The Winchester 92 was all but dying when it was dropped in 1949. 1873 Winchesters being rare, the 92 stood in on film. The TV westerns and movies kept it alive.
One problem you did not mention is the lack of availability of 44 Henry Flat blanks. Even if they could find originals. Uberti’s Henry is chambered in 45 Colt and 44WCF. Forgotten Weapons has a video on a cartridge discharge in the tube of a Henry Replica. InRange has a video on replicating the 44 Henry cartridge with shortened 45 Colt cartridges. As the custodian of a Henry, 1862 production, an 1866, 1872 production, and two 1873’s, 1879 and 1892 production they are interested to compare. The rifle I take to the range is a Rossi 92, 357/38, 24” Stainless octagonal. 44WCF is kind of a pain to load.
You're absolutely right! I totally overlooked that bit of information. Good call, thanks. Nice collection btw! I used to have a '73 in .38-40 I loved. Fixed it up to be a shooter. Was fun. Long rifle, held a lot of rounds. A bit more than you are usually allowed in CA with anything modern.
@@FilmArmorerJoeyDillon Did the Prop Houses have a chambering preference for the 92's they acquired? Fortunately magazine capacity for tubular magazines is not covered by the magazine capacity limits. A friend and I were out with his new toy yesterday. A Henry Frontier. As he was loading the magazine with 22 shorts he made the comment there was a politician having a heart attack somewhere California. Years ago I was in a discussion by a guy from a prop House talking about having been raided by the California DOJ due to their owning select fire firearms. DOJ found an empty warehouse. With the change in laws all their firearms had been moved to their Missouri warehouse several months before.
Silverado always stands out as a film that used a yellowboy as a Henry. My older brother pointed out the side loading gate on the fake Henry Mal used Love that flick!
Great video. It would be interesting if you made another video talking about the Colt SAA that were modified to look like Remingtons or cap and ball revolvers. It was common to see these revolvers along with these fake Henrys in the early seasons of Bonanza.
20 years ago when I wasInspector General of the North South Skirmish Association we had a skirmisher who, against the proper loading procedures for Henry dropped a live round down the magazine tube that had a distended primer (improperly loaded 44/40 cartridge) it blew apart the magazine tube and severely wounded his hand.
Very interesting video on the Henry look alike rifles. I have noticed I see far more 92 Winchesters in the old westerns than any other model (like 90% of the time). I'm thinking this was because they were more numerous and cheap than original pre 94 models and had the general look of an old west Winchester. I wonder about some 73s I see in old westerns. They must have been originals.
@@FilmArmorerJoeyDillon Thank you. I find your channel interesting as well. I have my theories about how movie armorer work is done then I see you go into detail about how it's actually done and I find out what little I know.😃
I heard years ago there was a gun shop in Montana that had so many 94's traded in for modern rifles back in the 30's and 40's that the shop owner used them for rebar when he poured a sidewalk.
Correct historic firearms even today are super rare in film. Back in the 30's, 40's, 50's and even into the 60's people knew more about firearms (by far) than they do today. Then again people's general knowledge about all things western were much higher. Original 92 Winchesters are more valuable than "Frankenstein Henrys". Personally, I'd rather have the Italian copies. Both the old cap and ball pistols and the early repeaters. Just my preference though.
@FilmArmorerJoeyDillon awesome video. I would love to see Uberti produce a replica of an 1892 Winchester made to look like a Henry. Do you have any of those Colt Single Action Army Revolvers that were made to look like Remington revolvers?
Thank you! I wondered if you might have worked on the Horizon films. Really enjoyed the first film, looking forward to the second. Love the rubber cartridge stick for the Henry! I just had to make a bunch of dummy luger PO8 mags for a film, so I 3D printed them and inserted stacked up printed rounds in exactly the same way.
The best Western I ever saw for using all period correct firearms with an actual Henry rifle was the movie Arizona 1940. I tried to find who the set designer was who was responsible for all the right gun correct hats and the right number of mules and Ox not horses to pull freight wagons.
Admire the attention to detail you put into into your work
Gregory Peck used one of that type of 92 in the movie Stalking Moon . Very good movie .
I gotta check that movie out
That rubber cartridge stacking reminded me of taking the white board sharpies at school and sticking them together to make a “sword.”
haha I remember doing that!
That rubber cartridge stick gimmick is outstanding !!
Thanks!
The Winchester 92 was all but dying when it was dropped in 1949. 1873 Winchesters being rare, the 92 stood in on film. The TV westerns and movies kept it alive.
One problem you did not mention is the lack of availability of 44 Henry Flat blanks. Even if they could find originals. Uberti’s Henry is chambered in 45 Colt and 44WCF.
Forgotten Weapons has a video on a cartridge discharge in the tube of a Henry Replica. InRange has a video on replicating the 44 Henry cartridge with shortened 45 Colt cartridges.
As the custodian of a Henry, 1862 production, an 1866, 1872 production, and two 1873’s, 1879 and 1892 production they are interested to compare. The rifle I take to the range is a Rossi 92, 357/38, 24” Stainless octagonal. 44WCF is kind of a pain to load.
You're absolutely right! I totally overlooked that bit of information. Good call, thanks. Nice collection btw! I used to have a '73 in .38-40 I loved. Fixed it up to be a shooter. Was fun. Long rifle, held a lot of rounds. A bit more than you are usually allowed in CA with anything modern.
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Did the Prop Houses have a chambering preference for the 92's they acquired?
Fortunately magazine capacity for tubular magazines is not covered by the magazine capacity limits. A friend and I were out with his new toy yesterday. A Henry Frontier. As he was loading the magazine with 22 shorts he made the comment there was a politician having a heart attack somewhere California.
Years ago I was in a discussion by a guy from a prop House talking about having been raided by the California DOJ due to their owning select fire firearms. DOJ found an empty warehouse. With the change in laws all their firearms had been moved to their Missouri warehouse several months before.
I would think the chambering preference would be anything a 5in1 blank would run through.
Silverado always stands out as a film that used a yellowboy as a Henry. My older brother pointed out the side loading gate on the fake Henry Mal used Love that flick!
Mal's rifle was a "fake" Henry but his father's "Henry" was not. I always wondered how that happened.
Very informative, you're a great storyteller! Thanks for sharing, the one on the rubber guns was very interesting too!!
Thanks!
Great video. It would be interesting if you made another video talking about the Colt SAA that were modified to look like Remingtons or cap and ball revolvers. It was common to see these revolvers along with these fake Henrys in the early seasons of Bonanza.
20 years ago when I wasInspector General of the North South Skirmish Association we had a skirmisher who, against the proper loading procedures for Henry dropped a live round down the magazine tube that had a distended primer (improperly loaded 44/40 cartridge) it blew apart the magazine tube and severely wounded his hand.
woooooowwwww! Sorry to hear...
Very interesting video on the Henry look alike rifles. I have noticed I see far more 92 Winchesters in the old westerns than any other model (like 90% of the time). I'm thinking this was because they were more numerous and cheap than original pre 94 models and had the general look of an old west Winchester. I wonder about some 73s I see in old westerns. They must have been originals.
What's up man! Appreciate your channel. Yea, those '92's were everywhere. I'm guessing the '73s were originals too.
@@FilmArmorerJoeyDillon Thank you. I find your channel interesting as well. I have my theories about how movie armorer work is done then I see you go into detail about how it's actually done and I find out what little I know.😃
That’s quite an interesting rifle, I am wishing to recreate one of those with a Kolser Winchester 1892 rifle!
Nice!
Would love to own an old 92 movie gun! 👍🏽😊❤️🇺🇸
I heard years ago there was a gun shop in Montana that had so many 94's traded in for modern rifles back in the 30's and 40's that the shop owner used them for rebar when he poured a sidewalk.
Correct historic firearms even today are super rare in film. Back in the 30's, 40's, 50's and even into the 60's people knew more about firearms (by far) than they do today. Then again people's general knowledge about all things western were much higher. Original 92 Winchesters are more valuable than "Frankenstein Henrys". Personally, I'd rather have the Italian copies. Both the old cap and ball pistols and the early repeaters. Just my preference though.
@FilmArmorerJoeyDillon awesome video. I would love to see Uberti produce a replica of an 1892 Winchester made to look like a Henry. Do you have any of those Colt Single Action Army Revolvers that were made to look like Remington revolvers?
Thank you! I wondered if you might have worked on the Horizon films. Really enjoyed the first film, looking forward to the second. Love the rubber cartridge stick for the Henry! I just had to make a bunch of dummy luger PO8 mags for a film, so I 3D printed them and inserted stacked up printed rounds in exactly the same way.
I worked on part two, and part of three. I did not work on part one. It was great fun though! And hard work.
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Wonder why they didn't clad the sides and work the mag over to load from the front like a 22 !
The best Western I ever saw for using all period correct firearms with an actual Henry rifle was the movie Arizona 1940. I tried to find who the set designer was who was responsible for all the right gun correct hats and the right number of mules and Ox not horses to pull freight wagons.
Ill have to check that out!
When the man with the rifle meets the man with the 45, he dies.
John Wayne in Rio Bravo would disagree haha! Awesome line tho
@@FilmArmorerJoeyDillonso would Lucas McCain/ Chuck Conners .
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Great information, I have a mod 39 marlin Texan, with octagonal barrel 20inch, love u under lever guns,, so practical!,
Thanks! and that mod 39 is cool!!