nick grew up to his 50s and ends up having 2 kids who end up being the kids in the beginning JWD when the lucus attack the farm and his wife is the mother talking to Ellie and Nick is with the children in the hosptal Roland Tempo is the marine from JW fallen kingdom that died and cause the indoraptor to ecscape by trying to collect the indos tooth.
@@Dmc1940 when you watch the Movie again the Raptors where never caught as they where always pack hunters and they stayed closer to the only place that the people could go for help so your theory is flawed in the fact that you said he blamed Nick Van Owen for the death of AJ
@@EarlBiggs if you watch the movie again you would see that AJ and the rest of the hunters were* running from the doe T. rex. When Roland went to shoot her in the head he realized his rifle had empty casings in it. If Owen hadn’t disarmed Roland’s rifle the hunters wouldn’t have been running from the Rex as Roland would have killed it. Thence they would not have panicked and ran into the long grass where the raptors were. So yea, nick was responsible for all their deaths. And Sara really for bringing the jacket with the baby Rex’s blood on it.
I like when characters who are supposed to be protagonists and characters who are supposed to be antagonists aren't entirely/at all protagonists and antagonists. Having grey areas to certain characters by making them not who they seem to be is what makes the overall story more interesting.
True. I never viewed Roland as an antagonist But I did see Nick as a protagonist Motive is key. And nicks motives were selfless and just. He didn't want dinosaur on the mainland. Roland's motivations were selfish he wanted to hunt a rex, whilst nick's actions exacerbated the situation, Roland and his obsession with hunting a rex is ultimately responsible for every death. Their situation is for the most part a result of him kidnapping the rex. Sure if nick hadn't destroyed the camp, (inadvertently perhaps) then they could've called for help but they wouldn't need help if they weren't on the run from the rex's.
I wouldn’t call Roland a villain. In fact I’d argue he was more heroic than the protagonists. He went to help Ian, Sarah and Nick even after they sabotaged his camp, he showed concern for Sarah when he thought she was injured, he didn’t want to tell Kelly one of his men went missing as to not scare her. He was actually a pretty good guy aside from wanting to hunt a T-Rex
Agreed. What’s crazy, is that even after he got what he wanted, he’s upset because his friend died. Even though he was pretty nasty with his actions, he does she genuine concern. Especially when Sarah accidentally got Dino blood on some brush, and Roland took notice, and asked Sarah if she was ok.
I think Roland after loosing his right hand man and best friend realised his prize ( Buck ) wasn’t worth it so washed his hands of everything and walked away
@@SlickNickBA Him & Sarah brought the infant to camp resulting in Eddie’s death. He also disarmed Roland which had the same Rex’s chase him down, kill people, & let the Hunters panic to Raptor territory.
Nick got more people killed then Roland did. Nick caused alot of deaths and same with the red head chick. They both are the real bad guys in that movie.
"I've spent enough time in the company of death" was such a great line. A man basically admitting that in his victory, he also lost, and wanted nothing more with the disaster.
The velociraptor attack in workers village was caused by Nick van Owen presence. Raptors literally sniffed him out and were looking for him - an easy prey. They probably remeber how easy it is to hunt humans.
It's not like he could help that. If Nick hadn't been in the village he wouldn't have been able to contact Ingen for help and everyone would have been killed anyway.
Oh the first half of this video is littered with mispronunciations and incorrect names/words. I enjoy the subject, but it gives me a shiver every time I hear something.
I've really come to HATE Nick and Sarah as time went on. They're both such idiots, who constantly keep getting other people killed. (Eddie's death is on them.) Heck, even when their team and InGen's team pair up for survival, they're both still doing dumb things that are getting everyone killed. (Nick taking out Roland's bullets and Sarah not disposing of her bloodied jacket.)
Remember, they released the dinosaurs, which killed people who were just doing their job, then owen took the bullets, which resulted in more deaths on the island and san diego.
"Just doing their job". Yeah, because the immoral and illegal as hell shit InGen and BioSyn did is totally justified because "I was just following orders!"
Ajay had them in his backpack, as they were a team of hunters. Tembo was the shooter and Ajay carried his reloads. Tembo's an experienced big game hunter, he wouldn't just bring 2 shells with him.
The first time seeing this movie when I was really young. Now that I'm older and can understand much more. I still never really liked Nick Van Owen. Always seemed like a hypocritical douche. Sure you can dislike Roland for being the "honor among hunting beasts" philisophical type. But I still can't stand Nick's self righteousness.
This is one of the few times someone’s acknowledged that nick is responsible for every death in this movie. Yes the ingen guys were there and made cartoony cruel so you feel okay when they die but some of them were just really excited scientists wanting to study dinosaurs. Nick is a psychopath that is fine with people dying. Eddie is the mvp of this movie dying horribly so the scum characters get to live
Both of them were really strong characters whom the film wouldn't be complete without, but Roland was my favorite by far. He clearly had an eithically questionable past, being an African big game hunter presumably for sport, but he was honest and frank about his motives, fearless, instinctive, and in the end he was revealed to have a clear moral compass to boot. Nick, on the other hand, either directly or indirectly caused nearly every casualty in the movie, and never showed any sense of responsibility whatsoever. Like Roland, he was brave in the face of danger (protecting Kelley) and frank about his motives (Greenpeace for the women, Isla Sorna for Hammond's paycheck), but he was also cocky, arrogant, and clearly felt a sense of moral superiority when it came to animal treatment. He didn't mention a peep of regret or remorse about Eddie Carr's death, which was a direct result of him saving them after Nick brought the baby Rex into their camp which lured the adults. The final "smoking gun" (pun partially intended) was him removing the bullets from Roland's cartridges. The whole San Diego incident, while 100% InGen and Peter Ludlow's fault, would've been averted had Roland killed the Rex rather than tranq it (Roland bears no fault for it awakening; as this was the decision of InGen vets who gave it an antidote to the tranquilizer). Bottom line, while Roland's actions (including his guidance of the group through the island to the radio station) saved a large number of the group, Nick's for the most part did the opposite. The only major things to Nick's credit were directly protecting Kelley during the Rex attack and later being the one to call in the evacuation. Otherwise he was pretty useless. To be fair, he was an entertaining and central character who added depth to the plot and played well off the other characters, but my opinion is just that the movie and other characters seemed to excuse the things he did which either created or exacerbated the conflicts in the film.
Given the circumstances, it’s not far off to have Ingen sue Nick for property damage, as well as man slaughter. So it’s possible he was just simply arrested, and is in jail. Still, he was a cool character, and while his fate is unknown, we at least know he escaped Site B.
I personaly despise nick, he was the reason eddie died, a lot of people from the hunting team got killed because of him, ian almost died bc of nick bringing the baby to the Caravan, and he also caused the death of civilians in the city. Truly a eco terrorist
Mine too. I just love the way he fired Dieter Stark by telling him straight to his face “that’s the last time I leave you in charge”, and the fact that you don’t even see his face but clearly it isn’t needed as his tone just conveys his disappointment. Dude had sass, even if he had a minor role compared to the other characters, which is a shame..
Van Owen's demise was immortalized in song: "Roland aimed his Thompson gun, he didn't say a word, But he blew Van Owen's body, from there to Johannesburg..." It was afterward Roalnd retired to his farm.
I love the dynamic these 2 have. Especially for an action movie. They are layered and have a begrudging respect for each other. Not just shouting. They actually talk and put across their points…. While being hunted
it was scary for Nick to bring the baby Rex to the trailer but he was doing what he thought was right and it's better than baby dying because he can't defend himself because of. His broken leg
I love your content man. The last movie really bummed me out with where it could have gone and the many plotlines they set up but went no where. Very very happy to see someone who still loves the movies.
Hi new to ur channel but love the content! Any way u can do a video on the other 3 islands? In lost world the boater taking them to the island mentions all 5 as the 5 islands of death but that's the only time I believe they're mentioned and nothing further said. There's probably nothing but the name leads me to believe there's something going on with the other 3
Bit late to this, but im enjoying the channel and all these videos. Very fascinating. What i would say about these two is it shows life isn't always black and white. Neither were bad guys, both were heros in their own right. Just from different points of view. Sometimes there isn't a wrong or a right, just a different point of view.
Steals his "shotgun" shells out of his elephant gun. :,D I love listening to non-Americans talk about guns. Back to what's important, great videos as always brother man and keep up the good work!!!
Everyone blames Nick as a bad guy but he really wasn't. Ajay did worn everyone not to go into the long grass cause he knew raptors were there but they didn’t listen so he removed his backpack in hopes Nick, Ian, Sarah, and Kelly would find it and they did. Then Nick went on ahead cause Ian hurt his leg but eventually Ian, Sarah, and Kelly caught up with him. As for Roland i never saw him really as a bad guy either since he helped Sarah, Ian, and Nick when they were on the side of the cliff and helped Kelly down from the craft thing above the trees. As well showed concern for Sarah thinking she was injured but it was just blood from the baby Rex
I just now realised the loose connection to the song “Roland the headless Thompson gunner” which tells the story of a man called Roland (Norways greatest son) who was fighting in the Congo war alongside another mercenary called Van Owen. Roland was so good that the CIA wanted him dead and hired Van Owen to kill him. Eventually Roland’s ghost catches up with Van Owen in a barroom in Mombasa drinking gin. Where he blew Van Owen’s body from here to Johannesburg. Could be loosely adapted to the characters from the movie.
I love your videos! Thanks for bringing this type of topics that apparently had easy answers, but ends in really hard investigations in the canon and in non canon media, just like Nedry's and Muldoon's videos.
Raptors did it there was a Scraped scene where a few Raptors went on the ship and killed everyone and jumped ship when they got close to land but they didn't want to make the movie longer then it was. But yeah raptors did it the t Rex's never left the cargo bay and I'm telling you the truth
@@Mikhail210 that answers so many questions. Always thought it was weak to suggest the t.rex ate everything but the arm of the dude holding the switch to the hatch and then somehow teleported back into the cargo bay
This is totally unrelated, but it just ocurred to me again while watching this video: Am I the only one that gets the impression that the T-Rex, when tilting its head sideways and looking curiously at something, actually looks like a bit like Dustin Hoffman? Look for example at 6:43 - 45.
Shadows you wanna know lamest plot twist that I found out what happened to both Nick and Roland the Jurassic Wikipedia Gon say "Nick was killed by the T-Rex after returning the Infant Rex back" and another thing to they said "Roland Tembo died in a helicopter crash on the way off of Isla Sorna like Wtf how would they die if they obviously went home after everything happened on Site B
CarmeloMurrayFisher145 Google just be sayin stuff that don't even make sense it's like they never watch movies they don't know the history the Theories What happened to the characters or non of that 🙄
Whatever happened to Roland and Nick is truly a mystery! I guess we'll truly never know what really happened to them! It's just one of the many mysteries of the Jurassic franchise! Another epic video from the amazing and incredible Shadows! Well done as always, my friend! Keep up the great work! You're the best! Edit: Can you please do a video about what happened to the body of Simon Masrani in Jurassic World?
The biggest problem is that a huge chunk of these characters arent in the book. I still enjoy the movie, but the book is far more complete and the movie took massive liberties while also having van owen be the only basis for the movies events. They literally used a protagonist and inadvertedly made him the actual antagonist; everyone who dies in the movie is his fault.
Tembo retired from being a bounty hunter & capturing dinos, moved to Boston, opened a flower shop, and started recruiting young guys around the neighborhood to carry out bank heists - until Batfleck gets tired of his threats & takes him out after a heist goes bad with Hawkeye. Nick Owen goes into hiding, gets setup for a crime he didn’t commit, gets thrown in jail & starts a Brawl in Cell Block 99.
Destroying ingen property qouldn't mean squat honestly, because Sarah helped him in that and nothing happened to her, and everybody in the team was in on it as well so there's no way they would only go after Nick
I'd like to point out those cut scenes were only cut from the DVD versions n on word. Cause I remember that in the VHS version that was a hell of a scene tho I will see j think they even left a few parts out on that to but still nice.
Would've loved seeing Nick back as an ecoterrorist rather than Claire and he might've helped the Jurassic World films be something better than what they were.
He was after a t Rex's and only wanted that but you forgot that there camp was taking out by nick when he let the 🦕 out. He probably had more bullets but his stuff got wrecked so only had the ones on him and he set up an ambush and didn't think or know others were on the island. So him thinking it's alright to only take a few shot since he was a big game hunter and probably a good one too. But the end is nick is a dick.
Some that REALLY pisses me off so much is when someone has watched a movie, heard the name said, and then go out and say that characters name wrong. you've heard how their name was said, Say it the same way!!!! Don't butcher it to your own liking.
Nick van owen was the best character in the lost world imo. Its a travesty what they did to my boy, but i understand, the studio execs would have been to confused in jurassic world with the main character being Owen then bringing back Nick Van Owen. They just dont have the brain power for that.
Welp Nick saves everyone... after relising the dinos and letting almost everyone in the island in a critical situation. It's kinda a redeeming ark for Nick as I see morally questionable his actions.
u should have mentioned that when Nick saved the dinosaurs that he is single handedly responsible for the deaths of so many innocent people including his friend
@@ShadowsLew you did lol, i just meant at that opening part, cause it was like u made him sound like a good guy when u first introduced him. good video as always
hello hey man can explain a plot hole from Jurassic Park that I could never find out the storyline when Ellie and Muldoon leave the bunker to go to the tyrannosaur pen they are wearing clean waterproof yellow rain jackets and they arrive at the t rex Penn when they get out of the jeep the raincoat on Ellie and Muldoon are covered in blood? what was supposed to happen between leaving the control bunker and arriving at the t rex Penn this has always annoyed me hoping you can give me a solid answer? thanks?
I never thought there was any ambiguity about what happened to the Van Owen and Tembo in the third act? Tembo outright says he wants nothing more to do with them, and I think it’s just a given that Nick’s part in the story is over after they returned
Guys hear me out, Nick was the one being hired to sabotage and free the dinos when Ingen step foot on the island do you think Nick was the one who freed some dinosaurs in the ship’s cargo that killed the crew believing it would stop the ship reaching to San Diego but turns out It was a mistake and he got eaten as well.
I know it's TemBo but my accent makes it sound like TemPo, although I may have said temPo a little ;) *What do YOU think happened to them?*
Nick protect Kelly end of the story
@@SPKINK_GABY xD
They wrote them out like The Simpsons did with Poochie.
Nick nicked the bullets.
nick grew up to his 50s and ends up having 2 kids who end up being the kids in the beginning JWD when the lucus attack the farm and his wife is the mother talking to Ellie and Nick is with the children in the hosptal
Roland Tempo is the marine from JW fallen kingdom that died and cause the indoraptor to ecscape by trying to collect the indos tooth.
He either went to prison, or Roland hunted him down and killed him to get revenge for creating the situation that resulted in his best friend dying.
Actually They never had the Raptors they would have had more death in the Camp
I’m iffy about him hunting him down and killing him. I’m IFFY…..that means I think there’s a decent chance, but it’s just crazy to think that
@@EarlBiggs ?
@@Dmc1940 when you watch the Movie again the Raptors where never caught as they where always pack hunters and they stayed closer to the only place that the people could go for help so your theory is flawed in the fact that you said he blamed Nick Van Owen for the death of AJ
@@EarlBiggs if you watch the movie again you would see that AJ and the rest of the hunters were* running from the doe T. rex. When Roland went to shoot her in the head he realized his rifle had empty casings in it. If Owen hadn’t disarmed Roland’s rifle the hunters wouldn’t have been running from the Rex as Roland would have killed it. Thence they would not have panicked and ran into the long grass where the raptors were. So yea, nick was responsible for all their deaths. And Sara really for bringing the jacket with the baby Rex’s blood on it.
I like when characters who are supposed to be protagonists and characters who are supposed to be antagonists aren't entirely/at all protagonists and antagonists. Having grey areas to certain characters by making them not who they seem to be is what makes the overall story more interesting.
It can make the characters more relatable and realistic
True.
I never viewed Roland as an antagonist
But I did see Nick as a protagonist
Motive is key. And nicks motives were selfless and just. He didn't want dinosaur on the mainland. Roland's motivations were selfish he wanted to hunt a rex, whilst nick's actions exacerbated the situation, Roland and his obsession with hunting a rex is ultimately responsible for every death. Their situation is for the most part a result of him kidnapping the rex. Sure if nick hadn't destroyed the camp, (inadvertently perhaps) then they could've called for help but they wouldn't need help if they weren't on the run from the rex's.
I wouldn’t call Roland a villain. In fact I’d argue he was more heroic than the protagonists. He went to help Ian, Sarah and Nick even after they sabotaged his camp, he showed concern for Sarah when he thought she was injured, he didn’t want to tell Kelly one of his men went missing as to not scare her. He was actually a pretty good guy aside from wanting to hunt a T-Rex
Agreed. He was there to do a job, and stay professional. Hunt the male t-rex and keep his people safe, that was his job and he did the best he could.
Agreed. What’s crazy, is that even after he got what he wanted, he’s upset because his friend died. Even though he was pretty nasty with his actions, he does she genuine concern. Especially when Sarah accidentally got Dino blood on some brush, and Roland took notice, and asked Sarah if she was ok.
I think Roland after loosing his right hand man and best friend realised his prize ( Buck ) wasn’t worth it so washed his hands of everything and walked away
Yeah he did walk away hence why he said I'm done with death
Exactly he got his trophy but lost his best friend/hunting partner Ajay. This victory was a hollow victory
I actually hear the events of TLW really traumatized Nick and he moved away to live with his mother to help her run a small hotel... hope he's ok.
@@demonbadger86 absolutely underrated comment
Love this comment 😂
Vince Vaughn, the unintentional villain of The Lost World & Roland Tembo, the unintentional hero.
He's not a villain he's protecting the dinosaurs like he was supposed to it's what he was hired for
He got a lot of people eaten and crushed.
@@SlickNickBA yeah those that were hunting the dinosaurs they shouldn't have been there and left them alone
@@SlickNickBA Him & Sarah brought the infant to camp resulting in Eddie’s death. He also disarmed Roland which had the same Rex’s chase him down, kill people, & let the Hunters panic to Raptor territory.
@@elishawilson5342 the ingen hunters were just doing their job some of them probably didn’t want to be there but their boss did.
Nick got more people killed then Roland did. Nick caused alot of deaths and same with the red head chick. They both are the real bad guys in that movie.
"I've spent enough time in the company of death" was such a great line. A man basically admitting that in his victory, he also lost, and wanted nothing more with the disaster.
Eddie was the truest of heroes in the movie and Nick killed him.
The velociraptor attack in workers village was caused by Nick van Owen presence. Raptors literally sniffed him out and were looking for him - an easy prey. They probably remeber how easy it is to hunt humans.
It's not like he could help that. If Nick hadn't been in the village he wouldn't have been able to contact Ingen for help and everyone would have been killed anyway.
Slight correction on Roland Tembo's weapon at 3:54, that is not a shotgun. Its a Searcy double barreled rifle chambered in 600 Nitro Express.
Oh the first half of this video is littered with mispronunciations and incorrect names/words. I enjoy the subject, but it gives me a shiver every time I hear something.
I've really come to HATE Nick and Sarah as time went on. They're both such idiots, who constantly keep getting other people killed. (Eddie's death is on them.) Heck, even when their team and InGen's team pair up for survival, they're both still doing dumb things that are getting everyone killed. (Nick taking out Roland's bullets and Sarah not disposing of her bloodied jacket.)
Remember, they released the dinosaurs, which killed people who were just doing their job, then owen took the bullets, which resulted in more deaths on the island and san diego.
"Just doing their job". Yeah, because the immoral and illegal as hell shit InGen and BioSyn did is totally justified because "I was just following orders!"
The most controversial Protagonist, is CLEARLY Hammond. All death via Dinosaur is down to Hammond and Wu.
It's hard to believe that Roland only brought 2 shells with him to the island..
The rest were in ajays bag but he, ya know, goes into the long grass
Ajay had them in his backpack, as they were a team of hunters. Tembo was the shooter and Ajay carried his reloads. Tembo's an experienced big game hunter, he wouldn't just bring 2 shells with him.
@@jmdnelson4891 I assume that as well but still.. Anyways, lucky break he knew where the tranq gun and darts were lol
He only ever needed 2 😎
The first time seeing this movie when I was really young. Now that I'm older and can understand much more. I still never really liked Nick Van Owen. Always seemed like a hypocritical douche. Sure you can dislike Roland for being the "honor among hunting beasts" philisophical type. But I still can't stand Nick's self righteousness.
This is one of the few times someone’s acknowledged that nick is responsible for every death in this movie. Yes the ingen guys were there and made cartoony cruel so you feel okay when they die but some of them were just really excited scientists wanting to study dinosaurs. Nick is a psychopath that is fine with people dying. Eddie is the mvp of this movie dying horribly so the scum characters get to live
Both of them were really strong characters whom the film wouldn't be complete without, but Roland was my favorite by far. He clearly had an eithically questionable past, being an African big game hunter presumably for sport, but he was honest and frank about his motives, fearless, instinctive, and in the end he was revealed to have a clear moral compass to boot.
Nick, on the other hand, either directly or indirectly caused nearly every casualty in the movie, and never showed any sense of responsibility whatsoever. Like Roland, he was brave in the face of danger (protecting Kelley) and frank about his motives (Greenpeace for the women, Isla Sorna for Hammond's paycheck), but he was also cocky, arrogant, and clearly felt a sense of moral superiority when it came to animal treatment. He didn't mention a peep of regret or remorse about Eddie Carr's death, which was a direct result of him saving them after Nick brought the baby Rex into their camp which lured the adults. The final "smoking gun" (pun partially intended) was him removing the bullets from Roland's cartridges. The whole San Diego incident, while 100% InGen and Peter Ludlow's fault, would've been averted had Roland killed the Rex rather than tranq it (Roland bears no fault for it awakening; as this was the decision of InGen vets who gave it an antidote to the tranquilizer). Bottom line, while Roland's actions (including his guidance of the group through the island to the radio station) saved a large number of the group, Nick's for the most part did the opposite. The only major things to Nick's credit were directly protecting Kelley during the Rex attack and later being the one to call in the evacuation. Otherwise he was pretty useless.
To be fair, he was an entertaining and central character who added depth to the plot and played well off the other characters, but my opinion is just that the movie and other characters seemed to excuse the things he did which either created or exacerbated the conflicts in the film.
Given the circumstances, it’s not far off to have Ingen sue Nick for property damage, as well as man slaughter.
So it’s possible he was just simply arrested, and is in jail. Still, he was a cool character, and while his fate is unknown, we at least know he escaped Site B.
Postlethwaite as Tembo was excellent but his greatest character was Obadiah Hakeswill
Sharpy !!
I personaly despise nick, he was the reason eddie died, a lot of people from the hunting team got killed because of him, ian almost died bc of nick bringing the baby to the Caravan, and he also caused the death of civilians in the city. Truly a eco terrorist
Roland Tembo was my favorite JP Movie Character.
Mine too. I just love the way he fired Dieter Stark by telling him straight to his face “that’s the last time I leave you in charge”, and the fact that you don’t even see his face but clearly it isn’t needed as his tone just conveys his disappointment. Dude had sass, even if he had a minor role compared to the other characters, which is a shame..
Van Owen's demise was immortalized in song: "Roland aimed his Thompson gun, he didn't say a word,
But he blew Van Owen's body, from there to Johannesburg..." It was afterward Roalnd retired to his farm.
I've always found it weird that Roland only had two bullets for that elephant rifle. Like seriously who goes hunting big game with only two bullets.
nick was dealt with, permenently. he made some big enemies with big wallets, and they introduced him to Jimmy Hoffa
I love the dynamic these 2 have. Especially for an action movie. They are layered and have a begrudging respect for each other. Not just shouting. They actually talk and put across their points…. While being hunted
Everytime you say "lItErAlLy" the most overused word in existence, I'm thumbs-downing your video.
Oh wait.
You say it in all your videos
You forget that Roland knew that Sarah had baby t-rex blood on her. He’s not dumb.
it was scary for Nick to bring the baby Rex to the trailer but he was doing what he thought was right and it's better than baby dying because he can't defend himself because of. His broken leg
That action almost killed his whole team. The right thing would have been to put it down and not endanger everyone.
Wasn’t there an Easter egg in Dominion where the name Tembo came up in a list, but implying Roland’s son was working for Biosyn?
I love your content man. The last movie really bummed me out with where it could have gone and the many plotlines they set up but went no where. Very very happy to see someone who still loves the movies.
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@@ShadowsLew hell yeah. The original 2 and maybe the 3rd (it’s grown on me) has really been a staple in my movie watching experiences growing up.
I honestly never really thought about what did happen to them i just remember not knowing where they were great video 💚
Hi new to ur channel but love the content! Any way u can do a video on the other 3 islands? In lost world the boater taking them to the island mentions all 5 as the 5 islands of death but that's the only time I believe they're mentioned and nothing further said. There's probably nothing but the name leads me to believe there's something going on with the other 3
Welcome!
Bit late to this, but im enjoying the channel and all these videos. Very fascinating. What i would say about these two is it shows life isn't always black and white. Neither were bad guys, both were heros in their own right. Just from different points of view. Sometimes there isn't a wrong or a right, just a different point of view.
Steals his "shotgun" shells out of his elephant gun. :,D I love listening to non-Americans talk about guns. Back to what's important, great videos as always brother man and keep up the good work!!!
Everyone blames Nick as a bad guy but he really wasn't. Ajay did worn everyone not to go into the long grass cause he knew raptors were there but they didn’t listen so he removed his backpack in hopes Nick, Ian, Sarah, and Kelly would find it and they did. Then Nick went on ahead cause Ian hurt his leg but eventually Ian, Sarah, and Kelly caught up with him. As for Roland i never saw him really as a bad guy either since he helped Sarah, Ian, and Nick when they were on the side of the cliff and helped Kelly down from the craft thing above the trees. As well showed concern for Sarah thinking she was injured but it was just blood from the baby Rex
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Yes Nick Van Owen Was responsible for all the deaths on the Island. Heck Nick has More blood on his hands than the Ingen team.
I just now realised the loose connection to the song “Roland the headless Thompson gunner” which tells the story of a man called Roland (Norways greatest son) who was fighting in the Congo war alongside another mercenary called Van Owen. Roland was so good that the CIA wanted him dead and hired Van Owen to kill him. Eventually Roland’s ghost catches up with Van Owen in a barroom in Mombasa drinking gin. Where he blew Van Owen’s body from here to Johannesburg.
Could be loosely adapted to the characters from the movie.
The Sandiago Incident was Nick's fault.
Lost world is my *favorite* Jurassic movie, and thank you for making this!
Dr. Robotnik captured them
I love your videos! Thanks for bringing this type of topics that apparently had easy answers, but ends in really hard investigations in the canon and in non canon media, just like Nedry's and Muldoon's videos.
I am glad you enjoyed them, they do take awhile to make!
Maybe Nick was responsible for the adult t.rex escaping the cargo bay on the ship and killing the crew. Then he either escaped or died in the chaos.
Raptors did it there was a Scraped scene where a few Raptors went on the ship and killed everyone and jumped ship when they got close to land but they didn't want to make the movie longer then it was. But yeah raptors did it the t Rex's never left the cargo bay and I'm telling you the truth
@@Mikhail210 that answers so many questions. Always thought it was weak to suggest the t.rex ate everything but the arm of the dude holding the switch to the hatch and then somehow teleported back into the cargo bay
I think Roland continued to live on his ranch in Kenya and eventually died in 2011 (The same year his actor died).
always thought Roland went to hunt Vick for his sabotage
This is totally unrelated, but it just ocurred to me again while watching this video: Am I the only one that gets the impression that the T-Rex, when tilting its head sideways and looking curiously at something, actually looks like a bit like Dustin Hoffman? Look for example at 6:43 - 45.
Well a likely reason Roland tembo won't come back is because the actor died
Hey man i love your videos and your theory most of them make sense so keep up the good work
Shadows you wanna know lamest plot twist that I found out what happened to both Nick and Roland the Jurassic Wikipedia Gon say "Nick was killed by the T-Rex after returning the Infant Rex back" and another thing to they said "Roland Tembo died in a helicopter crash on the way off of Isla Sorna like Wtf how would they die if they obviously went home after everything happened on Site B
CarmeloMurrayFisher145 Google just be sayin stuff that don't even make sense it's like they never watch movies they don't know the history the Theories What happened to the characters or non of that 🙄
@@LilScoot2709 Exactly
Whatever happened to Roland and Nick is truly a mystery! I guess we'll truly never know what really happened to them! It's just one of the many mysteries of the Jurassic franchise! Another epic video from the amazing and incredible Shadows! Well done as always, my friend! Keep up the great work! You're the best!
Edit: Can you please do a video about what happened to the body of Simon Masrani in Jurassic World?
As always glad you enjoyed it Delaina!
I’m assuming it would have been incinerated in the helicopter crash
@@IzzyandShadowohhh you beat me too I lol
lol he work on dodge ball
The biggest problem is that a huge chunk of these characters arent in the book. I still enjoy the movie, but the book is far more complete and the movie took massive liberties while also having van owen be the only basis for the movies events. They literally used a protagonist and inadvertedly made him the actual antagonist; everyone who dies in the movie is his fault.
I think nick van owen is owen grady
Roland spent enough time in the company of death so wanted no part of it. And Nick went back to doing whatever it is he does when hes protesting
One passed away...the other put on weight .
Yesses 👀💪🏿💪🏿👀
These video teachs me about more lore in jurrasic😊
I love the dino crisis music in the background
Tembo retired from being a bounty hunter & capturing dinos, moved to Boston, opened a flower shop, and started recruiting young guys around the neighborhood to carry out bank heists - until Batfleck gets tired of his threats & takes him out after a heist goes bad with Hawkeye. Nick Owen goes into hiding, gets setup for a crime he didn’t commit, gets thrown in jail & starts a Brawl in Cell Block 99.
They where tired and left for hotdogs
Destroying ingen property qouldn't mean squat honestly, because Sarah helped him in that and nothing happened to her, and everybody in the team was in on it as well so there's no way they would only go after Nick
Well if rumors for the new film are true that I’ve heard, the Nick character would fit perfect for a return especially with Vince still around.
I'd like to point out those cut scenes were only cut from the DVD versions n on word. Cause I remember that in the VHS version that was a hell of a scene tho I will see j think they even left a few parts out on that to but still nice.
Love your videos glad to see more content on the older and better movies :)
Thank you :)
@@ShadowsLew yes no problem I just love how you can find more and more interesting things and depth as well
Would've loved seeing Nick back as an ecoterrorist rather than Claire and he might've helped the Jurassic World films be something better than what they were.
I think the company snatched dude up, he's probably a half dino half man creature living in The Restricted Area with all of Wu's other "failures"
Who would think two bullets are not enough on a dinosaur island?
Those are 600 nitro Express rounds. Insanely powerful. Two would be more than enough to take down a T T-Rex.
He was after a t Rex's and only wanted that but you forgot that there camp was taking out by nick when he let the 🦕 out. He probably had more bullets but his stuff got wrecked so only had the ones on him and he set up an ambush and didn't think or know others were on the island. So him thinking it's alright to only take a few shot since he was a big game hunter and probably a good one too. But the end is nick is a dick.
Amazing video and probably Nick went to John Hammond to tell what happened on the island and the many deaths also the capture T-Rex too.
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Thank you Chuck Norris for that memorable scene from the Dodgeball Movie.
Some that REALLY pisses me off so much is when someone has watched a movie, heard the name said, and then go out and say that characters name wrong.
you've heard how their name was said, Say it the same way!!!! Don't butcher it to your own liking.
Nick van owen was the best character in the lost world imo. Its a travesty what they did to my boy, but i understand, the studio execs would have been to confused in jurassic world with the main character being Owen then bringing back Nick Van Owen. They just dont have the brain power for that.
My headcanon is as follows; Lost World, The Cell, Dodgeball.
Welp Nick saves everyone... after relising the dinos and letting almost everyone in the island in a critical situation. It's kinda a redeeming ark for Nick as I see morally questionable his actions.
He’s not an eco terrorist. By him stopping the police from shooting at the T- Rex, saved them.
I think carmea guy left to somewhere
Roland probably retired from hunting since the thrill of the hunt is long gone since Ajay death
Love the PS1 music in the backgroud.
I like the dino crisis music playing when you're talking that a nice touch part 1 and part 2 are such underrated games they need to be remastered
The overgrowth and disrepair of the facility is too much for 4 years.
It's a shame that Pete Postlethwaite is no longer with us. It would have been wonderful to see Roland again.
u should have mentioned that when Nick saved the dinosaurs that he is single handedly responsible for the deaths of so many innocent people including his friend
I did lol Multiple times
@@ShadowsLew you did lol, i just meant at that opening part, cause it was like u made him sound like a good guy when u first introduced him. good video as always
Nick Van Owen really is the perfect representation of an environmentalist.
0:27, am I the only one who didn’t know Nick was an Ecoterrorist?!
6:44 the good old says when gas was only a $1
Roland put his trap for the t. Rexs, next two there campsite, why did he put it so close?
Thanks for this, definitely entertaining content enjoying all videos you’re making lots of love from India 🇮🇳 ❤
My pleasure 😊
Nick Should Have been fed to the T-Rex
Roland goes on to “practice law” for Keyser Soze
"Shotgun shells from his elephant gun". That . . . That sentence bugged me
hello hey man can explain a plot hole from Jurassic Park that I could never find out the storyline when Ellie and Muldoon leave the bunker to go to the tyrannosaur pen they
are wearing clean waterproof yellow rain jackets and they arrive at the t rex Penn when they
get out of the jeep the raincoat on Ellie and Muldoon are covered in blood?
what was supposed to happen between leaving the control bunker and arriving at the t rex Penn this has always annoyed me hoping you can give me a solid answer? thanks?
Very interesting will look into it
Roland found Van Owen in Mombasa, in a bar room drinking gin.
Nick Van Owen was killed by the T-Rex Rexy
Nick was probably of my least character
I never thought there was any ambiguity about what happened to the Van Owen and Tembo in the third act? Tembo outright says he wants nothing more to do with them, and I think it’s just a given that Nick’s part in the story is over after they returned
I thicnk he now a dino tracker from jw legends
Guys hear me out, Nick was the one being hired to sabotage and free the dinos when Ingen step foot on the island do you think Nick was the one who freed some dinosaurs in the ship’s cargo that killed the crew believing it would stop the ship reaching to San Diego but turns out It was a mistake and he got eaten as well.
Yea but they showed him in the helicopter leaving with Sarah Ian and Kelly
He went back to the island and sabotage the ship, the baby t rex leg recovered which means when they caught it it was probably weeks or days
Can you do a video on. Why was there a hole in the fence in Jurassic park 3?
Hole in the fence?
@@Mikhail210 yeah there's was a hole a small hole in the fence in Jurassic park 3 where Erik and Alan went through to get away from the spinosaurus
@@Amp661 what do you mean?
@TheDragonTrainer1019 my thing is how the spino broke through the fence like nothing lol
@@Thekulprit92 no no in Jurassic park 3 there's a small hole in the big fence, Alen and Erik went through it to get away from the Spinosaurus