MUSIC DIRECTOR REACTS | RIVER' 🇫🇷 🇨🇴 vs NaPoM 🇺🇸 | GBB 2023: WORLD LEAGUE | Solo Final
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- I appreciate both sides of skillsets displayed here in this battle! 🔥
For me personally, I am team River as far as musical ideas go.
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What do you think about the result of this battle?
Beatboxing is so damn cool 👀
I think Napom should have won, as he brought the battle energy through variety and in-the-moment counters
Yo thank you!! I’m glad I got that link to you cheers from the 509
I think you'd have a really good time analyzing
Sound Sketch - Dlow
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As far as the result, it was quite predictable.
River was 2nd place in 2022 GBB, and 3rd in worlds champs 2023... and a bunch of the competitors of the 2023 GBB dropped out because they couldn't afford to get to Japan (the gbb used to be in poland) so the competition was lacking and River was an easy favorite.
@@asylumental gbb2021*
The joke about Gene Shinozaki is that he's a beatboxer with a similar style to River. River even credits Gene in his winner speech. He is also one of the judges you can see in this video as well.
True and not sure if they still do but Gene also live with Napom and the rest of the beatbox house crew.
“We have Gene at home.”
@@robyd the "We have gene at home" Was a reference to a worldwide popular meme lol
@@its_kc7088 I see. Haven’t been up to date with recent memes lately
If anything, I feel like there's a tug-o-war going on in the community where one side feels pushing the musical aspect of beatbox is the key to growth while the other side feels that the purpose of these competitions get lost as we push further and further in that direction.
I'm of the opinion that while musicality is the way of the future, that there's a time and place for those performances and if you're going to emphasize music in this context, you at least need to bring a balanced approach with you and not forget that it's ultimately a battle.
People who like rap battles and people who like rap music overlap but listen to both tor different reasons. Maybe it's because there isn't much widespread beatbox music that it's bled into the competition setting to such a high degree.
That "ego" you refer to is commonplace in any form of competition by high-level individuals because they're driven by the competition and that's just as okay as being kumbaya all the time, maybe even more fitting in this context.
Beautifully written 👍🏽
Yes I agree with you. River won because of the battle aspect he brought with musicality in his 2nd round. Thats overtook napom's 2nd round which kinda felt low after crazy counter.
I agree that I feel like it should be a mixture of both because people who go there want to bounce and enjoy good beats but also have that element of getting into someone's face. I feel like River did more of both which is why he wins for me. Also Napom doing similar beats over and over shouldn't be given points at all. It's not fair on those who actually try to come up with completely new routines like River clearly has
@@swiftyyy870 Lol River uses the exact same sounds as every round in this GBB you clearly didnt even understand the variation of rolls that Napom did in comparison to the amount of snare variations that River does. Only a few number of beatboxers are able to have a large amount of distinct sound variation, like Zekka said it's called style haters
@@Worldly_Pitfall3 same sounds yes different beats no, meanwhile i recognised so many beats from Napom while River created new ones. Yes not all of Napoms beats were the exact same but really similar where as River i didnt recognise any at all
Really appreciate your perspective on this one! Might get a bunch of troll comments because some take the ‘battle narrative’ a bit too seriously, but hopefully some will appreciate hearing a different perspective (and obviously 3 of 5 judges agree, but it was close for sure!)
If people troll for someone having questions and an opinion based on a display of musicianship.... lol I couldn't have time to take them seriously.
Napom was GBB Champion 2017 and american champion, and 2nd place in world champs. He's Legend status.
For the last 5+ years he has been just freestyling through competitions, and continuously placing highly like this- 2nd place. Hes showing up completely unprepared and just letting his skills shine. Proving himself as easily one of the best in the world.
If you want to hear some of his actual tracks:
Napom - roll like this
Napom - dip
Napom - bass electro
he was definitely not not prepared lol. it was still a little bit freestyle but he made rounds. dnb remix of his tracks for rounds. mashups for rounds of old tracks. and roll like this vip. he was more prepared than you think
@@kurtg1349 yeah I mean "completely unprepared" was something I would maybe change to "mostly unprepared"
But he didn't come with practiced rounds formulated to last the exact time of the round, it maybe seemed or felt like that but that's just because he is a master at what he does.
He thought of little beats he wanted to show and phrases he wanted to say, then he has his skills and his arsenal of crowd favorites... then he basically live remixes all those ideas together for his rounds.
@@kurtg1349 if you spent any amount of time on his livestreams listening to him freestyle then you'd know he basically did in his rounds what he does every day with the addition of some banger new ideas and Japanese phrases
8:26 To give u a perspective, there's a beatboxer named Codfish who won Gbb 2018 with just Throat Bass singing and clean basics..Your stuff doesnt always have to be complex for you to win. Not to mention, Napom's liprolls were peaking the monitors and had the strongest resonance than anyone in the entire event. Soo ofc, its a lot different live u see. Also, about the complexity of River, you cant hear all those technicalities soo clearly live as u do in a video format where they do mix mastering and stuff. You dont know how the sounds actually sounded like live, soo take that as well into consideration.
Napom can have the ego.. he won this competition like 7-8 years ago and has been battling longer than most active beatboxers.. he’s a legend. And he and river and friends it’s just a battle lol.
didn't napom complain after that the judges were french and thats why they voted for river and acted overall immature? Neither legend behavior nor "friend"ly. That's all offstage. Look up his thoughts on the GBB 2023 loss.
@@AmSeris that’s not at all how he was on his live stream when he got home idk that doesn’t sound like Napom to me but I could
Be wrong. Sounds like a fan fiction to me
@@AmSeris if you look 2 judges were french but they were 1 for Napom and 1 for river lol gene even voted river
@@chrisshanteau5353 "fuck beatbox judging, fuck all this pushy shit being gay and voting for the guy you're scared that he'd feel bad and feel sad about it" "the two french guys voted for river, no shit, then skiller voted for river too" " I got robbed in GBB, i should've won the finals, and that's all I gotta say" "I disagree with the decision"
Yeah overall immature and hardly "friend"ly. Just a sore loser moment. With that in mind, I'm sorry but his behavior during the battle just comes off arrogant for sure.
@@chrisshanteau5353 Not a fan fiction. It was in one of his drunk livestreams. He expresses his disappointment, and claims French Bias. There was already fringe theories of french bias, but when runner up and one of the biggest beatboxers says it, everybody parroted it. This is why Julard and Robin's win was also criticized now. You can see in the latest U18 final battles, people commenting a lot on how Marvelous should have won.
Love hearing the outside perspective. I do agree with you that the arrogant "rap battle" energy feels old and antithetical to making good music. I think you would really enjoy watching Wing from South Korea. His rounds in this competition are so incredible, and he's got that patient calm vibe you were describing.
I have to check Wing out
hahaha I was really surprised that you reacted to this video.
Your point of view without experience in beatbox was actually very accurate from my perspective. During the event (October 2023) and these last few days that the video was released, there were many people who criticized the judges' decision (it is worth noting that they are experienced people and that they are there for a reason) since for many River is musically well, but for them in battle it only has to be technique (which for me is a misconception because the competition is about seeing who is the best beatboxer, and that leads to meeting certain requirements such as technicality, originality, structure, cleaning and other things outside of beatbox such as stage presence). For me it was a fair victory for River, although Napom didn't do a bad job either. In terms of variety, it was vastly superior and also structurally made more sense than what Napom did. And as for what you said that maybe Napom sounds better live, that's right; His liprolls sound hyper powerful, in fact he is the only one who has so much control and power in that technique.
I hope that the other comments on this video are respectful, since lately there have been many people who disrespect even the artists themselves.
Finally, that reference at the end of the Napom battle refers to River trying to musically imitate Gene Shinozaki, who is a beatboxer who excels at that (and who was on the jury). The truth is that that reference didn't make sense in my opinion, but hey, I guess it's funny.
I hope you see more beatbox videos soon, last month the wildcard stage for gbb2024 began and there are really very interesting videos.
Thank you very much for bringing the video and greetings from Argentina.
Finally I forgot to thank you for your serious reaction, without crazy faces and exaggerations.
Yea, I'll never do fake reactions. Lol there are so many interesting folks on youtube trying to maintain something that's not organic
I do understand your point of view as a drummer but i think what some people sometimes forget is there is a rapbattle type dynamic going on. So for me Napom took the battle for the "battle-reason". Also the Gene thing what was going on is a reference to the fact River is kinda biting the vocal stuff i dont know the name off right now.
A lot of fans like the battle talk, but it’s not the main factor in who wins.
@@YnEoS10it is a factor though a big one. That’s why counters are such a big thing
@@YnEoS10It actually is a main factor, Especially when it's a good counter.
@@YnEoS10its actually one of the biggest
well its apparently not the biggest factor if you lose the battle. Its also a thing Alem also mentions in his analysis, Napom's counter wins battle points but what he does after is too familiar and not enough for Alem to give him the whole round. A good counter can be a deciding factor all else being equal, but all else wasn't equal in this case.
Always fun to see beatbox through your lenses, keep up the amazing videos!
Best and most respectful beatbox reactions on TH-cam! Please dont stop these beatbox reactions. Your outside insight and attention to detail is so refreshing and gives these artists the respect they deserve!
it is always beautiful to see another beatboox video from you. thanks a lot!!
Really really curious to hear your thoughts on this one. Was a very divisive battle!
In terms of the Gene reference, he influenced River in switching between different vocal techniques to do arpeggios, but their sound sets are pretty different, and I dunno if the joke lands well since River clearly adapts it to his own style and sound.
nah man respect to napom for keeping the "battle" in battles. without him it might as well just be a showcase competition
I really love your reaction and analysis. Keep it doing it, man. Moch love.
I love that you've entered our community as a listener. I would be doing you a disservice if I didn't inform you they are actually awarded points if they can counter the others routine AND they could be docked points for only beatboxing to the crowd vs. battling their opponent.
That double bass is called double bass as a matter of fact xD
It combines lip bass and throat bass at the same time
big request to react to the german loopstation battles rn they are probably the best loopers out there, id recommend starting with lennard vs friidon the variety in their music was insane while not going too out there with the devices tht u see nowadays when pple just make stuff from outta nowhere lol. also the energy in the battle was INSANE
much love
This was a no contest. DRT had the purest evaluation. Unfortunately in battles like this, some judges are on name and popularity, over presented skills. I seen a popular guy win on an off day, when he clearly lost.
River it's a next step in beatboxing who will inspire a lot of people in the future
Welcome back
Napom takes it for me cuz he is so powerful, you should check out wing vs napom and momimaru vs river for some groove
If you liked this one musically you'd love Kenny Urban and Napom CNBC 2018 showcase
Omg at the start i wasnt really vibing with River and right off the bat i loved the US dudes sound, but hearing Tony very clearly articulate things i missed from River and made me switch my ear for it all by River round 2. Tony the best out here man, really makes me appreciate music so much more 🙌
Happy to hear you appreciate the approach
Live, livestream and official video are all very different.
I assume you are aware of all the whys and wherefores regarding them so im not gonna go into it. But at this event live a lot of rivers sound got lost, specifically his tight/acute sounds. Napoms bass was unhinged live. During the livestream the same thing could be said. However, official video is a stark contrast. You can hear all of rivers sounds. Napoms bass however is a lot more toned down. Theres been a fair amount of GBB beatboxers that have said the same. That Swiss' (event holders) sound design isnt very inclusive and geared towards certain styles of beatbox.
Im a huge Napom fanboy, but he lost this one. He didnt bring his A-game. All of his previous rounds this competition were better than the one he brought to this final. River is outstanding. But.
Ego. You said that Napom was being aggressive with the counter and his actions during rivers round. However, judges have a category called originality. It holds a LOT of points. Enough to sway a battle. Napom pioneered and mastered the liproll. Every single beatboxer uses it. So his originality points are very high. However, River (as stated in one of his jokes) leaned on Genes style and took from it aggressively. Im not saying they sound the exact same. But a lot Rivers WOW factors are Genes style. Napom isnt pointing out that River is a fraud. I think they are simply pointing the difference out between the two of them. Simply for points.
Its a shame this final is shrouded in much drama. However, i think this final was just the final spark that set alight the war between "battle vs musicality" which is good. I sincerely dont believe both can coexist. Its too difficult to judge as they are both vastly different. Beatboxers have to change their style for battle, and similarly for musicality. The more categories that beatboxing has, the more growth there will be. Whilst we think that music has many genres like Heavy metal, classical, jazz and pop. It woule be hard to judge whats "better" in a battle setting.
Thank you for reacting and giving a fresh take on a very annoying subject at the moment xD
I would also like to add. Yes. The official video has a lot of manufacturing done to it. They have an audio technician called Synjo that does the mixes for both live and official video. But 9/10 they sound very different. Almost like 2 different performances.
Heads up… Napom freestyled all of this, the counter and grooves where all of the top…
I honestly thought he won this with the counters and battle elements, BUT it really could have gone either way and River was still a Worthy winner 👏👏👏👏
Love your bbx vids man 🔥🔥
Judges consider any sound you can produce a part of beatboxing. They see their entire vocal tract as the instrument
This battle is going to divide the entire community just like so many other have love the battle I'm okay with River winning but I do think they should do freestyle battles
River is absolutely insane Dude, it's almost as if he invents new sounds with his body. Wild Stuff, what a Beast
the triplet snare isn't new we know he can already do that. The first drop he did in the second round isn't new too.
crazy thing is Napom got all the way to the finals freestyling every round and the elimination.
River definitely has an ego too, his ego is to pretend like his opponent is basic and terrible. He very often acts unimpressed and makes faces and gestures to the crowd in mockery of his opponent which i personally find more rude than the battle mentality of getting in someones face.
Trying to share a stage with that level of pompousness and disrespect is bound to make a person frustrated, and i believe thats what we witnessed with Napom's aggression.
Theyre just trying to throw the other person out of the zone, and everyone has their own method. Some people like pacmax just act like a clown on stage, and making your opponent laugh you could imagine would also take them out of the zone.
I really really think you should watch Dlow - Sound sketch
Napom freestyles his structure, that's why he's all over the place sometimes.
I got that feeling. Structure within improvised material is a skillset that can be developed
Another perspective, beatbox has developed to a point where it’s nearly impossible to win battles fully freestyling your rounds. Napom and a couple others still do it, and it stands out and is refreshing in that context. Most battlers plan the perfect 1 minute 30 seconds or maybe 1 minute 15 seconds to leave room for a rebuttal. That said, napom’s rounds are always clearly a little more all-over-the-place compositionally and I definitely wouldn’t be listening to them on Spotify.
I really wanna see you react to some of napoms actual songs (for example "roll like this") where he actually composed something that has a theme....napom usually freestyles in battles and most of the other guys have practiced these beats a million times and know exactly what they will do every round. This is the only format you've seen napom in so please check out some of his stuff out
Lol yea, being prepared for a competition and not improvising the set generally yields good fucking results 😅
i really need your reaction to the previous battle "wing vs abo ice" is sooo crazy. Love your reactions and analisis
men! with all the love and respect, stop saying "with all my ignorance"!!😅
the fact that you dont know the beatbox lenguage is nothing to do compared with the fact that you are musican. And the beatbox is music. So you don't have any ignorance in respect. In fact, you have so many thing to aport!
as always, thanks men.
From Japan. This has nothing to do with this reaction, but just a quick announcement. Two official live videos from the same concert as the last BAND-MAID reaction have been uploaded. If you haven't noticed, please check them out. The songs are 1. "HATE?" 2. "don't let me down" I am a huge fan of BAND-MAID and you.😄
The counter of the 2nd round in beatboxing is the highest scoring thing. It's a battle, aggression is perfect in a counter and he countered the most impressive difficult beatbox technique that river did.
That hand gesture is hes repeating it and not progressing which is kinda viable since it was just some slight variation and fillers
doesn't make a lot of sense when napom just spams liprolls in every battle and all his drops are liprolls
I agree with the judges here, 3-2 for River. For me the battle was close, from a beatbox perspective River is more structured and complex, meanwhile Napom controls better the energy of the battle and he's also really powerful and complex (not as much as River in this case). D-low (who was judging this) also said that you can appreciate River more in video, and Napom is a beast live, so that's also something to take into consideration.
Overall tho River was more consistent imo, especially because Napom has some flat moments because he kinda lacks a little bit in structure sometimes. I still enjoyed the whole battle, and I can see why some people would give it to Napom, but I guess that is just preference when the battle is this close.
Yay I was one of the people that said this one!
So was I!!
yo man you gotta react to colaps vs zekka from gbb21, it is honestly the best battle in all of grand beatbox battle and has some really nice beat patterns that you could disect
Napom deserved the championship.
Me personally would recommend you to listen to wing's gbb 2023 round 1 wildcard . It's peak musicality.
If you do analysis of game soundtracks, I think a really cool piece for you to look at would be Deep Stone Lullaby from Destiny 2. It might be change of pace from what you usually listen to but I guarantee it's worth it.
ohh yeaaahhh another Tony beatbox reaction
yooo you HAVE to react to napoms other battles!! it was insane
Your take has changed more perception a little but not my verdict. Always enjoy the content.
I know that you have listen to Dark Souls 3 a few times already, but with all of its features, there is nothing that tops Slave Knight Gael, and i think that you in particular will love it!
cool reaction
Would love for you to check out D-low sbx kickback battles. They're amazing.
Yo Tony!!! Sick reaction and break down. NaPoM is a very battle heavy beatboxer. In person and always he has a “swaggy” personality on stage it’s his style! Beatbox wise river is much stronger, but it’s the battle effect for many. I also think rover destroyed this though. I hope you react to more gbb23 videos! Look at Wing Vs About Ice you will be shocked man!
"Beatbox wise River is much stronger" WOW 😮
I think you would love to listen to any of Codfish's battles, they're absolutely legendary and I watched his battles so many times a few years ago
btw idt thats his ego.....hes just joking around....hes a really chill guy
can you get a reaction to osis gbb24 wildcard?
Love seeing other peoples opinions that arent based around agenda, so many Napom fanboys crying saying he got robbed. They forget its not based just purely on battle aspects. I dont think Napoms "ego" is so much ego, hes just having fun really, hes already won a gbb and been in many finals.
Reacciona al opening de Tokyo Ghoul "Unravel"
Great video as always Tony!! Just love your commentary ❤
Now i really recommend you to check out "As You Like It" by Eve. ❤❤
more beatbox videos pls
You are watching a BATTLE, Napom was battling, why do you see something wrong in that ? :P
I don't. I think I was pretty clear on my outside interpretation several times in this video. But also like, I'm obviously going to value musicianship and show design over ego. 😂 like, one is a developed skillset one is a persona
Also Best battle of the whole tournament was Napom vs Wing. That should have been the final.
i hope you can also react on DEMIPON SLAYER SONGS
More GBB24 please!
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please react to 'hakujitsu' by king gnu it's really good song
Yeah, the ego got annoying after a while, but the grooves were there. River seemed more impressive from a technical and creative standpoint.
I mean River also had a massive ego throughout the entire competition
well i mean thats the point, its a beatbox “battle”
@@gabbbb5492 A beatbox battle, not an ego battle.
PS: Haten championship has been more enjoyable imo because they beatboxed to have fun and to entertain the crowd
Please react to all black clover openings
Not trying to take anything away from River he was def great and deserved to win but people tend to forget how much better he sounds after the video is edited compared to what was happening live and i think thats another reason so many people thought Napom took this.
I'm curious what edits took place vs the live. Isn't this audio recording direct from the board? Are you suggesting that only River's performances were "edited" and the other was not? Are we not hearing the same listening environment for both performers? Lol how does this work
@@DrumRollTonyReactsI don't think they do any crazy editing but they for sure touch up everyone's round. Definitely not saying only Rivers was edited. It's just a lot harder to differentiate their cleanliness/power difference on the videos they put out. River just has a lot harder of a style with his sounds/combos on the live mic. I still do think River took this though because Napom messed up with his time management IMO.
@@DrumRollTonyReacts in river's 2nd round small details techniques were present , which judges and crowd couldnt hear some details of river live, but as we speak about the video right now its intresting that just little bit of editing it showcased river really well the details were more visible. although nothing to take away from river its that sometimes sounds just dont come out live that well, no fault of participant it just that we need studio to get those details. and speaking of napom there wasnt much to bring out of napom through editting as he didnt used much details , more so bass.
my whole river vs napom thoughts ,
it definitely seemed napom had ego although if you see from our perspective napom was just being funny , let me clarify he was the most experienced beatboxer on this gbb23 , as he was familiar with the stage , for him it was party , dude was just enjoying himself freely Popping bubble wrap.
i was quite frustrated at comments on the original river vs napom video , they were saying river's 1 round was useless. they commented this way cause beatboxing hasnt gone to professional level yet so community seems to be lacking proffessional perspective. I'm glad tony you have same thoughts as me about river's 1st round.
also for judges ,common beatboxers the history of sound matters a lot , different sounds have different history, the bass you heard in napom's 1st round is created with liproll , for us sounds are like mechanical parts of cars, even tho what river did was complex and napom seemed simple for you tony but in reality napom had the best car engine in the world "liproll".
i always love to watch your whole videos, any questions ?
@jhsofficialbluray4573 I can't fathom someone calling the first round worthless 🤯It was FULL of great musicianship. When you read comments like that, you just have to remember that anyone with an internet connection can type. Like... what have they achieved in their life musically? Probably nothing.
Napom should’ve won really. It’s a beatbox battle not a showcase
He just got robe bro 🤒
I’m interested what you think because I was rooting for River but still though Napom won… even D-Low voted Napom (but was obviously outvoted)
Edit: this video actually changed my mind about the winner
We need more beatbox reactions but especially loopstation
When will there be red dead redemption 2 music videos?
That's a good question
Hiya. For me it was a huge fight, although in my opinion and not only mine, but also of other famous beatboxers, Napom was robbed of the victory. The fight itself was specific and at the highest level.
who are those beatboxers? "robbed" means you/they think the decision was unjust or napom is clearly the winner. i think it was a close battle
@threeeyedmutatedfish i mean it was close up until napom's counter... afterwards it's pretty hard to say it was close now that river's second round was pretty much obsolete