Metal Shaping: Project Talbot-Lago
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ม.ค. 2022
- Metalshaping: Project Talbot-Lago
Yes Wray has started a new project and yes I will make sure we do one video on the shroud. Having said that, this is a fantastic video! Wray is truly in love with the new car that came into the shop. A 1930's Talbot-Lago that was made in Florida out of fiberglass and the owner wants to complete another one out of Aluminum.
Wray discusses how he marks off the flexible shape pattern also how he makes a gauge to use as an external buck. He grabs a sheet of aluminum and lays the flexible shape pattern flat on the metal, marks off about an inch further out from the FSP as cheat room (this proves useful after he shrinks the metal). He then goes to his shrinking facilitator and shows, using the FSP where the panel needs to shrink. He uses our metal shaping mallet (which you can find on our website) and hitting the panel creates "gathers". He hits the gathers down from either side, and essential shrinks the metal. He also stretches the center of the panel to achieve the desired area value.
Wray then wheels the panel out using the english wheel and verifies everything is going according to plan using the FSP as the blueprint. He wheels and checks for about 30 minutes then back to the shrinking facilitator to hammer it out more.
Another hour or so of wheeling and he is 90% there. He shows you how the panel looks by placing it on the car and then after 2.5 hours of shaping, he bids everyone a farewell.
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Hands down the best channel on TH-cam. I could watch Wray all day. A master craftsman with humility and humour.
The mark of a master is they make their work look effortless. Whenever a master says, “Anybody can do this part, it’s easy”-stay humble. His easy was paid for with decades of work.
The front fender will be made from about 8 panels when completed. My students, Gilles has made 5 of the panels so far, Kurt, made one and Shane made one, I made one. It is almost ready to weld together now. The students work is exceptional and equal to my quality. They all had either zero English wheel or very little shaping experience before my class.
@@proshaper that’s amazing. I’m still in awe of your skills.
Unreal craftsmanship
They say those who can't teach....but!!! your a teacher and a doer thanks for the videos I've learned alot from you and enjoy every video keep em coming!
Nice. I just realized where I saw that car before. It was 14 years ago when I took my Boy Scout Troop to the Centennial Jamboree in VA. The car was in an auto museum with one of the caverns in the Shenandoah Valley. They had it labelled as a 1936 Bugatti. It was stunning. There was also a Hispano. Good video. Good Luck, Rick
Wray...this video, for me, goes on my "Top Shelf" of metal shaping references that I know I will watch over and over again. Thank you so much for committing the extra time and effort to share your craft!!
As a fellow sufferer of ADD, I support your decision to jump to the more appealing project.
Those patterns are awesome!! I gotta get some. Wray your amazing, I live a hour or so away from you, I gotta come visit your beautiful shop one day.
Thanks Wray from Kearney, Mo.!
Wray
I am 73 yrs old. I absolutely appreciate you sharing your knowledge! God blessed you with a talent that's perfection
This is my go to channel during those long hours in the middle of the night. Have gone back and watched episodes time and again only to find even more information. incredible channel. Thank you.
Wray, We can make your channel a drinking game. One gulp for every time you say: STUMP. I’m loving your video’s. I have been intimate with cars (British cars) all my life. I’m a home machinist and specialize in the mechanicals and anything electric. Not much of a body man, rarely are WE both. Now I know why those XKE/XKSS Alum coach’s ( Body’s) are so expensive. No gimmicks here, just a lot of hard work. Ross
Excellent video, I agree with you about 1930s cars, I was born in '91, but have always been drawn to cars of the '30s. This is very educational to watch, I enjoyed hearing all the bits of philosophy and information as you were shaping the panel! Looking forward to watching more on the Talbot Lago and any other projects you tackle.
WOW!! A marathon. You didn't take a break, but I did. Great content and something new an SHINY.
thank you for teaching the next generation
You are truly an ‘Old Skool’ Craftsman with your desire to pass the skills along.
I’m 72 and I know of what I see!
Videos like this are solid gold. Metal shaping instruction, history, expert opinion and entertainment in one place. Invaluable. Thank you Wray and Erik.
30 yr body man , done plenty of restoration’s. Your skills are on a totally different level. I watch all kinds of videos, Learn something every time I watch your videos, I’ve watched them all multiple times. Love your flexible shape pattern!
I'm Speechless , this is the first time I've seen you work at your craft. As someone who has been in love with the '37 Talbot Lago teardrop for over 65 of my 75 years , ( I came close to getting one of George's in 1991) , I'm thrilled that you are working with Gilles to take things to the limit. All the best to both of you.
Another great video. The long ones that show the little details are terrific, and the commentary about historical facts, tools, other areas of shaping, and why you do things the way you do is an excellent touch. Edu-tainment
I used a pattern making method inspired by yours, (I used blue masking tape, and baking flour to kill the adhesive). I used it to fashion a new aluminum grill for my 72 Alfa Romeo spider. I used the blue tape, because I didn’t have the materials to try your exact method. It turned out perfect, weighs 700 grams less than the original, and keeps the pretty look of the original. Thank you a thousand times.
i really like the longer video format. one of your best.
I remember not too long ago that Wray's videos barely garnered 40 likes. It's funny how so many people discovered this channel.
Great to see Wray evolving the process. I came down to the shop a few years ago, it was well worth it.
this is probably how the original Talbot Lago's were made.
This is the one channel I’ll make time to watch from bell to bell. I’ve learned more about moving metal on this channel than any other. I’m in awe…. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with your You Tube family….
Greg
Great Video on metal shaping..... a lotta good tricks and tips.... An education to watch It
From what I can gather only 18 of these Teardrops were ever built... The last one sold for $13.5 Million..!! the high side of Kool...!!
Thank you for teaching your knowledge so carefully and precisely Ray. Truly grateful.
Thank you for all you give us !!!!
I’m buckled in for this ride!
Of course in fifties Europe austerity was still the thing. Older designs prevailed. Loved the XK 120
Very nice result for a couple of hours of work!
First the Transporter 3 launch and now the Talbot-Lago project at Pro Shaper, evening saved! Well actually it is the middle of the night so I'll keep watching tomorrow. Be interesting to follow this project. 👍
You are on your game in this video. This is one of your best, if not your best so far. The narration was superb. So much information shared as you worked. Wish I could give more than one thumbs up.
Yeah, great video and thanks for all the work you guys do making them. They’ll help future metal shapers for generations to come.
Excellent demonstration and instruction. Remarkable methodology.
nice work thankyou ,im a bodyman for 45 years in canada and i have built some nice stuff,many frist place winners at world of wheels but im never to old to enjoy this kind of work,I will come visit you in the next year or two,I will tune in next week ,take care.
excellent work!
Nice job Wray, okay you can take a break now.
I think I'm going to call them shrinking fixtures...facilitator seems to fancy for me. Some fixtures just might happen to be formed to a stump size for the more Egyptian-esk size shapes I may need to make in the future...awesome video btw I'm learning so much! Ty Wray!
On second thought...shrinking blocks, not fixtures. Thanks again Wray
Thanks! I appreciate it.
Thumb up, although it's not my profession and I didn't see the whole video. What a joy to see that you teach your trade to the next generation.
Excellent metalworking skills..Thank you for this video
Hello Wray. You replied to a comment and mentioned a "cake froster"...
What you do is greater precision and higher quality rather than ease and speed. The two should not be compared.
It's much easier and faster to frost a cake to make it appear good than it is to bake one in the right shape in the first place. And it takes a lot less tools and talent. A good "frosting spreader" and a grinder are the main tools. Welders, hammers, dollies, wheeling and planishing machines aren't free (even home made), sadly
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As for numbers of viewers... I believe many people today don't have the interest and therefore won't take the time to watch a video that is teaching precision methods. Instant gratification/entertainment and all that rot.
To think that there are 44 thousand of us (so far) who are interested enough to subscribe shows that the art isn't dead yet. It also shows that we appreciate you teaching about the patience and precision of the old coach-building processes with your spin and interpretation of same. But we are fewer in number so the frosting channels will have more viewers.
It's true that there is a time and a place for everything though. If you can't bake to perfection yet you still want a cake and can't afford to hire someone... then spread on the frosting. Once you put the paint/sprinkles on... many people won't know or care how much frosting there is. Consider many of the well known customs of decades ago. Lots of frosting there (some in lead and some in body fillers). Sigh.
In the time it took to watch this impressive video someone could have frosted and eaten a lot of cake. ;)
I like your methods better but I'm retired and have the time and interest. That's why I subscribed. :)
I always fall back to the quote DaVinci supposedly wrote.
There are those that see, those that have to be told to see, and those that don't see. It is universal in all of the arts, drek is rewarded more often than not.
@@proshaper And he knew how to see....
Have a great day.
Good job brother👍
Wray you are a great craftsman and teacher …….
Thank you for sharing the fundamentals
Myron Stevens built the Miller race cars free-hand quickly. Yes they were asymmetrical. He used 0.63 Aluminum and just a hammer and dolly to shape the aluminum. As work hardining would naturally occure he would use sawdust on the aluminum panel heat it until it started smoking. Annealed. Repeat working the panel. Myron then gas welded the panels together. Then filed the panels smooth. Myron used the 0.063 3003 alloy. Stay safe car people.
I've seen photos of Teardrop Talbots for decades; always thought a Bugatti Alantic was cooler. I finally got to see them side by side in real life. I couldn't take my eyes off the Talbot, it was as if the Bugatti never existed.
To think if we learnt this we could then make the car of our dreams. I would like to start learning.
What a awesome talent to have and so much pride skill and patients. Now days you just order the panels bolt it all back on again and send it out the door. But what you do is just pure joy to watch thank you for sharing your skill.
Superb metalwork Wray - masterfully done.
How absolutely sweet!
nice work Wray...you are the best!
this is magical to watch, Brilliant!
Undoubted artistry and skill !
First time seeing your videos. Liked and subscribed and can't wait to see more!
Wow another cool design. Simple tools and cool designs.... the master of disaster. Please keep it coming.... metal is clay
Thanks Wray. This was a great video to because it went from beginning to end. Really showed the benefits of having the flexible shape pattern. I’m still not completely sure why you had to cut a inch off the pattern in the beginning though. As much as I liked this video I hope to see some more on the Healey ...
When I was in my early 20's. I met Jack Hegamenn at his home. It was very nice of him to show us his Shop and the Car's.
I'm not familiar with Jack Hegamenn???
He was a Metal Shaper from WW2 who settled in Alamo Ca. and hand built many different types of Cars, Hot Rods, Race Cars and Planes from scratch. I got to see his Porsche Spyder that was hand built close up. It is outstanding. Some of his work was in the Oakland Car Shows at the Coliseum. He passed away on Dec 6 2010 at 94 years old. It was an honor to visit him at his Shop behind his Home. His Son Jack junior is currently building just like his Dad did.
Simply awesome
Superb.You explain so well.
Thank you very much
Gonna be awesome like always Wray! Thanks for the content
Excellent tutorial thanks Wray
Great video.....solid metalworking techniques!
Another excellent video.... that hour and a half seemed to fly by.... waiting for the next one...great job
One down 59 more to go great 👍 job
Buen trabajo excelente el modelo de la que pule la pieza ECUADOR LA MITAD DEL MUNDO
Masterful metal working skills!
The best channel! Thanks!
talk about 30s design my 1955 TR3 is a hold over from there. the last coach built Triumph's.
AMAZING PATIENCE ~ ~ ~ and your Skills are WORLD Class!!,
Just found this channel last night, can't believe what I learned in just two nights watching this guy, what a fantastic teacher, such detail in every step of the way.
Fascinating. Thanks for filming this. Great workmanship. You're like Norm from New Yankee Workshop except with cars!!
Always brilliant content. I'm late into metal shaping and more into restoration of vintage tractors which don't really have the complex shapes you work on. That said I've been using your ides and developing my skills along the way. Thanks for sharing your skills
great videos
Hello, masterful work, and a beautiful car, I wish you satisfaction with the projects.
Was waiting for you to start this one 👍😊
Wray
If you over develop the area value whilst wheeling - How you you shrink that back?
Do you wheel upside-down or heat shrink?
Love how you show the way and as you say creep up on it as patience is king.
On the next panel I do I will address over development.
@@proshaper thanks Wray.
Was not sure what to do if the stretch went too far. And did not want to start all over again.
You constantly day metal is clay just needing som tips to correct mistakes for over development, and how to recover
Awesome
Very entertaining.
Looks like you’ve done this a time or two Wray
Awesome!!!
Thanks just found your videos
Watching your programs are contagious leaving you to ask more questions so hear goes! On this Talbot car IS/ are there any plans for a frame and suspension and motor being considered ? Hope the snow does not hamper your shop to bad.
Gilles owns the Talbo company. I am helping him get it to the next level with aluminum bodies. 22 fiberglass Talbos were built with a Ford modular V-8. The cars were only sold as turn key cars. They have a unique frame designed by the original owner of the company. Gilles wants to make electric powered versions.
Wray, You mentioned that your hammers use Delrin, but you omitted to mention that Delrin is TEN times the cost of UHMW, Nylon etc which others use in their hammers. I just bought a stick of 2" Delrin and it broke the bank. It does machine beautifully though.
For years I made mallets with UHMW plastic because it was less expensive than Delrin. I made the switch to Delrin probably five years ago, it is tougher than UHMW.
going to be a fun project to watch, Figoni/Falaschi and Saoutchik were always some of my faves although i have to say the 37 Hartmann V16 Cadillac is my all time fave. I am curious though how accurate and symmetrical were the original bodies on these bespoke one off coach built cars? Were they as finely and perfectly made as some of the Concourse level restorations of today? Keep up the fantastic vids, thanks for taking the time to do them as im sure you are a busy guy.
Excellent video! I'm interested in how you determined to best way to divide the panel into individual flexible shape patterns.
A lot of it is human scale. You can only work a panel so big. I will cover this in the next video.
Wray, will the Talbot-Lago panels require a Superleggera or other under-body structure for support? Wonderful education you’re providing!!
Yes, it will have a superleggera inner structure. The originals were wood inner structure.
Maybe you could quantify how much tape is used to make the flexible shape patterns for the Talbot. That way we can get an idea of how far one kit from your store will go.
Good point.
My kit that I sell has three rolls of the low stick, three rolls of the fiberglass reinforced, and three rolls of the fine line. The kit will do the whole fender and probably the grille shell too.
Recently discovered and subscribed! Amazing content. I need to tackle some Karmann Ghia body work. When you made your cardboard gauge at about 6:00 in, can I suggest a carpentry trick of scribing the pattern? Rough it in like you did so you are within 1/8" or so, then lay a pencil flat on the body and scribe the pattern to the cardboard. Trim to that line.
Thanks, I use the technique you described always, but maybe not in this video.😁😁😁
Great video, where can I see you tip that edge or something similar?
Thank you,
Mike
the silhouette of this car looks close with Bugatti Atlantic, very interesting
All designers influence each other. I like this design better than the Bugatti.
@@proshaper I preferred the Talbot, looks more harmonic than Bugatti
feels like almost one year on yes u did abounded the HEALLY . PLUS FINISING THE PORCHE DASH
I have a question about the delrin end tips of the hammer. Delrin is a really slick plastic. Would nylon tips be a bit more grippy and maybe allow the hammer to make deeper dents?
Delrin holds up very well.
Great content Wray, I'm in the process of fixing a set of rear fenders for 1940 Ford pu. I have a restored 40 Ford pu at work. Will the Tape from the kit hurt the paint on the truck?
no
Wow!
I just found this guy on YT, or did YT find him for me? Anyways, Enjoy!
In its original form, This is a super rare car... I did a clutch for one of these, a 1938 Talbot that was in the 38 worlds fair in Berlin when hitler was there, one of 4 built. Cool car.