AGILE OFFROAD 2023 SPRINTER R&D - THE ACHILLES HEEL??
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.ย. 2024
- As Promised, we took out our 2023 Sprinter that we have been building here at Agile Offroad. In this video John and Jesus are going to give you an in depth look into all the new Agile parts that have been installed including The RIP Kit, ARB Air Locker/ ARB Onboard Air Kit, Agile Big Brake Kit, DTE PedalBox and many more! We hope you enjoy the video, drop a comment below with any questions you have!
This video was EXCELLENT. Great comparison. Im new to sprinter, and this really helped answer alot of my questions that the dealer couldn't.
Glad we could help! If you do have any other questions or curiosities give us a call 619-328-1297
Talk about a full send! That’s what I’m talking about testing the product and putting it to its limits!!
We had a great time out there! We are loving this build! Can't wait to see where it goes!
Great business for companies who sell lockers. ;-). Love your products.
Thank you!
Love my locker too. It was very helpful in Alaska last summer. Off to Colorado this summer. Someday, big brakes! For everyone with RIP kit, do check torque specs on leaf spring U brackets; one of mine rotated out this summer and Alaska mechanics were loathe to work on them.
Yeah the lockers have been great for us! Glad to hear your is working out well! We recommend to re-torque the U bolts after the first 500-1000 miles! and you will LOVE the Big Brakes!
Just picked up my 2023 3500, thanks for the heads up!
Great to hear! Hit us up so we can start building your rig!
I love this video ! great job!
Thank you so much!!
Thanks guys, very informative!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks! I have my 2023 AWD on order. I can’t wait to get it up fitted and off road. It sure looks like there is an ARB locker in my future.
Sweet! Well whenever you get it, be sure to come to us, so we can get your rig ready to go !
Great comparison! What I heard is locker is nice on 4x4 model but NECESSARY on AWD models! 😊
For anyone serious about overlanding in a sprinter van, it's definitely going to be a necessity 4x4 or AWD! Thank you for watching!
Hi Guys - great video! Just wondering if you have any further info about the problem you had with the front driveshaft/differential becoming separated. I had the same thing happen with my 23' sprinter awd - currently at the shop being repaired. Thanks!
that is a odd thing to happen, fixed?
great explanation
Glad it was helpful!
Great video!! See you in about a year 😊
Please excuse my ignorance with these questions, but I wasn’t sure. With a locker on the 4x4 or a 2wd, it locks the rear wheels only, correct? With a locker on the AWD, does it still only lock the rear wheels or all 4? Thanks!
No worries at all! We love all the questions, keep them coming! So to answer your question, The ARB Locker is only locking the REAR wheels whether its 4x4 / 2wd / AWD
Interesting video
First of all, I would like to note 2 things : 1.the Sprinter is not an off-roader, but a rough road vehicle and 2. the biggest source of error is not the van, but the driver
If you want an all-wheel drive Sprinter, you should know exactly its strengths and weaknesses - because, as I said, it is a rough road vehicle. As standard, the Sprinter copes very well with lighter terrain and is one of the best in the van class with the VW Bulli. But I wanted something more. So I bought a 3 liter Sprinter with 190 hp from 2018. I immediately took him to a special workshop that specialized in such conversions.5 months later and 57k Euro poorer I was finally able to pick him up. Now I learned to master the Sprinter off-road. For this purpose, I took part in courses that offered special driver training. And then last summer I finally went on the big trip.First I went to Morocco and the Sahara.Then to Iceland,and for 4 months I have been hanging around in Scandinavia north of the Arctic Circle.
My conclusion: make meaningful changes to the Sprinter, and get to know it to the last weld - then you have a lot of fun with it.
I have the 4x4 sprinter and am looking into the locker. I hear the locker works great when in 2wd. Does it work the same or better when in 4HI and 4Lo? Also, is there a brake traction control feature so left foot braking in 4Hi would be effective in preventing wheel spin to maintain traction.
Question about the traction control. In the awd, when you were going up that washout, stuck. Was the esp on or off? A mercedes video a few months ago showed the awd with esp off getting stuck super easy. Then with the esp ON, the brakes held the wheel without traction and it over came the obstacle. Just curious as to how effective the esp is in the awd off road. We purchased a 2023 awd a few months ago and excited to get it out on the trails. Thanks guys!
Wondering the same thing. Certainly with ESP off you would need the diff locker to stop the cross wheel spinning.
@@boxster1970 agreed! I was skeptical of the MB video. But now that the AO guys are testing, they are putting it through the paces for real.
Great question! So we ran multiple scenarios up and down those washouts. What we found is that if you on a flat dirt trail. ESP off it drives fine. Now when it came to the washout section or quite honestly any section that had an incline. We tried Locker off / ESP off ... it got stuck. We tried Locker off / ESP on... it still was getting stuck. But as you can see in the video. As soon as we engaged the Locker. Any ruts or sections we were stuck in, the van got out... EASILY.
@@Agileoffroad thank you for the follow up on the esp effectiveness. It was something I was wondering about since we got it. The locker is definitely on my list for upgrades.
@@Agileoffroad thanks for the follow-up. Perhaps there is a software issue with the ESP that makes it less effective on an inclined surfaces.
I bought the last MY of the 4X4. I never buy the first MY of a redesign. When my warranty is up I’ve got a list of mods for Agile OR.
This AWD system is 50/50 torque split and automatic vs the prior 30/70 frt/rear torque split and it is really an AWD system with a non locking center differential that is manually engaged. Its was an AWD with a low range and only 30% torque to the front.
G'day from Australia guys. Want to do another 25,000km lap of Australia next year and want to do it in a 149 Sprinter. Problem is no-one in Oz does the diff locker. Question - do you think it possible to order a diff locker from the US and it would fit an Oz Right Hand drive Sprinter. Thanks and great videos.
Hey there! So we ship to Australia! You can order directly through our website at agileoffroad.com! To better help answer your question about fitment. could you email us at info@agileoffroad.com ! Thank you!
What size tires do you recommend for the stock height AWD?
275/70-17 is the standard oversized tire
I just bought a 22 4x4. Which is better, doing the suspension, tires, etc, before or after the build?
It's really up to you, but getting a better grasp of your build will help us better guide you!
Does putting a locker on the awd voice mercedes warranties?
Void not voice 😀
How does it do on side angles. Does it feel like it's going to roll over on some of those angles and do U thinks it's safe on side angles
From our testing it did great! Our RIP Kit is definitely going to help with the swaying. The leaf springs play a huge factor in that! And of course John and Jesus are experienced off-road drivers and know what they're doing behind the wheel. Our advice would be firstly, drive at the experience level you feel comfortable and safe at! and Secondly, definitely get a RIP Kit 🙂
How can I get a rear locker diff for my 2wd 2015 NCV3 in Australia? I heard the diffs are made here but how can I buy one?! Super keen!
You can purchase them directly from our website, we ship to Australia!
Doesn’t the ESP do something similar to the locker? Not as well I’m sure, but effectively limiting a spinning wheel and transferring power to the tire w traction…?
Not going to sell many lockers if they show the traction control kicking in and hauling it up the obsticals😉
Typically the EPS or the 4TS would engage. But what we found out in our testing, it wasn't engaging correctly.
@@Agileoffroad yes, having a positive locked axle would def inspire more confidence than a spinning wheel waiting for a sensor.
@@Agileoffroad in the clips from the video it didn’t look like the traction control was was turned on. The brakes didn’t seem to be applying on any of the spinning wheels. I do appreciate the video was just snippets of the various things you were trying and not the whole picture.
A locking rear diff is definitely a great upgrade for vehicles exposed to low traction on a regular basis. It’s interesting that VW offer a locking diff as a factory option on its 4Motion AWD vans.
Check their recent comments . They tried it with eps on and off…either way it got stuck on rough inclines until they lockered it
How do you increase towing from 5,000 lbs to 7,500 lbs??
Is there any option to buy the diff lock for the dually 5t?
We would love to help you out! Could you clarify the make and model you referring to?
Interesting that adding a locker to the AWD would make it match or beat the 4WD, since 4WD usually gets more credit. Recommendations for which locker to add? Or is the locker a factory option?
They mentioned ARB locker several times....not a factory option
agileoffroad.com/product/arb-rear-locker-sprinter/. 🙂 One of the best upgrades for your van!
I was thinking this was a compare but for what your saying if you have a 2023 you need a locker and you didn't say if the 4x4 got up without the locker so question did it ?
The 4WD sprinter did go through that section in Lo-range, but we think that is because of the extra weight on that van!
What are the options to regear the awd through the locker? if any that is....
This is something we will be looking to in the future!
@@Agileoffroad within the reasonable future I hope. With having the awd on 32” already, I absolutely notice the torque lacking a bit.
As I want to upgrade to 35” (who doesn’t), re-gearing to something in the proximity of a 4.727 ratio (MB option AR5 in the Oberaigner era) becomes a necessity.
So me being friendly, get it done!! 😉
Great work, info. I recently purchased a 22 2500 170 extended, it doesn't have a rear sway bar why does the 4x4 have one? can you recommend one.
To our knowledge all the 4x4 have them, Here at Agile, we don't have one that we recommend, except for the factory bar that they come with.
What about Icy/slick/snow conditions? Do you just wait for your AWD to turn on? What if you're already slipping where a 4WD or AWD vehicle would have grip to all 4 tires?
The ‘23 AWD system is always on.
@@PezRacer I mean switching the AWD (always on) system switching from a 2WD van to AWD in icy conditions.
Paul keep in mind the 2023 is AWD so it requires no shifting. We compared our 4x4 Revel, which does require shifting! Like Pez Racer said, the AWD system is always on!
I understand the AWD is always on, but does that mean all 4 wheels are always under power? Or. Only the rear tires are powered, until the van senses the front tires slipping, then the transfer case engages power to the front tires as well
If it’s the second scenario, then what is the lag time before the front tires are engaged and powered? Wouldn’t you already be slipping by the time you have power to the front? How long does it stay engaged before disengaging again?
So on the 2024 AWD will the locker be an aftermarket feature?
You should all be in selflocamotion mode, hiking, biking, etc.
get real-get fit!
I do have a question, where can I find this locker for my 2023 AWD sprinter
agileoffroad.com/product/arb-rear-locker-sprinter/ Right here! :)
How about the MPG difference between your 4X4 revel and the 2023 AWD unit?
The Revel is heavier because it is fully built out. But it also has roughly 660 mile range with our ACGB tank installed! The AWD is getting 16-18mpg with a 45 gallon tank!
Can you mention the mpg of the revel please?
Not sure what is a locker is and how it works thinking about all wheel drive van ...
What is the cost to have one installed
The locker is installed in the rear differential and when engaged locks both the left and right rear axles so they turn in unison. This prevents total loss of traction if one wheel is off the ground or on ice/mud. The ARB locker is actuated via compressed air, which moves the locking gears into position, so it requires an onboard air compressor. Agile requires a $2500 deposit to install the ARB locker; I've read the final cost is in the $4000-4500 range.
For an accurate quote you should email info@agileoffroad.com that way our sales team can help you best!
ARB lockers in Australia sell for around $1600AUD Can be fitted for about $500 plus compressor. 4-5k is astronomical money.@@grinnelljd
I had issue with my 2023 awd front driveshaft mercedes came to the same conclusion with 10 cent snap ring = new front differential and driveshaft all under warranty funny thing is i wasn't doing anything cool i was driving down interstate lol
Oh no! glad you found the problem!
What’s the name of the color on the 2023?
I inquired about ordering an AWD 2023 diesel Sprinter Crew but was told all allocations have been sold out. Im currently on the list for a 2024. I plan on tackling the Mojave Trail and spending a few night off-road with it. The new AWD system and revised transmission appear to be improvements for the Sprinter.
They are a hot commodity right now! As soon as you get your van, we will make sure your van build was worth the wait!
Ford Transit awd locker please!
We do install Lockers in the Ford Transits, we are happy to help you out!
Any plans to experiment with the Transit? Hope so. Thank you in advance if yes.
If the opportunity arises we definitely will! Hopefully in the future we can do some Transit RnD!
I'm not convinced the AWD is better. I prefer having the options and using them. So my base 4x4 sprinter, will need a locker soon, give me more options!
It's all personal preference at some point! If you're in the market for a locker, Give us a call at (619)-328-1297 or email us at info@agileoffroad.com
Awd..
Front seems to shut down under stress. Then reset.
I prefer the 4x4 locker setup..
Agile has some great choices..
If only us Australians could get a locker!
Should ask ARB direct after all it's an Australian company.
ARB Caloundra have fitted 3 lockers to sprinters so far. Can be done here
@@beaublake1821 shit yeah. Thanks for letting us know. Appreciate it.
We ship to Australia 😉
@@Agileoffroad well that changes everything! Cheers guys I’ll be in touch
🤟🏻 keep it up 🌈
In the AWD it’s the reverse ratio that bothers me if it not very low ratio.
Would a sway bar disconnect help out with keeping the front wheels on the ground?
It's probably not going to make that big of a difference, with the limited travel in the uni-body!
Not as much as a SAS would.
Very informative, thx! Is it possible to upgrade the older Sprinter with the new electric steering? Also, for future comparisons it would be interesting to see both rigs with comparable weight. Maybe load-up the 23 with tires?😅
To our knowledge, No. But that's an interesting ask. Our plan is to build out the 2023, so stay tuned as it builds out more and more!
Looked it was was going to fall over
not with our rip kit!
Some of y’all talkin bout that sprinter locker like you’re ripping that thing up mountains. Calm down bro, it’s a van.
vans should be allowed to go up mountains too
A bit off-topic, But does anyone know if these new Sprinter engines are B20-fuel compliant? The past V6 Sprinter was limited to a maximum B5 diesel fuel (Anything beyond B5 can only be used in an emergency and the use of any fuel beyond B5 is subject to warranty denial). Seems everyone is moving to the B20, so readily finding B5 in the future is going to be a problem. Would hate to spend that kind of money only to be limited by current and future enviro-regs. Any help with this info would be greatly appreciated.
Yes! We just filled ours up with it!
@@Agileoffroad Great to hear as well. My local Chevron in CA only sells B20 diesel fuel
$7000.00 wow is there no limit to how much you can spend on one of these things 😂
One needs to learn how to off-road, can’t engage instantly while losing traction, better to be in traction mode ahead of time!
look the germany company IGLHAUT
so the locker is the real deal here,so a 2wd with the locker will make it,awd without the locker will not make it,4x4 without the locker will not make it
They didn't say if the 4X4 went up there without the locker just that the AWD failed and the 4x4 went up in 2wd so we don't know if the 4x4 went up or not.
Yes, it's pretty clear when you have opposing front and rear tires off the ground, the van becomes stuck very easily. But with the Locker engaged it was able to get right out of any scenario we put it in!
@@MrBrenden830 We were able to get up with the 4WD in lo-range, but we are assuming that because of the extra weight, it gave us more traction!
@@Agileoffroad great video! that is the beauty of 4LO, I use it all time time off-road. Making assumptions that the added weight made the difference makes and ass out of you and me. I would like to see you find a stock 2022 4wd and compare it to your 23 AWD in the same scenarios. Proof is in the pudding....don't you agree?
@@Agileoffroad thanks for the reply. Another thing people aren't pointing out is how does the new van go in reverse without low range have you tried it ?
Also don’t go 4 wheeling by yourself!
What's the MPG on the 2023 and how much water and gas can you carry with aftermarket accessories from Agile?
16-18 mpg! To answer your other questions... The interior of the 2023 is the same so you can get anywhere from 5-35+ gallons of water! That's really up to you and how much you want for your build! In regards to the fuel tank! The largest tank we off is the S&B 45-Gallon tank! That is the biggest tank offered for the 2023 so far! Hope this helps!
@@Agileoffroad
Fantastic! Thank you so much for the speedy reply.
What are the sizes for tires and wheels on the AWD? You sell those?
Tires are going to be 285/75r/17 and wheels 17" ! And yes we do! They will require some work to get them fitted properly with no rubbing! Here is a link to our Wheel and Tire Packages! agileoffroad.com/product-category/wheel-tire/wheel-and-tire-packages/
Nice review, thanks !!!
Thanks for watching!
Would you guys recommend a front locker as well? Even possible?
Hey! I am not sure if we have one in the works, or if it made much of a difference to have one. If you want to talk to someone on our team they could better answer your questions 619-328-1297