I don't think it offensive,Indigenous people are culturaly very rich and scientific.They don't harm anyone, There is no question about to be offensive. Every cultural has own ritual.
La verdadera historia sobre Pocahontas que Inglaterra le robó a España El marino británico John Smith se habría apropiado de la historia de amor y el sufrimiento del andaluz Juan Ortiz, al que el cacique indio Hirrihigua intentó quemar vivo y matar a flechazos
NOTICIAS RELACIONADAS Sánchez de Tovar, el héroe español ignorado que remontó el Támesis Ni Pocahontas jugaba con un mapache llamado Miko ni con Flit, el colibrí. Tampoco, pese al empeño de Disney o Terrence Malick en vender su historia como algo inédito, fue la primera nativa en salvar a un europeo de la muerte. Por no llamarse, la mítica india no se llamaba ni siquiera Pocahontas -apodo que significa «traviesa»-, sino Matoaka, hija del jefe Powhatan. Y su historia de amor con el conquistador británico John Smith, el héroe conciliador que retratan los americanos, es una interpretación libre de las crónicas del inglés. Aunque hay evidencias de la existencia de ambos, no sucede lo mismo con la épica mostrada en el relato del colonizador, que muchos historiadores califican de «exagerado», sobre todo por su parecido a unas aventuras anteriores. Unas, de hecho, protagonizadas por España, que en lo referente a América se anticipó a Inglaterra en todo, hasta en las grandes hazañas. Disney, experto en idear el bondadoso reverso de los cuentos clásicos de los hermanos Grimm blanqueando la historia original, endulzó el hipotético encuentro de Pocahontas y ese Smith que estableció Jamestown como el primer asentamiento británico en 1607. Y se olvidó de un joven español llamado Juan Ortiz, supuesto germen del relato del soldado y marino inglés, que algunos historiadores sospechan se inspiró en las crónicas sobre el cautiverio del sevillano en Florida a principios del siglo XVI -cuando Smith ni siquiera había nacido- para escribir otra versión protagonizada por sí mismo. Mozo sevillano enrolado en la expedición de Pánfilo de Narváez a La Florida, cuenta José María González Ochoa en la entrada que le dedica en el Diccionario Biográfico de la Real Academia de la Historia, que Ortiz fue uno de los pocos supervivientes del naufragio (1528) que no se unió al grupo de Núñez Cabeza de Vaca y que cayó prisionero de los indios durante más de una década, tiempo en el que «aprendió sus lenguas, ritos y los acompañó en sus largos viajes de nómadas. Terminó viviendo como uno más hasta que en 1539 fue rescatado por la expedición de Hernando de Soto a La Florida. Retrato de John Smith Retrato de John Smith Según las crónicas de John Smith, el inglés fue salvado por la hija mayor del jefe de la confederación algonquina en Virginia cuando, maniatado y extendido en el suelo a punto de recibir un mazazo en el cráneo, Matoaka se interpuso entre la muerte y él. Una historia que recuerda demasiado a la protagonizada casi un siglo antes por el español Juan Ortiz, al que la hija del jefe de la tribu de los Tocobaga, localizada en Uzita -en la zona de Tampa donde varias expediciones españolas desembarcaron en el siglo XVI-, libró también de la muerte. Primero, evitó que fuese quemado en una parrilla, que le dejó unas horribles cicatrices de por vida; más tarde le salvó de ser sacrificado a los dioses y, al final, lo envió a la tribu rival de los Timucua, liderada por Mucozo, después de que su tirano padre quisiese matarlo asaeteado. El confinamiento de Ortiz, al que llama «el christiano cautivo», fascinó al Inca Garcilaso de la Vega, que desarrolló su reclusión en cinco episodios del Libro Segundo de «La Florida del Inca», publicada en 1605, antes de que John Smith se sumase a la compañía londinense que planeaba colonizar Virginia y arribase sobre el cabo Henry. Ilustración de 1858 en la que la princesa Hirrihigua suplica por la vida de Juan Ortiz Ilustración de 1858 en la que la princesa Hirrihigua suplica por la vida de Juan Ortiz «...no desconfíes de mí, ni desesperes de tu vida, ni temas que yo deje de hacer todo lo que pudiere por dártela, si eres hombre y tienes ánimo para huirte, yo te daré favor y socorro para que te escapes, y te pongas en salvo. Esta noche que viene a tal hora y en tal parte hallarás un indio, de quien fío tu salud y la mía; el cual te guiará hasta un puente que está a dos leguas de aquí. Llegando a él, le mandarás que no pase adelante, sino que se vuelva al pueblo antes que amanezca, porque no le echen de menos y se sepa mi atrevimiento y el suyo, y por haberte hecho bien, a él y a mí nos venga mal. Seis leguas más allá del puente está un pueblo, cuyo señor me quiere bien y desea casarse conmigo, llámase Mucozo, dirásle de mi parte que yo te envío a él para que en esta necesidad te socorra y favorezca, como quien es. Yo sé que hará por ti todo lo que pudiere como verás. Encomiéndate a tu Dios, que yo no puedo hacer más en tu favor», recoge el Inca Garcilaso de la Vega que le dijo la princesa Hirrihigua al despedirse. «Si Ortiz se salvó de ser el plato principal de una ceremonia caníbal fue por la intervención de la hija del jefe, una historia de amor interracial que se adelantó casi un siglo a Pocahontas» La ira del cacique y su odio mezquino contra los extranjeros no carecía de justificación. Venía motivado por la violencia con la que Pánfilo de Narváez sometió a los indígenas, entre ellos a Hirrihigua, a quien le arrancó la nariz. Una inquina que no solo padeció el joven Ortiz, sino también el resto de cautivos que, al contrario que el sevillano, no pudieron salvar su vida. Unas torturas que cuenta César Cervera en su libro «Superhéroes del Imperio español. Los hombres que forjaron la historia de España», en cuyo capítulo referido a Cabeza de Vaca ya vincula esta historia como el precedente más inmediato de la de Pocahontas: «Prendió a cuatro miembros de la tripulación. En una ceremonia colectiva los desnudó y los puso a correr, uno por uno, alrededor de la plaza de la aldea. A continuación, los indios les clavaron flechas por todo el cuerpo, cuidándose de que ninguna afectara a órganos vitales, porque el cacique quería disfrutar de la muerte lenta y dolorosa de sus enemigos europeos. De los cuatro españoles que quedaron en su poder, sobrevivió un mozo de apenas diez años, natural de Sevilla, llamado Juan Ortiz, al cual Hirrihigua sometió durante tres años a todo tipo de tormentos. Si en ese tiempo se salvó de ser el plato principal de una ceremonia caníbal fue por la intervención de la hija del jefe, una historia de amor interracial que se adelantó casi un siglo a Pocahontas». «Cristiano soy, señores; no me matéis ni matéis a estos indios, que ellos me han dado la vida» En 1539, Ortiz fue encontrado por la expedición de Hernando de Soto, que a punto estuvo de acabar con su vida al confundirlo con un nativo: «Cristiano soy, señores; no me matéis ni matéis estos indios, que ellos me han dado la vida», se puede leer en «La Florida del Inca». Según este relato, fue Baltasar de Gallegos quien encontró desnudo al cautivo, «quemado por el sol y traía los brazos labrados, a uso de los indios, y en ninguna cosa difería de ellos». No se escapó para los españoles la útil que podía ser para su empresa en América alguien como Ortiz, que había pasado largo tiempo integrado con unos nativos con los que tenían dificultades para comunicarse. «Assí por sacarlo del poder de los indios como porque lo avía menester para lengua e intérprete de quien se pudiesse fiar», escribe el Hidalgo de Elvas. Pese a la épica historia protagonizada por Juan Ortiz, convertido después de su confinación en eficaz guía e intérprete de la hueste de Soto por el sur de los actuales Estados Unidos, ni sus gestas sirvieron para ser narradas por Disney ni para escapar de la muerte, ya que a pesar de atravesar medio continente, descubrir el río Misisipi y sobrevivir a la batalla de Mobile, sucumbió a las inclemencias del tiempo. Sin la princesa Hirrihigua para salvarlo, no pudo soportar el duro invierno de 1542, y murió unos meses antes que su jefe. VER LOS 19 COMENTARIOS
the awareness that its fictional and i know the story of the real pocahontas, and the 3rd response that love the pocahontas movie are the 2 i resonate with
As a descendant of the Pohawtan Confederacy, I'm thrilled that you've gone over this "issue of controversy" in detail. Although I'm linked to Pohawtan culturally, I also have a daughter and know how innocent young girls' imaginations can get into a creative, fairytale-like fantasy land. If a young child wants to be Pocahontas - the beautiful, strong, indigenous princess - I say it's okay 👍 SO long as it's not being done in an ignorant or disrespectful way. I also encourage those parents, whether indigenous or not, to look into Pocahontas' true story and background of the Pohawtan Nation. Share what you find with your child (on an age appropriate level of course). It turns into a costume-finding, semi-educational, fun bonding time together! 💕😊 Even as a child, the Disney movie, Pocahontas, made a huge impact on many of my friends as they set out to be Pocahontas in search of their beloved John Smith... until I tried to tell my closer friends that the Disney movie was a total candy coated load of mostly lies and half-truths twisted to fit the typical fairytale. I attempted to tell them the facts about what I did know regarding the factual and historical reality, but I ended up being called the crazy lying one!! 🙄 I only find it offensive when adults dress up as Pocahontas (or adult couples as Pocahontas and John Smith/Rolfe), who flaunt what they're wearing or portraying sheerly for attention and to gain social media followers, and who disrespect the entire cultural background and history of the Pohawtan Confederacy and the Pohawtan Princess! It's particularly offensive when I see these individuals running around neighbourhoods or at Halloween costume parties, while playing or acting (more like mimicking) the stereotypical role of the "Indian" (I strongly dislike that term, but that's exactly what they're doing when they're running in circles, chasing the "cowboys", hooting and hollering sounds while fluttering their hand over their mouths, and aggressively acting like wild idiots!) 😡 Otherwise, if done mindfully, with respect, or with adequate factual knowledge - I don't see it as being an offensive problem. 🤗🧡
Christine, your response was so well articulated, and I'd love to share it in the future 😁😁.I am right there with you, there are right and wrong ways to go about any situation! Thank you so much your support on the topic and for bringing such valuable insights to several of the reasonings that I mentioned. I love how you mentioned always leading with respect, and how important educating yourself (and your children) is for knowing what is respectful, and what isn't ❤😁
I totally agree! My 4yo daughter loves her Disney Pocahontas dress to play dress up and I love that a strong Indigenous woman is recognized in the Disney Princess group. I would never want to cancel Disney Pocahontas because of the differences between the true story or cultural appropriation. I wouldn't let my daughter dress as Pocahontas for Halloween though, there's so many spooky ideas to choose from, I bought her Disney Pocahontas dress for her own fun whenever she wants to wear it instead of being a dress up costume thing. I really believe parents should consider age appropriate education on the true story of Pocahontas and explain to kids that the movie is a made up story based on someone (and whole culture of people in North America) who lived a hard life, which her real life was not at all the same story. Education is key.
I’m so glad you describe the different groups of people that were offended by this portrayal of Pocahontas because Indigenous people aren’t a monolith. There are people who care about their culture being represented correctly, and there are people who just do their thing in doing that and don’t care about the costume or film because they know the portrayals are wrong. Somehow indigenous themes and culture resonated with me back in Elementary school way more than the bland culture I grew up with (which might have sparked some people assuming that I was indigenous, but any trace of that in my bloodline wouldn’t be considered relevant). I was able to understand indigenous cultures but didn’t resonate with the Pocahontas film that much outside of knowing that everything has a life, spirit, and name. Thank you for this video!
Thank you so much for the kind words Miss! I also really enjoyed the life and spirit within all living things teaching that the film communicated. 😁❤ I love how you mention that Indigenous culture has resonated with you, and what do you mean by trace of bloodline would be irrelevant?
Wow, Mallory! This was a very informative and thought provoking video. I’m not indigenous but I’m going to say I’m in that 6th group. I’ve always viewed the Indigenous people strong and brave people so I just don’t understand why schools, sports teams, etc. we’re made to change their names if the original one was that of an indigenous tribe. To me it would be a positive and an honorable thing. I agree the Pocahontas costume is offensive for Halloween. To me it’s disrespectful.
Very happy you chose to make this video. I just had an educational moment with a family member who felt entirely different than myself. I explained that everyone should keep the indigenous people in mind when deciding how to react. I admit that I have felt and could have been in any of these 6 groups at various times in my life. However, I pull from the historical aspect and how many of my indigenous brothers and sisters have been and continue to be treated. As far as Disney films or any other business that make money off our people and do not support the communities is shameful since so much is needed for the wrongs that have been committed. For myself and I hope others I believe education, empathy and true growth can take you from the past to the present.
Jean I LOVE how you have pointed out that you could have been in any of these 6 groups at various points in your life! I am right there with you on this. Education, empathy and true ground can move you forward into the future ❤❤❤ I would say you are in category 7 of awesome 🤩🤩
I'm a big fan of Pocahontas back in 1997, I'm not minding much of her custom.... But her personality of teaching us to respect nature and care for the environment. Pocahontas was a Native American heroine become first befriended with the colonists giving them food and clothing during the severed winter ❄️ and her real life name is Matoaka and nickname Pocahontas means " Little Mischief or Playful Girl "
Thank you so much for sharing this with us, in such a eloquent and concise message ❤ it's greatly appreciated and I love that you are a fan and her teachings portrayed of respecting nature and sustainability. Chi-miigwetch 🤩
@@MalloryRoseCo I've been watching Pocahontas (1995) and Pocahontas 2 Journey To A New World (1998) a countless times also back in 2000, I still don't forget when my cousin's called an insulting name " Stink head " because we know Pocahontas is a Native American and doesn't bathed, that kind of joking still hurts me even now as a grown up 27 yo lad
Exactly. Why would Disney want to frighten kids with the true story as its very traumatic & wouldn’t sit well with them? I like that it taught values to respect nature & for people to get along with each other as Pocahontas stopped a war between her people & the British people in Virginia.
@@henzcarltupas328henzcarltu2you're actually wrong about that, because it was her people that taught the English how to bathe, the native women are actually said to have bathed daily
I’m not offended, I truly believe most people innocently wear it, likely they are thinking it’s a beautiful costume and a beautiful culture. I am Indigenous and personally I am fascinated with other cultures. We often have theme nights in our household in terms of dinners, we make Greek, Mexican, Thai, East Indian and so on. We respect and are open to other cultures and love and respect all cultures and my own. I personally think, for “Halloween” it’s fine wear the costume. Love and respect. 🥰
Thank you so much for sharing your perspective! I absolutely love all cultures too, there are so many lovely similarities, and differences that make each so special ❤🙏Much love!
As a Ojibwa Native American I do not take any offense to this movie. It is absolutely amazing as a little girl to see someone like me. I am not offended whatsoever I honestly think there should be a ride or something in the parks. As long people arnt Fing around and being stupid and making fun of it. If a little girl wants to dress up as a Native American princess that is badass. Me personally growing up got bullied for being native. But when the movie came out I diddnt care anymore because I thought she was the most beautiful princess there was. This is my opinion on the matter.
What a way to spend your time being offended all the time. I am indigenous and I really wonder how we got here. I wear all kinds of clothing created by white people. I wonder should they be offended? Should I still be dressed in deer skins. Let’s just grow up and be caring, loving people helping one another to better times.
@@MalloryRoseCo lol not Pocahontas. The kids say Halloween should be spooky so i am going as some kind of 7 eyed monster lol. I hand out treats to the kiddos on our neighbourhood hay ride that goes around our country block...about 4 km. The kids love it. Then we have a weiner roast and hot chocolate for them. Fun time! Are you taking your little guy out?
I’m definitely in the not offended category #2 and #3. As a little girl I loved that movie sooo much. I even made a steampunk costume based off of the Disney character. For me the Disney version is fiction and honestly might not have had so much controversy if they had just named everyone with made up names. I think that that was an oversight on the creators part. All the reasons you listed at the end are why I love it. I also love the art and the music. I’m sad that it feels taboo to love that movie now. Honestly without it I wouldn’t have jumped into the real history of Native Americans as hard as I did. I learned so much. I’m grateful for the gracious inclusion I’ve felt from my friends in the Cherokee tribe(in NC). I always felt so much love, even from strangers. I don’t know if I would have cared about the real history without the storytelling of Pocahontas. That character has all of the traits I want, but again, it would have been better if it had been titled differently. Instead of indigenous girls getting their own Disney Princess they got a character that they have to struggle with. To like or not to like. I hope one day Disney creates something, with indigenous creators, that better represents Native American peoples. I’m interested in seeing what people think of Brother Bear too.
I hear you, Kayla! You have really great points and I agree 100%! It really is sad to think that it feels taboo to love that movie now. If they used made up names instead I also think it would made a difference. Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts! 🧡
I would say I'm in the #2 and #3 category of not offended. I wasn't aware Pocahontas was inspired by a real person when i first watched it. I read the real story, but it didn't change my opinion of the film. It is still one my favorite Disney films. When it comes to the costume, I would say a white person dressing in native clothing isn’t the best choice to wear.
There’s so much to unpack in this one question. I don’t think it’s offensive, but I do find many people lack the education. I think we need to accept that it’s up to us to teach other people, children, etc., because it’s not being taught in schools and that’s just a downhill slope at this point. I’m not an indigenous person myself, however this could easily be compared to many of the women who are portrayed as “Disney Princesses”. In my culture, it would be Anastasia, and of course the Disney storyline is completely off, and she died in a horrible way, and she did not continue the Royal family as it’s portrayed in the movie. But I’m not at all offended if someone not of my culture dresses as her for Halloween, nor am I offended if someone not of culture dances her character in the ballet. The major reason for this is it continues to create division, and division is currently playing a huge role in the destruction of todays society.
I can appreciate your response in many people do lack the education - but it doesn't always mean it has to be 'offensive' right?! I definitely thought of this same perspective for other Disney characters that are portrayed as a 'nice story'. Thanks so very much for sharing your thoughts ❤️🙏
It is offensive. Accurate depictions of indigenous peoples is a major problem in education, in books, television and other media. Disney should have never called the movie what they did because it just continues to perpetualize false narratives of history and tries to make it okay. My children like the movie, but I take responsibility for teaching them about the difference between false narratives and true narratives. Tribal regalia is meant for ceremony and is sacred and a representation of the individual and their beliefs; it is not meant for Halloween and dressing up, even if your intentions are as an ally. There are other ways to support your indigenous friends and allies. Indigenous people in the U.S. are so infrequently a part of the conversation, anytime there are polls or discussion about minority groups, indigenous people are not even mentioned. We need positive REAL representation.
Thank you for sharing your points of view Mikoplayz ! I appreciate you saying that tribal regalia is meant for ceremony. I agree with you completely that it is sacred and a representative of the individual - I couldn't agree more actually as that is what my grandma taught me 😁. You hit the nail right on the head with the need for REAL positive representation! Miigwetch ❤️❤️
True but i feel a kid would be haunted by the true story of Pocahontas because of what she went through unless it was a young teen watching the movie. Maybe they shouldn’t have even made the movie at all & only an adult depiction of the true story. I was only about 8 when it came out so I’m not sure how i would’ve reacted as a kid watching it. Yes the truth should be told but there’s an appropriate age i feel for telling the real story since she went through stuff like child marriage & early death.
Thank you for this. You explain this in a wonderful way. Myself, I have been on the fence as to whether or not I find it offensive and honestly after watching this video I recognize that my belief in the topic has elements of both sides. You have given me some food for thought ❤ thank you
Thank you so much for watching, and sharing your opinion Krystal! I am right there with you on feeling different perspectives at different times. ❤ with much Love & appreciation!
Sorry, I have more questions than answers. CNB below touches on some aspects of my sentiment but I think the current culture is such that the Gate Keepers are yelling the loudest driving their initiatives. This is creating some cultural awareness but at what cost? I didn't used to care, now I feel differently, although I might just be getting older :). Yes, the cultural appropriation term is being used quite a bit, it seems.
I completely agree the gatekeepers do yell the loudest! You're right Mark, at what cost? When it's making people afraid to even attempt to participate out of fear of being excluded or shouted at. Often people who could REALLY use healing from cultural teachings get discouraged by these loud voices, which is such a shame. Thank you again for your support 😁❤️
As a child I loved Pocahontas so much I insisted on being her. I loved her so much. Although as an adult I understand why people feel offended, but as a child I loved her spirit and Resilience so much. I just wanted to be her. I really loved her. Still love her Even though by the second mobile I hated how Disney didnt give her justice
Absolutely loved your video for honouring all ways of feeling about this topic. I identify with #6 and 5...we need as many brave ,positive role models , like you too , in this world today; role models from all genders, ethnicities. Thank you for all your hard work in producing a very clear presentation of all the voices you surveyed. "Towards understanding " is a great motto for your work. Bravo!👏👍🏿🙏🏽
I really love this video. Sounds like you have put a lot of work into this .. I am on the same page as you when it comes to this question..and i also respect most reactions here.. We all have a story and a reason for why we feel what we do... BUT i find the Gatekeepers being to much.. Funny thing that the gatekeepers/SJW are hardly ever a real part of anything they are gatekeeping. Have seen this a lot lately - also when it comes to Pride, BLM etc. Looks like some people loves to be miserable and call out others.. I am proud of my fathers indigenous side - but i have not grown up with the culture - sadly... I am scared to do anything wrong and that has held me back from enjoying what could be a fantastic part of my life - espec. because of gatekeepers/SJW... But that are my fears and i need to work on them. Hopefully it will change into something positive . Wish You and your team a great Halloween.
Thank you so much for the kind words!! I agree we do all have valid reasons for feeling the way that we do, and it's important to at least try to understand multiple perspectives. It shows a great deal of strength that you can first identify the fear in participating and enjoying. You are always welcome to join in on any of the (virtual) events we host - and hope you can lean into your fathers Indigenous side a little more with time. ❤ Miigwetch & happy halloween 🎃
I really love the care and time you took to explain all the ways of thinking. I’d say I’m #6. I LOVE Pocahontas. As a young 3 year old boy, Pocahontas was the first character I fell in love with. She opened up my imagination and was one of those female role models so many young queer boys have. I saw her as powerful, brave, beautiful, adventurous, and fighting for peace. I feel like she had so many great attributes that resembled the real Pocahontas. My parents told me the story was based off a real historical figure, but the story was not accurate. I read many books on the real Pocahontas growing up, did book reports and was able to separate the two. I’ve always been Disney obsessed and Pocahontas has been the center of it for me. However, I’m also white and it’s not my place to tell an indigenous person how to feel about Disney’s portrayal. Her real story is very sad and tragic, and indigenous people deserve to have their stories told properly and for the history to be told in a true way. I think for ME I can see how people may want to dress up as the Disney version because of their love and admiration of her. Many have a true and genuine love for Pocahontas and should also tell her real story as well. Not gloss over history and not support the indigenous people. I think little girls dressing up as Pocahontas should be fine. Adult non-indigenous women dressing up as a sexualized version of Pocahontas (in an intentional slutty way, not the actual Disney costume is a problem). Basically, I think you can love and respect Disneys Pocahontas but also tell her true story and support Native Americans today.
Thank you for speaking on the different viewpoints. I don’t resonate with any but can understand all of the positions people take on the matter. I’m listening and learning so I appreciate this conversation.
@@MalloryRoseCo 🤗 I feel it’s the only true way to reconnect. Everyone has a different trauma response and I want to learn to hear the intention / commitment behind the words and pain. I believe there is no one for me to change but myself and everyone has something to teach me in some capacity so I try to listen to all perspectives. 😊
I really like this video. It is complicated. There are examples of absolute appropriation and absolute appreciation with everything in between. There are many good comments here already. Adding to what someone is saying about how some adults are dressing up as Pocahontas is the sexualization. Sex is a healthy part of the human experience but no one should be reduced to that. Long ago I was an educator. I liked to foster critical, analytical thinking skills. If this subject arose in a class I would ask the students what they thought and why. If I thought they had not gone far enough, I would ask them to do some research. Am I ever offended by the Pocahontas costume? I am when I see advertisements for it. It's the commercialization without appreciation. But I don't focus on it.
Thank you WhiteCrow! Yes I agree it is so complicated. Thank you for being so open minded in your comment. Also thank you for being an educator, I love your approach to encouraging students to self reflect and dig deep for answers 🤩🤩
Thank you for such a balanced and respectful info piece - I am in the What..ev or Love category. I don't like being cancelled by the gatekeepers or shamers...
Having watched this video, I think it's not offensive. Just as long there are good intentions for wearing it. I have seen pictures of models on runways with head dresses prancing about that have no link to the clothes. That is offensive.
Oki Mallory - This is just my take on this subject so everyone please do not think you have to be offended. In my view people who constantly are offended by stuff in their lives may have a mental disorder. If your constantly offended by what others do or say says to me that your not paying attention to what you need to do to correct issues in your own life that should take presidence over all other things around you. Being offended is a way to avoid the corrections and pathways to peace that you know are a problem but you don't necessarily see as an issue or know how to correct or see the correction as to hard a path to follow. Then there are the nare-do-wells who have just to much time in their lives and want to be attraction needing people. All these problems are and issue of the EGO. If you allow yourself to be driven by EGO you have lost the battle. In Hawiian HUNA tradition there is a little child in all of us called the Unihipili, which is constantly competing with the Higher Self or Aumakua. There is constantly a contest between the child self and the higher self for control. The task of a HUNA practitioner is to find balance between the two selfs and the conscious Self, the Uhane. This makes up the 3 Selfs that must be in balance to attain a peaceful life. Being offended for every little slight is a task to be put aside and pay attention to things in your personal life that truly matter. Your EGO most times is your enemy! Spend the time some of you normally do protesting and start meditating! Done properly it will change your life.
Grant, I love how you mention, "Your EGO most times is your enemy!" this is so true and I couldn't agree more! Thank you so much for sharing your perspectives on how detrimental it can be when you allow things to offend you. 🙏 I've never heard of this teaching about Unihipili, Aumakua, and Uhane but I am really interested to learn more about this balance between the 3 selfs that you introduced above. If you don't mind me asking, where can I learn more? 😁❤️
Personally as a woman, I find this costume offensive. We would not find appropriate a costume of Anne Franks or Helen Betty Osborne. It is not just the over 1500 murdered and missing First Nations women that looms large in my thinking but rather when we let big business dictate what we will consider okay when they totally sexualize women. I am sorry but Our Prime minister was called out for black face for Halloween so why is this any different. The Super Heroes are in our own homes and communities. They are the mothers and aunties who have given so much in spite of all the odds. The bottom line is Pocahontas was a child who was the victim of rape and held hostage by a colonial system that did not regard her as human. She died an early death unable to go home to her child or her family. I am not sure what category that puts me in, but I try very hard not to slot people into little check boxes.
Thank you very much for sharing Gail! Your points are all so extremely valid and I appreciate you taking the time to share them with everyone ❤. It's just for the purposes of presenting information in an organized way (why I created categories) 😁 🙏
In learning to be an Indigenous ally I am struggling with this topic. Part of me feels that it is appropriate to portray Pocahontas only if it is historically correct. (I will look into the true story) I struggle with the idea of portraying an abused Indigenous woman as having lived an unabused respected life at the hands of a white man. I do respect the wonderful, strong characteristics of portrayed by Disney though. This really is a difficult topic.
Most little girls I know love & admire Pocohontas...Disney profits from this. Halloween which means Holy Eve was a celebration of one's favorite Saint so theu dressed up as a Saint & knew well their life story. Somehow it got changed to scary costumes & how much candy we can get! Once again the true story needs to be told, so perhaps those making movies & costumes could unclude the true story in a summary form, or dont portray or make costumes for what they dont know! Could the Indigenous make a big screen movie about Pocohontas...the truth? There are now communities that celebrate Halloween in a varietu of simple ways without costumes and no door to door...more about games & a movie. My guess is many people dont know the true story & should not be blamed. Instead go to the bigger source of coverup or unknowing and bring awareness. I used to wear red ruby slippers for Halloween being Dorothy from Wizard of Oz, a witch, a ghost & Im none of those things in real life.
Hi Miriam, I think Indigenous movie producers could create a big screen movie about the true story of Pocohontas! It sure is a great idea :) Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this topic ❤️🙏
@@MalloryRoseCo I will be watching for the movie to come out! That's what Mel Gibson did with the Passion of Christ and many people said they never really understood the story until they saw the movie...??
Thank you Mallory so much for sharing this information and knowledge of the various points of view that we all have as an individual. Very well put together I’m subscribing to your channel.
I'm not sorry. I was a little (pale) girl from the trailer park running around on Halloween with a Pocahontas costume on. She was my hero. (I understand her hardships and the true story now). She was my hero.
Thank you for a thoughtful, inclusive, well-rounded approach. Although, I fall soundly on one side, I appreciate that there are many perspectives. This is just my perspective, and I’ll honor differing viewpoints. *warning-adult content below* Perhaps there is an additional facet that might cause offense- there are those of us who might be sensitive to the ongoing sexualization and fetishization of Native women, especially considering the epidemic of Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women (as well as Two-Spirit, Non-Binary, Trans, and other at-risk populations). I feel like there are many, many problematic aspects to this movie, but that one seems like it could be the most urgent. For me, I feel like the way the Disney character’s figure is drawn feeds into this country’s sexualization/fetishization of Native women. I think this is especially distasteful in light of the fact that the real Pocahontas was literally stolen from her people (including her husband and young child) and human-trafficked to England, had to endure who-knows-what physically and emotionally and spiritually, and soon after fell victim to an untimely and very suspicious death. She was one of our country’s first Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women. #MMIW To be fair, I must admit that I’m generally not a fan of the Disney princess phenomenon. I hope that, as a society, we can provide better role models for our children. In the case of this particular movie, I’m sure we can find plenty of Native female and Two Spirit role models whose lives and personalities don’t revolve entirely around their idealized and unrealistic romantic life, but are instead are real people living a real life and doing the real, daily, gritty work of helping their communities and upholding their cultural teachings. Let’s uplift those stories! Thanks again for your thoughtful and thought-provoking take on Disney’s version of Pocahontas. As one of her descendants, I appreciate that you recognized her tragic story and were respectful of your viewers’ differing opinions, and I hope you don’t mind me sharing my perspective.
i am a descendent of David Crockett. My wife was Shawnee. Neither of us were ever offended by anyone portraying an Indigenous person for whatever reason although we never went to sporting events where some may dress up as Native We were approached once for advice on a feathered headdress for a teen girl. We refused to cooperate but we often made our own clothing which included hide-making.....
Thank you so much for sharing your experiences and perspectives Michael! I haven't really delved into the topics of Indigenous costumes for sports mascot purposes yet - which could be interesting! I love that you made your own hides, did you made regalia or other craft items using the hide?
@@MalloryRoseCo NO I made frontiersman shirts and pants and tall moccasin boots from deerskin and an elkskin coat My wife made a lot of her own clothing but not from hides. She also made jewelry and knitted socks, caps scarves and sweaters
Respectfulness and consideration are a huge factor in representation. At least your friends took your opinion into their thought process. When people/corporations just take something, claim it as their own, and profit off of it-- it's def offensive.
The most basic way I can put it is you would not see Spirit Halloween store selling Muslim 🧕🏿 or a Turban or a Jewish Yamaka. Why? They are not to be cherished as fashion statements but sacred symbolism for their religions. Native American regalia should be treated the same. Pocahontas is a rewritten mockery of the Pocahontas. Sure, if an Indigenous artist did a completely original Native woman like Pocahontas it would be a positive step. Pocahontas the disney is fabricated and an insult to the memory of her. Also she is usually fetishized as a “Native Princess” I am white too and non-Native. BlackFace was a caricature back in the day and had to go. Pocahontas is nostalgic like Darth Vader is to me but it just needs to stop selling her outfits during Halloween season.
If that fringe isn't real elk hide, I am going to be offended. Euros telling American Indians what they should or should not be offended by is old .. folks need to get a new hobby. Knitting, maybe.
Yes, I am offended by the Native “Costumes” but only because… Our Culture already struggles with missing and murdered indigenous women and young girls getting the appropriate and deserved help with our missing case files Nation wide! I feel it sends the wrong message to some disturbed perverted men out in society when we are mocked as the “sexy native.” I’ve witnessed everything from bare chested Native women in tattoos on men’s arms to pornography depicting our women in braids and headgear as a once video vhs store manager years ago in my early adult youth. (These movies still circulate today online I’m sure.) We aren’t allowed as a society to dress up as a “black slave” or mock the black race in public without repercussions. So why think it’s appropriate to dress as a sexy Native American women if you’re of a different race or even of our race…. It should be BANNED too it sends the WRONG messages to all youth and those too young to be taught who we even are and the TRAUMA we’ve already endured. Example: The REAL meaning of Thanksgiving Holiday is NOT taught to youth! Hope I explained this correctly…
Marie, thank you so much for sharing your perspective about Indigenous Pocahontas costumes being banned. I think your message is very strong and you made a lot of VERY valid points. It's always so important to share our struggles as I agree with you that our youth especially girls need to get more attention in attempt to improve the high cases of missing and murdered Indigenous women ❤❤
personally as a native I feel it would be hard to tell a little girl that she can’t dress up as Pocahontas, I feel there’s other ways to make a costume without those “native” costumes from the store.
Thank you for your response Larussocade! Just to clarify, are you saying that you feel a Pocahontas costume is ok if it's homemade (or not purchased from a store)?
@@MalloryRoseCo Not quite, I mean that in a way that I think a different variation of the costume that isn’t a stereotypical native outfit would be acceptable for a young child that doesn’t understand
Here is a seventh response. The concept of cultural appropriation is, itself, a racist response. All cultures who are in contact with each other adopt or mimic each other's characteristics, ideas, and customs. Trade occurs between disparate cultures all the time; which includes native jewelry, native clothes, food, technology; and this is a good thing. Anything that contributes to peace amongst factions is a good thing. Where would the idea that gatekeeping should occur and that no culture should take any action that has the appearance of mimicking another culture lead? Isolation between the various groups, which can do little more than breed suspicion and fear between the various groups, which leads to more racism. This should not be encouraged. Fundamentally, we are all the same species, right?
Thank you for adding your seventh response to the question Gilian! I think gatekeeping mostly comes from fear and insecurity. I totally agree with you we are all the same species as I try to focus on collective future and collaboration. Your points are extremely valid especially that fear and isolation lead to more racism. Let's overcome it small step my small step 😁❤️🙏
Which of the 6 responses I categorized in this video do you resonate the most with?
I don't think it offensive,Indigenous people are culturaly very rich and scientific.They don't harm anyone, There is no question about to be offensive. Every cultural has own ritual.
La verdadera historia sobre Pocahontas que Inglaterra le robó a España
El marino británico John Smith se habría apropiado de la historia de amor y el sufrimiento del andaluz Juan Ortiz, al que el cacique indio Hirrihigua intentó quemar vivo y matar a flechazos
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Sánchez de Tovar, el héroe español ignorado que remontó el Támesis
Ni Pocahontas jugaba con un mapache llamado Miko ni con Flit, el colibrí. Tampoco, pese al empeño de Disney o Terrence Malick en vender su historia como algo inédito, fue la primera nativa en salvar a un europeo de la muerte. Por no llamarse, la mítica india no se llamaba ni siquiera Pocahontas -apodo que significa «traviesa»-, sino Matoaka, hija del jefe Powhatan. Y su historia de amor con el conquistador británico John Smith, el héroe conciliador que retratan los americanos, es una interpretación libre de las crónicas del inglés. Aunque hay evidencias de la existencia de ambos, no sucede lo mismo con la épica mostrada en el relato del colonizador, que muchos historiadores califican de «exagerado», sobre todo por su parecido a unas aventuras anteriores.
Unas, de hecho, protagonizadas por España, que en lo referente a América se anticipó a Inglaterra en todo, hasta en las grandes hazañas.
Disney, experto en idear el bondadoso reverso de los cuentos clásicos de los hermanos Grimm blanqueando la historia original, endulzó el hipotético encuentro de Pocahontas y ese Smith que estableció Jamestown como el primer asentamiento británico en 1607. Y se olvidó de un joven español llamado Juan Ortiz, supuesto germen del relato del soldado y marino inglés, que algunos historiadores sospechan se inspiró en las crónicas sobre el cautiverio del sevillano en Florida a principios del siglo XVI -cuando Smith ni siquiera había nacido- para escribir otra versión protagonizada por sí mismo.
Mozo sevillano enrolado en la expedición de Pánfilo de Narváez a La Florida, cuenta José María González Ochoa en la entrada que le dedica en el Diccionario Biográfico de la Real Academia de la Historia, que Ortiz fue uno de los pocos supervivientes del naufragio (1528) que no se unió al grupo de Núñez Cabeza de Vaca y que cayó prisionero de los indios durante más de una década, tiempo en el que «aprendió sus lenguas, ritos y los acompañó en sus largos viajes de nómadas. Terminó viviendo como uno más hasta que en 1539 fue rescatado por la expedición de Hernando de Soto a La Florida.
Retrato de John Smith
Retrato de John Smith
Según las crónicas de John Smith, el inglés fue salvado por la hija mayor del jefe de la confederación algonquina en Virginia cuando, maniatado y extendido en el suelo a punto de recibir un mazazo en el cráneo, Matoaka se interpuso entre la muerte y él. Una historia que recuerda demasiado a la protagonizada casi un siglo antes por el español Juan Ortiz, al que la hija del jefe de la tribu de los Tocobaga, localizada en Uzita -en la zona de Tampa donde varias expediciones españolas desembarcaron en el siglo XVI-, libró también de la muerte. Primero, evitó que fuese quemado en una parrilla, que le dejó unas horribles cicatrices de por vida; más tarde le salvó de ser sacrificado a los dioses y, al final, lo envió a la tribu rival de los Timucua, liderada por Mucozo, después de que su tirano padre quisiese matarlo asaeteado.
El confinamiento de Ortiz, al que llama «el christiano cautivo», fascinó al Inca Garcilaso de la Vega, que desarrolló su reclusión en cinco episodios del Libro Segundo de «La Florida del Inca», publicada en 1605, antes de que John Smith se sumase a la compañía londinense que planeaba colonizar Virginia y arribase sobre el cabo Henry.
Ilustración de 1858 en la que la princesa Hirrihigua suplica por la vida de Juan Ortiz
Ilustración de 1858 en la que la princesa Hirrihigua suplica por la vida de Juan Ortiz
«...no desconfíes de mí, ni desesperes de tu vida, ni temas que yo deje de hacer todo lo que pudiere por dártela, si eres hombre y tienes ánimo para huirte, yo te daré favor y socorro para que te escapes, y te pongas en salvo. Esta noche que viene a tal hora y en tal parte hallarás un indio, de quien fío tu salud y la mía; el cual te guiará hasta un puente que está a dos leguas de aquí. Llegando a él, le mandarás que no pase adelante, sino que se vuelva al pueblo antes que amanezca, porque no le echen de menos y se sepa mi atrevimiento y el suyo, y por haberte hecho bien, a él y a mí nos venga mal. Seis leguas más allá del puente está un pueblo, cuyo señor me quiere bien y desea casarse conmigo, llámase Mucozo, dirásle de mi parte que yo te envío a él para que en esta necesidad te socorra y favorezca, como quien es. Yo sé que hará por ti todo lo que pudiere como verás. Encomiéndate a tu Dios, que yo no puedo hacer más en tu favor», recoge el Inca Garcilaso de la Vega que le dijo la princesa Hirrihigua al despedirse.
«Si Ortiz se salvó de ser el plato principal de una ceremonia caníbal fue por la intervención de la hija del jefe, una historia de amor interracial que se adelantó casi un siglo a Pocahontas»
La ira del cacique y su odio mezquino contra los extranjeros no carecía de justificación. Venía motivado por la violencia con la que Pánfilo de Narváez sometió a los indígenas, entre ellos a Hirrihigua, a quien le arrancó la nariz. Una inquina que no solo padeció el joven Ortiz, sino también el resto de cautivos que, al contrario que el sevillano, no pudieron salvar su vida. Unas torturas que cuenta César Cervera en su libro «Superhéroes del Imperio español. Los hombres que forjaron la historia de España», en cuyo capítulo referido a Cabeza de Vaca ya vincula esta historia como el precedente más inmediato de la de Pocahontas: «Prendió a cuatro miembros de la tripulación. En una ceremonia colectiva los desnudó y los puso a correr, uno por uno, alrededor de la plaza de la aldea. A continuación, los indios les clavaron flechas por todo el cuerpo, cuidándose de que ninguna afectara a órganos vitales, porque el cacique quería disfrutar de la muerte lenta y dolorosa de sus enemigos europeos. De los cuatro españoles que quedaron en su poder, sobrevivió un mozo de apenas diez años, natural de Sevilla, llamado Juan Ortiz, al cual Hirrihigua sometió durante tres años a todo tipo de tormentos. Si en ese tiempo se salvó de ser el plato principal de una ceremonia caníbal fue por la intervención de la hija del jefe, una historia de amor interracial que se adelantó casi un siglo a Pocahontas».
«Cristiano soy, señores; no me matéis ni matéis a estos indios, que ellos me han dado la vida»
En 1539, Ortiz fue encontrado por la expedición de Hernando de Soto, que a punto estuvo de acabar con su vida al confundirlo con un nativo: «Cristiano soy, señores; no me matéis ni matéis estos indios, que ellos me han dado la vida», se puede leer en «La Florida del Inca». Según este relato, fue Baltasar de Gallegos quien encontró desnudo al cautivo, «quemado por el sol y traía los brazos labrados, a uso de los indios, y en ninguna cosa difería de ellos». No se escapó para los españoles la útil que podía ser para su empresa en América alguien como Ortiz, que había pasado largo tiempo integrado con unos nativos con los que tenían dificultades para comunicarse. «Assí por sacarlo del poder de los indios como porque lo avía menester para lengua e intérprete de quien se pudiesse fiar», escribe el Hidalgo de Elvas.
Pese a la épica historia protagonizada por Juan Ortiz, convertido después de su confinación en eficaz guía e intérprete de la hueste de Soto por el sur de los actuales Estados Unidos, ni sus gestas sirvieron para ser narradas por Disney ni para escapar de la muerte, ya que a pesar de atravesar medio continente, descubrir el río Misisipi y sobrevivir a la batalla de Mobile, sucumbió a las inclemencias del tiempo. Sin la princesa Hirrihigua para salvarlo, no pudo soportar el duro invierno de 1542, y murió unos meses antes que su jefe.
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the awareness that its fictional and i know the story of the real pocahontas, and the 3rd response that love the pocahontas movie are the 2 i resonate with
As a descendant of the Pohawtan Confederacy, I'm thrilled that you've gone over this "issue of controversy" in detail. Although I'm linked to Pohawtan culturally, I also have a daughter and know how innocent young girls' imaginations can get into a creative, fairytale-like fantasy land. If a young child wants to be Pocahontas - the beautiful, strong, indigenous princess - I say it's okay 👍 SO long as it's not being done in an ignorant or disrespectful way. I also encourage those parents, whether indigenous or not, to look into Pocahontas' true story and background of the Pohawtan Nation. Share what you find with your child (on an age appropriate level of course). It turns into a costume-finding, semi-educational, fun bonding time together! 💕😊
Even as a child, the Disney movie, Pocahontas, made a huge impact on many of my friends as they set out to be Pocahontas in search of their beloved John Smith... until I tried to tell my closer friends that the Disney movie was a total candy coated load of mostly lies and half-truths twisted to fit the typical fairytale. I attempted to tell them the facts about what I did know regarding the factual and historical reality, but I ended up being called the crazy lying one!! 🙄
I only find it offensive when adults dress up as Pocahontas (or adult couples as Pocahontas and John Smith/Rolfe), who flaunt what they're wearing or portraying sheerly for attention and to gain social media followers, and who disrespect the entire cultural background and history of the Pohawtan Confederacy and the Pohawtan Princess! It's particularly offensive when I see these individuals running around neighbourhoods or at Halloween costume parties, while playing or acting (more like mimicking) the stereotypical role of the "Indian" (I strongly dislike that term, but that's exactly what they're doing when they're running in circles, chasing the "cowboys", hooting and hollering sounds while fluttering their hand over their mouths, and aggressively acting like wild idiots!) 😡
Otherwise, if done mindfully, with respect, or with adequate factual knowledge - I don't see it as being an offensive problem. 🤗🧡
Christine, your response was so well articulated, and I'd love to share it in the future 😁😁.I am right there with you, there are right and wrong ways to go about any situation! Thank you so much your support on the topic and for bringing such valuable insights to several of the reasonings that I mentioned. I love how you mentioned always leading with respect, and how important educating yourself (and your children) is for knowing what is respectful, and what isn't ❤😁
I totally agree! My 4yo daughter loves her Disney Pocahontas dress to play dress up and I love that a strong Indigenous woman is recognized in the Disney Princess group. I would never want to cancel Disney Pocahontas because of the differences between the true story or cultural appropriation. I wouldn't let my daughter dress as Pocahontas for Halloween though, there's so many spooky ideas to choose from, I bought her Disney Pocahontas dress for her own fun whenever she wants to wear it instead of being a dress up costume thing.
I really believe parents should consider age appropriate education on the true story of Pocahontas and explain to kids that the movie is a made up story based on someone (and whole culture of people in North America) who lived a hard life, which her real life was not at all the same story. Education is key.
I totally agree I am a Ojibwa Native American and I grew up on this movie and she was my favorite because she looked like me.
I dressed as pocahontas when I was a child and didn't understand it then but did when I became an adult. My daughter loves pocahontas
I’m so glad you describe the different groups of people that were offended by this portrayal of Pocahontas because Indigenous people aren’t a monolith. There are people who care about their culture being represented correctly, and there are people who just do their thing in doing that and don’t care about the costume or film because they know the portrayals are wrong. Somehow indigenous themes and culture resonated with me back in Elementary school way more than the bland culture I grew up with (which might have sparked some people assuming that I was indigenous, but any trace of that in my bloodline wouldn’t be considered relevant). I was able to understand indigenous cultures but didn’t resonate with the Pocahontas film that much outside of knowing that everything has a life, spirit, and name. Thank you for this video!
Thank you so much for the kind words Miss! I also really enjoyed the life and spirit within all living things teaching that the film communicated. 😁❤
I love how you mention that Indigenous culture has resonated with you, and what do you mean by trace of bloodline would be irrelevant?
Wow, Mallory! This was a very informative and thought provoking video. I’m not indigenous but I’m going to say I’m in that 6th group. I’ve always viewed the Indigenous people strong and brave people so I just don’t understand why schools, sports teams, etc. we’re made to change their names if the original one was that of an indigenous tribe. To me it would be a positive and an honorable thing.
I agree the Pocahontas costume is offensive for Halloween. To me it’s disrespectful.
Very happy you chose to make this video. I just had an educational moment with a family member who felt entirely different than myself. I explained that everyone should keep the indigenous people in mind when deciding how to react. I admit that I have felt and could have been in any of these 6 groups at various times in my life. However, I pull from the historical aspect and how many of my indigenous brothers and sisters have been and continue to be treated. As far as Disney films or any other business that make money off our people and do not support the communities is shameful since so much is needed for the wrongs that have been committed. For myself and I hope others I believe education, empathy and true growth can take you from the past to the present.
Jean I LOVE how you have pointed out that you could have been in any of these 6 groups at various points in your life! I am right there with you on this. Education, empathy and true ground can move you forward into the future ❤❤❤ I would say you are in category 7 of awesome 🤩🤩
I'm a big fan of Pocahontas back in 1997, I'm not minding much of her custom.... But her personality of teaching us to respect nature and care for the environment. Pocahontas was a Native American heroine become first befriended with the colonists giving them food and clothing during the severed winter ❄️ and her real life name is Matoaka and nickname Pocahontas means " Little Mischief or Playful Girl "
Thank you so much for sharing this with us, in such a eloquent and concise message ❤ it's greatly appreciated and I love that you are a fan and her teachings portrayed of respecting nature and sustainability. Chi-miigwetch 🤩
@@MalloryRoseCo I've been watching Pocahontas (1995) and Pocahontas 2 Journey To A New World (1998) a countless times also back in 2000, I still don't forget when my cousin's called an insulting name " Stink head " because we know Pocahontas is a Native American and doesn't bathed, that kind of joking still hurts me even now as a grown up 27 yo lad
Exactly. Why would Disney want to frighten kids with the true story as its very traumatic & wouldn’t sit well with them? I like that it taught values to respect nature & for people to get along with each other as Pocahontas stopped a war between her people & the British people in Virginia.
@@flyby3079sorry to inform you but no she didn't
@@henzcarltupas328henzcarltu2you're actually wrong about that, because it was her people that taught the English how to bathe, the native women are actually said to have bathed daily
I’m not offended, I truly believe most people innocently wear it, likely they are thinking it’s a beautiful costume and a beautiful culture. I am Indigenous and personally I am fascinated with other cultures. We often have theme nights in our household in terms of dinners, we make Greek, Mexican, Thai, East Indian and so on. We respect and are open to other cultures and love and respect all cultures and my own. I personally think, for “Halloween” it’s fine wear the costume. Love and respect. 🥰
Thank you so much for sharing your perspective! I absolutely love all cultures too, there are so many lovely similarities, and differences that make each so special ❤🙏Much love!
As a Ojibwa Native American I do not take any offense to this movie. It is absolutely amazing as a little girl to see someone like me. I am not offended whatsoever I honestly think there should be a ride or something in the parks. As long people arnt Fing around and being stupid and making fun of it. If a little girl wants to dress up as a Native American princess that is badass. Me personally growing up got bullied for being native. But when the movie came out I diddnt care anymore because I thought she was the most beautiful princess there was. This is my opinion on the matter.
What a way to spend your time being offended all the time. I am indigenous and I really wonder how we got here. I wear all kinds of clothing created by white people. I wonder should they be offended? Should I still be dressed in deer skins. Let’s just grow up and be caring, loving people helping one another to better times.
Marilyn I love your comment. Being caring and help to one another is honestly everything that matters ❤❤ Miigwetch!
great explanation. I understand all of the responses, but I resonate the most with 5 and 6.
Valinda! Are you my spirit sister? lol These are the exact two I have found myself in as well! 😅
@@MalloryRoseCo lol i would love it if i were. I find you very inspiring over the past courses.
@@valindadamberger7033 😁😁 Thank you so much! What are you being for halloween?
@@MalloryRoseCo lol not Pocahontas. The kids say Halloween should be spooky so i am going as some kind of 7 eyed monster lol. I hand out treats to the kiddos on our neighbourhood hay ride that goes around our country block...about 4 km. The kids love it. Then we have a weiner roast and hot chocolate for them. Fun time! Are you taking your little guy out?
I’m definitely in the not offended category #2 and #3. As a little girl I loved that movie sooo much. I even made a steampunk costume based off of the Disney character. For me the Disney version is fiction and honestly might not have had so much controversy if they had just named everyone with made up names. I think that that was an oversight on the creators part. All the reasons you listed at the end are why I love it. I also love the art and the music. I’m sad that it feels taboo to love that movie now. Honestly without it I wouldn’t have jumped into the real history of Native Americans as hard as I did. I learned so much. I’m grateful for the gracious inclusion I’ve felt from my friends in the Cherokee tribe(in NC). I always felt so much love, even from strangers. I don’t know if I would have cared about the real history without the storytelling of Pocahontas. That character has all of the traits I want, but again, it would have been better if it had been titled differently. Instead of indigenous girls getting their own Disney Princess they got a character that they have to struggle with. To like or not to like. I hope one day Disney creates something, with indigenous creators, that better represents Native American peoples.
I’m interested in seeing what people think of Brother Bear too.
I hear you, Kayla! You have really great points and I agree 100%! It really is sad to think that it feels taboo to love that movie now. If they used made up names instead I also think it would made a difference. Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts! 🧡
I would say I'm in the #2 and #3 category of not offended. I wasn't aware Pocahontas was inspired by a real person when i first watched it. I read the real story, but it didn't change my opinion of the film. It is still one my favorite Disney films. When it comes to the costume, I would say a white person dressing in native clothing isn’t the best choice to wear.
There’s so much to unpack in this one question. I don’t think it’s offensive, but I do find many people lack the education. I think we need to accept that it’s up to us to teach other people, children, etc., because it’s not being taught in schools and that’s just a downhill slope at this point. I’m not an indigenous person myself, however this could easily be compared to many of the women who are portrayed as “Disney Princesses”. In my culture, it would be Anastasia, and of course the Disney storyline is completely off, and she died in a horrible way, and she did not continue the Royal family as it’s portrayed in the movie. But I’m not at all offended if someone not of my culture dresses as her for Halloween, nor am I offended if someone not of culture dances her character in the ballet. The major reason for this is it continues to create division, and division is currently playing a huge role in the destruction of todays society.
I can appreciate your response in many people do lack the education - but it doesn't always mean it has to be 'offensive' right?!
I definitely thought of this same perspective for other Disney characters that are portrayed as a 'nice story'. Thanks so very much for sharing your thoughts ❤️🙏
It is offensive. Accurate depictions of indigenous peoples is a major problem in education, in books, television and other media. Disney should have never called the movie what they did because it just continues to perpetualize false narratives of history and tries to make it okay. My children like the movie, but I take responsibility for teaching them about the difference between false narratives and true narratives. Tribal regalia is meant for ceremony and is sacred and a representation of the individual and their beliefs; it is not meant for Halloween and dressing up, even if your intentions are as an ally. There are other ways to support your indigenous friends and allies. Indigenous people in the U.S. are so infrequently a part of the conversation, anytime there are polls or discussion about minority groups, indigenous people are not even mentioned. We need positive REAL representation.
Thank you for sharing your points of view Mikoplayz ! I appreciate you saying that tribal regalia is meant for ceremony. I agree with you completely that it is sacred and a representative of the individual - I couldn't agree more actually as that is what my grandma taught me 😁. You hit the nail right on the head with the need for REAL positive representation! Miigwetch ❤️❤️
True but i feel a kid would be haunted by the true story of Pocahontas because of what she went through unless it was a young teen watching the movie. Maybe they shouldn’t have even made the movie at all & only an adult depiction of the true story. I was only about 8 when it came out so I’m not sure how i would’ve reacted as a kid watching it. Yes the truth should be told but there’s an appropriate age i feel for telling the real story since she went through stuff like child marriage & early death.
Thank you for this. You explain this in a wonderful way. Myself, I have been on the fence as to whether or not I find it offensive and honestly after watching this video I recognize that my belief in the topic has elements of both sides. You have given me some food for thought ❤ thank you
Thank you so much for watching, and sharing your opinion Krystal! I am right there with you on feeling different perspectives at different times. ❤ with much Love & appreciation!
Sorry, I have more questions than answers. CNB below touches on some aspects of my sentiment but I think the current culture is such that the Gate Keepers are yelling the loudest driving their initiatives. This is creating some cultural awareness but at what cost? I didn't used to care, now I feel differently, although I might just be getting older :). Yes, the cultural appropriation term is being used quite a bit, it seems.
I completely agree the gatekeepers do yell the loudest! You're right Mark, at what cost? When it's making people afraid to even attempt to participate out of fear of being excluded or shouted at. Often people who could REALLY use healing from cultural teachings get discouraged by these loud voices, which is such a shame. Thank you again for your support 😁❤️
As a child I loved Pocahontas so much I insisted on being her. I loved her so much. Although as an adult I understand why people feel offended, but as a child I loved her spirit and Resilience so much. I just wanted to be her. I really loved her. Still love her Even though by the second mobile I hated how Disney didnt give her justice
Absolutely loved your video for honouring all ways of feeling about this topic. I identify with #6 and 5...we need as many brave ,positive role models , like you too , in this world today; role models from all genders, ethnicities.
Thank you for all your hard work in producing a very clear presentation of all the voices you surveyed. "Towards understanding " is a great motto for your work. Bravo!👏👍🏿🙏🏽
Thank you so much Sudha! Your response is very important to me and really appreciate the kind words ❤🙏
I really love this video. Sounds like you have put a lot of work into this .. I am on the same page as you when it comes to this question..and i also respect most reactions here.. We all have a story and a reason for why we feel what we do... BUT i find the Gatekeepers being to much.. Funny thing that the gatekeepers/SJW are hardly ever a real part of anything they are gatekeeping. Have seen this a lot lately - also when it comes to Pride, BLM etc. Looks like some people loves to be miserable and call out others.. I am proud of my fathers indigenous side - but i have not grown up with the culture - sadly... I am scared to do anything wrong and that has held me back from enjoying what could be a fantastic part of my life - espec. because of gatekeepers/SJW... But that are my fears and i need to work on them. Hopefully it will change into something positive .
Wish You and your team a great Halloween.
Thank you so much for the kind words!! I agree we do all have valid reasons for feeling the way that we do, and it's important to at least try to understand multiple perspectives. It shows a great deal of strength that you can first identify the fear in participating and enjoying. You are always welcome to join in on any of the (virtual) events we host - and hope you can lean into your fathers Indigenous side a little more with time. ❤ Miigwetch & happy halloween 🎃
Well done. Very informative. Left me wanting to hear you tell Pocahantas' story-- the accurate version, lol.
I really love the care and time you took to explain all the ways of thinking. I’d say I’m #6. I LOVE Pocahontas. As a young 3 year old boy, Pocahontas was the first character I fell in love with. She opened up my imagination and was one of those female role models so many young queer boys have. I saw her as powerful, brave, beautiful, adventurous, and fighting for peace. I feel like she had so many great attributes that resembled the real Pocahontas. My parents told me the story was based off a real historical figure, but the story was not accurate. I read many books on the real Pocahontas growing up, did book reports and was able to separate the two. I’ve always been Disney obsessed and Pocahontas has been the center of it for me. However, I’m also white and it’s not my place to tell an indigenous person how to feel about Disney’s portrayal. Her real story is very sad and tragic, and indigenous people deserve to have their stories told properly and for the history to be told in a true way. I think for ME I can see how people may want to dress up as the Disney version because of their love and admiration of her. Many have a true and genuine love for Pocahontas and should also tell her real story as well. Not gloss over history and not support the indigenous people. I think little girls dressing up as Pocahontas should be fine. Adult non-indigenous women dressing up as a sexualized version of Pocahontas (in an intentional slutty way, not the actual Disney costume is a problem). Basically, I think you can love and respect Disneys Pocahontas but also tell her true story and support Native Americans today.
Thank you for speaking on the different viewpoints. I don’t resonate with any but can understand all of the positions people take on the matter. I’m listening and learning so I appreciate this conversation.
Thank you for the kind words Miss! Also thank you for listening and learning ❤️❤️🙏
@@MalloryRoseCo 🤗 I feel it’s the only true way to reconnect. Everyone has a different trauma response and I want to learn to hear the intention / commitment behind the words and pain. I believe there is no one for me to change but myself and everyone has something to teach me in some capacity so I try to listen to all perspectives. 😊
I really like this video. It is complicated. There are examples of absolute appropriation and absolute appreciation with everything in between. There are many good comments here already. Adding to what someone is saying about how some adults are dressing up as Pocahontas is the sexualization. Sex is a healthy part of the human experience but no one should be reduced to that.
Long ago I was an educator. I liked to foster critical, analytical thinking skills. If this subject arose in a class I would ask the students what they thought and why. If I thought they had not gone far enough, I would ask them to do some research.
Am I ever offended by the Pocahontas costume? I am when I see advertisements for it. It's the commercialization without appreciation. But I don't focus on it.
Thank you WhiteCrow! Yes I agree it is so complicated. Thank you for being so open minded in your comment. Also thank you for being an educator, I love your approach to encouraging students to self reflect and dig deep for answers 🤩🤩
I appreciate your perspective, Mallory.
Thank you so much for the kind words Stephen! 😁
Thank you for such a balanced and respectful info piece - I am in the What..ev or Love category. I don't like being cancelled by the gatekeepers or shamers...
I hear you Dena! I don't like being cancelled either ❤🙏
Thank you for sharing, Mallory. I very much appreciate your channel :)
Thank you so much for your support Sheryl! I really appreciate the kind words 🙏❤
Having watched this video, I think it's not offensive. Just as long there are good intentions for wearing it. I have seen pictures of models on runways with head dresses prancing about that have no link to the clothes. That is offensive.
Thanks for sharing your point of view Leslie!
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I agree the models with headdresses are... 🙈(theres no words)
Oki Mallory - This is just my take on this subject so everyone please do not think you have to be offended. In my view people who constantly are offended by stuff in their lives may have a mental disorder. If your constantly offended by what others do or say says to me that your not paying attention to what you need to do to correct issues in your own life that should take presidence over all other things around you. Being offended is a way to avoid the corrections and pathways to peace that you know are a problem but you don't necessarily see as an issue or know how to correct or see the correction as to hard a path to follow. Then there are the nare-do-wells who have just to much time in their lives and want to be attraction needing people.
All these problems are and issue of the EGO. If you allow yourself to be driven by EGO you have lost the battle. In Hawiian HUNA tradition there is a little child in all of us called the Unihipili, which is constantly competing with the Higher Self or Aumakua. There is constantly a contest between the child self and the higher self for control. The task of a HUNA practitioner is to find balance between the two selfs and the conscious Self, the Uhane. This makes up the 3 Selfs that must be in balance to attain a peaceful life. Being offended for every little slight is a task to be put aside and pay attention to things in your personal life that truly matter. Your EGO most times is your enemy! Spend the time some of you normally do protesting and start meditating! Done properly it will change your life.
Grant, I love how you mention, "Your EGO most times is your enemy!" this is so true and I couldn't agree more! Thank you so much for sharing your perspectives on how detrimental it can be when you allow things to offend you. 🙏
I've never heard of this teaching about Unihipili, Aumakua, and Uhane but I am really interested to learn more about this balance between the 3 selfs that you introduced above. If you don't mind me asking, where can I learn more? 😁❤️
Personally as a woman, I find this costume offensive. We would not find appropriate a costume of Anne Franks or Helen Betty Osborne. It is not just the over 1500 murdered and missing First Nations women that looms large in my thinking but rather when we let big business dictate what we will consider okay when they totally sexualize women. I am sorry but Our Prime minister was called out for black face for Halloween so why is this any different. The Super Heroes are in our own homes and communities. They are the mothers and aunties who have given so much in spite of all the odds. The bottom line is Pocahontas was a child who was the victim of rape and held hostage by a colonial system that did not regard her as human. She died an early death unable to go home to her child or her family. I am not sure what category that puts me in, but I try very hard not to slot people into little check boxes.
Thank you very much for sharing Gail! Your points are all so extremely valid and I appreciate you taking the time to share them with everyone ❤. It's just for the purposes of presenting information in an organized way (why I created categories) 😁 🙏
In learning to be an Indigenous ally I am struggling with this topic. Part of me feels that it is appropriate to portray Pocahontas only if it is historically correct. (I will look into the true story) I struggle with the idea of portraying an abused Indigenous woman as having lived an unabused respected life at the hands of a white man. I do respect the wonderful, strong characteristics of portrayed by Disney though. This really is a difficult topic.
It sure is a difficult topic! Which group of people mentioned in the video do you belong to? 😊
Sitting on the fence until I learn more.
Amazon still has “Native American costumes” on their searches 😭
The ads show whites in the cosplays?????
So appropriated
Most little girls I know love & admire Pocohontas...Disney profits from this.
Halloween which means Holy Eve was a celebration of one's favorite Saint so theu dressed up as a Saint & knew well their life story. Somehow it got changed to scary costumes & how much candy we can get!
Once again the true story needs to be told, so perhaps those making movies & costumes could unclude the true story in a summary form, or dont portray or make costumes for what they dont know! Could the Indigenous make a big screen movie about Pocohontas...the truth?
There are now communities that celebrate Halloween in a varietu of simple ways without costumes and no door to door...more about games & a movie.
My guess is many people dont know the true story & should not be blamed. Instead go to the bigger source of coverup or unknowing and bring awareness. I used to wear red ruby slippers for Halloween being Dorothy from Wizard of Oz, a witch, a ghost & Im none of those things in real life.
Hi Miriam, I think Indigenous movie producers could create a big screen movie about the true story of Pocohontas! It sure is a great idea :) Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this topic ❤️🙏
@@MalloryRoseCo I will be watching for the movie to come out! That's what Mel Gibson did with the Passion of Christ and many people said they never really understood the story until they saw the movie...??
Thank you Mallory so much for sharing this information and knowledge of the various points of view that we all have as an individual. Very well put together I’m subscribing to your channel.
Thank you so much watching, commenting, and subscribing! Your support is very much appreciated ❤❤
I'm not sorry. I was a little (pale) girl from the trailer park running around on Halloween with a Pocahontas costume on. She was my hero. (I understand her hardships and the true story now). She was my hero.
Absolutely offensive and it should not need explaining.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts! 🙏🏽
Thank you for a thoughtful, inclusive, well-rounded approach. Although, I fall soundly on one side, I appreciate that there are many perspectives.
This is just my perspective, and I’ll honor differing viewpoints. *warning-adult content below*
Perhaps there is an additional facet that might cause offense- there are those of us who might be sensitive to the ongoing sexualization and fetishization of Native women, especially considering the epidemic of Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women (as well as Two-Spirit, Non-Binary, Trans, and other at-risk populations).
I feel like there are many, many problematic aspects to this movie, but that one seems like it could be the most urgent.
For me, I feel like the way the Disney character’s figure is drawn feeds into this country’s sexualization/fetishization of Native women. I think this is especially distasteful in light of the fact that the real Pocahontas was literally stolen from her people (including her husband and young child) and human-trafficked to England, had to endure who-knows-what physically and emotionally and spiritually, and soon after fell victim to an untimely and very suspicious death.
She was one of our country’s first Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women. #MMIW
To be fair, I must admit that I’m generally not a fan of the Disney princess phenomenon. I hope that, as a society, we can provide better role models for our children. In the case of this particular movie, I’m sure we can find plenty of Native female and Two Spirit role models whose lives and personalities don’t revolve entirely around their idealized and unrealistic romantic life, but are instead are real people living a real life and doing the real, daily, gritty work of helping their communities and upholding their cultural teachings. Let’s uplift those stories!
Thanks again for your thoughtful and thought-provoking take on Disney’s version of Pocahontas.
As one of her descendants, I appreciate that you recognized her tragic story and were respectful of your viewers’ differing opinions, and I hope you don’t mind me sharing my perspective.
i am a descendent of David Crockett. My wife was Shawnee. Neither of us were ever offended by anyone portraying an Indigenous person for whatever reason although we never went to sporting events where some may dress up as Native We were approached once for advice on a feathered headdress for a teen girl. We refused to cooperate but we often made our own clothing which included hide-making.....
Thank you so much for sharing your experiences and perspectives Michael! I haven't really delved into the topics of Indigenous costumes for sports mascot purposes yet - which could be interesting! I love that you made your own hides, did you made regalia or other craft items using the hide?
@@MalloryRoseCo NO I made frontiersman shirts and pants and tall moccasin boots from deerskin and an elkskin coat My wife made a lot of her own clothing but not from hides. She also made jewelry and knitted socks, caps scarves and sweaters
Respectfulness and consideration are a huge factor in representation. At least your friends took your opinion into their thought process. When people/corporations just take something, claim it as their own, and profit off of it-- it's def offensive.
The most basic way I can put it is you would not see Spirit Halloween store selling Muslim 🧕🏿 or a Turban or a Jewish Yamaka. Why?
They are not to be cherished as fashion statements but sacred symbolism for their religions.
Native American regalia should be treated the same.
Pocahontas is a rewritten mockery of the Pocahontas.
Sure, if an Indigenous artist did a completely original Native woman like Pocahontas it would be a positive step.
Pocahontas the disney is fabricated and an insult to the memory of her. Also she is usually fetishized as a “Native Princess”
I am white too and non-Native.
BlackFace was a caricature back in the day and had to go.
Pocahontas is nostalgic like Darth Vader is to me but it just needs to stop selling her outfits during Halloween season.
Those are very great and valid points. Thank you so much for sharing, DryRot! 🙏🏽🧡
If that fringe isn't real elk hide, I am going to be offended. Euros telling American Indians what they should or should not be offended by is old .. folks need to get a new hobby. Knitting, maybe.
Thanks for your feedback. I have never tried knitting, I don't have the coordination for it personally.
Yes, I am offended by the Native “Costumes” but only because… Our Culture already struggles with missing and murdered indigenous women and young girls getting the appropriate and deserved help with our missing case files Nation wide! I feel it sends the wrong message to some disturbed perverted men out in society when we are mocked as the “sexy native.” I’ve witnessed everything from bare chested Native women in tattoos on men’s arms to pornography depicting our women in braids and headgear as a once video vhs store manager years ago in my early adult youth. (These movies still circulate today online I’m sure.) We aren’t allowed as a society to dress up as a “black slave” or mock the black race in public without repercussions. So why think it’s appropriate to dress as a sexy Native American women if you’re of a different race or even of our race…. It should be BANNED too it sends the WRONG messages to all youth and those too young to be taught who we even are and the TRAUMA we’ve already endured. Example: The REAL meaning of Thanksgiving Holiday is NOT taught to youth! Hope I explained this correctly…
Marie, thank you so much for sharing your perspective about Indigenous Pocahontas costumes being banned. I think your message is very strong and you made a lot of VERY valid points. It's always so important to share our struggles as I agree with you that our youth especially girls need to get more attention in attempt to improve the high cases of missing and murdered Indigenous women ❤❤
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Thank you Mallory ❤️
Gratidão!!! A'ho!!!
Chi-miigwetch ! ❤
personally as a native I feel it would be hard to tell a little girl that she can’t dress up as Pocahontas, I feel there’s other ways to make a costume without those “native” costumes from the store.
Thank you for your response Larussocade! Just to clarify, are you saying that you feel a Pocahontas costume is ok if it's homemade (or not purchased from a store)?
@@MalloryRoseCo Not quite, I mean that in a way that I think a different variation of the costume that isn’t a stereotypical native outfit would be acceptable for a young child that doesn’t understand
Here is a seventh response. The concept of cultural appropriation is, itself, a racist response. All cultures who are in contact with each other adopt or mimic each other's characteristics, ideas, and customs. Trade occurs between disparate cultures all the time; which includes native jewelry, native clothes, food, technology; and this is a good thing. Anything that contributes to peace amongst factions is a good thing. Where would the idea that gatekeeping should occur and that no culture should take any action that has the appearance of mimicking another culture lead? Isolation between the various groups, which can do little more than breed suspicion and fear between the various groups, which leads to more racism. This should not be encouraged. Fundamentally, we are all the same species, right?
Thank you for adding your seventh response to the question Gilian! I think gatekeeping mostly comes from fear and insecurity. I totally agree with you we are all the same species as I try to focus on collective future and collaboration. Your points are extremely valid especially that fear and isolation lead to more racism. Let's overcome it small step my small step 😁❤️🙏
@@MalloryRoseCo I wish you well, miss.
Also, honestly as a black woman, I kind of have slight “ offended” feelings about The Princess and the Frog. 😅
Yes I heard that there were also concerns about the movie. Which part of the movie made you slightly offended? If you don't mind me asking. 😊
the Pocahontas costume portrays an inaccurate image of the cultural dress wear.
So yes I do think it's offensive..
Thank you for sharing your thoughts, Adam! 🙏🏽
at this point I assume you are offended by everything everywhere. Grow up. Move on