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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ต.ค. 2022
- We've got one of the LARGEST engines that can possibly fit underneath the hood and between the strut towers of my Mustang! I have wanted to build one of these Ford Mod Motors for a very long time, but one of the challenges is that its over 30 inches wide, and will just barely fit in the mustang. But, Ford did it with their 2000 Mustang Cobra R, so I figured why not?
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I know you wanted to see the 8.1, but I've wanted to do a Turbo 5.4 4-valve for years, so I'm finally gonna do it!
Good luck spitting out spark plugs
More chains than brains lol
Save the 8.1 for something else or a backup for ugly truck I’m not a ford guy but the thought of a 5.4 turbo Navi engine in a mustang sounds a lot better than the 8.1
Hell yeah, DOHC FTW!!!!
I like this idea! definitely build the engine first!
Duuude, This looks like such a fun build! Thanks for taking us along on the ride.
I love oddball builds and I’ve always wanted to do this but on a 6.8L V10 just to see what you could actually get out of one with a little love.
They are a pain to swap. I put one in my 07 F-150 and the lack of aftermarket ECU support makes it a nightmare
I’d rather see a v-10 was hoping for that too. But fords suck in my opinion lol
@@jasonolmsted4147 I'm a Ford guy, but I'm happy to see content that isn't just another LS/Hellcat/Coyote/2JZ swap
@@KildalSMASH I agree different is good. Still wishing it was a v-10 lol 😂
I wanna do a v10 mod motor in my 01 cobra eventually
Waaaaaay more excited for this than a coyote. This will be great!
Lol y older 4v's are turds compared to a coyote 🤣
@@neilbrown82 ya 11.5:1 compression will always win compared to 9:1. It’s okay though, I used to know very little about how engines work too. 😉
@@tomcelica lol it's more than just compression ratio 🤣
@@tomcelica the 5.4 4v compared to the boss 6.2 and coyote is literally worse in every way
@@tomcelica not when boosted😂
Definitely option two, build the motor while you have it out really curious what you could make naturally aspirated before forced induction
420hp practically
Not many seem to make good N/A power, but they love boost !!
@@arkhsm most engines like boost with stronger internals
Depends . The static compression could get a good bump, use some high lift long duration cams, good set of headers, use a PI 4.6 intake with port matched adapters, a 72 mm throttle body , c&c the stock heads...should be really close to 500/500 on E85 .
You'd be better off using a non pi 4.6 with pi heads on it , c&c port/bowl/valve job , long 4 into 1 headers and a 125 HP kit of voodoo juice.
The most important thing on any non-terminator mod engine is to get rid of the flimsy powdered metal rods. If your tune is anything other than perfect you will regret keeping the stock rods.
@@robsorgdrager8477 out of a 5.4
Good call on the navigator motor build. Used to be a much more popular swap and i think it's a very capable powerplant. Hoping we can see 4 digit dyno numbers outta this some day!
I agree, I'd love to get it over 1,000. I know its been done countless times before, but nowadays the Coyote is the golden child for Ford, and the mod motors have been forgotten about
@@LawrenceTolman if i remember right, the stock crank in these is good for quite a bit of power. I'd love to see it go through the progression of each stage and see what it makes and how capable it is in each form. Will this be staying manual the whole way or eventually going auto when it makes big power?
@@LawrenceTolman people used to get insane power reliably out of these in the 2000s it definitely can be done
May want to reach out to Richard Holdenerd. He's built a couple Navi 5.4's and would have a lot of insight on what to improve and what to leave alone. The Navi is actually a great powerplant and realistically is just as capable as the coyote in a lot of ways but a lot more reliable. Less electronic parts and less mechanical parts such as cam phasers.
@@LawrenceTolman but the coyote is a modular Ford engine nobody's forgotten those older engines they just don't waste their time with them when something better is available not to mention the Godzilla is out now as well
Biggest downside is the iron block on the 5.4. The engine is super heavy and physically large for making such little power. Expensive to modify with nearly no aftermarket options. I really wanted to go this route with mine but it just didn’t add up for me.
the 5.4 lump weighs 190 lbs. The 4.6 at 153 lbs plus the 5.4 stroke is horrendous with the same bore which limits the valve size for such a larger displacement.
Go with option 2 now because it’s easier to work on it and upgrade the oil pump and timing set while it off the vehicle. I’ve built two 5.4 3v motors in frame and it was a nightmare when it came to the timing and cams. For good reference on build recipes check out Modular head shop they offer a 5.8l kit that’s good for 1200+ ponies, but like you said this could become your BOAT (break out another thousand).
Might be more than A Thousand. Maybe three because it's a mod motor.🤨
Timing was dead easy
Glad to see that you are sticking with a FoMoCo . Also excited to see this type of engine going into a stang...who would have ever thought that you can put a truck engine into a "compact" !
LT is my engine swap spirit animal. In the vast number of imaginary hot rod builds I’ve thought about this has been near the top of the list.
At first I was like.. Uh-oh, it's *another* Mustang build.. Then you said "maybe put the 8.1 in it. I was like, yeah it's unusual. Love it. But, now you're using a Ford engine I've not even thought twice about. Any you're gonna boost it? Thats a whole next level of unusual and I love it!
I hope your bucket list is long and every check box on it checked. It's sure fun to watch. Kudos...
Greetings from the farm in South Carolina!!
A frend of mine had a Stock Boss 290 in his Ford Falcon BA GT. Leaves a turbo Barra in dust as long as it has only a boost increase. However he fitted cams to it and it really livened up. This time cams and boost for the full express package. it will leave the truck in the dust. 🔥🔥🔥 I would like to say a step for yours is take it out of student drivers spec and fit a manual box.
thats cool to hear, I wish we got the Barra here to play with, but its also an engine on my bucket list.
The mod motor was also used in the Mercury Marauder too! An before you started on Trucks/Truck Tech they did a mod motor in a Mazda b series truck (rebadged Ford Ranger).
Super, super excited for the 5.4. I hope you keep it and go as far as you want. I’ve only seen these a few times and I can’t wait to see it this time.
truck tech used the modular setup in the ranger build.....it proved it was worthy of boost and worth the time to work with
yup, "Rolling Thunder" was one of my favorite builds they did!
This is going to be a great build and I get the budget thing but I (and I think other viewers will agree) go with option #2. You said that you have always wanted to build one so why not build it the way you want it and have some fun with it!! Lookin forward to seeing this one come together!!! Great video LT and your channel is awesome!!! :)
Excited to see the 5.4 swap, but would like to see a 7.3 Godzilla swap on the channel at some point too. Oh yeah, I vote build it now, option 2.
I think this is a great swap. I thought about the 6.2 sohc motor as a candidate as soon as I saw the thumbnail and would like to see someone do that as well. I’d also like to see the v10 swapped into something
Somebody has swapped the 6.8 V10 into a Crown Vic before. Ford Australia also built a prototype New Edge with it as well
Someone where I live put the 6.2 supercharged raptor engine In a crown vic and they twin turboed it, so compound boost. They go by "Boost and Bad Habits" on here.
ive always had a thing for the 4.6L aluminum blocks in the early aviators, thought that would be a perfect swap candidate.
Buddy of mine grabbed several of them from the junkyard, one is going in a Fairlane wagon
the teksid block is king. its been known to handle thousands of hp.
In an Aussie boss 260 with long tubes , herrod camshafts , boss 290 intake and full twin 2.5" exhaust with hi flow cats on a Falcon and went 350rwhp.
Before the camshafts with all those mods it made 300 at the wheel. I know you guys somehow get more HP for same mods and mile an hour than we do. With stock r exhaust manifolds and the possibly smaller cams from the Lincoln you'd be hard pushed to make over 280 here.
unless they're understated the Lincoln's have 300hp at 5000 rpm the 260 kw here is 350 HP at 5500 rpm.
Unsure if it's the camshafts or the intake manifold but you may have smaller sticks again then we did. The 290's had larger camshafts than the 260's again.
Interested to see how this goes with decent diff gears . We had the AOD box with 3.45's , car was more impressive 100 - 200 KMs than it was 0-100.
Awesome , I want to do this to my truck from a 4.6 2v single cab to 5.4 intech 32v It will be a less complicated vs a Coyote or LS swap. Some intake adapters from MMR with a coyote intake 🔥.
Please do a blue Cobra R clone with a 6 speed and turbocharged 5.4
thats kinda how its gonna turn out I think
Can’t wait to see the power numbers the 4 valve can make. Keep the content coming, one of my favorite channels.
Better for the long term to save the 8.1 for another truck (or SUV) build. However, you've got the potential of a nice "sleeper" Mustang that puts 900 hp to the pavement. The broke guy in me says go budget, but the motorhead in me says build it right. I've gotta say Option 2 is my vote, so I can live vicariously through your build. Keep up the great work!
This is going to be amazing. I honestly was not excited about the 8.1 in the mustang, but the 5.4 will be awesome. I always wondered why I haven’t seen that motor in more mustangs.
I didn't know this motor existed, but the Triton V10 came to mind when you were describing oddball Fords. Do option #2 but just gasket (and other maintenance items) and ring gap it, keep the internals the same.
Triton V10 is 414 cubic inch.
I like that you're swapping Ford(ish) in to Ford. I also like that you doing some 4V 4 cam stuff. Pushrods are great but rare these days.
Make sure you install cushions on the quarter panels, for crowd safety. 😂
Imagine someone taking that 1 of 300 engine and putting it in a non special vin car haha. The views it would have. Not worth destroying an icon though. This is gonna be a fun series
I've said it before and I'll say it again. You're channel never fails to produce awesome content. I watch every video and it's always badass.
Hey thanks a ton! I genuinely appreciate that
@@LawrenceTolman you're very welcome bud. Excited for what's to come with your new edge.
Awesome! I hear the cylinder heads flow very well. I bet it makes great power. MMR does wonders with mod motors.
MMR has a horrible commercial reputation in the modular mustang world
@@sidsideways2828 many many regrets
You forgot the 07-14 GT500 engines, but those are still pretty expensive anyways. I had one of these motors and was going to swap it into my King Cobra, but the 4.6 4v was the tallest that would fit in that configuration. But I had swapped on the navigator heads to that 4.6, but the navigator heads are the most commonly sought after 4v heads (aside from the obvious supercar and cobra R heads). You could also do a GT500 intake/supercharger set up! Those are relatively cheap and make good power. Nice thing about the 5.4 is that you can respond the coils and use the factory harness and computer!
There are tons of good blower options for the 5.4 gt500s. I have a vmp gen3r on my 07 gt500 it's a torque monster and so is the 5.4 so they're a good pairing together. My gt500 did 740/733 to the wheels on 19 psi with a stock long block, long tubes, full exhaust and twin 69 tbody/jlt 123 intake. Tuned on 93/boostane (100 octane) it's a monster. It was over 700 tq at the tires from like 3000-5500 rpm which is crazy and it was still pulling over 600 tq at 6500 rpm. Saying it's an annual is an understatement lol. I also have 410 gears and 200 lbs weight reduction (it weighs about 3700 without me in it). 5.4 is badass i always loved em. Thinking about doing a high compression na 5.4 in my 97 cobra I'm fixing up.
I did this last year with a friend
intake options are a PITA (so glad you figured that out, didn’t think to look abroad)
Steering linkage is probably gonna have to be custom and most certainly moved (we just made our own)
Install the motor with the headers already on, it is nearly impossible to install with them once the motor is dropped in.
Some sensor is on the driver side instead of the passenger side forgot which one.
Besides that everything is pretty much plug and play
Damn I was waiting for a v10😂
Very disappointed on your engine pick. Especially after you had your viewers vote on it. I would love to see the 8.1 in a small car like that.
Too bad. His car, his engines, he can do what he wants. Buy your own mustang and swap an 8.1 into it.
5:30 is when he finally stops talking and works on it 😂 Love it though!
If you love oddball swaps, please consider putting a 3-53 or 4-53 Detroit diesel in something. You can rev them up to high RPM's and it'd be the only one on the planet in a sports car.
You know how heavy those things are?
Opt 1 keep the wallet closed
Why wasn’t option 1 on the poll??
Bro that’s trash
here in Australia we got two 5.4L for our Falcons from 2003-2010 the first was the triton V8 which made around 220kw (300hp) and 470nm of torque, the second one was the Boss line up of motors (not to be confused with the Boss engines of old) they were a 5.4L block with 4.6L heads and a unique to Australia intake manifold (a few guys from the states were actually getting in the Boss 260 intake as they breathed better than Ford US designs), the first guise were the Boss 260 for the XR8 Falcons and Boss 290 for the FPV Falcon GT the numbers represented their power 260kw 290kw around 350hp and 380hp respectively over time the Boss lineups gained more Boss 302 and Boss 315
the last of the 5.4s were the Boss 315 was in our FG model FPV Falcons from 2008 untill 2010 when the engine no longer met Euro IV Emission compliance, a comparison i currently have a 2016 S550 GT mustang and it makes 306kw from factory, our Falcon GT with a 5.4L in 2008 made more power and torque than the S550 Mustang GT untill the update 2018 model, Ford Australia then ended up supercharging the Coyote V8 in 2012 and renamed it the Miami V8 and it too made more power than the S550 coyote (as expected)
i owned untill about a month ago a 2008 BF Falcon XR8 which had the Boss 260 5.4 in it and it was an absolute cracker of a engine, strong mid range and top end power and torque but very lacking down low esp against the coyote, great choice of engine look forward to seeing further builds of the 5.4 a highly under-rated motor
thanks for the info! there's so much I Don't know about the australian spec cars, and there are so many differences between what you guys got and what we have in the states!
Hey LT, I admire you're not afraid to take a path less traveled......... Looks like a cool build. I hope to see the 5.4 in the stang as is and then pull it out and stuff it with the good parts and boost it when the budget allows.
5.4’s are junk
Lmao, only if not properly maintained like anything else
Played with plenty of mod motors over the years and the reliability is just not there. Small oiling holes and poorly designed timing chain system.
Nothing is “properly maintained”. Properly maintained is Fords scape goat 😂🤣🤣🤣
@@ratchetstrapgarage3609 The timing chain is not the problem they rarely go. The powdered metal gears are. Best to replace with billet gears
I did something similar when I had my 2000 GT. Used a 5.4 f150 block with flat tops and forged rods, ported 03 cobra heads and boss 260 intake off an aussie car with a navigator ecm and harness. If I could go back in time with what I invested, I would have just done an LS though. This was back in 2009 and I was stubborn about wanting to keep it a Ford.
Thank goodness you didn't put another bloody Chev in a sweet as FORD ! Good rods needed for boost and oil pump gears. You'll want new chains too. I live in NZ, and my next-door neighbor has a mint '07 Falcon XR8 with the Boss 260 (near 350hp). The Falcon GT had the Boss 290 (near 390hp). Later years had Boss 302 (405hp) and Boss 315 (422 hp) versions. I myself have a 2001 Falcon XR8 that has 220kw (295hp), from the engine the Boss series replaced in 2002....the old last of the pushrod 5 litre Windsors. These last all iron 302w's were all special hand-built engines, that kept up with the then-current Holden Commodore SS 5.6 litre all alloy LS 1 !!
P. S. you forgot the GT500s from '07 to 2012 !!
I am part of a mod motor group we have a guy that custom specs cams for around the same price as off the shelf cams. The cams are where a alot of power is to be had with the older 4v motors. I found a build once of a guy that big bore and added a little bit of stroke with 11.5 compression custom cams ported heads and a modified fr500c intake to fit the 5.4. I believe he was around 600rwhp
I’m stoked to see how it goes. I have been wanting to do something very similar. I have been wanting to do a 5.8 GT500 block and head swap into a new edge, keeping it naturally aspirated. The cost is prohibitive, but this could get close to same numbers.
Def excited to see this swap! Glad you decided to go this route instead of the other options
Not excited about the mustang build anymore I was looking forward to what it would take to stuff that 8.1 in there, but you do you and I'll keep watching
This is the swap we really wanted to see for the mustang
Wow! Great idea for a swap. I'm totally with you for oddball engine swaps.
I'm looking forward to seeing how this goes.
BTW, I don't think you can do it. LOL Just kidding, I know you can.
Gauntlet thrown. I dare you to pull this off!
I have my own oddball swap project and my friends and neighbors think I am nuts.
I'm doing a 1983 Nissan Patrol with a 1995 Gen II LT-1 from an Impala with a TH400/NP205 twin stick transfer case on 1-ton axles (D60 front and 14 bolt rear) with links and coil-overs.
Possibly the only one like it in the world.
Dare to be different!
You are gonna be pleasantly surprised on how boost wakes up the 5.4 you have there.the stock 04 cobras made north of 500 hp they were grossly underated from the factory. Richard Holdner has some great videos on these Ford mod motors which I'm sure you have already seen.I think you couldn't have chosen a better engine to swap looking forward to the build.
The stock Terminators did not make more than 500 hp. Did they make more than their rated horsepower, yes. Most cars make more than their estimated horsepower when you put them on a chassis dyno. But the Cobra wasn't making North of 500 bhp.
@@rdsimmonds True statement. A stock Terminator puts down about 360-390 at the wheels. But they make crazy hp when modded. The bottom end is almost indestructible.
@@donuthole7236 imho, they should've used the Teksid blocks for them. But that's me. They do accept mods very well, given the heads and forged rotating assembly.
@@rdsimmonds The Teksid block is the best aluminum mod motor block. For a street car I would take the 68 lb hit with the iron Romeo. Iron blocks are pretty tough. Ford sold a 5.0 iron version of the Teksid called the Boss block. I know cuz there is one sitting in my garage
@@donuthole7236 the Teksid block is actually the strongest of the 4.6L blocks. No reason to take the weight penalty. From my understanding, the Romeo iron block is actually weaker than either of the aluminum blocks. But regardless, the Teksid is definitely the strongest block you can use for a 4.6L
I remember reading about Birdman years ago in forums, as soon as you hinted about the intake from "down under", I knew right away. I too thought of this swap years ago but never did it. Would love to finally see that intake and with a turbo!
Excited to see mod motor content! Found you channel recently and have enjoyed the LS content, but I can't wait to see everything you do with this New Edge!
I feel like this channel needs to explore all of the heavy duty gas truck engine capabilities. 8.0 v10 ram 2500 engine, 6.8 v10 triton, etc. ECU I know would be probably most difficult part. EITHER WAY PLEASE SCATTER THE 8.1! - the guy that wants to see the big bang episode on this channel
Back in the 90s John Coletti stuffed a 10.0L big block in the SVT Boss Mustang and went up against Jon Moss with a 572ci Camaro. What a match up.
What a great choice for engines. Please follow the budget path and juggle multiple builds. I think this will give you some good results because there might be other things along the way that will need to be upgraded to realize the full potential of the build. Cant wait to see how much more adding boost will give you with stock bottom end, rebuilt heads, and some modded cams. I think I would have opted for the SHO motors with hella boost and maybe try for an AWD caged build. Looking forward to the outcome.
Love the build idea! Ive wanna do a weird one too where i take an sn95 mustang and drop a 4.2 v6 from the F150 with a standard transmission… ive heard they can make up to 350hp with a racy cam and higher compression but i think just bumping it up half way from that (275-280hp) with a standard transmission would be a lot of fun too especially with removing some of the limiters and a custom tune
I was really hoping it would’ve been a Fire Barra engine going in there. Good luck with the 5.4 4v.
Golf Course Applause for not going with another me too LSx, Coyote, Hemi, etc . . .
I wasn't expecting an exotic 4v variation but that's nice too. 🙂👍
Cool video. That engine in whole job. You should do some small job on the the channel. I bet you have viewers nearby with everything already purchased sitting in their garage. Example tune ups, aftermarket ground effects, lips, spoilers, paint, chairs, super chargers, lowering kits, body kits, hoods & hood scoops, functional scoops, muffler kits, etc. This way you quick videos & a lot of content
I myself always some aftermarket stuff, badges, grills, accessories, wheels, tires, seats, etc.. & take 6 months to a year to get around to it.. & so do a lot of people. It’s easy free content if you get your community to bring in cars locally.
Look into porting the exhaust side of the heads. If I remember correctly, on the navigator engine, the ports on the exhaust are a little on the small side and could benefit from porting. I could be wrong. It’s been years since I’ve looked into these engines. Also, The boss 290 manifold is awesome but if you ever wanted to experiment with coyote intake manifolds on that engine, I believe MMR makes adapters to put a coyote manifold on the 5.4.
The Cobra R heads flow the best followed by the 03/04 Cobra heads. The Navigator heads "not so much" but under boost it won't matter as much.
It’d be a really cool build to see it done NA. A little porting on those heads, a bump up in compression, a set of big 4V camshafts, your planned intake would be perfect, and a good exhaust. It’s a build for a Foxbody I’d have liked to play with if I had the space to expand my fleet, time to keep building around my family and work, and money to do these sort of builds. As it is, 2 hotrods, 1 mild 1 wild, is all I can manage. Build it because everything else you mentioned has been done over and over again and there’s not a lot of variance in those mostly junkyard engine builds. I’ll also make my opinion known that doing just another turbo junkyard motor build will be less-than exciting. Make it tough. BTW the Coyote motors are 12:1(!!!) thanks to the DI fuel injection. The older gen I/II port injection engines were 11:1 though and trucks still got 10.5:1.
I like the idea of slapping it in there just to be sure that everything bolts up, just as proof of concept. It'll allow you to feel how it drives with that weight on the front and decide if you need front springs or can motor safely with what you have.
You'll also be able to hear and feel the engine and possibly detect any mechanical issues early, or determine that it can be run as-is for now.
But I also like the idea of a complete tear-down just because that's how CDO works. If you've forgotten, CDO is OCD alphabetized. ;>)
I always wanted to do this with a foxbody and irs
I was thinking more of a parts bin special 5.4L 4v but the navigator engine is easier being complete, when you can find them. gonna be a cool project, I like it.
Great direction to go. Can’t wait to see how much power you go for in this build.
Love this! These engine was such a cool and limited treasure from ford. Cool that they put them in Lincoln's, mach 1's, cobras, gt40's. It looks so good all cleaned up and under the hood of a Mustang. Will be cool and fun.
800 to 900 hp is fairly simple on a turbo 5.4 4v. The connecting rods and pistons would prove to be the weak point. Also I believe the intake you want was designed to go on a 5.4 with c heads, like an aviator or cobra. The navigator ports are a bit too big, but it can mostly be done.
I had no idea you had a TH-cam channel. I never missed any of your episodes when you were on Powernation and tonight one of your videos popped up in my feed and I said Holy smokes....that's LT!!!!! Loved this video and hope you choose option 2. Looking forward to seeing this build. New subscriber bud!
thanks for stopping by! And thanks for watching both there and now here!
I have a 5.4L Triton from a F-150 in my Grand Marquis. All I did was freshen it up and added some cams. It makes 350 whp. I am very happy with it.
Can’t wait to see this build. Glad you didn’t Chevy swap a ford.
Great swap option! Should be an interesting build, would be cool to see you go through it and beef up the internals, but it's going to be a rabbit hole
dude i love the ford mod motors, i really appreciate you building one.
I have always tried to tell people about the 5.4 InTec V8s. People just never wanted to accept their potential and didn't know what other cars they were used in. I had Ford dealership employees laugh at me after telling them it was used in the Cobra R and GT
My cousin put one of these in a 1972 F100 with the 4r75w trans and it runs good, it does have a carb manifold and full Msd control set up but still stock long block
Being a Ford guy, I am happy you are sticking with a Ford motor. So you have my interest. No LS for me!
I've *ALWAYS* loved a 460. I owned a few. The 5.4 is nice but the 4.6 is a stronger engine. Hence the Mercury Maurader 4.6 turbo. Hoo Wee!! 🎉
This looks awesome! I've watched some of your LS stuff, but I'm subbing because of this build! I would like to build another newedge Mustang (already have an 04 Cobra in the garage) but I've been going back and forth on if I should do a 5.4 4v with an Aussie intake or a Coyote. This will be cool to see.
Thanks for the sub, and hope you enjoy the mustang content! I just got my Aussie intake today, and it looks pretty amazing!
Hell yeah Brother!!! As a Ford guy, it was always my dream to stuff a Navigator engine in a Crown Vic. Great engine!!! And they sound AMAZING!!!
Nice choice.👌🏻
Thanks! And I agree, the Ford 4v stuff always sounds amazing to me
Honestly had this very build in my mind for a 2000s thunderbird. The Ford GT top end on the navigator bottom was my build idea. Power to wight is spot on for a five seat chassis. Thought it could be a perfect sleeper. At least 500hp and decent mph, with no inspection issues(smog). Then my son was born our fourth, so a third row became a necessity. We lucked out and ended up with a bush estate secret service yukon xl 8.1, huge and drinks like a fish but always starts and never gets stuck in maine snow lolol. How LT is planning to punch the 500-550hp to 900 I'll love to watch as the GT with the 5.4 didn't get all that much power. Of course the Ford GT is way lighter and ment for 200mph+ LaMans racing (24 hours+straight depending on individual race). So max power is is not end goal with the GT, control is, therefore lighter with less power. At any rate always wondered how it would pull next to a big block once properly built. Happy to watch, Good luck.
I’m currently doing the same, TRYING to stick with the “budget”😅 I’m hoping to have it together n runnin by spring ‘23. Have 3 “ponies” to choose from to stuff it in, then the other 2 will get the other engines currently in their sleeping bags, 5.0 “GT40” n my baby 408W! Like you I’ve got too many things going in the garages (and yard) and fighting a rare liver “C” word 3yrs now. Makes everyday a gift and sometimes a challenge so I’d go crazy if I didn’t have these projects to keep me from giving up. How did you manage to get the intake? I have the mmr intake plates n Boss 302 intake , was trying to keep from cutting the hood if I go with the 01 GT, the ‘97 was going to be turbo 3.8 but I have a 4.6 I thought about putting in it, Jasper reman # 3!
So far my to do list to the 5.4 is replace the oil pump, pan/pick up tube, put in a timing chain kit in, water pump, do the coolant tube mod on the back of the heads, port the intake adapters to match the heads, there’s a lot to take out! The intake has to be modified at the outside part of the intake at the injector bosses so it will fit between the heads ! Finding headers within the budget was a pain, was not using anything but long tubes, gain hp there! Using an auto so I’m sure a few light mods will be req 2 em. Pace setter 70-3229 for a 98 Cobra, got the cheapest ones, going to paint em after I get done w/mod em! Ceramic coat b nice but I may go twin turbo but right now I have a D2 n a P1 I’m thinking about…! This is as far as I’ve got , I was happy as hell to see someone else doing this too, n try to stay with the “budget” which goes gray after a few! Used parts are crazy, the intake cobra cams USED are impossible to find n the 03-04 5.4 dohc I have no idea if they would do anything but $1700 for only cams is a project killer for sure! Good luck n sorry , I can’t keep my msgs short, been tryin!
When I was building my 6.0 formy G8. My machine shop was telling me about the motor he does the heads for this other speed shop local. The speed shop had a 5.8 V8 from a F250 and sleeved it to get it down to 5.4 liters. It was running twins and made I think 1500 horsepower or more. This was roughly 5 years ago
I'm amazed how much love the ve commodore/g8 gets still
i know the 8.1 would have been pretty cool to see in the mustang, but this has me much more excited. I love the ford modular series .
Id prefer to see it as a series type build where you swap it and and run it and do a few mods here and their kind of like the ugly truck was done. it makes for more content and fun . What's the plan for the 2v ? is it going up for sale to fund the mustang build or is their a chance of it getting tossed in the Tacoma ?
no solid plans for the old 2v at the moment, a tacoma swap would be cool but its like 2,000 miles away at the moment
I manual swapped a Navigator when I lived in the United States. Part of the reason this engine is rated at 300 hp is because they only let it rev to 5500 rpm to keep the poor 4R100 safe.
Intake, exhaust, and a tune and I was pulling in the 365ish area at 6500 RPM. It's a ridiculously underrated engine.
I must ask. Where did you get your tune from? What intake did you use and what exhaust option did you go with?
@@IVenomousV I got a good deal on a Boss 290 intake manifold and I bought the Navi with a Flowmaster system already installed on it. I got Binary Editor from Core Tuning and did the tune myself which is pretty easy because I could use the 2000 Cobra R tune for reference on what numbers to change. I'm sure some headers and a better exhaust system would hit 400 no problem.
@@BuffMyRadius ok your the exact person I need to speak with. So I opted for the taller 5.0 Velocity stacked coyote intake manifold. As for the tuner. I opted for the TwEECer unit. BUT IM HEAVILY on the fence about getting the binary editor? Seeing that you did makes me want to. Thoughts?
Where the hell did you get a 2000 Cobra R tune from?
@@IVenomousV I decided to use BE with the Mongoose cable so the install would look stockish because I lived in California. (I actually got it through smog without issue) I also licensed ALL of the calibrations available in BE so I was able to look at the Navigator, Cobra R, and 4.6L Cobra tunes and figure out where to set things, which was great. I hit my A/F ratios almost perfectly on my first tune (went a bit rich down low and a bit lean at the top) so I didn't even need a wideband. Ran some corrections, bumped up the rev limiter to 6000, everything looked good, went to 6500, then to 7000(!!!). The top ended up rolling off so I ended up setting the redline at 6800, which is absolutely hilarious because the tach ends at 6500. I also didn't feel like immediately scattering a 200k mile Navi motor.
It's honestly a shame Ford didn't use the engine more and most of them are set up for low end torque in Navi's. They turn stupid RPM with no issue and it's frustrating watching that hp number start climbing like rocket then roll over as the engine runs out of room to breathe as it spins another 2000 rpm. Long tubes and a true dual system with an X-pipe and there's no way it wouldn't have made 400.
@@BuffMyRadius I can go on for days with you regarding why they should have used this motor more. Hands down agreed. At least in the mustang - you cannot open the valve covers thus breakdown becomes extremely hard.
Either way what’s the cost within Binary Editor to license each one of those calibrations? I might do the exact same thing.
You'll get people saying that this 5.4 is rubbish compared to a coyote, it's heavier & underpowered. While the latter is a good engine of course, it is a widely used one, and not as much of an original swap nowadays. Much like how GM's LS is used in everything as well (a good engine as well for sure, but used in a lot of things). So this is something different, not used as much. It's about what you want to do, and should not have to go the coyote route. Would be interesting to see how this goes, all the best on this project for you.
When you got out the hammer I had to laugh, I've been working on a f150 and I'm always telling the guys at the parts store that they don't make a hammer big enough to work on Ford's!
Gonna be a great build.
You should consider doing a 6.8 v10 build on something, there is almost no 6.8 content on the tube
While I was in high school a teacher of mine had an Acid green Falcon Boss 290 with an aftermarket shaker hood. Was a dream of mine to build one just like it. Glad to see you pursuing your dreams !
How close are these related to the iron 5.4s in the gt500?
Same family, but pretty sure the GT500 has different heads and of course the supercharger
I like the mod motor. I installed a vortech supercharger on my 2012 5.4 3V expedition. Side note, a supercharged expedition turns heads at Pikes Peak when everyone hears that blow off valve spitting out boost when idling down the mountain.
I was comparing measurements with other smallblocks and the 4.6 is bigger in dimensions than most small blocks out there, so you should have a good amount of room to work with... it is very long and very wide. That being said, I am swapping a Mustang 2 K member and independent front suspension into an 87 Chevy Sprint (1500lb Geo Metro daddy,) The car will only be around 2000lbs with a small block in it and I think the suspension will be way too stiff, so maybe a heavier big block is what's needed to make it ride right! You sir get a subscribe. I like the way you think and the way you got me thinking.
This great. Im Ford and general knowledge after and my buddy is a Chevy/ford combo guy. Ive tried to tell him for years how the mod motors are all interchangeable. How you can gwt any of them and they fit right in on any car that had one. Less the intake and maybe oil pan but the motor itself goes. He argues they are different motors all the time. They was youre using the Nav motor direct to cobra parts is just beautiful. Simple showing how I was right. Plus i have a Nav I want to gut and do something similar with the engine.
Almost finished putting one of these in my 06. Your making life a hell of a lot easier skipping the headers... what a nightmare that was. Good luck
make sure u replace the Tentioners with cast metal tentioners for your cam chains and guides and upgrade the oil pump to a higher volume oil pump
I always wanted to do this swap. It’s more bolt in than any other out there using factory parts . Boosted 5.4 make incredible power using stock parts. Stock crank easily handles over 1000hp. The heads flow good and have so much potential.
Sweet! I'm doing the same swap, shooting for 1200hp.
Mod motors sound wicked
Nothing feels better than getting out all of the exhausted manifold bolts without 1 breaking.
Cool engine choice. People have made plenty of power out of the lightnings with the same engine. Can’t wait to see the progress 👍
Lightning was a 2v sohv. This is a 4v
Great choice on the motor! My vote is build it boost it!