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Excellent work Keith. Thanks for being thorough! That’s a lot of ink for only 1 week and I don’t have deep pockets. You have saved me from making a huge mistake.
An excellent video again Keith. Understanding the best way to minimise the use of ink for the maintenance process is key. As a previous owner of Pro-1000 regular use is absolutely key. It might be useful for prospective owners to understand the maintenance cartridge.... and how that being full disables the printer, until it is replaced....ie always have a spare available!! Again thank you for all your hard work
I was just reminded that even if I leave the printer on, shutting off may be beyond my control. Where I live, we occasionally have brief power outages. Sometimes only for a second. Sometimes longer (over the last six years, our standby generator has accumulated 216 hours run time.) I didn't give that a thought until yesterday. Annual maintenance of our standby generator was done. Part of the maintenance check is to shut off the power from the grid for a few seconds to be sure the generator starts up (normal start up is 3-4 seconds.) Power off and then back on. All is good. I didn't give that another thought until this morning when I noticed the kitchen microwave clock was off, as was the coffee maker. Oh crap! Went upstairs and guess what? The 1100 was off. Of course it was. I've just set up to flush a batch of perfectly good ink. I left the printer off and logged onto Amazon. Cyberpower 425VA battery backup is now on the way. Delivery tomorrow. I won't power the printer on again until I get that UPS and plug into it. Battery backup--essential with this printer if you have even momentary power outages. $55 today may save me five times that--or more--in a year! An uninterruptable power supply is not just for your computer and internet router anymore.
Thanks, Keith, for this most illuminating analysis and report. The 1100 uses 5% of ink when powering on! Where I live, we have momentary power outages or brownouts probably averaging two a month. We also lose power for 30 minutes or more six to 8 times a year. For that latter longer outage, which sometimes might be 8 hours or more (think hurricane Beryl), we have a Kohler automatic natural gas standby generator, which comes on five seconds after a power outage. Bottom line, even leaving the 1100 turned on, it will be shut off maybe 30 times a year, and at 5% each time it is turned on, then we will lose 1.5 cartridges times 12 every year IF WE NEVER MAKE A SINGLE PRINT. At $60 each, that makes the cost of just owning the printer $1,080 a year. That made the decision to buy a $70 UPS just for the printer, an easy one. Now the UPS will keep power on to the printer for momentary outages and for longer outages the 5 seconds or so while waiting for the standby generator to start up. That brings our UPS count up to six: Internet router, fiber to ethernet converter, two computers, NAS, and now Pro-1100 printer. Makes me wish Epson had never discontinued the 3880.
Thanks for that - I guess it's easy here, to forget that the continuous electricity supply we expect and receive, is not a given in some parts of the world...
Thanks Keith: your findings about how much ink gets used whenever the Pro 1100 is powered on is very interesting. By and large, it sounds like it uses a comparable amount of ink to what gets used when you first set it up, which could mean that whenever you power it on, it dumps all ink that is in the ink lines/internal reservoirs and fills them up again with fresh ink. On the different topic of its automated self-cleaning cycles, perhaps you could consider mentioning that printing something (like a simple nozzle check, which uses very little ink) daily or every other day should be enough not to trigger self-cleaning cycles - just not to scare people off that they need to resign themselves to frequent self-cleaning cycles. I have been printing daily since I received mine so I have not experienced any yet, but perhaps it is something worth looking into. I mean, letting the Pro 1100 sit unused but powered on for say 48 hours and see if/when it performs a self-cleaning cycle. I realize that supervision of the machine over that time period may be an issue though! 😉 Maybe recording it could be a way to do it, I don’t know. Just a thought that crossed my mind. Thanks again for yet another interesting video.
Thanks - However, an important caveat - I did not say 'Whenever'... just that it did it after leaving a week ;-) No, it does not charge the lines, just runs cleaning [also, it uses far less ink than when first set up] What uses up a lot of ink is the set-up for transport - about 40% - that is similar to the initial charge.
Thank you for the videos Keith! I have only gone through a few but its helping me decide whether or not i want to dip my toes in the world of printing. Fantastic content.
Thanks - do remember that the videos are supplements for my actual written reviews Every one of these is also listed on my videos index page on my site www.northlight-images.co.uk/keith-cooper-photography-videos-index/
@@KeithCooper Any thoughts on what to do when ink in a cartridge reaches 10% and show warning for low ink? I know that doesn't mean empty but wondering if you need to do anything special when cartridge runs completely out
@@itaylorm Loads more use left at the warning stage. The carts will reach a point where it absolutely insists on changing - experience with the 1000 suggests that they will be truly empty. An empty cart may interrupt printing - on related printers you can hot-swap, but I notice in the manual it specifically warns that a panoramic print will be interrupted... ?? Read the manual! :-) :-) I take the 'low ink warning' just as a hint to order spare ink...
Brilliant information as usual Keith , this somewhat covers one of my previous questions about this subject relating to my Pro-300 and Pro-1000 . Though the printer menu's differ slightly I think I've made some changes to the good ! . I'll have to monitor the usage .
Hiya. I'm a professional photographer in Los Angeles. FWIW - I recently purchased an 1100. I've been having issues with faint roller marks on prints created by the rollers, particularly with Fine Art Baryta, The Hahnemule tech people were very helpful with trouble shooting with me. We succeeded in reducing the appearance of the marks but not eliminating them. Canon tech support was also helpful but quick to determine the unit needed to be replaced (something to do with the roller pins). Frustrating and costly given the amount of expensive paper and ink used trying to correct the issue only to have to replace the printer. If the issue persists with the replacement unit I'll return it and buy an Epson.
Interesting... I don't actually think they are roller marks as such [which tend to run along the length of the paper] If it's not too much trouble, could you email me [at Northlight Images] with some details about what Canon said? This would be very helpful in some questions I've raised with Canon here, in connection with my review and other queries I've received from several people.
This is great information! For me there was no need to change password from the default to get accounting software to work. I just had to print network settings to get random password set on my printer and set it to that canon accounting software.
Thanks Yes - a password is needed, but if you don't want a password on the printer it stops the accounting. Having a password on the printer is a real pain if you are experimenting - using the buttons on the front of the printer is not an easy interface.
Thank you for the very valuable and informative information, you always provide. Would love to have a pro 1000/1100 printer just can not justify it, yet
Another excellent video. Ink usage mirrors my experience. I had two P900s (first one replaced under warranty), which used way less ink, but had a poor paper feeding system that jammed or scratched paper, so I replaced it with a much more reliable, but thirsty Pro-1000. Canon's Accounting software is helpful, but as you note, doesn't include ink used in cleaning cycles. Similarly, the Red River information on ink use does not appear to include cleaning cycles as it shows the Pro-1000 and P900 to be similar, which they are clearly not. One comment, about leaving the printer switched on, if you have a power cut, the printer is very unhappy and seems to use even more ink to restart than if it was switched off (60g of ink). After a couple of years of ownership, I have become more relaxed about ink costs, even though I'm not a particularly high volume user. When you factor in the cost of paper and mounting, ink cost is pretty small, especially if you factor in the time spent taking and processing the images, as well as the sunk costs of camera gear. So I no longer sweat ink costs.
Thanks Keith, that was very useful. I would like one of these printers but I doubt that I would use it enough to justify it. The fact that you have demonstrated it consumes £25 worth of ink when you switch it on is sobering. I also believe that there may be an internal timer that periodically cleans the heads and lines even if it remains switched on and no prints are done. You might find that when you come to print something that the inks are low or run out. If you only print a few A2 prints a month then these might cost you £500 of ink alone.
Glad I got an Epson P900. I’ve had it for almost two years and it uses very little ink in maintenance and I barely print 3-5 times a month at times. A weekly nozzle check is all I do and that only prints a set of tiny grids on plain paper. It may not be as sturdy as the canon beast but it sips ink.
I had noticed that on my pro-1100, it seemed to auto power off after some time of inactivity (1 day or so?). That was on default settings. I’ll be changing the settings to stay on, and recommend the same to others. Kind of sneaky to have auto power off as a default setting if powering on uses so much ink.
Another great informative video Keith, thank you. Although my Pro-300 doesn't have "reserve tanks" to the best of my knowledge, can you say if the other principles you mentioned apply to it.? TIA
Thanks - Actually the 300 is fairly different. It doesn't do the same ink-dumping, but I have related videos for it - see my main review, which links to all www.northlight-images.co.uk/canon-pro-300-printer-review/
I had the pro 1000 and upgraded to the 1100. I donated the pro 1000 to a community college with a night photography class and they’re using it a lot more than I did. However, I use it enough to justify the ink but one trick that I learned is to use a program like Qimage And I have a Mac mini at home that’s connected directly to the printer. Every three days it print a test pattern and that seems to keep the ink at a decent rate. I
I have an imagePROGRAF PRO-1000. It stopped printing well so I'll give it away and buy the imagePROGRAF PRO-1100, just like I did with the model prior to the imagePROGRAF PRO-1000. They only last three to four years. Then you have to have them repaired, at quite a cost. I prefer to buy the newer model. Bear in mind that it is a very expensive hobby. If you don't print very often (two-three months between printing), like me, every time you want to print, expect an empty ink tank or two for each printing session. The rewards are very nice prints, although very costly!
Solid and well-researched advise. The main question after your videos on this printer now is, how do its prints compare to its main rival, the Epson P900's? As to ink consumption on "maintenance", it seems to me that the droplet size plays a role here - the Canon squirting a significantly larger smallest droplets than the Epson. A maintenance mechanic once said to me, print one colour print a week and the printer does not need to waste ink on "maintenance" - that to me is an easy choice. Not supporting a roll paper feeder is a theoretical disappointment. The P900 does that. However, on the practical side, this 1100 can process very long sheets cut beforehand, and if its ingestion system is as great as implied here and there, then that may completely defeat the need for a roll holder/feeder, plus is a pro. Can I run a 4" or 6" or 5" or 7" wide roll through a P900 and have it print/cut my 5"*7" (AKA 13cm * 18cm) high volume prints? The 1100's vacuum suction in holding the paper properly down and its taking in and feeding of paper seem a nice "pro". My old Epson would benefit a lot from that. The final question then is, what's the balance, bottom line?
Oh dear seems things haven’t changed with cannon since my 12 ink Lucia IPs 5000 I got in 2006 great printer but obscene in its cleaning usage! Me and others went thru the same things as you and others are now, if you don’t do enough printing on an almost daily basis it will empty the tanks anyway and of course maintenance carts. I got so fed up with it I stopped using it and it sits in the garage as a reminder to think hard before I ever buy another canon printer (and I haven’t )
Thank you Keith for answering this question. If I'm not mistaken, the print head is different on the PROGRAF PRO-4600. Do these wide-format fine art printers are usually known for using up more or less ink for maintenance than the PRO-1000/1100 ? Thanks you!
Thanks - the actual head is the same on the 1100 and 4600 BUT there are other differences, so the 4600 is tuned/driven for print speed - if it took as long to print as the 1100 does it would be exceedingly slow for a 44" width print. It also has additional head monitoring features which suggest a different cleaning regime - BUT I'd still leave it switched on and plugged in ;-)
There is some forum or something where somebody measured the ammount of ink used in every cleaning process, it's somewhere on internet. It shows how wastefull these ( the pro 1000) can be, especially if used rarely and turned on and off. The printer uses a hell lot of inks when turning on and off, but it also uses ink after each print, amd the same ammount regardless of size, I believe. So better print a bunch of A2, rather than a bunch 10x15cm. You can choose to limit the ammount of cleaning processes, and turn off auto cleaning, and while the printer goes to sleep, it doesn't use that much, if any, ink, the moment i send a file to print, the printer does a full cleaning process before it starts printing.
It does reduce cleaning use, but I suspect that there will still be some - this is just the sort of stuff it's impossible for me to test in the time I have th pritner
The printer ( the pro 1000, at least) does a short cleaning process after every printed image, big, or small. And even if you keep the printer on, after not using it a while, the printer does a full cleaning process before printing, but it is still better than turning the printer on and off.
Hi Keith Thanks for all your great videos! On the 1100, when changing only one cartridge, does the printer go through a cleaning or purging of all cartridges like the 1000. Thanks!
Wow !!! thanks for the ink usage , my friends dad who has a R2880 , just found out ink is discontinued , has to find another printer, was looking at the 900 or this !! well think the 900 swings it right?? i would guess he does about 10 a2 ( or eqiv area ) prints per month. so from your video a lot of wasted ink .. well you know what i mean ,,, ink used for maint vs print
Hello Keith., I am a new subscriber to your channel and it's great!! A quick question: If I incorporated a daily ritual of printing a small, color-rich image to keep the print heads clear (my theory), would that be sufficient to maintain their clarity for the most part? I plan to leave the printer on, as you suggested, and also use a UPS to safeguard against short-term power outages. Thanks for your advice-much appreciated.
Glad it's of interest. It's a myth that a test/exercise image needs to be strong in any way ... A simple nozzle check is fine, or if you need a colour image then a small colour image on plain paper will work as well. Do remember too that no-one has yet worked out optimal timings for this - I can't do it since the printer is only here for a short while
@@KeithCooper Wow, thanks for the qiuck reply. I am close to making the purchase and your knowledge has been very helpful so far, as I'm sure it will continue to be.
Keith, excellent review - I do fine art work and so far have been going to professionals for printing but really find myself wanting to print myself. Now the logical thing to do is get the Pro-300 but on the other hand I don't like buying things twice. So I may as well get the printer than can do more. But the use of Ink does put me off a bit. So it is a toss up between using a printer for review and personal use and A3 prints (pro-300) or actually using a printer for also A2 in a more professional use case. Is there any clear advantage in the "Ink Management" between a Pro-300 and the Pro-1100 / Pro-1000? If it is close or about the same that would toss me over to get the A2 printer.
The 1100 should work out cheaper to run, if you print enough. The only problem is defining 'enough'! I don't have calculations, but look at the cost per print here www.redrivercatalog.com/rr/cost-of-inkjet-printing.html
I assume your definition of "turned off" is using the "off button" as opposed to unplugging the printer or switching the power off at the plug connection (like you did when on holiday). The reason I ask is that some printers I have heard still use power even if they are "turned off". I have an Epson P900 and "turn off" after each printing session which is normally every two days. I never unplug the printer.
You make a good point, they are not quite the same. However... For this test I completely powered down the printer - unplugged. This causes the sort of hefty clean I observed. If like the pro-1000, then even leaving it off, but plugged in can initiate a big 'clean' after an extended period of lack of use [~45 days I've seen suggested] I'll try and draw together more detailed info when I do the written review. This video was in answer to a lot of specific questions I've received of late.
@@KeithCooper I see in the P900 service manual (which I just obtained) this instruction. "Disconnect the power cable of the printer and press the Power button on Operating Panel to discharge the residual charge in the printer." I presume this is for safety when working on the internals as the text emphasizes by this as well "The power switch is installed on the secondary side of the power circuit, so power is always supplied to the power supply circuit even when the switch is OFF unless the power cord is unplugged from the wall power outlet".
Hello, I have the 1000( 6years now,) The way I look at it, any time you get to this level the cost goes up if you want the very best in a printer. Its just the cost of having a high quality printer ...If you worry about how much it costs to run this printer ...get a cheaper unit
I have new pro-1000 and my usage will change from often to not often - back and forth. Are there equivalent settings for the 1000 as you have explained in this video? Naturally the window prompts have changed. Many thanks for your videos and a reply to my question.
Keith - does the printer do maintenance cycles when it is switched on but unused? If it's needed when turning off, I would expect the software bods would build in some up-time maintenance based upon usage too. I would have thought the startup cycle to be more or less standard and independent of the amount of time it is off although there may be a little accounting for off-time i.e. a difference between overnight and seven days+ . All very much clouded in secrecy because it generates revenue on cartridges. 5% loss off a £600 stock is a massive waste every night/switch-off. It is putting me off printing myself altogether. BTW - thanks for yesterday's reply - I hadn't caught up with a backlog of videos. This start-up loss more than offsets the cost of power for keeping the printer on.
It does no timed maintenance if that is what you were thinking? That said I've not stood near it most of the time! It's most likely to do some form of cleaning before/after a print. Unfortunately 'would expect' has very little predictive power here [not for me either ;-) ]
From the video notes: "The printer used a total of 45g of ink for cleaning after being left powered off for a week. That's 3.75g or just under 5% of what a cartridge contains." For shipping setup, much more is used - see my written review.
Hi Kieth, do you have any stats for the Pro 200 and 300 printers re ink use and maintenance please? As a comparison. I am about to upgrade my printer. Thank you.
From my experience with the PRO-300, it will agitate the ink before printing if it has been 5 or more days since the last agitation, regardless of how often the printer was used. Each agitation seems to use about 5% (~0.72ml) of each ink. Running daily nozzle checks or small jobs in hopes of avoiding ink waste will just cause you to waste more ink. I’ve gone up to 3-4 weeks without printing and the printer works just fine when I need it to print. Just make sure the printer stays on.
using the canon 1100 only for black and white prints ( i like) is a lot cheaper ,right? Other question ; when making every week a A4 print with the minimum ink of all containers can that do the job being cheap in ink.when not printing big print 4 weeks or longer? regards Theo.
No - no cheaper at all... ink loading on the paper is the same A nozzle check will do to exercise the printer. This isn't really a printer for those who want to quibble over small amounts of ink...
My main question would be that if Epson can use bottles with the 8550 and reduce both the cost of ink and wastage of plastic cartridges why cannot it be done by other manufacturers? Having recently purchased an 8550 and seen how cost effective and easy to manage it is I can't imagine buying anything with cartridges in ever again. I can see that the market for machines printing larger than A3+ is now relatively small when it comes to home enthusiasts but it's quite depressing for me to see Canon introduce their 1100 with no regard for the potential there might be to do away with cartridges.
Product marketing and market segmentation pure and simple... The PRO-1100 is the bottom end of the larger 2600/4600 range Canon will only do smaller ink tank printers - even then they are hobbled on Macs for example, by not having working colour management. Also remember the relatively slow pace at which printer development moves. If we assume that much of the 1100 is the same as the 1000, then parts were being designed 10 years ago - give the 1100 a 5 year life and by 2029 you have a printer with a display screen/interface designed in 2014 The PRO-300 is a somewhat re-jigged PRO-10 and the PRO-200, similarly for the PRO-100 I feel a video about new printers coming on ;-) Thanks for asking!
@@KeithCooper Thank you for this detailed response. The slower pace of printer development has its benefits but with the increased interest in analogue everything I see possibilities for a resurgence in printing if only all printers were as versatile and cost-effective as the ET 8550!
Goodness me, this sounds expensive to use. I’ll stick with my super-economical smaller A4 Epson ET-8500 or 8550 for A3. Not machines that are directly comparable, especially in print size, but I am very impressed with the quality, ease of use and especially the low ink cost of my ET-8500. I’d buy an A3 model 8550 again next time, which I hope won’t be needed for years yet.
yes, less ink There is no directly comparable - two options at 17" are the P900 and P5300 both broadly similar to the 1100 in printing, but with different features
i went away for about 10 days... i kept my computer and printer on and with remote control I've printed nozzle check any day and when i get back, everything was fine
If you look at all of the after market inks and ink level gadgets being sold and taking away OEM ink sales from Canon, It is obvious that Canon has only come out with the "so called new printer and Lucia inks" to stop this. The new and improved inks have just come along as regular research and development on their product. Canon has used the introduction of the improved inks to market the same old printer with a new model number.
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Excellent work Keith. Thanks for being thorough! That’s a lot of ink for only 1 week and I don’t have deep pockets. You have saved me from making a huge mistake.
Glad it was helpful!
An excellent video again Keith. Understanding the best way to minimise the use of ink for the maintenance process is key. As a previous owner of Pro-1000 regular use is absolutely key. It might be useful for prospective owners to understand the maintenance cartridge.... and how that being full disables the printer, until it is replaced....ie always have a spare available!! Again thank you for all your hard work
Thanks - I'll be sure top mention that in the review
I was just reminded that even if I leave the printer on, shutting off may be beyond my control. Where I live, we occasionally have brief power outages. Sometimes only for a second. Sometimes longer (over the last six years, our standby generator has accumulated 216 hours run time.) I didn't give that a thought until yesterday. Annual maintenance of our standby generator was done. Part of the maintenance check is to shut off the power from the grid for a few seconds to be sure the generator starts up (normal start up is 3-4 seconds.) Power off and then back on. All is good. I didn't give that another thought until this morning when I noticed the kitchen microwave clock was off, as was the coffee maker. Oh crap! Went upstairs and guess what? The 1100 was off. Of course it was. I've just set up to flush a batch of perfectly good ink.
I left the printer off and logged onto Amazon. Cyberpower 425VA battery backup is now on the way. Delivery tomorrow. I won't power the printer on again until I get that UPS and plug into it. Battery backup--essential with this printer if you have even momentary power outages. $55 today may save me five times that--or more--in a year! An uninterruptable power supply is not just for your computer and internet router anymore.
Thanks, Keith, for this most illuminating analysis and report. The 1100 uses 5% of ink when powering on! Where I live, we have momentary power outages or brownouts probably averaging two a month. We also lose power for 30 minutes or more six to 8 times a year. For that latter longer outage, which sometimes might be 8 hours or more (think hurricane Beryl), we have a Kohler automatic natural gas standby generator, which comes on five seconds after a power outage. Bottom line, even leaving the 1100 turned on, it will be shut off maybe 30 times a year, and at 5% each time it is turned on, then we will lose 1.5 cartridges times 12 every year IF WE NEVER MAKE A SINGLE PRINT. At $60 each, that makes the cost of just owning the printer $1,080 a year.
That made the decision to buy a $70 UPS just for the printer, an easy one. Now the UPS will keep power on to the printer for momentary outages and for longer outages the 5 seconds or so while waiting for the standby generator to start up. That brings our UPS count up to six: Internet router, fiber to ethernet converter, two computers, NAS, and now Pro-1100 printer. Makes me wish Epson had never discontinued the 3880.
Thanks for that - I guess it's easy here, to forget that the continuous electricity supply we expect and receive, is not a given in some parts of the world...
Thanks Keith: your findings about how much ink gets used whenever the Pro 1100 is powered on is very interesting. By and large, it sounds like it uses a comparable amount of ink to what gets used when you first set it up, which could mean that whenever you power it on, it dumps all ink that is in the ink lines/internal reservoirs and fills them up again with fresh ink.
On the different topic of its automated self-cleaning cycles, perhaps you could consider mentioning that printing something (like a simple nozzle check, which uses very little ink) daily or every other day should be enough not to trigger self-cleaning cycles - just not to scare people off that they need to resign themselves to frequent self-cleaning cycles.
I have been printing daily since I received mine so I have not experienced any yet, but perhaps it is something worth looking into. I mean, letting the Pro 1100 sit unused but powered on for say 48 hours and see if/when it performs a self-cleaning cycle. I realize that supervision of the machine over that time period may be an issue though! 😉 Maybe recording it could be a way to do it, I don’t know. Just a thought that crossed my mind.
Thanks again for yet another interesting video.
Thanks - However, an important caveat - I did not say 'Whenever'... just that it did it after leaving a week ;-)
No, it does not charge the lines, just runs cleaning [also, it uses far less ink than when first set up]
What uses up a lot of ink is the set-up for transport - about 40% - that is similar to the initial charge.
Thank you for the videos Keith! I have only gone through a few but its helping me decide whether or not i want to dip my toes in the world of printing.
Fantastic content.
Thanks - do remember that the videos are supplements for my actual written reviews
Every one of these is also listed on my videos index page on my site
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This was very timely for me thank you.
I print 1 or more prints a day except for when I am out of town soon and so will be leaving on while I am away.
Glad it's of help
@@KeithCooper Any thoughts on what to do when ink in a cartridge reaches 10% and show warning for low ink?
I know that doesn't mean empty but wondering if you need to do anything special when cartridge runs completely out
@@itaylorm Loads more use left at the warning stage.
The carts will reach a point where it absolutely insists on changing - experience with the 1000 suggests that they will be truly empty.
An empty cart may interrupt printing - on related printers you can hot-swap, but I notice in the manual it specifically warns that a panoramic print will be interrupted... ?? Read the manual! :-) :-)
I take the 'low ink warning' just as a hint to order spare ink...
@@KeithCooper thanks that is very helpful
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Brilliant information as usual Keith , this somewhat covers one of my previous questions about this subject relating to my Pro-300 and Pro-1000 . Though the printer menu's differ slightly I think I've made some changes to the good ! . I'll have to monitor the usage .
Glad it helped
Hiya. I'm a professional photographer in Los Angeles. FWIW - I recently purchased an 1100. I've been having issues with faint roller marks on prints created by the rollers, particularly with Fine Art Baryta, The Hahnemule tech people were very helpful with trouble shooting with me. We succeeded in reducing the appearance of the marks but not eliminating them. Canon tech support was also helpful but quick to determine the unit needed to be replaced (something to do with the roller pins). Frustrating and costly given the amount of expensive paper and ink used trying to correct the issue only to have to replace the printer. If the issue persists with the replacement unit I'll return it and buy an Epson.
Are these marks parallel to the head movement or along the length of the paper?
@@KeithCooper They are parallel to the head movement.
Interesting... I don't actually think they are roller marks as such [which tend to run along the length of the paper]
If it's not too much trouble, could you email me [at Northlight Images] with some details about what Canon said?
This would be very helpful in some questions I've raised with Canon here, in connection with my review and other queries I've received from several people.
This is great information! For me there was no need to change password from the default to get accounting software to work. I just had to print network settings to get random password set on my printer and set it to that canon accounting software.
Thanks
Yes - a password is needed, but if you don't want a password on the printer it stops the accounting. Having a password on the printer is a real pain if you are experimenting - using the buttons on the front of the printer is not an easy interface.
Thank you for the very valuable and informative information, you always provide. Would love to have a pro 1000/1100 printer just can not justify it, yet
Glad it was of interest
Another excellent video. Ink usage mirrors my experience. I had two P900s (first one replaced under warranty), which used way less ink, but had a poor paper feeding system that jammed or scratched paper, so I replaced it with a much more reliable, but thirsty Pro-1000. Canon's Accounting software is helpful, but as you note, doesn't include ink used in cleaning cycles. Similarly, the Red River information on ink use does not appear to include cleaning cycles as it shows the Pro-1000 and P900 to be similar, which they are clearly not. One comment, about leaving the printer switched on, if you have a power cut, the printer is very unhappy and seems to use even more ink to restart than if it was switched off (60g of ink).
After a couple of years of ownership, I have become more relaxed about ink costs, even though I'm not a particularly high volume user. When you factor in the cost of paper and mounting, ink cost is pretty small, especially if you factor in the time spent taking and processing the images, as well as the sunk costs of camera gear. So I no longer sweat ink costs.
Thanks.
I'm about to test the switch off, since we have power supply work in the house today and thought I'd see what happens ;-)
Perfect, thank you Keith.
Thanks - glad it was of interest
Thanks Keith, that was very useful. I would like one of these printers but I doubt that I would use it enough to justify it. The fact that you have demonstrated it consumes £25 worth of ink when you switch it on is sobering. I also believe that there may be an internal timer that periodically cleans the heads and lines even if it remains switched on and no prints are done. You might find that when you come to print something that the inks are low or run out. If you only print a few A2 prints a month then these might cost you £500 of ink alone.
Glad it helped - yes, an important aspect to consider when looking at larger printers
Super useful Keith! Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
Glad I got an Epson P900. I’ve had it for almost two years and it uses very little ink in maintenance and I barely print 3-5 times a month at times. A weekly nozzle check is all I do and that only prints a set of tiny grids on plain paper. It may not be as sturdy as the canon beast but it sips ink.
Yes a distinct difference - this applies to the P5300 as well [same print head as the P700/900]
@@KeithCooper your very helpful reviews helped me select it. Much appreciated.
I had noticed that on my pro-1100, it seemed to auto power off after some time of inactivity (1 day or so?). That was on default settings. I’ll be changing the settings to stay on, and recommend the same to others.
Kind of sneaky to have auto power off as a default setting if powering on uses so much ink.
Yes, I think this has caught out a few people ;-)
Thank you! SUPER HELPFUL!!!
Glad it's useful...
Another great informative video Keith, thank you. Although my Pro-300 doesn't have "reserve tanks" to the best of my knowledge, can you say if the other principles you mentioned apply to it.? TIA
Thanks - Actually the 300 is fairly different. It doesn't do the same ink-dumping, but I have related videos for it - see my main review, which links to all
www.northlight-images.co.uk/canon-pro-300-printer-review/
Very helpful! Thanks!
Thanks
I had the pro 1000 and upgraded to the 1100. I donated the pro 1000 to a community college with a night photography class and they’re using it a lot more than I did. However, I use it enough to justify the ink but one trick that I learned is to use a program like Qimage And I have a Mac mini at home that’s connected directly to the printer. Every three days it print a test pattern and that seems to keep the ink at a decent rate. I
Yes, most of the pro-1000 tricks will likely work with the 1100
I have an imagePROGRAF PRO-1000. It stopped printing well so I'll give it away and buy the imagePROGRAF PRO-1100, just like I did with the model prior to the imagePROGRAF PRO-1000. They only last three to four years. Then you have to have them repaired, at quite a cost. I prefer to buy the newer model. Bear in mind that it is a very expensive hobby. If you don't print very often (two-three months between printing), like me, every time you want to print, expect an empty ink tank or two for each printing session. The rewards are very nice prints, although very costly!
I'd just note that 2-3 months is not so good for the longer term health of any printer, yet alone ink costs.
But attitudes to costs do vary... ;-)
Solid and well-researched advise. The main question after your videos on this printer now is, how do its prints compare to its main rival, the Epson P900's?
As to ink consumption on "maintenance", it seems to me that the droplet size plays a role here - the Canon squirting a significantly larger smallest droplets than the Epson.
A maintenance mechanic once said to me, print one colour print a week and the printer does not need to waste ink on "maintenance" - that to me is an easy choice.
Not supporting a roll paper feeder is a theoretical disappointment. The P900 does that.
However, on the practical side, this 1100 can process very long sheets cut beforehand, and if its ingestion system is as great as implied here and there, then that may completely defeat the need for a roll holder/feeder, plus is a pro.
Can I run a 4" or 6" or 5" or 7" wide roll through a P900 and have it print/cut my 5"*7" (AKA 13cm * 18cm) high volume prints?
The 1100's vacuum suction in holding the paper properly down and its taking in and feeding of paper seem a nice "pro". My old Epson would benefit a lot from that.
The final question then is, what's the balance, bottom line?
Thanks - All good questions which I'll address in a 'which 17" printer video' after I have written the main review ;-)
I have a P5000 here...
@@KeithCooper - you're the best. Thank you.
Oh dear seems things haven’t changed with cannon since my 12 ink Lucia IPs 5000 I got in 2006 great printer but obscene in its cleaning usage! Me and others went thru the same things as you and others are now, if you don’t do enough printing on an almost daily basis it will empty the tanks anyway and of course maintenance carts. I got so fed up with it I stopped using it and it sits in the garage as a reminder to think hard before I ever buy another canon printer (and I haven’t )
Yes - a 'cost of ownership' ;-)
I really liked the iPF5100 - pity they never updated it :-(
Thank you Keith for answering this question.
If I'm not mistaken, the print head is different on the PROGRAF PRO-4600. Do these wide-format fine art printers are usually known for using up more or less ink for maintenance than the PRO-1000/1100 ?
Thanks you!
Thanks - the actual head is the same on the 1100 and 4600 BUT there are other differences, so the 4600 is tuned/driven for print speed - if it took as long to print as the 1100 does it would be exceedingly slow for a 44" width print.
It also has additional head monitoring features which suggest a different cleaning regime - BUT I'd still leave it switched on and plugged in ;-)
There is some forum or something where somebody measured the ammount of ink used in every cleaning process, it's somewhere on internet. It shows how wastefull these ( the pro 1000) can be, especially if used rarely and turned on and off.
The printer uses a hell lot of inks when turning on and off, but it also uses ink after each print, amd the same ammount regardless of size, I believe. So better print a bunch of A2, rather than a bunch 10x15cm.
You can choose to limit the ammount of cleaning processes, and turn off auto cleaning, and while the printer goes to sleep, it doesn't use that much, if any, ink, the moment i send a file to print, the printer does a full cleaning process before it starts printing.
Yes, I've seen info in a DPReview thread. Far more than I can do in just having the printer here for a month
@@KeithCooper absolutely, they had it for months. But your work is exceptional regardless. Thank you very much for your work!
Do you have a suggestion of a printer that is of the same quality that isnt ink jet ?
No - not at all... Nothing I've seen in 20 years of printer testing
My questions would be "why?" and "what do you need it for?"
Keith--great review. Does actual printing act as cleaning? So if you printed something every day could there be no cleaning cycles? Thank you.
It does reduce cleaning use, but I suspect that there will still be some - this is just the sort of stuff it's impossible for me to test in the time I have th pritner
The printer ( the pro 1000, at least) does a short cleaning process after every printed image, big, or small. And even if you keep the printer on, after not using it a while, the printer does a full cleaning process before printing, but it is still better than turning the printer on and off.
Hi Keith
Thanks for all your great videos! On the 1100, when changing only one cartridge, does the printer go through a cleaning or purging of all cartridges like the 1000. Thanks!
Not that I know of, but I've not tested it in detail.
Wow !!! thanks for the ink usage , my friends dad who has a R2880 , just found out ink is discontinued , has to find another printer, was looking at the 900 or this !! well think the 900 swings it right?? i would guess he does about 10 a2 ( or eqiv area ) prints per month. so from your video a lot of wasted ink .. well you know what i mean ,,, ink used for maint vs print
Glad I could help!
Hello Keith., I am a new subscriber to your channel and it's great!! A quick question: If I incorporated a daily ritual of printing a small, color-rich image to keep the print heads clear (my theory), would that be sufficient to maintain their clarity for the most part? I plan to leave the printer on, as you suggested, and also use a UPS to safeguard against short-term power outages. Thanks for your advice-much appreciated.
Glad it's of interest.
It's a myth that a test/exercise image needs to be strong in any way ... A simple nozzle check is fine, or if you need a colour image then a small colour image on plain paper will work as well.
Do remember too that no-one has yet worked out optimal timings for this - I can't do it since the printer is only here for a short while
@@KeithCooper Wow, thanks for the qiuck reply. I am close to making the purchase and your knowledge has been very helpful so far, as I'm sure it will continue to be.
Keith, excellent review - I do fine art work and so far have been going to professionals for printing but really find myself wanting to print myself. Now the logical thing to do is get the Pro-300 but on the other hand I don't like buying things twice. So I may as well get the printer than can do more. But the use of Ink does put me off a bit. So it is a toss up between using a printer for review and personal use and A3 prints (pro-300) or actually using a printer for also A2 in a more professional use case.
Is there any clear advantage in the "Ink Management" between a Pro-300 and the Pro-1100 / Pro-1000? If it is close or about the same that would toss me over to get the A2 printer.
The 1100 should work out cheaper to run, if you print enough.
The only problem is defining 'enough'! I don't have calculations, but look at the cost per print here
www.redrivercatalog.com/rr/cost-of-inkjet-printing.html
I assume your definition of "turned off" is using the "off button" as opposed to unplugging the printer or switching the power off at the plug connection (like you did when on holiday). The reason I ask is that some printers I have heard still use power even if they are "turned off". I have an Epson P900 and "turn off" after each printing session which is normally every two days. I never unplug the printer.
You make a good point, they are not quite the same. However... For this test I completely powered down the printer - unplugged.
This causes the sort of hefty clean I observed. If like the pro-1000, then even leaving it off, but plugged in can initiate a big 'clean' after an extended period of lack of use [~45 days I've seen suggested]
I'll try and draw together more detailed info when I do the written review. This video was in answer to a lot of specific questions I've received of late.
@@KeithCooper I see in the P900 service manual (which I just obtained) this instruction. "Disconnect the power cable of the printer and press the Power button on Operating
Panel to discharge the residual charge in the printer." I presume this is for safety when working on the internals as the text emphasizes by this as well "The power switch is installed on the secondary side of the power
circuit, so power is always supplied to the power supply circuit
even when the switch is OFF unless the power cord is
unplugged from the wall power outlet".
Yes, the Canon is likely similar in its power control - hence the timed options available
Hello, I have the 1000( 6years now,) The way I look at it, any time you get to this level the cost goes up if you want the very best in a printer. Its just the cost of having a high quality printer ...If you worry about how much it costs to run this printer ...get a cheaper unit
Yes - just not the way some would like to look at it ;-)
I have new pro-1000 and my usage will change from often to not often - back and forth. Are there equivalent settings for the 1000 as you have explained in this video? Naturally the window prompts have changed. Many thanks for your videos and a reply to my question.
I'm not sure - I last looked at the 1000 in 2016 when it first came out.
Ok, thanks.
Glad it was of interest
Keith - does the printer do maintenance cycles when it is switched on but unused? If it's needed when turning off, I would expect the software bods would build in some up-time maintenance based upon usage too.
I would have thought the startup cycle to be more or less standard and independent of the amount of time it is off although there may be a little accounting for off-time i.e. a difference between overnight and seven days+ . All very much clouded in secrecy because it generates revenue on cartridges. 5% loss off a £600 stock is a massive waste every night/switch-off. It is putting me off printing myself altogether.
BTW - thanks for yesterday's reply - I hadn't caught up with a backlog of videos. This start-up loss more than offsets the cost of power for keeping the printer on.
It does no timed maintenance if that is what you were thinking? That said I've not stood near it most of the time!
It's most likely to do some form of cleaning before/after a print.
Unfortunately 'would expect' has very little predictive power here [not for me either ;-) ]
Hello. Great video… A question… 25 ml of ink from total x12 cartridges (80mlx12), or 25ml from each cartridge?. Thanksss!!
From the video notes: "The printer used a total of 45g of ink for cleaning after being left powered off for a week. That's 3.75g or just under 5% of what a cartridge contains."
For shipping setup, much more is used - see my written review.
@@KeithCooper thanks for your reply
Hi Kieth, do you have any stats for the Pro 200 and 300 printers re ink use and maintenance please? As a comparison. I am about to upgrade my printer. Thank you.
No - nothing like this on any other printers I'm afraid
From my experience with the PRO-300, it will agitate the ink before printing if it has been 5 or more days since the last agitation, regardless of how often the printer was used. Each agitation seems to use about 5% (~0.72ml) of each ink. Running daily nozzle checks or small jobs in hopes of avoiding ink waste will just cause you to waste more ink. I’ve gone up to 3-4 weeks without printing and the printer works just fine when I need it to print. Just make sure the printer stays on.
using the canon 1100 only for black and white prints ( i like) is a lot cheaper ,right?
Other question ; when making every week a A4 print with the minimum ink of all containers
can that do the job being cheap in ink.when not printing big print 4 weeks or longer? regards Theo.
No - no cheaper at all... ink loading on the paper is the same
A nozzle check will do to exercise the printer.
This isn't really a printer for those who want to quibble over small amounts of ink...
My main question would be that if Epson can use bottles with the 8550 and reduce both the cost of ink and wastage of plastic cartridges why cannot it be done by other manufacturers? Having recently purchased an 8550 and seen how cost effective and easy to manage it is I can't imagine buying anything with cartridges in ever again. I can see that the market for machines printing larger than A3+ is now relatively small when it comes to home enthusiasts but it's quite depressing for me to see Canon introduce their 1100 with no regard for the potential there might be to do away with cartridges.
Product marketing and market segmentation pure and simple...
The PRO-1100 is the bottom end of the larger 2600/4600 range
Canon will only do smaller ink tank printers - even then they are hobbled on Macs for example, by not having working colour management.
Also remember the relatively slow pace at which printer development moves.
If we assume that much of the 1100 is the same as the 1000, then parts were being designed 10 years ago - give the 1100 a 5 year life and by 2029 you have a printer with a display screen/interface designed in 2014
The PRO-300 is a somewhat re-jigged PRO-10 and the PRO-200, similarly for the PRO-100
I feel a video about new printers coming on ;-) Thanks for asking!
@@KeithCooper Thank you for this detailed response. The slower pace of printer development has its benefits but with the increased interest in analogue everything I see possibilities for a resurgence in printing if only all printers were as versatile and cost-effective as the ET 8550!
Goodness me, this sounds expensive to use. I’ll stick with my super-economical smaller A4 Epson ET-8500 or 8550 for A3. Not machines that are directly comparable, especially in print size, but I am very impressed with the quality, ease of use and especially the low ink cost of my ET-8500. I’d buy an A3 model 8550 again next time, which I hope won’t be needed for years yet.
Yes - this is not a printer for those significantly concerned with ink costs
Would the comparable Epson use less ink on maintenance? Comparable image quality? Thank you.
yes, less ink
There is no directly comparable - two options at 17" are the P900 and P5300
both broadly similar to the 1100 in printing, but with different features
@@KeithCooper Thanks very much!
i went away for about 10 days... i kept my computer and printer on and with remote control I've printed nozzle check any day and when i get back, everything was fine
Yes - that will help
So that is 25 quid of ink over 12 cartridges?
Yes - a total of ink which equates to about half a cart.
When one of these 'big cleans' happens a total of ~£25 of ink is used.
If they dropped the price of ink by half they would probably sell 10 times more printers and hence ink!
Maybe - I suspect not though ;-)
"GULP"
Yes ;-)
If you look at all of the after market inks and ink level gadgets being sold and taking away OEM ink sales from Canon, It is obvious that Canon has only come out with the "so called new printer and Lucia inks" to stop this. The new and improved inks have just come along as regular research and development on their product. Canon has used the introduction of the improved inks to market the same old printer with a new model number.
That is one view - not one I'd personally share though
... but it's definitely bad.
A great printer, but not if you are looking to run it on a shoestring...