Reising Model 60 - A Wartime Semiauto Carbine
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- The Reising Model 60 was the semiautomatic-only variant of the Reising Model 50 submachine gun. Offered side by side with the submachine guns, the Model 60 was also chambered for .45ACP and used the same magazines and a closed-bolt operating system that was identical except for the lack of a full auto option on the safety/selector switch.
The Model 60 was made between 1943 and 1949, and only about 3250 were made in total. They were used by a variety of factory guards, railway guards, and police units during WWII - people who needed a firearm, but not necessarily the amount of firepower available from a fully automatic one. H&R promoted the Model 60 (with its 18.25 inch barrel) as a particularly accurate gun suitable for making precise shots at longer ranges that could be done with an SMG.
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Ian has the greatest way of putting things. I can just see it now: Some sleepy overnight security guard is sitting at his desk eating a doughnut while monitoring video camera feeds when he suddenly sees a flood of Fallschirmjäger storming the building.
At least he's well-armed with a Zip 22 and a Cobray Terminator!
What is he guarding with those arms, the Central Bank of Elbonia?
Damn it, the arms procurers for Elbonia have made their way to the private security sector.
That's a clean little rifle. Give it a better mag and it would sell today.
Agreed, and also just make the stock out of more cost effective lighter weight materials, and market it to security guards, and people for home defense, and I could see it selling well enough to make a small profit if it's $350 and under.
Pistol caliber carbines are making a comeback, and something like the model 60 could find a strong market someplace like California since it doesn't have that evil black plastic and pistol grip. And, hell, I`d buy one. As long as they didn't go crazy on price like the new M1 Carbines.
Idk, to make a modern reproduction to the quality of the old it would likely be close to modern M1 repros in price. Theres no way its going to be under 350, realistically probably double that.
Yes youre right about that, but I think the initial tooling up cost is what would really determine if a company took the risk. I guess salable price point depends on what an individual person thinks reasonable? Im basing this off other similar guns like the sub2k which MSRPs new for more than $500. And that has sold well, who knows how well this will sell... So is $5-600 reasonable for most people? idk
Laird Cummings - This would actually be fine as-is here in California if the magazine was permanently blocked to 10 rounds. It can use detachable magazines because it doesn't have any evil features. I wouldn't mind having one.
Very handsome carbine. Ian makes compelling reasons to own one but I'd have it just for the way it looks
Looks like a m1 carbine and a ruger 10/22 made love and produce this child in .45 acp.
Ha! That is exactly what I thought, too.
The Reising Model 65 is almost identical to this but in .22lr.
My thought immediately was a Benjamin Sheridan air rifle and Thompson sub. :)
What a lovely child they had
I have one of these, bought it years ago, I had 2 of them but at the range one day a man offered me way more than I paid for it, or it was worth, but I still have the one 60 its very accurate, and has been to the range many times, I buy Military Surplus .45 cal ammo for it, I'll keep this one in the collection for good. Now these are crazy expensive, I remember seeing these for sale in the 1970s and 1980s for under $ 200 Bucks should of grabbed 4 or 5 of them, back then.
i could totally see H&R remaking this rifle in 10mm as a hunting rifle
In 10mm and
.45acp and accepts 1911 mags....
The way the mag well is designed could be setup to
take glock, 1911 single+double stack, or whatever the flavor of the month.......
With all the interest in PCCs I can see this in many calibers.....
H&R went out of Business in the 80's. Numrich ended up buying a bunch of left over M50 Reising SMG's at the bankruptcy auction and sold them off in the early 90's. I bought one in 1990 for $550.
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I live two minutes away from where these guns were made, and I am right down the street from Kahr arms who still makes the Thompson under the Auto Ordnance name. H&R still makes gun barrels a few buildings down from the Worcester airport. Marlin use to have a factory a few blocks wide in downtown before it burned down. Parts of the Reising I'm pretty sure were mostly made up by the airport here along with anything marked H&R of Worcester Mass. the funny thing is that they really should have been marked H&R Cherry Vally or H&R of Leicester Mass.....good video.
Interesting action with that Linear Hammer. Thank you Ian for showing something that most of us will probably never get a chance to see due to their rarity.
If someone made this today for a reasonable price, it would sell very well. The design allows for easy conversion to other magazines, so you can either produce magazines for it, or use existing ones. Pistol caliber carbines are very popular right now.
Marlin Camp Carbine.
Videos like this one are a big part of why I'm a patreon supporter. Keep 'em coming!
I have heard of these a few times and have seen photos. Nice to see one in detail. Very practical for its intended purposes. I have Marlin Camp Carbines in both 9mm and 45. The 45 is especially accurate. It's a good gun for new shooters due to low recoil and ease of use. Set it up with a Pentax red dot for home defense use for my now ex-wife- she wasn't big on the shotgun. The Reising woukd have been great for guards and cops back in the day- i would have felt well-armed with 20 rounds of 45 on tap, and a spare mag. And it's about as quick as a lever action, with a better rate of fire. Pcc's are surprisingly useful. It's even legal here in Kalifornia with a 10 round mag (pin a 12 rounder)- no prob with a Marlin, just use 8 or 10 round 1911 mags. I would love a carbine in 38 Super or 357 Sig- the velocity gain would be significant. H&R made a lot of nice stuff in tbe past. My 50's era Garand is an H&R. Great video as always. Thank you
Reising 60 can accept model 50 parts without any modifications. It is similar to converting a M1 to M2 carbine.
Lol oh shit, so are the full auto parts on the market or are they regulated in the same way as the M2?
I understand the desire to keep the charging handle "out of the way" so that some schlub of a security guard doesn't get it caught on something, but this design might have gone overboard on that.
what handsome lines. and lustrous parkerizing that model 60 has. thank you,Ian.
Excellent presentation thank you for your time posting this very interesting information.
Thanks for the video as I was looking for a breakdown and cleaning tutorial. I have an M60 SN 1770 it has different sights it has redfeild peep sights. This was handed down to me when my uncle passed it came with 3 different barrels 2 stocks 8 20 round mags and spare parts. A lot of fun to shoot
I have #1744, ex LAPD gun, my dad bought it in the late ‘60s from a dealer that bought the entire lot from LAPD.
Love it! And I think Ian does too. I have a feeling he'll be bidding on it as well!
Wow there are far more Reisings than I had anticipated...
Having owned a Model 50, I found it an excellent range gun and perfect for machinegun instruction for my shooting and non-shooting friends. However, in never considered it a weapon I would want to use in combat conditions. It didn't handle being dirty very well.
Something about the Reising models is just so satisfying. I can't put my finger on it, but I just love it.
Same, ive always thought they were cool ever since looking at one of those historical gun books when I was a kid. I think its the whole 'the WWII gun everyone forgets about' thing. Probably the same reason I like the 1917 revolver, I like oddball stuff.
nice ,thank you for making this video
Was there any advantage to this over the M1 Carbine? Obviously less range and power than the .30 Carbine, but I imagine this barely had any recoil.
Thank you, Gun Jesus.
Don't be an idiot. His name is Ian. Which is why he begins every video with "My name is Ian."
Don't be a Random User. Your parents gave you a name. ;P
Hilarious! He is the omnisiah, the machine god, the gun jesus!!
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When I had Reisings %0 55 and 60 , I tied a piece of Parachute cord throw the Hole in the Charging Handel and Loop it over the trigger housing , Just how I did it
Thanks for giving me something to watch when I got nothing to do and am sitting in my dorm!
i looked up fallschirmjager, you learn something everyday. thx ian.
Great video. Love the channel...
These are great shooters, they had a lot of reliability issues, but as a semi-auto carbines just ran better.
they could run horrible i dont care haha i would like one i love the look
What a little beauty!
Just goes to show, never be as unprepared as we were prior to WWII.
We didn't learn our lesson, Korea shows that.
I would like to see someone bring this onto the market today by chopping two inches from the barrel, and lengthening the stock a little so that it is proportioned like the Model 50, then adding the compensator and cooling fins, and beefing up the magazines. It would make for a slick looking pistol caliber carbine.
It looks Way up there on the cool factor , And I would seriously buy one if it was made today
I freakin like that carbine. I believe that would actually sell on today’s market. I mean how much could it possibly be to produce. Even if it was 1000 bucks I would still buy it
I want 1 sooo badly such a cool gun!
Hey Ian, do you think that someday you would be able to get into the backrooms of the Springfield Armory museum to take a look at some of the early light rifle prototypes for a Bergmann style series?
Those T25 (particularly the .224 version) and T47s are way cool and the T44e1's rate reducer is also a neat little "what could have been"
Very cool.
I have one of these, serial number 1869. Mint condition too!
Can you do a video on the De Lisle carbine? I think it would be really interesting.
Yes, one is coming.
Forgotten Weapons Great! Thanks for replying!
I wonder if gun jesus will be back this Halloween/Christmas
there is one out there i think its on ians other site he actually fires one
Ian have you ever thought about going to Germany and doing a video on the g11
Lassi Kinnunen h&k has something called the grey room where they keep all their interesting guns it is just a matter of Being invited
bob billybob bet with is popularly he could ask but if he's going he's going to do everything they have and that's a lot of planing and cost
getting to see the kraut space magic would be great i wonder if it'll ever happen
Laird Cummings I assume it is mostly due to it being in black ops 1 where it of course performs flawlessly
If you pay for it , I bet he would ;)
I think Ian should take up hand modeling
About the disassembly procedure: I have seen an expression that suggests that "soldier proof" is better than "foolproof".
That isn't because soldiers are stupid (they are no more or less stupid than anyone else), but because soldiers need to be able to operate their equipment - without breaking it - in the field, in the dark, after having been awake for two days without food, while somebody is shooting at them.
Any equipment that fits those criteria is indeed soldier proof.
Cheers,certainly a new one on me
Is the charging handle practical? It has always struck me as incredibly unergonomic. Besides that, fantastic video as always Ian! I love the way you tell stories and talk about the practical usage of these firearms.
you gonna plcae a bid on this one Ian? Seems right up your alley.
Awesome, my dad has a Reising 60, ex-LAPD gun, serial 17xx, he bought it in 1969 or 70 for 125 dollars. Apparently after the Watts riots, the police commission forced the department to sell off its rifles and machine guns, and one LAPD officer bought the entire lot at auction. He was trying to sell them at his own gun shop as well as to other gun and pawn shops, and at all the LAPD towing companies (which is where my pop worked) Came with a sling and a pair of 20 rd mags. No, he won’t sell it lol
Had no idea that Reising made anything beyond the submachine gun. But it is easy to see the similarities between the two.
I wish someone would remake these. It's classic looking weapon that is less complicated than the old Marlin Camp Carbine. I'd buy one. The original is a bit out of my reach.
I've always love the reising weapons.. too bad there's not much of them around.. also I hope that the guns would be in games.
...and Reising Model 60 values skyrocket.
That's a good looking firearm :)
Beautiful firearm! Just a simple, clean, rifle in a very easy firing round. It would be fun to take out shooting.
Cool gun
The great artist Steve Ditko often depicted police officers and armed guards using Reising Model 60s in early issues of "The Amazing Spider-Man".
Other iconic '50s US militaria I remember featured in Marvel comics would be the M47 Patton tanks with their distinctive T-shaped barrels that the Incredible Hulk would tie in knots, and the old OG 107 fatigue uniforms - I've still occasionally wear an old GI Joe shirt I bought in an army surplus store in the '80s. When I do, I'm careful not to annoy any mild-mannered scientists I might meet...🙄...especially if they're wearing purple trousers.
Great vid Ian. Did you know that H&R made a .22 trainer based on these Reising designs? I have one, the model 165 which was a commercial version. Keep up the good work!
I have a Model 65. Does your 165 have a very heavy trigger? My 65's is very heavy, but they are cool rifles nevertheless.
3ducs ....yes, my 165 has a very heavy trigger. Very accurate though. Is yours U.S. Property marked and if so.....wanna sell it to me? Haha! ;)
Wow that's cool! I'd like to see one
The use of a punch to hold the op-rod back is basically identical to the Ruger Police Carbine. The op-rods on both guns look quite similar as well. The Police Carbine seems to be pretty much forgotten now.
I had a Sears Model 25 that had almost the identical disassembly method, linear hammer, safety was the same, (was converted to blow-back); the only great difference was that it was tube fed.
Could you pretty please do a video on the Xm8? It needs some love
Try a fishing channel
lol
Blackwood Security I think he meant the rifle, not the tank.
Blackwood Security That's entertaining. Someone mentions there's a rifle not just a tank, so you go to denigrating it. Nice.
it's a joke, not a dick, don't take it so hard.
dude its just a joke about the xm8 looks like a fish a bit. take your chill pill
I get a PPD/PPsh vibe off the Reisings... And ive read before that when adopted soldiers were trained to use them (im talking the model 50/55 here) like a semi-auto carbine that just happened to have full-auto if you needed it.
My question is since theyre the same as the SMG 50/55 does that mean you can drop the full-auto parts into a 60, like you can an M2 full auto parts into an M1 carbine?
A little late, but is the bolt face angled to account account for the tilt of the bolt?
Cute gun! That'd make a nice range toy.
Interesting about SBR's initially being 18" barrel minimums. The story of how that went down to 16" (under GCA '68?) would be interesting.
With the epic levels of valor on display in cogress, I wouldn't hold my breath.
A republican passed that shit so maybe it takes a republican to remove it, who knows might work lol.
@Stanley Jedrzejczyk Why does his religion matter?
Would it have more power with the longer barrel ? What would the muzzle velocity be ?
would love to see it in a competition
perfectly useful for a home defense gun!
How dare you. My grandfather was killed by Fallschirmjäger whilst guarding a power plant.
You’ve stolen my childhood!
And my hopes and dreams!
HOW DARE YOU!!
On an earlier video, I asked Ian for help on the name of those sights referred to optical sights in the battlefield 1 game. You know, the one with 2 lenses as front and rear sights? Well I found the name!! It's called a Galilean sight. Some smle rifles had the same but were called letty sights...
People criticize the cocking method because there is no bolt holdback but in fact, there is, a piece of stick dropped in there makes a fine holdback and sticks are everywhere. Can't find a stick? Use a cartridge.
I do wonder how these sold post war when M1 carbines were everywhere.
This looks cool, but I like the Thompson, too!
Am I the only thinking that the system is pure genius?
What was the first closed bolt sub machine gun?
Roland the Reising Gunner just doesn't cut it. :-)
Hi Ian. I have the H&R Model 65, very similar to this, but in 22LR. Are you familiar with it?
My friend has found one of these with the long, 18.25 inch barrel but it has retained the 28-count cooling ribs. I haven't been able to find any examples or images of a Model 60 nor Model 50 or 55 with a long barrel along with the 28 ribs. I hear the early M60s had this, but sources that say this often claim "it's been heard of" or something vague along those lines, so it doesn't seem very definitive as an answer. Does anyone know about this?
Yes. Some have ribs.
I have one with ribs as well. I think most were smooth, though. You tend to find a bit of variation with these (example: most are parkerized; some are blued). Do you know which finish the one your friend found has?
Does it take flock mags ?
HELP!
I'm sure someone watching these videos will know this. I think understand the difference between open and closed systems but what are the advantages of both types? I get that having a bolt going forward in an open system as the trigger is pulled can affect accuracy, and I guess in certain SMGs that's not really an issue but there must be other advantages to an open bolt, otherwise it wouldn't be a thing?
Replacing the 12 round magazine holder with a 20 round magazine holder should be a breeze.
The Hi Point carbine of it's era? Just joking.
Precise shooting for a guard, with a stock, sling, and fore-grip (Everything you need to tie into a stable firing position, with minimal training compared to pistols) means less stray shots bouncing around the valuables they're supposed to be guarding. Even if it's not a museum, or auction house, a lot of gurus talk about a 12 gauge as the ultimate in home defense, but I don't want to be bouncing 000 lead balls around the stuff I'm trying to protect, because it's My Stuff. I'd much rather put a couple of precise .45 caliber holes in the guy that's threatening them, than basically throw a dice-bag, and hope for a reasonable number of hits. But when protecting your stuff, it's up to you want's more important. With a .45caliber carbine, like that, it's shit simple to double-tap, accurately, and still minimize colateral damage. I reach for the 12 gague for shooting at clay, and birds on the wing. Much better suited for that purpose.
I have a feeling you want to place a bid on this one, Ian:)
Seems like the charging handle would be less of an issue with a side-mounted sling.
1:39 Fallschirmjäger (Parashute-Hunter), the ä is pronounced as a combo of a+e (the 2 points above the "a" used to be an "e" following the "a", later an "e" written above the "a", and through several more iterations finally turning into the form of 2 points above the "a")
Its funny how pelletgunish it looks, especially when you start to take it apart.
Arent you technically supposed to use the hammer spring instead of a punch on the charging handle and mainspring guide?
I can't believe you don't like Tommy Guns: especially the early ones with the the drum mag. For all its faults it is a handsome sexy mother.
And, since the Model 50 is a select-fire weapon, even though the model 60 is a semi-auto, shooting this thing is pretty much the same as shooting the Model 50 when it's set to semi-auto.
my reising has a broken bolt, any suggestions out there? thanks!
Doesn’t sound promising! No-one has any suggestions or interest!
Hey man you should check out the Remington Model 7188.
I wonder why they didn't make .30 carbine version
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Forgotten Weapons lol thanks!
I like that the consensus to that rifle is "...why not just buy an M1?"
Mellisco this thing predates the m1 carbine and the model 60 was for civies it wasn't till after the war like late 50s till the m1/m2 was available and that was as they were being surpluses
.30 Carbine is a much higher pressure cartridge than .45 ACP, it really needs a locked breech, which usually incurs more cost to manufacture than a blowback or delayed blowback design.
Why are there not more carbines in 45 acp, i think they're pretty handy especially in a concrete jungle. All you really have to choose from is the vector, hi-point, and that's pretty much it.(im sure there's some AR version out there somewhere)
That H&R didn't keep making guns like these is probably why they went belly up and bought out.
Do you have a favorite gun out of all your videos?
I like it. Wish I could have one in canada
Another advantage the Reising has over the Thompson, not specified by Ian: doesn't have the Thompson's appalling length of pull.
THis is a better carbine then any of the ones on the market today. Make a version of this with a Glock magazine and it would sell.
scott baber screw plastic magazines, real guns use metal ones.
Dude, you never shot a Reising Magazine have you? They are quite possibly the worst magazine ever.
Does anyone have the exact overall length and weight of the Model 60? Not the M50 or M55.
16:36 referred to he Reising as a thompson :P
I wonder if you could fire the gun and use it without the stock....
"Look at our product! Slightly better than what whe had to do by law anyway!" *lol* 18 1/4" barrel; but i like it, looks clean.
How did this not get into the hands of the men on the front lines. This looks like it would go toe to toe with the m1 carbine.
I assume the bullet speed on such long barrel with blowback is equivalent to that of a regular 1911 pistol! It will gain speed, but eventually will start to lose it due to the friction and blowback pressure loss! Can someone to confirm it?
Berserkr01 from what I understand the .45acp 230gr ball ammo is is best suited for 5inch 1911 barrels and barely sees an increase in velocity pat 6-7 inches
www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/45auto.html