I am a senior, originally from Southern California. I grew up with people of every color, faith, and sexual orientation - I don't need Disney's agenda lessons - I grew up with them! I have no use for this poorly written, poorly staged show - people are calling it boring! 😒🤔 👎
I think the agenda can be there, carried with a truly smart, story-oriented script. The issue is there is no wit, no subtletly. They punch you on the face with a shallow message and then haphazzardly put together some lackluster story to go along with it, all built on the back of past glories, since they can't create anything new and valuable. And we notice it, and it's disgusting.
"It is for everyone!" > "It is not for you" > "It is the best selling show despite trolls" > "If only trolls didn't make the show fail, we would have gotten more."
Cameron sounds exactly like a 20 something I worked with for a while who was utterly floored when I showed him what my favorite tv show is (Rescue 911) and explained to him that it was created as entertainment but also served as a teaching tool for viewers because 911 wasn't the one stop "what's your emergency" shop we know it as today. He actually called me a liar and insisted that 911 "has always existed" when I told him that most places didn't get 911 services until the early 90's (it came online in my hometown in 1989 but wasn't fully integrated for all city regions until 1991) and that people my age (40 at the time) were taught the four emergency numbers (Fire, Police, Medical, Poison Control) by their parents and those numbers were either programed into the phone (if you had one that could do that), or in my family's case were printed out on a piece of paper that was laminated and taped to the wall under the kitchen phone and to the desk by the phone in my dads office. People like him are just too dumb too understand that the world actually existed BEFORE they were born.
They're making money by having hate clicks Geeky's response: Thats fine, so am I My response: Yeah, she makes more money than you'll ever make by whatever AI generated nonsense you've spewed, Cameron.
"Modern Star Wars projects have expanded the universe." That's an odd take, since the very first thing 'modern' star wars did was axe everything but a handful of movies and TV series from the timeline. "Man, this house just has /too many/ rooms. Let's demolish a couple floors to make room for our new second floor."
Then they shoddily attempted to rebuild the house to its previous specifications and called their work an improvement, but there’s holes in the walls and ceiling and they’re calling it a sunroom
So much this. Especially since all of that made money with all of us buying all that stuff.... LIke the legos, the books, the RPG's, the Video games, the ....
I'll gladly take the blame for not wanting to waste my time watching disrespectful to the source material garbage that I'm told isn't meant for me.......
They come in, say Star Wars is a beloved franchise, take it away from its own fans, then yell when the fans don’t like that they took it away from them. This is like… peak playground bullying behavior.
@@coffee_2234 I've seen very cool fan made films that are WAY better than anything Disney is coming up with today. (Side note: CLOWNFISHTV SEMPAI LIKED MY COMMENT!!!!)
engagement and buzz created from anger. Might as first work but after using it as much as hollywood. It just becomes a new lolcow. To poke and make fun of, before losing interest in it totally.
The better question is: who is Disney's Star Wars Target Demographic? It seems like they are going after a niche, of a niche, of a niche. In otherwords, minimizing the audience rather than maximizing the audience.
The modern media way- appropriate nerd culture to mine the depth of creativity, change it to “force” diversity in a disingenuous way, ignore the lore that made it unique, throw together a script/story that does not appeal to the established fan base or fit in the fictional world, then play the victim when it doesn’t go well and attack the fans that made it an attractive IP to pursue in the 1st place. *Rinse & Repeat* This is a terrible formula! RIP: Star Wars, Star Trek, Warhammer, Willow, The Witcher, Lord of the Rings, Indiana Jones
Company makes product. Customers dislike the product. Company makes public statements attacking customers who overwhelmingly agree that that the product is bad.
This is the result of hiring "fanfic writers" as your story group. They cannot come up with anything original, and instead just write their crap, self insert fan fiction. Originality is not their thing.
If not now, under what circumstance can it ever be that the show itself is garbage? How much more horrible does it have to get until fans are allowed to call out trash writing, lame acting and story lines that make no sense or are totally stupid?
Absolutely love Geeky's raging at CAMERON and correctly pointing out that CAMERON wasn't there, CAMERON! You weren't alive, CAMERON!!! Thank you, Geeky.
Apparently his entire industry experience from which he dictates the truth is seven months or less working at Collider. Somehow I am less than impressed.
Star wars fans are the biggest simps in any fandom...they can get told the most horrendous names and blame fans....and those fans will CONTINUE to to watch their shows and movies....I'm happy people are finally walking away but it needs to happen quicker
Disney: Star Wars failing is your fault. Me: Yes, your move. Disney: It’s your fault. Me: Yup, told you that. Still not watching your garbage. Your move. Disney: ??????
Technically, we DID have the internet during the prequels, it just wasn't so widely used and was in it's infant stages. Also, lol, Geeky Sparkles! I woulda said what my late Memaw woulda said, "Kiss my go to hell", but what you said was great too! Same to Kneon, "Door-dash, Cameron".
I can't thumbs up this one enough. You can tell Geeky was upset, and she schooled "Camryn" so hard.... I'm sure Camryn would have to be squeelin after the beat down Geeky gave. Holy crap Geeky Sparkles, you hold the same rage I do about this stuff, and I didn't have a character named after me. And "Real fans" You mean like the ones that has a Holiday Special? Who watched all the Ewok cartoons and got those scholastic books even when he was in school? Who watched even the Ewok movies regularly? Who has all the movies, special editions, AND the remasters where they put like Haden Christiansen in the back? Who has multiple versions of the Star Wars RPG next to his Star Trek RPG's (Which I love Star Trek more, but no one will give me a Klingon with a lightsaber) Who has figurines still from when he was a kid? Who was shaking in his seat when Luke showed up at the end of the Mandalorian to save them? Who has read more of the Expanded Universe books that he owns and still owns several? Who read the comics? Who has movie posters? WHO GOT KICKED OUT OF THE WALMART PARKING LOT FOR HAVING A LIGHTSABER DUEL ON OPENING NIGHT OF THE PHANTOM MENACE AFTER HAVING STOOD IN LINE FOR HOURS AND STILL HAS HIS TICKET, AND BOUGHT THEM AFTER WE GOT THE TICKETS IN OUR HOME TOWN? Who was literally in the movies since "The EMpire Strikes back" because his mother and grandfather took him. (I don't remember if I was in for the first one cause I was born in 77) The ones that knows the origin, names, and reasons for all the kids? The one who threw a fit when he saw Finn's story (Not cause he was black) but because it was a rehash of HAN'S ACTUAL STORY!? The Real one, not the DISNIFIED ONE? Who still thinks Finn should of been lead into the New Jedi Order by Luke who would of NOT TRIED TO KILL HIS NEPHEW WHICH WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN NAMED BEN! Who has watched the interviews? Who has the shirts and coffee cups, and has played those RPG's in groups for years? Yeah..... The ones that criticize all the stuff that deviates from what we've kept alive for years and still gets ticked off for it? Those fans. The ones angry at the state, or apathetic. Who look at it and say "The games are better than anything these "incusive *** ***** ******* ***** **** **** ***** ***** *** " Want to shove down people's throats? The ones who got all the rest of their family to watch or engage with it? The ones upset with the Cultural vandals affecting everything, who don't understand "Without Respect, We Reject!" The fans who think that they Ruined Asohka in the series, and the ones UPSET THAT THE LAST CRAP SHOW AND OBI-WAN IS NOT ONLY AGENDA DRIVEN BUT BREAKS CANNON BLATANTLY!! Yeah.... I'm sure none of these idiot shills actually understand this, or have spent the money on this stuff, or own things like we do, or are excited about any of this..... Yeah.... Geeky, get em!
I went to a Clone Wars midnight showing after work, it was last minute. They had tickets, I was purely lucky to be able to get them too. Edit: They refers to co-workers I caught a ride with. Me brain does function.
they don’t even watch the Movie or the show show. They just complain about it and they think they know everything. Basically, this is what a lot of people in FANDOM recently that they just come into a FANDOM they make up shit And they don’t even watch the movies or TV shows or read the books And most of them are just making it up And when someone disagrees or prove them wrong, they throw a hissy fit And call you names and try to make your life Just because you’re giving them criticism and most of them don’t even understand The phantom go to a random fandom, make up stuff and have a hissy fit When you criticize them
how quickly these NPC's forget "Pepper Anderson" as "Police Woman" a strong independent middle aged woman, and it got more than just ONE series! "Police Woman is an American police procedural television series created by Robert L. Collins starring Angie Dickinson that ran on NBC for four seasons, from September 13, 1974, to March 29, 1978"
I'm sure a lot of these Disney Star Wars fans only watched the movies and shows, and never even touched any other media besides that. None of the games, books, guides, and certainly never bought a figure, cosplayed as their favorite character or ever wondered what was in store next for the Galaxy Far Far Away. For them it is only Consume Product and Then Get Excited For Next Product. I know someone from work who is not even 20 and loves classic Star Wars because of their parents (who are both huge Star Wars fans, mentioning that their MOTHER was the bigger Star Wars fan), and despises what Disney has done. Well good luck trying to keep a franchise going without that generational legacy, because your new fans aren't the family type.
It has become more fun watching content about DSW than actually watching DSW. After TLJ, I was out, Mando pulled me back for a bit, but the Gina firing got me back out again. Haven't watched anything since. However, it is so much fun watching these "fans" and publications write cope and hit pieces, desperately gagging on Disney's D.
I've got to correct Kneon on one thing. My friends and I were disappointed by The Phantom Menace as soon as the credits rolled, so yeah, some of us disliked Jar Jar, "yippee" Vader, and the movie's other problems without needing the media to point out its flaws.
the interesting thing is that these series have an audience because of hate watching and because since you already paid the disney plus subscription, you just watch the crap they put out since it's there. I wonder if any of these novel ideas would actually get any views if they went on cinemas or were ppv. I'm sure that would be a reality check for the Camerons at these companies
It's simple, SW is a product, if the mayority of the people don't like your product, is your problem as a company. Look at the Harry potter game, all that boycott and it sold very well anyways. As long as the mayority like it, it's ok.
I'm going to point out one of the reasons why the media is freaking out again is because Disney / Kennedy utterly failed with their recent "There are more of us" propaganda hit piece. Let's call it what it was, too. "Oh, Star Wars is for EVERYONE! ... EXCEPT *YOU* , YOU BIGOT!" But then not only did the fans mock it to death, their own "activist allies" went rabid on it. So now they have to go back to the previous tactic "which worked." Well, I say this in closing. I and others have been pushing our own hashtag in regards to Kennedy / Disney Wars. #TheyWantNoneOfUs
I remember that people made fun of aspects of the prequel series, like JarJar Binks, but the fans never hated on the prequels like they have the sequel series. I don’t blame the fans for the hate, because it’s clear that the creators of the sequel series hated Star Wars long before the fans had a chance to react.
Cameron had no idea what he was saying. Heck, I was excited when daisy and john were casted. I wanted to see a badass female jedi and a stormtrooper jedi in the sequels. After the first movie sucked because of the unexplained mary sue moments, I inhaled copium and expected them to explain it in the next movie...then rian johnson happened and I finally gave up.
Honestly, I stopped caring about Star Wars when the leaks confirmed that they would make Reylo canon, Mandalorian seasons 1 and 2 make me return but now I truly don't care enough to watch the new things or even pirate them.
15:30 Hell, diving into the EU for a second, the books that put the EU on the map (Heir to the Empire trilogy) featured Mara Jade, a strong woman who was effectively Luke's equal minus the Force (and at the end of the trilogy her Force powers made her on par with him). She's one of _the most iconic EU Star Wars characters post ROTJ for a reason. Also, the 'famous bikini scene'? Does the idiot realize she was forced into it by Jabba, especially when the alternative was getting fed to his Rancor? HAS CAMERON EVEN WATCHED RETURN OF THE JEDI?!
Didn’t Collider Jedi Council blame the fans for the Last Jedi backlash too? How come they don’t blame the fans when like things like Rogue One and The Mandallorian?
I always forget Collider is still a thing out there after their most popular talents left and they changed their format. Not that it was a huge deal. The way some of them reacted to fans after TLJ, especially the inbred mutant known as Mark Ellis, was a glimpse at what most of them were with just a few exceptions (I.e. Jahns).
I don't know what planet they're living on, but on this one the customer is always right...whether they want to acknowledge that makes no difference. We're not buying what they're selling. It's as simple as that. If you are trying to sell cheap 💩 instead of quality entertainment, no one will buy your cheap 💩. If you continually insult your potential customers, they will refuse to spend their time and money on your cheap 💩. It's as simple as that. 🤷♀️ Until they learn how to have emotional intelligence and take accountability for their failures instead of deflecting blame on others, they will continue to fail. It's not rocket science. 🙄
hahah I love how this 20 something reporter wasn't around when any of the previous stuff happened. "They" probably used chat GPT to look up the details for the article.
At this point I’m willing to accept that I, as a fan, am responsible for Disney Star Wars failure & as such that means that I/ We have *all the Power* & Disney should bend the knee to our preferences & demands, or else.
Apart from you and the other TH-cam Commentators is anyone else actually reading these articles? Aren't these media outlets on the verge of collapse? Do these people actually have any relevance? More importantly are their articles actually getting more people to watch disney+? Or are they actually screaming into the void?
Sam Walton said it best: “There is only one boss. The customer. And he can fire everybody in the company from the chairman on down, simply by spending his money somewhere else.” Disney has forgotten that!
yeah, but I think the issue is that these subscription services have muddied the statistics. Hatewatching and background watching score views that aren't really engaged with the material, but these excecutives mistakenly think they're doing fine. If these series were PPV, our voices, the voices of the fans would be clear since no one would buy this crap. For instance, I pay for Dinsey plus because my wife likes to watch the animated classics, but she leaves some of the new stuff playing to fall asleep to it. By the app's stats, my wife is the biggest new Star Wars fan, when in reality she hasn't seen shit.
No, it's called Propaganda. The goal is to chase the fans off, so they can replace the property with something more Communist appropriate. They're winning by the way. The more people tune out, the more they can remove and replace.
It is a delight to listen to Geeky venting.😊 After all the Point about deflection of criticism by demonising the critics as 'istaphobes' is an old one, and began with the first Discoivery and Rey movies. It is well known and they will never change, and the only answer is to not buy the product. Vote with the wallet.
This coming from the website who spearheaded the witxh hunt of anyone who did not like The Last Jedi. The opinions of Collider are as worthless as the credibility of modern day "professional" critics.
"Star Wars' Biggest Problem Is Its Fans" I have a brilliant way to fix that: We aren't Star Wars fans anymore. If you have no fans, you have no problem, right? 😏
Force Awakens for me. I stuck around for Rebels and Clone Wars series, but walked as soon as Force Awakens dropped (mostly because of Kathleens REWRITE of' "The Force is Female". Which told me, 'im NOT the target audience so DONT even bother') *To clarify, Kathleens statement of "The Force is Female" AFFIRMED to me, that Star Wars had gone "Fem-u-first movement". Which, as i said, means, 'im NOT the target audience so DONT even bother'
Yup, left after TLJ, haven't bothered to watch any Disney Star Wars shit. Even the stuff that's supposedly "good" like Mandalorian and Endor, I just don't give enough of a shit to bother watching. Disney and Darth Kennedy destroyed Star Wars, it's dead, and they keep mutilating the corpse.
*_"The problem with the Star Wars audience, is that it is full of Star Wars fans. If we cannot get them out, we'll breed them out."_* _"Umm...something tells me that approach won't work in your favor, Chief."_
HEY!!!! "The Internet has never made it easy for people to speak there minds." YOU STOP THAT!!!!! YOU STOP SPEAKING YOUR MIND YOU'RE IN VIOLATION OF THIS GUYS LOOSE UNDERSTANDING OF THE TOTALITY OF THE INTERNET!!!! (>.
Then leave the franchise and seek out new IPs to make famous. The diehard fans keep giving it light. Give it none and these executives will turn ship. But these fans can't because they feel like they have to watch it so they can complain online. It's so tiresome now
Nice brave heart reference But also very sad, because yes this is the strategy they want all the older generations of fans gone, and they hope that the newest fans will see only the newest Star Wars projects and become lifelong die-hards that spit on the Original Trilogy
I am a senior, originally from Southern California. I grew up with people of every color, faith, and sexual orientation - I don't need Disney's agenda lessons - I grew up with them! I have no use for this poorly written, poorly staged show - people are calling it boring! 😒🤔 👎
I think the agenda can be there, carried with a truly smart, story-oriented script. The issue is there is no wit, no subtletly. They punch you on the face with a shallow message and then haphazzardly put together some lackluster story to go along with it, all built on the back of past glories, since they can't create anything new and valuable. And we notice it, and it's disgusting.
Well put! Well put! I agree 100%!
"It's not for you!" > "It's the greatest thing evarr!" > "It's your fault it failed!"
"It is for everyone!" > "It is not for you" > "It is the best selling show despite trolls" > "If only trolls didn't make the show fail, we would have gotten more."
Cameron sounds exactly like a 20 something I worked with for a while who was utterly floored when I showed him what my favorite tv show is (Rescue 911) and explained to him that it was created as entertainment but also served as a teaching tool for viewers because 911 wasn't the one stop "what's your emergency" shop we know it as today.
He actually called me a liar and insisted that 911 "has always existed" when I told him that most places didn't get 911 services until the early 90's (it came online in my hometown in 1989 but wasn't fully integrated for all city regions until 1991) and that people my age (40 at the time) were taught the four emergency numbers (Fire, Police, Medical, Poison Control) by their parents and those numbers were either programed into the phone (if you had one that could do that), or in my family's case were printed out on a piece of paper that was laminated and taped to the wall under the kitchen phone and to the desk by the phone in my dads office.
People like him are just too dumb too understand that the world actually existed BEFORE they were born.
I think I learned that in middle school when I learned that there were only 48 states during WWII.
Probably the sort of person who doesn't realise that for supermarkets to have food, farmers need to be involved.
Disney is now producing Star Wars: The Phantom Audience.
Lol this is a great title for a South Park/Robot Chicken parody 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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@grandmufftwerkin9037 ah, yes - the ever-elusive "modern audience".
@@RighteousJMore elusive than Bigfoot, The Loch Ness Monster, and Chupacabra combined.
The Modern Audience
My mom can guilt trip me, Collider can't.
Collider can go F itself. Campea included.
@@TheGhostofPirateBob711 mine did, but Collider never had it.
Jedi lesbians can make even a lightsaber soft.
When I saw that lightsaber whip my first thought was "That's not how lightsabers work."
their "battery powered man" doesn't need batteries any more, it shudders enough at the thought where it's headed tonight, batteries are not required.
@@silver2therescue1 My thought was "So poor imagination. I'd make a gun that shoots homing light sabers that always kills".
They're making money by having hate clicks
Geeky's response: Thats fine, so am I
My response: Yeah, she makes more money than you'll ever make by whatever AI generated nonsense you've spewed, Cameron.
As a lifelong fan of Star Wars it hurts so much that I no longer care about Star Wars.
Same with Star Trek.
I'm a huge Trekkie, and to see it taken over by tourists makes my warp core implode.
Same. Among my friend groups, I was the "star wars obsessed one." I really tried to hold on stubbornly. Obi-wan was the last straw for me.
@sol-hunter2332 I wish there was a last straw for me but sadly when it's mostly bad there's not just one thing I can direct my anger at.
"Modern Star Wars projects have expanded the universe." That's an odd take, since the very first thing 'modern' star wars did was axe everything but a handful of movies and TV series from the timeline. "Man, this house just has /too many/ rooms. Let's demolish a couple floors to make room for our new second floor."
Then they shoddily attempted to rebuild the house to its previous specifications and called their work an improvement, but there’s holes in the walls and ceiling and they’re calling it a sunroom
@@Splitter4416 You forgot to mention the Mold on every surface they are trying to call an Indoor garden.
So much this. Especially since all of that made money with all of us buying all that stuff.... LIke the legos, the books, the RPG's, the Video games, the ....
They demolished quite a bit more than "a couple floors".
"Everyone who doesn't eat the chocolate that I found in my toilet is mean and evil and wrong and, and, and..." basically.
Solid statement...
Gross, but still solid.
I'll gladly take the blame for not wanting to waste my time watching disrespectful to the source material garbage that I'm told isn't meant for me.......
They come in, say Star Wars is a beloved franchise, take it away from its own fans, then yell when the fans don’t like that they took it away from them.
This is like… peak playground bullying behavior.
Well, anger creates engagement, but most importantly, it keeps fans distracted from uniting and creating something better.
youtuber already picking up the hollywood slack that they created
@@coffee_2234 I've seen very cool fan made films that are WAY better than anything Disney is coming up with today.
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engagement and buzz created from anger. Might as first work but after using it as much as hollywood. It just becomes a new lolcow. To poke and make fun of, before losing interest in it totally.
Hollywood lost their touch long time ago don't like ruining my childhood movies these days don't care about at all
The better question is: who is Disney's Star Wars Target Demographic?
It seems like they are going after a niche, of a niche, of a niche. In otherwords, minimizing the audience rather than maximizing the audience.
It's like watching the Democrats attack working people for not treating weirdos with terrible hair and stupid pronouns as their social superiors.
Biggest problem is that customers don't want 💩💩💩💩 that we feed them.
I think Geeky just made a whole video of her yelling at a bot.
Maybe we should "go back" to white straight men protagonists, since black/gay/women are so badly written and presented.
What's odd is that 90% of straight men could make a lesbians in space series 90% of guys would watch, but a lesbian couldn't.
@@anonygent😂so true. Men in general are considerably more interested in lesbians than women
The modern media way- appropriate nerd culture to mine the depth of creativity, change it to “force” diversity in a disingenuous way, ignore the lore that made it unique, throw together a script/story that does not appeal to the established fan base or fit in the fictional world, then play the victim when it doesn’t go well and attack the fans that made it an attractive IP to pursue in the 1st place. *Rinse & Repeat*
This is a terrible formula!
RIP: Star Wars, Star Trek, Warhammer, Willow, The Witcher, Lord of the Rings, Indiana Jones
Geeky, these people justify it like the crazy people who attacked everyone playing Hogwarts Legacy. They'll never be rational. Only insane.
Bold of you to assume, Collider, that the OG fans are even bothering with this. Fanfiction at its worst is better than Disney Star Wars.
Company makes product. Customers dislike the product. Company makes public statements attacking customers who overwhelmingly agree that that the product is bad.
Whats the success rate of businesses that keep blaiming their customers?
What do they think they paid $4b for? Something without a fanbase is worth zero. That $4b was for the fanbase. That they spent 9 years shitting on.
This is the result of hiring "fanfic writers" as your story group. They cannot come up with anything original, and instead just write their crap, self insert fan fiction. Originality is not their thing.
Attacking the fans who don't agree with them is not a great plan!
Ignore us then.
The only issue is we are the money spenders. Wake me up when the Star Wars IP has been sold.
during the prequel thing....noone was calling each other racists and bigots. it was memes. and making fun of how kiddied out it was.
We, the majority, are still fans. These Woke imposters are not, and will never be.
Cameron does not understand yet that the opposite of love is not hate, it's opposite is indifference.
Honestly. I'm fine if we don't get anymore Star Wars. I'm so done with this.
If not now, under what circumstance can it ever be that the show itself is garbage? How much more horrible does it have to get until fans are allowed to call out trash writing, lame acting and story lines that make no sense or are totally stupid?
Xena the warrior princess is the perfect example of a powerful woman done right! To this day still loved by both men and women and children!
Til it dropped the ball with the lesbian shit in the end because god forbid Xena and Gabrielle be close and platonic
@@Drums_of_Liberation You are assuming that all women don't behave in a lesbian manner with all their (female) friends...
What people like or don’t like is their business! At this point I don’t care if Lucasfilm let alone Disney declares bankruptcy
Grumpy Grandpa here. You can hate on me all day. It's not going to change that dumpster fire. 😂😂😂👍
Absolutely love Geeky's raging at CAMERON and correctly pointing out that CAMERON wasn't there, CAMERON! You weren't alive, CAMERON!!!
Thank you, Geeky.
Apparently his entire industry experience from which he dictates the truth is seven months or less working at Collider. Somehow I am less than impressed.
Worse, wasn't it more like 2 months? I'll watch the video again and find it but I think he started at Collider in May 2024.
Star wars fans are the biggest simps in any fandom...they can get told the most horrendous names and blame fans....and those fans will CONTINUE to to watch their shows and movies....I'm happy people are finally walking away but it needs to happen quicker
Disney: Star Wars failing is your fault.
Me: Yes, your move.
Disney: It’s your fault.
Me: Yup, told you that. Still not watching your garbage. Your move.
Disney: ??????
Allow me to fix your post ending please.
Disney: "?????? . . . It, is, your, fault! Will you watch it now?"
Technically, we DID have the internet during the prequels, it just wasn't so widely used and was in it's infant stages. Also, lol, Geeky Sparkles! I woulda said what my late Memaw woulda said, "Kiss my go to hell", but what you said was great too! Same to Kneon, "Door-dash, Cameron".
Collider are gonna have to start saying Colliders problem is their fans. Cause guess what... Now I don't like Collider either!
I can't thumbs up this one enough. You can tell Geeky was upset, and she schooled "Camryn" so hard.... I'm sure Camryn would have to be squeelin after the beat down Geeky gave. Holy crap Geeky Sparkles, you hold the same rage I do about this stuff, and I didn't have a character named after me.
And "Real fans"
You mean like the ones that has a Holiday Special?
Who watched all the Ewok cartoons and got those scholastic books even when he was in school?
Who watched even the Ewok movies regularly?
Who has all the movies, special editions, AND the remasters where they put like Haden Christiansen in the back?
Who has multiple versions of the Star Wars RPG next to his Star Trek RPG's (Which I love Star Trek more, but no one will give me a Klingon with a lightsaber)
Who has figurines still from when he was a kid?
Who was shaking in his seat when Luke showed up at the end of the Mandalorian to save them?
Who has read more of the Expanded Universe books that he owns and still owns several?
Who read the comics?
Who has movie posters?
WHO GOT KICKED OUT OF THE WALMART PARKING LOT FOR HAVING A LIGHTSABER DUEL ON OPENING NIGHT OF THE PHANTOM MENACE AFTER HAVING STOOD IN LINE FOR HOURS AND STILL HAS HIS TICKET, AND BOUGHT THEM AFTER WE GOT THE TICKETS IN OUR HOME TOWN?
Who was literally in the movies since "The EMpire Strikes back" because his mother and grandfather took him. (I don't remember if I was in for the first one cause I was born in 77)
The ones that knows the origin, names, and reasons for all the kids?
The one who threw a fit when he saw Finn's story (Not cause he was black) but because it was a rehash of HAN'S ACTUAL STORY!? The Real one, not the DISNIFIED ONE?
Who still thinks Finn should of been lead into the New Jedi Order by Luke who would of NOT TRIED TO KILL HIS NEPHEW WHICH WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN NAMED BEN!
Who has watched the interviews?
Who has the shirts and coffee cups, and has played those RPG's in groups for years?
Yeah..... The ones that criticize all the stuff that deviates from what we've kept alive for years and still gets ticked off for it?
Those fans. The ones angry at the state, or apathetic. Who look at it and say "The games are better than anything these "incusive *** ***** ******* ***** **** **** ***** ***** *** " Want to shove down people's throats?
The ones who got all the rest of their family to watch or engage with it? The ones upset with the Cultural vandals affecting everything, who don't understand "Without Respect, We Reject!"
The fans who think that they Ruined Asohka in the series, and the ones UPSET THAT THE LAST CRAP SHOW AND OBI-WAN IS NOT ONLY AGENDA DRIVEN BUT BREAKS CANNON BLATANTLY!! Yeah.... I'm sure none of these idiot shills actually understand this, or have spent the money on this stuff, or own things like we do, or are excited about any of this.....
Yeah.... Geeky, get em!
I went to a Clone Wars midnight showing after work, it was last minute. They had tickets, I was purely lucky to be able to get them too.
Edit: They refers to co-workers I caught a ride with. Me brain does function.
They purchased the IP - not the fans
When the legacy star wars already told stories in stories where Disney struggles to have a thought
And Blame Roulette returns to... Original SW fans... again...
Anyway, So I Turned Around...
It’s a winning strategy to blame/guilt/shame your audience when your crappy product doesn’t sell. Well done Disney! /sarcasm
they don’t even watch the Movie or the show show. They just complain about it and they think they know everything. Basically, this is what a lot of people in FANDOM recently that they just come into a FANDOM they make up shit And they don’t even watch the movies or TV shows or read the books And most of them are just making it up And when someone disagrees or prove them wrong, they throw a hissy fit And call you names and try to make your life Just because you’re giving them criticism and most of them don’t even understand The phantom go to a random fandom, make up stuff and have a hissy fit When you criticize them
how quickly these NPC's forget "Pepper Anderson" as "Police Woman" a strong independent middle aged woman, and it got more than just ONE series!
"Police Woman is an American police procedural television series created by Robert L. Collins starring Angie Dickinson that ran on NBC for four seasons, from September 13, 1974, to March 29, 1978"
I'm sure a lot of these Disney Star Wars fans only watched the movies and shows, and never even touched any other media besides that. None of the games, books, guides, and certainly never bought a figure, cosplayed as their favorite character or ever wondered what was in store next for the Galaxy Far Far Away. For them it is only Consume Product and Then Get Excited For Next Product. I know someone from work who is not even 20 and loves classic Star Wars because of their parents (who are both huge Star Wars fans, mentioning that their MOTHER was the bigger Star Wars fan), and despises what Disney has done. Well good luck trying to keep a franchise going without that generational legacy, because your new fans aren't the family type.
It has become more fun watching content about DSW than actually watching DSW. After TLJ, I was out, Mando pulled me back for a bit, but the Gina firing got me back out again. Haven't watched anything since. However, it is so much fun watching these "fans" and publications write cope and hit pieces, desperately gagging on Disney's D.
I've got to correct Kneon on one thing. My friends and I were disappointed by The Phantom Menace as soon as the credits rolled, so yeah, some of us disliked Jar Jar, "yippee" Vader, and the movie's other problems without needing the media to point out its flaws.
The difference with 'The Last Jedi' is people actually watched it
"He thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts"
They shove a stick into the bicycle wheel while peddling and then blame the fans???
Keep on coping Cameryn
Blame the people you made you things for for not showing up, not the people you hate and made the opposite of what they wanted.
It's all clickbait for a dying media. Think of it as Alyssa Mercante in reverse.
Same old, same old they'll never learn.
the interesting thing is that these series have an audience because of hate watching and because since you already paid the disney plus subscription, you just watch the crap they put out since it's there. I wonder if any of these novel ideas would actually get any views if they went on cinemas or were ppv. I'm sure that would be a reality check for the Camerons at these companies
It's simple, SW is a product, if the mayority of the people don't like your product, is your problem as a company.
Look at the Harry potter game, all that boycott and it sold very well anyways. As long as the mayority like it, it's ok.
I'm going to point out one of the reasons why the media is freaking out again is because Disney / Kennedy utterly failed with their recent "There are more of us" propaganda hit piece. Let's call it what it was, too. "Oh, Star Wars is for EVERYONE! ... EXCEPT *YOU* , YOU BIGOT!" But then not only did the fans mock it to death, their own "activist allies" went rabid on it. So now they have to go back to the previous tactic "which worked." Well, I say this in closing. I and others have been pushing our own hashtag in regards to Kennedy / Disney Wars. #TheyWantNoneOfUs
I was in the theater in 77 when the original trilogy started.
I remember that people made fun of aspects of the prequel series, like JarJar Binks, but the fans never hated on the prequels like they have the sequel series. I don’t blame the fans for the hate, because it’s clear that the creators of the sequel series hated Star Wars long before the fans had a chance to react.
Cameron had no idea what he was saying. Heck, I was excited when daisy and john were casted. I wanted to see a badass female jedi and a stormtrooper jedi in the sequels. After the first movie sucked because of the unexplained mary sue moments, I inhaled copium and expected them to explain it in the next movie...then rian johnson happened and I finally gave up.
I love how Geeky was like directly pointing shit out to the author of the article. Just hysterical!!
Lacking creativity in their productions AND their copium usage/ blame game. Patterns present themselves.
Honestly, I stopped caring about Star Wars when the leaks confirmed that they would make Reylo canon, Mandalorian seasons 1 and 2 make me return but now I truly don't care enough to watch the new things or even pirate them.
15:30 Hell, diving into the EU for a second, the books that put the EU on the map (Heir to the Empire trilogy) featured Mara Jade, a strong woman who was effectively Luke's equal minus the Force (and at the end of the trilogy her Force powers made her on par with him). She's one of _the most iconic EU Star Wars characters post ROTJ for a reason.
Also, the 'famous bikini scene'? Does the idiot realize she was forced into it by Jabba, especially when the alternative was getting fed to his Rancor? HAS CAMERON EVEN WATCHED RETURN OF THE JEDI?!
Disney should have just filled Star Wars with thirst traps for females.
Otherwise, I’m not seeing any way for them to succeed with those bad writings.
Didn’t Collider Jedi Council blame the fans for the Last Jedi backlash too? How come they don’t blame the fans when like things like Rogue One and The Mandallorian?
I always forget Collider is still a thing out there after their most popular talents left and they changed their format.
Not that it was a huge deal. The way some of them reacted to fans after TLJ, especially the inbred mutant known as Mark Ellis, was a glimpse at what most of them were with just a few exceptions (I.e. Jahns).
The thing about crying wolf over and over is that eventually no believes you.
Eh, bring it on. All I have to do is ignore them. I've gotten pretty darn good at that (practice, you know)
I don't know what planet they're living on, but on this one the customer is always right...whether they want to acknowledge that makes no difference. We're not buying what they're selling. It's as simple as that. If you are trying to sell cheap 💩 instead of quality entertainment, no one will buy your cheap 💩. If you continually insult your potential customers, they will refuse to spend their time and money on your cheap 💩. It's as simple as that. 🤷♀️ Until they learn how to have emotional intelligence and take accountability for their failures instead of deflecting blame on others, they will continue to fail. It's not rocket science. 🙄
Mist if us don't consider ourselves SW fans, we're way past caring.
hahah I love how this 20 something reporter wasn't around when any of the previous stuff happened. "They" probably used chat GPT to look up the details for the article.
At this point, the drama surrounding the franchise is more entertaining than the show.
At this point I’m willing to accept that I, as a fan, am responsible for Disney Star Wars failure & as such that means that I/ We have *all the Power* & Disney should bend the knee to our preferences & demands, or else.
Prequel people hated Jar Jar and Jake Loud
Funny how "For everyone" excludes most of the population of the earth, ie straight and/or male
Who exactly bothers reading Collider anymore anyway?
F Disney star wars every episode of this show is like watching paint dry and then realizing it's the wrong paint just a waste of everyone's time
I don't remember any of the disney star wars except for a bit of the mando s1
If you look at it from a Star Trek perspective the argument for a very long was who was better Kirk or Picard, though I always will say Captain Sisko.
I wonder what it would say about me who has never watched the Episodes 1-3 from George. Wasn't interested in them when they came out.
OG fans stopped caring about these idiots and their opinions a long time ago.
Good thing I have the heroes at Coĺider to tell me what to think
Do these writers have "fans"?
"Groundbreaking"?!
Apart from you and the other TH-cam Commentators is anyone else actually reading these articles? Aren't these media outlets on the verge of collapse? Do these people actually have any relevance? More importantly are their articles actually getting more people to watch disney+? Or are they actually screaming into the void?
Kneon giving fatherly advice is awesome. He should appear on camera wearing a red sweater in an easy chair smoking a pipe.
I'm so glad Geeky sat this one out she probably wouldn't have liked it....🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
It's ironic, I used to be bullied for loving star wars. Now I get bullied for disliking it 🫤
Cameron would be humbled, if he had any self-realization.
Sam Walton said it best: “There is only one boss. The customer. And he can fire everybody in the company from the chairman on down, simply by spending his money somewhere else.” Disney has forgotten that!
I miss ol' Sam.
He'd be spinning alongside Walt.
yeah, but I think the issue is that these subscription services have muddied the statistics. Hatewatching and background watching score views that aren't really engaged with the material, but these excecutives mistakenly think they're doing fine. If these series were PPV, our voices, the voices of the fans would be clear since no one would buy this crap. For instance, I pay for Dinsey plus because my wife likes to watch the animated classics, but she leaves some of the new stuff playing to fall asleep to it. By the app's stats, my wife is the biggest new Star Wars fan, when in reality she hasn't seen shit.
Insanity is blaming fans for 7 years, and expecting a different result.
@@365ral 🎯
No, it's called Propaganda. The goal is to chase the fans off, so they can replace the property with something more Communist appropriate. They're winning by the way. The more people tune out, the more they can remove and replace.
They really think getting rid of the current fans is a solution to everything.
Where are the brand new fans coming from?
The Customer is always RIGHT.. Its time these Companys Get back to reality
It is a delight to listen to Geeky venting.😊 After all the Point about deflection of criticism by demonising the critics as 'istaphobes' is an old one, and began with the first Discoivery and Rey movies. It is well known and they will never change, and the only answer is to not buy the product. Vote with the wallet.
Collider is victim blaming.
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Indeed victim blaming
The fans are the problem? Ok. Well soon the problem will be solved. They are on the road to zero fans.
This coming from the website who spearheaded the witxh hunt of anyone who did not like The Last Jedi.
The opinions of Collider are as worthless as the credibility of modern day "professional" critics.
"Star Wars' Biggest Problem Is Its Fans"
I have a brilliant way to fix that: We aren't Star Wars fans anymore. If you have no fans, you have no problem, right? 😏
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Star Wars has fans now 🤣?
As far as Disney is concerned, there are no Star Wars fans. We all left long ago.
Force Awakens for me. I stuck around for Rebels and Clone Wars series, but walked as soon as Force Awakens dropped (mostly because of Kathleens REWRITE of' "The Force is Female". Which told me, 'im NOT the target audience so DONT even bother')
*To clarify, Kathleens statement of "The Force is Female" AFFIRMED to me, that Star Wars had gone "Fem-u-first movement". Which, as i said, means, 'im NOT the target audience so DONT even bother'
To a galaxy far, far away.
Yup, left after TLJ, haven't bothered to watch any Disney Star Wars shit. Even the stuff that's supposedly "good" like Mandalorian and Endor, I just don't give enough of a shit to bother watching. Disney and Darth Kennedy destroyed Star Wars, it's dead, and they keep mutilating the corpse.
Awfully arrogant of Disney to assume anyone watches it's version of Star Wars.
*_"The problem with the Star Wars audience, is that it is full of Star Wars fans. If we cannot get them out, we'll breed them out."_*
_"Umm...something tells me that approach won't work in your favor, Chief."_
Offer the fans a truce. Buy them off. But who should go to them? Cameron? Not my gentle son... The mere sight of him would only encourage them.
HEY!!!! "The Internet has never made it easy for people to speak there minds." YOU STOP THAT!!!!! YOU STOP SPEAKING YOUR MIND YOU'RE IN VIOLATION OF THIS GUYS LOOSE UNDERSTANDING OF THE TOTALITY OF THE INTERNET!!!! (>.
Then leave the franchise and seek out new IPs to make famous. The diehard fans keep giving it light. Give it none and these executives will turn ship. But these fans can't because they feel like they have to watch it so they can complain online. It's so tiresome now
Nice brave heart reference
But also very sad, because yes this is the strategy
they want all the older generations of fans gone, and they hope that the newest fans will see only the newest Star Wars projects and become lifelong die-hards that spit on the Original Trilogy
Are they going to breed the children with space witches?? Not like LGBTQ Whatever are going to have children unless they buy them from china....😂😂😂