Sponsored by Ground News: Compare news coverage. Spot media bias. Avoid algorithms. Try Ground News today and get 50% off your subscription by going to ground.news/perun G'day all, and welcome to the penultimate video of 2024. How do you fight a naval war without much of a navy? If the war in Ukraine is anything to go by, the answer is missiles, intelligence & angry robo-boats. And now, we're seeing those drones equipped with the ability to shoot back against defenders, mounting increasingly complex weapons - or even being used as drone carrier to launch yet more drones. And based on the trajectory in 2024, I suspect 2025 will be full of developments that make the Ukrainian USV force even more dangerous. I will note one audio flub - when referring to a chart on screen of Houthi attacks against ships in the Red Sea, I mix up the terms "attacks" and "hits" - the mistake is pretty clear in context and the slide is correct but thought I'd flag it.
Perun (or anyone else reading this) I am sick as shit. I just took like two tablets of co-Amoxiclav, is it possible to reduce illness duration to just today and tomorrow? Because I have important things tomorrow that I can't miss.
Man, I dunno what it is, but literally everyone on TH-cam is now plugging Ground News. FFS, we all know already. The real question I have is: can Ground News make me a Scottiosh Lord or what? If they throw in a VPN at an 87% discount, I'll sign.
One fantastic consequence of the rapid evolution of drone warfare is that all militaries are suddenly a lot less likely to start wars. Every year this war continues might well delay an attack on Taiwan, South Korea or Kashmir. And delays might allow for avoidance.
I'm kind of surprised we haven't seen a drone that operates a bit like early submarines, mainly a surface vessel, but capable of diving for a short while to approach a ship. It would render machine guns pretty much ineffective against it if it were just a meter or two under the surface. I guess you'd need the final approach to be autonomous for that to work, and it would make the drone either heavier or slower.
@@spudd86it could have the starlink on a floating buoy that it could deploy at say 1000 or 500 meters connected by a fibre optic cable. That would allow the operator to retain control even if it’s underwater right up to impact. Similar to those used on torpedoes. Thinking that if we could donate a few torpedoes with just a launch tube for a surface drone that may even be better. They are fast and pack a big punch.
According to Russian authorities everything used again their assets gets shot down but some damage is caused by “debris”. Ukraine certainly makes some highly effective “debris”.
@@MaximumEfficiency you've never seen a woman in your life, boris the bot. Even your mom left you to the wolves, but they have respect for their intestines and didnt touch the spoiled meat
@@MaximumEfficiency Because he is a comedian. He was doing a comedy bit. Are you so insecure in your sexuality that you can not even conceive of a man wearing a skirt? Perhaps you have a nagging doubt in the back of your head wondering what it is like. - Regardless, this is wildly off topic. Go away.
Heyo, just today HUR released first footage of a sea drone (Magura V5) downing a Mi-8 helicopter with an R-73 missile. Don't suppose anyone will notice the comment, however, I had to return here after I saw the footage.
That's seriously impressive. Fitting MANPADS to these small USVs is one thing but mounting an R-73 and getting it to work is a whole new level of lethality.
once again i must rain a little on this parade. Poland kept trading with Russia way into the war. sadly money makes memory shorter and principals blurrier for most ppl. now add generation changing what kind of memory and principals would be left?
@@mrpicky1868EU and US still does… For example, EU is importing products refined from Russian crude oil in third countries. So cars in Europe are using petrol made from Russian oil. German cars and machinery are flowing into Russia via Kazachstan. Germans pretend there is nothing they can do about 5000% increase in demand for high end Mercedes and BMW in Kazachstan. Russians paraded German made road construction machines during the repair of Crimean bridge. Have a look at the pictures... NASA astronaut Tracy Dyson was returned to earth on September 23, 2024, in a Russian Soyuz MS-25 spacecraft that landed in Kazakhstan. American Haas Automation is still indirectly supplying precision CNC machines to Russia. Haas stopped direct shipments to Russia but play dumb about sudden increase of demand from distributors in countries bordering with and friendly to Russia, probably following German example.
If he was picking off targets with a backwards scope, get that man an award! It really seems like it was a prank and a picture quickly got snapped. I'm pretty sure someone would have set up and handed him that rifle.
"Temu tier tool of naval power projection" is my favorite Perun quote of the video so far but there have been a large number of great number of them today.
@@Calvin_CoolageHe lives in Admiralty building. It aint highest but he has wicked throw. And he throws only best Zeiss. He was properly competent officer with glass.
Used to love wasting hour after hour playing C&C especially as the GLA as it felt like taking on far more powerful enemies using just VW Vans and Toyota Pick Ups
Thank you Perun for another year of great videos, I am always looking forward to them. Have a great Christmas. All you Perun fans out there, I wish you a great Christmas, too (or at least a great time, if you do not celebrate it). Also light a candle and, if you can, donate something to all the people in Ukraine, who have to endure another wartime Christmas. I hope you all stay save.
I can totally see ukraine become an exporter of these systems. Yes they might be quite easy to produce, but the ukrainians are currently the only ones with actual experience in operating unmanned naval vessels, and that should go a long way in making them world leaders. Especially Taiwan is probably looking at the concept. A few hundred next gen naval kamikaze/attack drones. Would make PLA landings an even bigger nightmare than they innevitably would be.
@@badluck5647 that's really just a matter of software and better chips. You could make 90% of a drone in Ukraine and install American guidance almost as easily as plugging in a USB
@neolithictransitrevolution427 Except the Ukrainians are importing the engines from Asia. The rest of the parts aren't anything a garage mechanic couldn't build. It's great for Ukraine for Ukraine, but it wouldn't be competitive in an export market.
"Russia is still building warships." Yeah, my uncle Bill is still drinking, too. He can fight anybody, and he is well known for fighting anybody while drinking. People at the cutting edge of therapy and recovery call that "Continuing to dig a hole."
Russians managed to have submarine sailor defecting while his sub was at bottom of Baltic Sea under Kriegsmarine depth charge attack. He just blowed all ballast tanks when rest of crew was sleeping, and in surface climbed to conning tower and jumped. Germans fished him out of sea.
Perun, when are we going to get some coverage analyzing the wider implications to the rest of the world of the new, extremely effective Ukrainian weapon: falling debris? Given the substantial damage Russia is experiencing on the receiving end of this system, I'm shocked we don't hear more about its design and development process.
the front fell off, the crane crushed the deck, the admiral lost a fist fight with a drone, there seems to be a few ways russia ruins its own navy Quick reminder that 16 soviets admirals once died because they overloaded a plane with random shit Its like a real life slapstick dark comedy
In fairness, the man fully appreciated that Russia was a pushover after the fall of the USSR, and that the *_Soviet_* forces were reasonably capable since they had an entirely different approach to war, _and_ nations that had an actual military tradition as part of the Warsaw Pact.
@@ALLMINDmercenarysupportsystem Yeah, it basically sums up Russian history. But their military, especially the navy, seems geared towards it as a goal instead of it just happening.
"Rather than trying to maintain this very aggressive rate of artificial reef construction..." - Perun is on fire today, glad I wasn't drinking anything because I probably would have spit it out.
The use of Neptunes on land targets is one reasons Ukraine needs to end the moratorium on arms exports. Being able to sell proven anti-ship missles and buy munitions fit to purpose makes much more sense than using a system that's "close-enough" just because they have extras.
It also is just a matter that they're already buying at the limit of what a lot of countries are willing to expend you know. Plus I'd be curious. They may have a reason. Don't always assume apathy. Especially when a country is fighting for its life from Cain, constantly trying to kill its brothers.
They probably get more Good Enough hits on land targets with neptune than they would selling them and using the cash to buying purpose built land attack missiles. Especially since their own labor costs are significantly cheaper
The land target Neptune model is different from the sea version. I assume that Ukraine doesn't want to sell either version to other countries is to maintain secrecy. Wikipedia says Ukraine named the land version the "Long Neptune". Wikipedia doesn't talk about the differences other than the guidance package. I don't know of any reason the land version wouldn't be appropriate for use on land.
If Ukraine started selling weapons abroad it'd hand a huge argument to critics in the countries shipping weapons to them...'we are giving Ukraine weapons for free and meanwhile they are selling weapons, so clearly we don't need to give them any more'
Amusingly the “future of drones” section appears to mostly be stuff that Ukraine has already done in recent weeks. Drone swarms, stabilized guns, drone carriers - we’ve seen all that already. The underwater drones is the only one we haven’t seen.
One has to admire the Russian’s for their persistence, in 300 years they invested and reinvested in building a navy. And the best returns have been valiant escapes or defeats….. 😢 Even this has not been achieved in this war. A third of their Black Sea fleet is sunk, the rest is in hiding and almost as scared as Putin himself. Meanwhile Ukraine 🇺🇦 is trading through the Black Sea at pre war levels. This goes beyond even the regular Russian naval incompetence. We must also ascribe it to an incredible Ukrainian ingenuity and courage
Yeah, you'd figure that they'd realize that a (surface) navy just isn't going to work for them after that debacle a little over a hundred years ago. And apparently you'd be wrong.
Towards the Ottoman Empire their navy has been fairly successfull. Which is why Turkey today is so smug about Russia's Black Sea fleet getting decimated. It is no surprise they are building Ukraine's ships today.
After the Cole bombing, our cruiser was refitted with a 25mm chain gun (like the ones on Bradley IFVs) fired from essentially a much larger machine gun mount.
@@jackthorton10 Well, depending on how fast those drones are, if the CIWS can't take it out, a 25mm cannon round or dozen can do it. But, if the US Navy has a natural enemy, it's aerial or subsurface opponents. That's why our job as a cruiser was to protect the carrier in our battlegroup.
I'm not that well read into Naval stuff but are there any plans or current modifications that feature systems like the Skyranger 30/35 series with air burst rounds? I know the ciwis is a thing, but I was thinking rapid fire 30mm proximity fuses would be handy with a very high fire rate
@@Jonathan-yu9ui Not really needed. The chain gun was fired essentially from the shoulder (not really, but that's how it looks when you get behind the mount). It was for close-in, surface defense in port without the need to fire up a radar or other combat tracking system. Active radar is kind of frowned upon when in a foreign port. At sea, the weapon, while still useful, would be overly redundant, what with all the other guns and missiles, and a carrier air wing. Heck, our 5 inch guns have rounds with prox. fuses for anti-missile defense.
25:30 "In Slavic mythology, the name Magura is interpreted as the daughter of Perun, the god of thunder and lightning along with war and warriors." - Wikipedia. An interesting connection there!
As always, Intelligent, honest and trustworthy content. Thank you for your time and dedication to accurate and reporting without the drama so often pushed by others. Wishing you a very Happy Christmas and prosperous new year Perun. Onwards and upwards, Slava Ukraine!
I know we take it for granted these days, but it's worth reminding everyone that targeting civilian food supplies is yet another war crime that we should be holding them accountable for...
Honestly when you said rotary wing response to sea drones I was expecting quadcopters, not entire helicopters. If the mere existence of sea drones requires a permanent helicopter overwatch you've already won.
I feel like the need for overwatch was generally already the case in most theaters to monitor submarines, however. It's only the black seas Russian dominance that made this unnecessary.
I think there is an important thing to point out about the presence of the gun-weilding USVs. One of the counters that Russian helicopters had against the missile equipped drones was by flying low and fast, the USV had to maneuver a LOT to try to get a firing solution. The presence of the heavy machine guns push the helicopters up higher in the sky. That extra height means the missile boats have a larger cone and a longer time to get a target lock. The machine guns will keep the helicopters high and honest, and into the teeth of the heat seeker head. The two will compliment each other nicely.
28:25 - Perun, I am disappointed you'd make such a hyperbolic claim. Surely the US has enough ordnance to flatten every structure with a roof in, say, Vatican City. Please be more careful and nuanced in the future, thanks.
Man, if that article about a Navy commander with a backwards scope wasn't clearly from NPR, I would have assumed that was clearly Onion material. Outstanding. edit- Before I get any surprise gifts from my friends in the Navy - This is clearly not meant to say it is representative of our Navy. Every profession everywhere has people you wish the public would never see.
@@jamesharding3459 Like maintainers who insist left is for tightening on a standard thread bolt.... I know I had one in my group at USAALS on JBEL, and I thought Army Aviation was the only part of the Army to actually have stamdards.
@@GoldPicard as a European civvy I can hardly think of anything using reverse thread except for stuff connected to (right turning) motorised parts and gas bottles - are they more common in the US/Military?
Merry Christmas Perun. Thanks for informing and entertaining us at the same time during the last couple of years. Wishing you and yours an enjoyable break and all the best for 2025 🙂
Merry Christmas and God bless Perun! "Poland rebuilding russian ships.... heat death of the universe" I almost spit out my coffee when I heard that! "HOld my beer" The last couple years I have learned so much from your videos and they have been so entertaining too! Terra Invicta! Your defense of Jupiter with 2-4 battleships against never ending hordes of xenos is still rewatched often good sir! I hope more people discover your content and not only find great entertainment but are also inspired to learn more about this world and its truths instead of just taking in the ignorance and bias of most media sources. Please have a wonderful holiday and I hope your sunday school on military analysis and geopolitics continues well past 2025!
Question. Is there any school of thought on drone forces having an impact on willingness of troops to risk themselves in an attack. Such as if drones become so prolific troops would begin asking, "why am I risking my life when a drone could do it" and the impact of that on morale?
That's a really good question, intuitively one would think that a soldier would feel a lot less warm and fuzzy inside about popping their head over a ditch when the possibility of sending a few FPVs over first exists. I'm guessing that given their availability, the amount of soldiers that find themselves under heavy fire on the front lines without any drone support would be minimal. It seems like most squads in combat in Ukraine have a dedicated drone warfare operator these days. The extent to which this impacts the combat power of a soldier or formation should and probably already is being researched by military psychologists or whoever does that stuff.
I assume the biggest hit to moral is feeling like your contenders don't value your lives. There are so many ways that can be true besides sending meat instead of drones. And adding one more evidence of that when you already know it to be true may have some effect, but not a much as you'd think
There has been a recent all ground drone assault by the Ukrainian forces. 😅 The Russian forces apparently gave up the contested ground. 😂 Then there was the Ukrainian auto guns that held up RUF assaults on some of their positions ages ago.
Honestly, it's nigh impossible to *not* upvote every single one of Perun's videos. There may be some you're more or less interested in topic-wise, but generally there doesn't seem to be a single "bad" one. All are meticulously researched, with facts playing the main role, even if they're uncomfortable or outright "bad" for the majority of viewers, i.e. his audience (compare e.g. Artur Rehi, who's been a nice source of semi-confirmed "up-to-date information" but strays more and more into fictional territory or outright falsehoods in something I can only interpret as a push to better please his main audience).
I said it at the beginning of Russia's invasion, it's not that drones are difficult technology. It's more how terrifying the thin veneer of safety actually is we have based our entire society on.
Yes, the naval war hasn't received as much of my attention as it should have, so thank you for producing this presentation that focusses on it. Excellent work, Mr Perun. And a very merry Christmas to you, too!
The pride I felt when at min. 35:00 you mentioned Germany having an actually functioning helicopter and it even destroyed an enemy drone?! That's amazing! I didn't know we were capable of such things 😂🤣
For the drones, low observability is also a feature on many modern cruise missile systems. It’s serving the same purpose on the drones as on the missiles, reducing the reaction time of enemies to give the warhead a better chance to reach its target.
Perun mentioned Russian submarines. There was just one and that swallowed a couple of Storm Shadows. Their duplex w@rheads will have significantly reorganised the internal decorations.
Navy: We're a transport ship. We don't have any guns. We can't do anything to that target. Marines: Open the cargo bay. Navy: What ? Why ? Marines: You heard me.
MERRY XMAS!!!! thanks perun. you have been such a gift for us this years. spoiling us with great content we love. never in my life I would imagine I would love to see some shitty slides with a guy narrating. it became my favourite channel.
For that matter some of those naval drones were probably made in Gdansk too. I think that because I saw them being transported into Ukraine from Poland.
@@thelvadam2884True, would just take a change in leadership, a systematic culture change through state education promoting modern Western values and dissuading the historical subjugation and imperialism of the Russian elite over the serfs and hinterland ethnic minorities, and the turn over of two or three generations to allow the already ingrained cultural norms to dissipate, so could be done in 50-70 years. But you would need some sort of incentive structure for why they should go through that process, historically it's only occurred due to getting one's behind whooped on the battlefield and being forced into it by an occupying power, or by a massive financial collapse at home making supporting imperial ambitions simply impossible to maintain against the subjugated native people uprising for self autonomy. And alcohol, something would have to be done about alcohol 😂
@@thelvadam2884Germany apologised. A lot. Russia, predictably, has said things between “we didn’t do anything, why are you complaining” or “yeah, we did, and we liked it, and we can do it again”, but notably not apologised.
@@mduckernz Yeltsin did officially apologise for Katyn' and admitted it was a Soviet crime, and somehow Putin even somewhat continued doing this until approximately mid 2000s.
This is again such a good episode. Thank you so much for keeping up the quality and humor for this time! Our videos are always a highlight of my week :D
The ingenuity of Ukrainian manufacturing is amazing. They can be a useful manufacturing partner for the West, especially competitive with Asian manufacturers, some of those with potentially hostile governments.
Love the sass mate. And informative as always. Drone-ception is rather terrifying but glad to see Kiwiland was spared a hypothetical existential crisis this week. Merry Christmas from southern Nz.
One thing that perun forgot to mention is that Ukrainian farmers where harvesting a ton of T-72's back in 2022. Main battle tanks growing in fields is such a strange phenomena, i don't think the natural sciences have a proper answer to this riddle yet.
28:00 Also worth mentioning that if the drone itself weighs 1000lbs fully loaded, the explosives and fuel can be loaded in later and therefore the entire thing can be carried by HAND or wheelbarrow if need be.
Now that I think about it, I bet the Taiwanese must have some personnel on site in Ukraine basically acting as students in order to learn about the design, deployment, and tactics of naval drones... it seems like a cost effective tool able to pose a plausible threat of attrition against a threat that they might reasonably care about
A slight note on fighters like the F-35: one of the advantages of the F-35 in a dofight is is its pretty insane off-axis firing capability. While an F-35 may not be able to turn and burn as hard as say, an F-16 or Eurofighter Typhoon, it can get a weapons grade lock on a target at much larger angles in its effective weapons range, thanks to its radar and sensor suite. Generally, the F-35 doesn't need to be in these situations, but it's hardly defenseless. This of course does come at the cost of the lesser availability of interior weapons bay space for other mission-critical munitions rather than say, an AIM-9X to fend off a Su-34.
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G'day all, and welcome to the penultimate video of 2024.
How do you fight a naval war without much of a navy? If the war in Ukraine is anything to go by, the answer is missiles, intelligence & angry robo-boats. And now, we're seeing those drones equipped with the ability to shoot back against defenders, mounting increasingly complex weapons - or even being used as drone carrier to launch yet more drones. And based on the trajectory in 2024, I suspect 2025 will be full of developments that make the Ukrainian USV force even more dangerous.
I will note one audio flub - when referring to a chart on screen of Houthi attacks against ships in the Red Sea, I mix up the terms "attacks" and "hits" - the mistake is pretty clear in context and the slide is correct but thought I'd flag it.
Perun (or anyone else reading this) I am sick as shit. I just took like two tablets of co-Amoxiclav, is it possible to reduce illness duration to just today and tomorrow? Because I have important things tomorrow that I can't miss.
Man, I dunno what it is, but literally everyone on TH-cam is now plugging Ground News. FFS, we all know already. The real question I have is: can Ground News make me a Scottiosh Lord or what? If they throw in a VPN at an 87% discount, I'll sign.
One fantastic consequence of the rapid evolution of drone warfare is that all militaries are suddenly a lot less likely to start wars. Every year this war continues might well delay an attack on Taiwan, South Korea or Kashmir. And delays might allow for avoidance.
I'm kind of surprised we haven't seen a drone that operates a bit like early submarines, mainly a surface vessel, but capable of diving for a short while to approach a ship. It would render machine guns pretty much ineffective against it if it were just a meter or two under the surface. I guess you'd need the final approach to be autonomous for that to work, and it would make the drone either heavier or slower.
@@spudd86it could have the starlink on a floating buoy that it could deploy at say 1000 or 500 meters connected by a fibre optic cable. That would allow the operator to retain control even if it’s underwater right up to impact. Similar to those used on torpedoes.
Thinking that if we could donate a few torpedoes with just a launch tube for a surface drone that may even be better. They are fast and pack a big punch.
"The Moskva succeeded in destroying two missiles"🤣🤣🤣 Classic Perun humor "Not the most sustainable fashion" Indeed
it took me a few seconds to realize he wasn't talking of a successful bombing campaign conducted prior to the sinking 🤣
According to Russian authorities everything used again their assets gets shot down but some damage is caused by “debris”. Ukraine certainly makes some highly effective “debris”.
why is zlensky dressing up as a woman?
@@MaximumEfficiency you've never seen a woman in your life, boris the bot. Even your mom left you to the wolves, but they have respect for their intestines and didnt touch the spoiled meat
@@MaximumEfficiency Because he is a comedian. He was doing a comedy bit. Are you so insecure in your sexuality that you can not even conceive of a man wearing a skirt? Perhaps you have a nagging doubt in the back of your head wondering what it is like. - Regardless, this is wildly off topic. Go away.
Heyo, just today HUR released first footage of a sea drone (Magura V5) downing a Mi-8 helicopter with an R-73 missile.
Don't suppose anyone will notice the comment, however, I had to return here after I saw the footage.
As did I! A country without a navy has found a unique way to control the black sea. 🇦🇺💙💛✌ 🇺🇦 Slava Ukraini!
That's seriously impressive. Fitting MANPADS to these small USVs is one thing but mounting an R-73 and getting it to work is a whole new level of lethality.
"No, the robots didn't get guns... the got rocket launchers."
Some have gotten heavy machine guns, some rocket launchers some suicide navy drones, and some is used as control ship and other intelligence equipment
Russians: do not let the Ukrainians mount guns on their drone boats.
The Monkey's Paw: _WISH GRANTED._ (unfurls)
@@kimmogensen4888 Yes, we watched the episode...
What about neptunes? Modern form of torpedo boats
When he said "get the distance to zero" i immediately knew that rockets where getting strapped on. 15-20 minutes later i am not disappointed.
"...before the heat death of the Universe." I do appreciate your understanding of Poland's standing in such matters.
if only they would be like germany, now poland and germany are friends again.... yet people like putin refuse to do such things
once again i must rain a little on this parade. Poland kept trading with Russia way into the war. sadly money makes memory shorter and principals blurrier for most ppl. now add generation changing what kind of memory and principals would be left?
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@@mrpicky1868EU and US still does…
For example, EU is importing products refined from Russian crude oil in third countries. So cars in Europe are using petrol made from Russian oil.
German cars and machinery are flowing into Russia via Kazachstan. Germans pretend there is nothing they can do about 5000% increase in demand for high end Mercedes and BMW in Kazachstan.
Russians paraded German made road construction machines during the repair of Crimean bridge. Have a look at the pictures...
NASA astronaut Tracy Dyson was returned to earth on September 23, 2024, in a Russian Soyuz MS-25 spacecraft that landed in Kazakhstan.
American Haas Automation is still indirectly supplying precision CNC machines to Russia.
Haas stopped direct shipments to Russia but play dumb about sudden increase of demand from distributors in countries bordering with and friendly to Russia, probably following German example.
@@rok1475
LOL, cope much?
Orcssian's get way less revenue from sanctions, while keeping thier oil in the market.
Just as we indended.
"You have to admit that in terms of *optics* that wasn't your finest hour"
Nice.
Yeah, that was a clever double meaning.
I would say shooting down your own plane would be a bit worse, but that hadn't happened yet when Perun was recording this.
The US Navy fired that CO later for something unrelated.
Yeah… even we were facepalming when we saw that.
If he was picking off targets with a backwards scope, get that man an award! It really seems like it was a prank and a picture quickly got snapped. I'm pretty sure someone would have set up and handed him that rifle.
"Temu tier tool of naval power projection" is my favorite Perun quote of the video so far but there have been a large number of great number of them today.
I don’t think the drones are garbage
25:35 Magura in Slavic mythology is the daughter of Perun...
I'm glad I'm not the only one that looked that up! What a missed opportunity haha.
Russia is the same Naval Power it was during the Russo-Japanese War. The Kamchatka Curse is alive and well.
Do you see torpedo boats?
@@samarvora7185 They are everywhere!
@@samarvora7185 This time they're real
Some say Rozhestvensky's ghost can be spotted in Saint Petersburg hurling binoculars from atop the tallest buildings he can find.
@@Calvin_CoolageHe lives in Admiralty building. It aint highest but he has wicked throw. And he throws only best Zeiss. He was properly competent officer with glass.
"Controlled by operators who presumably mained GLA" is something I never expected to hear in your videos but really should have.
I've got splinters in my fingers...
Right! That joke was for us boomers. :)
Probably also Germans since they don't have the T word but instead a UGV (Unmanned Ground Vehicle) with bombs shaped like a barrel.
Last thing Russian sailors see before taking a hit is "can I have some shoes", written on the side of the kamikaze drone.
Used to love wasting hour after hour playing C&C especially as the GLA as it felt like taking on far more powerful enemies using just VW Vans and Toyota Pick Ups
Moskava successfully intercepted both missiles! Unfortunately, the falling debris happened to cause some fires.
damn debris , sooo dangerous !!!
DEBRIS - Drones, Explosives, Bombs, Rockets, Incendiaries, or Shrapnel. Looks like a LOT of Russian equipment is getting hit by falling DEBRIS.
Its truly a shame that that happened. Imagine what those missiles were going through. Just flying along and then BOOM this huge ship gets in the way!
@@gow1044 * Solemnly removes hat*
LOL guys stop responding to AI comment bot
Thank you Perun for another year of great videos, I am always looking forward to them. Have a great Christmas. All you Perun fans out there, I wish you a great Christmas, too (or at least a great time, if you do not celebrate it). Also light a candle and, if you can, donate something to all the people in Ukraine, who have to endure another wartime Christmas. I hope you all stay save.
I can totally see ukraine become an exporter of these systems. Yes they might be quite easy to produce, but the ukrainians are currently the only ones with actual experience in operating unmanned naval vessels, and that should go a long way in making them world leaders.
Especially Taiwan is probably looking at the concept. A few hundred next gen naval kamikaze/attack drones. Would make PLA landings an even bigger nightmare than they innevitably would be.
Singapore would be a likely customer. I assume Iran will be producing them soon.
Defense industries with better AI are already building these.
@@badluck5647 that's really just a matter of software and better chips. You could make 90% of a drone in Ukraine and install American guidance almost as easily as plugging in a USB
@neolithictransitrevolution427 Except the Ukrainians are importing the engines from Asia. The rest of the parts aren't anything a garage mechanic couldn't build. It's great for Ukraine for Ukraine, but it wouldn't be competitive in an export market.
Would once exported this be a force factor that equalizes military defense world wide in a better fashion then the nuclear threat in the Cold War.
"Russia is still building warships." Yeah, my uncle Bill is still drinking, too. He can fight anybody, and he is well known for fighting anybody while drinking. People at the cutting edge of therapy and recovery call that "Continuing to dig a hole."
Russians managed to have submarine sailor defecting while his sub was at bottom of Baltic Sea under Kriegsmarine depth charge attack. He just blowed all ballast tanks when rest of crew was sleeping, and in surface climbed to conning tower and jumped. Germans fished him out of sea.
At that stage navy should cancel their orders and put the money into drones.
This assumption is flawed your uncle bill isnt guaranteed to lose everytime he fights
@@u2beuser714 I didn't make an assumption.
Gotta love how the Russian are so gung ho at the beginning but so humbled nowaday in the Black Sea.
Third Rome needs to make more sacrifices to the sea god
@johnd2058 Mayhaps Poseidon will grant them mercy if they sacrifice the Kuznetsov to him?
@@badjuju2721 Do you think Poseidon would want that heap of junk? Do gods have standards?
@badjuju2721 interesting, what naval assets are left in Ukraine that are worth attacking. Do Ukraine have any naval bases left?
Ukraine is finished as ZelSSki is sending kids to the frontline.
Perun, when are we going to get some coverage analyzing the wider implications to the rest of the world of the new, extremely effective Ukrainian weapon: falling debris? Given the substantial damage Russia is experiencing on the receiving end of this system, I'm shocked we don't hear more about its design and development process.
Shout-out to Anders Puck Nelsen who predicted that the grain deal falling off would be beneficial for Ukraine
3 oil tankers with the "Front fell off" without Ukraine touching them
"You've lost another tanker Vladimir?"
It's poor policy to allow old river boats to sail in a rough ocean.
Nature hates them apparently
the front fell off, the crane crushed the deck, the admiral lost a fist fight with a drone, there seems to be a few ways russia ruins its own navy
Quick reminder that 16 soviets admirals once died because they overloaded a plane with random shit
Its like a real life slapstick dark comedy
@@EpicRenegade777 "a man who have served in army, doesn't laugh in circus" - guess what nation coined that proverb
'Kamikaze USV are up there with T-Rex arms for reach' killed me 😂
I guess Tom Clancy was right about the Russian navy.
If you put some of this stuff in a book, readers would complain about it being unrealistic, no one can be that incompetent.
Clancy's red storm rising is an interesting read in context of the war against Ukraine
In fairness, the man fully appreciated that Russia was a pushover after the fall of the USSR, and that the *_Soviet_* forces were reasonably capable since they had an entirely different approach to war, _and_ nations that had an actual military tradition as part of the Warsaw Pact.
What books would you recommend to read
One ping, Vasily... 😏
24:50 CnC Generals mentioned!!! We're back commanderbros
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“Time will tell. Sooner or later, time will tell.” - Premier Romanov
Given the Russian Navy’s motto of “and then it got worse”… can we really be surprised by this situation?
Isn't that just Russia's motto?
@@ALLMINDmercenarysupportsystem Yeah, it basically sums up Russian history. But their military, especially the navy, seems geared towards it as a goal instead of it just happening.
@@ALLMINDmercenarysupportsystemmost Slavic countries honestly
@@cowishere8222 Thought so
I envy historians that will be able to use reporting like yours as a tertiary source
Or highschool kids using audio-to-text to copy his script for their history presentation :V
"Rather than trying to maintain this very aggressive rate of artificial reef construction..." - Perun is on fire today, glad I wasn't drinking anything because I probably would have spit it out.
Merry Christmas everybody!
happy holidays to you ass well.
now I don't have to wish again for new year.
#efficiency.
Merry Christmas PowerPoint gang
Merry Christmas!
Merry Christmas :)
Ukraine is finished as ZelSSki is sending kids to the frontline.
On the drone carrier: Yo Dawg I heard you like drones, so I added drones to your drones so you can use drones when you use your drones!
The use of Neptunes on land targets is one reasons Ukraine needs to end the moratorium on arms exports. Being able to sell proven anti-ship missles and buy munitions fit to purpose makes much more sense than using a system that's "close-enough" just because they have extras.
It also is just a matter that they're already buying at the limit of what a lot of countries are willing to expend you know. Plus I'd be curious. They may have a reason. Don't always assume apathy. Especially when a country is fighting for its life from Cain, constantly trying to kill its brothers.
They probably get more Good Enough hits on land targets with neptune than they would selling them and using the cash to buying purpose built land attack missiles. Especially since their own labor costs are significantly cheaper
The land target Neptune model is different from the sea version. I assume that Ukraine doesn't want to sell either version to other countries is to maintain secrecy.
Wikipedia says Ukraine named the land version the "Long Neptune". Wikipedia doesn't talk about the differences other than the guidance package.
I don't know of any reason the land version wouldn't be appropriate for use on land.
If Ukraine started selling weapons abroad it'd hand a huge argument to critics in the countries shipping weapons to them...'we are giving Ukraine weapons for free and meanwhile they are selling weapons, so clearly we don't need to give them any more'
@@xeroprotagonist Not to mention they would probably like to have those missiles available during the current invasion.
"Angry robotic speed boats"
Love the way you describe things.
Amusingly the “future of drones” section appears to mostly be stuff that Ukraine has already done in recent weeks. Drone swarms, stabilized guns, drone carriers - we’ve seen all that already. The underwater drones is the only one we haven’t seen.
To be fair, if all goes well, the Russians won't see the submarine drones either...
"The underwater drones is the only one we haven’t seen" probably because their underwater😏
To be fair, one could argue we've had underwater drones since at least WWI. We just call them "torpedoes".
One has to admire the Russian’s for their persistence, in 300 years they invested and reinvested in building a navy. And the best returns have been valiant escapes or defeats….. 😢 Even this has not been achieved in this war. A third of their Black Sea fleet is sunk, the rest is in hiding and almost as scared as Putin himself. Meanwhile Ukraine 🇺🇦 is trading through the Black Sea at pre war levels. This goes beyond even the regular Russian naval incompetence. We must also ascribe it to an incredible Ukrainian ingenuity and courage
They have the problem licked. No successful attacks in over half a year.
Yeah, you'd figure that they'd realize that a (surface) navy just isn't going to work for them after that debacle a little over a hundred years ago. And apparently you'd be wrong.
Towards the Ottoman Empire their navy has been fairly successfull. Which is why Turkey today is so smug about Russia's Black Sea fleet getting decimated. It is no surprise they are building Ukraine's ships today.
@Nickname-ef9tv Fair point, but, that says more about the Ottomans navy than Russia's...
Funny how history while it does repeat it certainly does rhyme
After the Cole bombing, our cruiser was refitted with a 25mm chain gun (like the ones on Bradley IFVs) fired from essentially a much larger machine gun mount.
So basically another small boat that bombed it before hand has little chance of sinking it, good to know
@@jackthorton10 Well, depending on how fast those drones are, if the CIWS can't take it out, a 25mm cannon round or dozen can do it. But, if the US Navy has a natural enemy, it's aerial or subsurface opponents. That's why our job as a cruiser was to protect the carrier in our battlegroup.
@@crawdadandtheboilers Ah, I see
I'm not that well read into Naval stuff but are there any plans or current modifications that feature systems like the Skyranger 30/35 series with air burst rounds? I know the ciwis is a thing, but I was thinking rapid fire 30mm proximity fuses would be handy with a very high fire rate
@@Jonathan-yu9ui Not really needed. The chain gun was fired essentially from the shoulder (not really, but that's how it looks when you get behind the mount). It was for close-in, surface defense in port without the need to fire up a radar or other combat tracking system. Active radar is kind of frowned upon when in a foreign port. At sea, the weapon, while still useful, would be overly redundant, what with all the other guns and missiles, and a carrier air wing. Heck, our 5 inch guns have rounds with prox. fuses for anti-missile defense.
25:30 "In Slavic mythology, the name Magura is interpreted as the daughter of Perun, the god of thunder and lightning along with war and warriors." - Wikipedia. An interesting connection there!
a sea drone carrying fpv drones sounds pretty badass to be honest. It blows my mind how quickly drone warfare is evolving.
Before the heat death of the universe made me spit my coffee out. Lol good one there.
Yeah, I don’t think they have forgotten much in that neck of the woods
As always, Intelligent, honest and trustworthy content. Thank you for your time and dedication to accurate and reporting without the drama so often pushed by others.
Wishing you a very Happy Christmas and prosperous new year Perun.
Onwards and upwards, Slava Ukraine!
And a merry Christmas to you as well good sir or madam
20:21 Good on Perun for actually checking harvest/yield data than just looking at military/combat factors.
'played GLA in command and conquer'.... wow, talk about nostalgia. Who born in the 70s has not played c&c
I know we take it for granted these days, but it's worth reminding everyone that targeting civilian food supplies is yet another war crime that we should be holding them accountable for...
Honestly when you said rotary wing response to sea drones I was expecting quadcopters, not entire helicopters. If the mere existence of sea drones requires a permanent helicopter overwatch you've already won.
I feel like the need for overwatch was generally already the case in most theaters to monitor submarines, however. It's only the black seas Russian dominance that made this unnecessary.
I think there is an important thing to point out about the presence of the gun-weilding USVs. One of the counters that Russian helicopters had against the missile equipped drones was by flying low and fast, the USV had to maneuver a LOT to try to get a firing solution.
The presence of the heavy machine guns push the helicopters up higher in the sky. That extra height means the missile boats have a larger cone and a longer time to get a target lock. The machine guns will keep the helicopters high and honest, and into the teeth of the heat seeker head. The two will compliment each other nicely.
28:25 - Perun, I am disappointed you'd make such a hyperbolic claim. Surely the US has enough ordnance to flatten every structure with a roof in, say, Vatican City. Please be more careful and nuanced in the future, thanks.
That would be quite problematic, we'd be puzzling about the colour of the smoke and what it meant for hours.
@@jimb9063 The Vatican's key weakness: They opponent gets free BDA by observing the smoke colour
"Is there a new pope, or has the Church dictated we have to eat chicken for the next month?"
"Neither!"
"OH HECK NO! SCHISM!!!"
Man, if that article about a Navy commander with a backwards scope wasn't clearly from NPR, I would have assumed that was clearly Onion material. Outstanding.
edit- Before I get any surprise gifts from my friends in the Navy - This is clearly not meant to say it is representative of our Navy. Every profession everywhere has people you wish the public would never see.
even the public has them
@@Dommifax As an American I would like to apologize for Florida Man.
We have had a few in the Army. It’s hilarious in person, but terribly embarrassing when it makes it onto the internet.
@@jamesharding3459 Like maintainers who insist left is for tightening on a standard thread bolt.... I know I had one in my group at USAALS on JBEL, and I thought Army Aviation was the only part of the Army to actually have stamdards.
@@GoldPicard as a European civvy I can hardly think of anything using reverse thread except for stuff connected to (right turning) motorised parts and gas bottles - are they more common in the US/Military?
Weekly powerpoint time!! 🎉🎉
don't you have life?
@@MaximumEfficiency not on Sunday mornings
10:00 I am somewhat disappointed that you did not make the pun “that ship has sailed”
Merry Christmas Perun. Thanks for informing and entertaining us at the same time during the last couple of years. Wishing you and yours an enjoyable break and all the best for 2025 🙂
It’s been an incredible year for Perun! Hope to see you next year!
Great video, solid assessments and good big picture observations.
Merry Christmas and God bless Perun!
"Poland rebuilding russian ships.... heat death of the universe"
I almost spit out my coffee when I heard that!
"HOld my beer"
The last couple years I have learned so much from your videos and they have been so entertaining too!
Terra Invicta!
Your defense of Jupiter with 2-4 battleships against never ending hordes of xenos is still rewatched often good sir!
I hope more people discover your content and not only find great entertainment but are also inspired to learn more about this world and its truths instead of just taking in the ignorance and bias of most media sources.
Please have a wonderful holiday and I hope your sunday school on military analysis and geopolitics continues well past 2025!
Merry Christmas, mate! And thanks for another year of outstanding quality. I have no clue how you can keep up the standard.
More outstanding work and presentation…good use of multimedia and humor to keep us awake. Cheers!
Question. Is there any school of thought on drone forces having an impact on willingness of troops to risk themselves in an attack. Such as if drones become so prolific troops would begin asking, "why am I risking my life when a drone could do it" and the impact of that on morale?
That's a really good question, intuitively one would think that a soldier would feel a lot less warm and fuzzy inside about popping their head over a ditch when the possibility of sending a few FPVs over first exists. I'm guessing that given their availability, the amount of soldiers that find themselves under heavy fire on the front lines without any drone support would be minimal. It seems like most squads in combat in Ukraine have a dedicated drone warfare operator these days. The extent to which this impacts the combat power of a soldier or formation should and probably already is being researched by military psychologists or whoever does that stuff.
I assume the biggest hit to moral is feeling like your contenders don't value your lives.
There are so many ways that can be true besides sending meat instead of drones.
And adding one more evidence of that when you already know it to be true may have some effect, but not a much as you'd think
There has been a recent all ground drone assault by the Ukrainian forces. 😅 The Russian forces apparently gave up the contested ground. 😂 Then there was the Ukrainian auto guns that held up RUF assaults on some of their positions ages ago.
Love your work. Keep it up!!!
Honestly, it's nigh impossible to *not* upvote every single one of Perun's videos. There may be some you're more or less interested in topic-wise, but generally there doesn't seem to be a single "bad" one. All are meticulously researched, with facts playing the main role, even if they're uncomfortable or outright "bad" for the majority of viewers, i.e. his audience (compare e.g. Artur Rehi, who's been a nice source of semi-confirmed "up-to-date information" but strays more and more into fictional territory or outright falsehoods in something I can only interpret as a push to better please his main audience).
Wooooo learning time
Perun and Anders Puck Nielsen on the same day? Christmas came early!
I haven't seen the videos yet, but find it funny that Anders covers economics on the same day that Perun covers naval warfare.
@@madsbahrt8222 The duality of man, was my thought.
I said it at the beginning of Russia's invasion, it's not that drones are difficult technology. It's more how terrifying the thin veneer of safety actually is we have based our entire society on.
how thin depends on where you are
You have one of the most impressive channels. Thanks for all your efforts.
Just as I start my r&r Perun posts.Never have I ever been this early 😅👌cheers mate!
Yes, the naval war hasn't received as much of my attention as it should have, so thank you for producing this presentation that focusses on it. Excellent work, Mr Perun. And a very merry Christmas to you, too!
Thanks, Perun. A number of Russian surface vessels have joined the Russian Silent Service.
"reef restoration" contribution
@patrickjordan2233 That works too.
Excellent, as usual, Perun. Merry Christmas to you and yours.
Command and Conquer Generals - this channel's very relatable
One of your better videos. Liked the humor as well 👍🏼
The pride I felt when at min. 35:00 you mentioned Germany having an actually functioning helicopter and it even destroyed an enemy drone?! That's amazing! I didn't know we were capable of such things 😂🤣
The Bundeswehr is more capable than you think until we run out of ammunition.
Slava Ukraini! 💥👊💥
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@@RGNSS-hn8ew "I support ukraine" *continues to wave the flag of a genocidal country whos president is wanted by the icc*
"In terms of optics, that wasn't your finest hour"
You sneaky so-and-so
They sunk an helicopter just day.
For the drones, low observability is also a feature on many modern cruise missile systems. It’s serving the same purpose on the drones as on the missiles, reducing the reaction time of enemies to give the warhead a better chance to reach its target.
Incredible preso Perun. Somehow I can see this one breaking all viewing records. I am just so impressed and grateful for your efforts.
Perun mentioned Russian submarines. There was just one and that swallowed a couple of Storm Shadows. Their duplex w@rheads will have significantly reorganised the internal decorations.
They at least patched its hull to being able to float & then it intercepted a couple more StormShadows. 😮😊
I didn't expect a Command and Conquer Generals mention. Nostalgia hit.
Navy: We're a transport ship. We don't have any guns. We can't do anything to that target.
Marines: Open the cargo bay.
Navy: What ? Why ?
Marines: You heard me.
MERRY XMAS!!!! thanks perun. you have been such a gift for us this years. spoiling us with great content we love. never in my life I would imagine I would love to see some shitty slides with a guy narrating. it became my favourite channel.
For that matter some of those naval drones were probably made in Gdansk too. I think that because I saw them being transported into Ukraine from Poland.
Ekhm - these kinds of naval drones can be bought in any ship suppliers shop ;)
The scope is mounted backwards to help with spotting extremely close targets
12:30 "...or before the heat death of the universe" 😂 that probably sums up the Polish sentiment towards Russia quite well 😂
tbf after 1945, nobody expected that germany and poland will ever be friends again, yet here we are in 2024/25
@@thelvadam2884True, would just take a change in leadership, a systematic culture change through state education promoting modern Western values and dissuading the historical subjugation and imperialism of the Russian elite over the serfs and hinterland ethnic minorities, and the turn over of two or three generations to allow the already ingrained cultural norms to dissipate, so could be done in 50-70 years.
But you would need some sort of incentive structure for why they should go through that process, historically it's only occurred due to getting one's behind whooped on the battlefield and being forced into it by an occupying power, or by a massive financial collapse at home making supporting imperial ambitions simply impossible to maintain against the subjugated native people uprising for self autonomy.
And alcohol, something would have to be done about alcohol 😂
@@thelvadam2884Germany apologised. A lot.
Russia, predictably, has said things between “we didn’t do anything, why are you complaining” or “yeah, we did, and we liked it, and we can do it again”, but notably not apologised.
@@mduckernz Yeltsin did officially apologise for Katyn' and admitted it was a Soviet crime, and somehow Putin even somewhat continued doing this until approximately mid 2000s.
All the best for you! Thank you a lot fo all the effort you put into this channel! We love it!
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This is again such a good episode. Thank you so much for keeping up the quality and humor for this time! Our videos are always a highlight of my week :D
Good morning from Canberra 🇦🇺
Merry Christmas Perun!
The ingenuity of Ukrainian manufacturing is amazing. They can be a useful manufacturing partner for the West, especially competitive with Asian manufacturers, some of those with potentially hostile governments.
Love the sass mate. And informative as always. Drone-ception is rather terrifying but glad to see Kiwiland was spared a hypothetical existential crisis this week. Merry Christmas from southern Nz.
Stay golden ya Kiwi’s, from the USA merry Christmas
One thing that perun forgot to mention is that Ukrainian farmers where harvesting a ton of T-72's back in 2022. Main battle tanks growing in fields is such a strange phenomena, i don't think the natural sciences have a proper answer to this riddle yet.
Oh, I assure you it is a *very* well understood phenomenon. It's been dubbed the "usual Russian incompetence".
What do you recommend to get that T-72 soil bloom?
Share a land border with Russia.
Merry Christmas Perun! Love your vids and hopefully the new year sees peace in Ukraine favor.
You meant "seas peace", didn't you? And a merry Saturnalia to you :)
Notification squad, reporting for duty!
Yay Perun time
Oh Peruin time
The weekly Perun video I look forward to, almost like it's Christmas.
Merry Christmas to you & yours, Perun!
Thank you for your gift of "Public Awareness" lo these last (Nominally) 3 years...
Russia really wanted to avoid a “tankers wars” situation.
Don’t touch the boats.
This video was prophetic. Either that or Perun has secret connections with the UA we're not aware of.
he actually discounted the use or AA missiles on drones.
28:00 Also worth mentioning that if the drone itself weighs 1000lbs fully loaded, the explosives and fuel can be loaded in later and therefore the entire thing can be carried by HAND or wheelbarrow if need be.
Ukraine said hold my beer. ❤
An excellent update.
It is a little while since i listened to Perun so need to do a bit of catching up.
Thank you the analysis.
Happy Holidays to you and those dear to you, Perun.
So many jokes in the first 15 minutes. Your ability to combine humour with great analysis is phenomenal mate.
Here again after Ukraine shot down a Mi-8 Helicopter with a Magura-V USV near Sevastopol.
Name dropping the GLA haha Perun really is the GOAT
Now that I think about it, I bet the Taiwanese must have some personnel on site in Ukraine basically acting as students in order to learn about the design, deployment, and tactics of naval drones... it seems like a cost effective tool able to pose a plausible threat of attrition against a threat that they might reasonably care about
A slight note on fighters like the F-35: one of the advantages of the F-35 in a dofight is is its pretty insane off-axis firing capability. While an F-35 may not be able to turn and burn as hard as say, an F-16 or Eurofighter Typhoon, it can get a weapons grade lock on a target at much larger angles in its effective weapons range, thanks to its radar and sensor suite. Generally, the F-35 doesn't need to be in these situations, but it's hardly defenseless. This of course does come at the cost of the lesser availability of interior weapons bay space for other mission-critical munitions rather than say, an AIM-9X to fend off a Su-34.