Wise up
The next thing Richard will be reading Sunday mass fs.🤡😂
Spoofer!
After 10mins, I have to give up listening to this...... 🤮
3:45 seconds thanks 🇮🇪☘️🇮🇪
@@malkydow4359 It was a momentous day when the ira finally surrendered and accepted, butchering their own in the pursuit of a united Ireland was futile and only encouraging more like Jonny Adair to resist. Time to move on and heal the awful wounds left behind. 💙🙏
@@Pennyburn1688purdysburn are enjoying you Windsor framework and your lovely new border ?
@@Pennyburn1688Tuesday was a ,momentous, day.
@@Pennyburn1688📘just a little something for the border, don't be saying we never give you anything.
Hi love your podcasts, Did you ever hear of ARRON BRADY?
IMO Wrongly convicted of killing a garda!!
The shady evidence, dodgy witnesses etc would make a great podcast.
HIS father and his family have been fighting to overthrow the conviction
Brendan "The Dark" Hughes is a legend. He's in the long kesh pix along with Adams and Bobby Sands, how Gerry Adams can say he was not Commander in Chief is nuts, even Sean Stephenson, i cant spell his surname, and i apologise for that, said "put him infront of me, and let him deny it"
I'm a sympathiser, and kind of like Gerry Adams, and Mr Kelly (Maze escapee) shot gaurd in face diring the Breakout, but how is Stakeknife alive? Still being protected? Ofcourse! RIP Agent Stakeknife.
Sean O'Callaghan, sorry bout my spelling, PIRA engineer, but a Grass, maybe not an agent or an informer, but he was well positioned to give a phonecall. He'd managed to get a boat stopped in the sea on its way to Ireland, with volunteers and arms aboard. One was an American ex marine, thag all throughout his young adult life wanted to become a volunteer, and he did. He go i think 17 years for being on the boat, i think it was called something like "The Esther" could be wrong. Watch James English Podcast where he interviews the American volunteer, and he'll, tell you that story. Sean O'callaghan. Snitch/Tout/Grass/ Informer, but yeah an "agent" like Mcgartland, they get/got paid a wage. Fhough we know what happened to Mcgartland. Jumped out third floor window, for some unknown reason they didnt just go and drag him back up to ghe flat, to that bathroom baffles me to this day. They even sentva hit squad over to england, they found him, he took 7 9mm bullets, and hes still here somewhere. Though last time i saw it, hecwas all bearded jp and boarding a ferry from Stranraer to Ireland, hoping hed be forgiven? Never heard a word about him since. Maybe thats because "1 dead man cant talk" 52 men lived though. Fish food...
O'callaghan was found dead in a swimming pool in Jamaica 2019 I think.
20017 😊
Gerry Adams
30 million in his bank!
what a spoofer