I mean... in all fairness the game only has 2 normal attack buttons, and 4 if you're using offensive AoW and powerstancing. So hey, that's 50% of your attack buttons utilized!
Forgot to mention, offhand katana with iron cleaver axe main hand is pretty hilarious. Once people get caught in vortex and start to panic roll away, you can chase down with the charge r2 with iron cleaver and continue to vortex them
Finding setups like these was literally my specialty back in ds3 lol, I love the way that elden ring let us use weapon skills with an offhand weapon instead of just blocking with it for whatever reason. One offhand weapon I think is super underrated is the offhand straight sword, it's decently fast and it covers strafes/jumps well if you know how to freeaim it. I find it pairs well with a mainhand spear because the spear has good running, jumping, and rolling attacks while the straight sword prevents them from freely aggressing and strafing around my attacks. I use this setup on a faith/int build with a 50/34 split respectively which gives good damage on a flame art clayman harpoon. I hope the dlc gives us more unique r1 movesets so we can have some new and potentially flashy options
Finding setups like these was literally your specialty back in ds3 and you still don't know why in ds3 you have only block option on the offhand weapon instead of wa? I think you picked wrong specialty. I'm very lazy to describe the data so to make story short the answer is that er's block canceling not even twice as good as in ds3 + you have block running option
The mashing out of hitstun drives me insane. It makes me feel like they literally put bots in the game. Worst part is, I never get used to it. So many older games have taught me that you never swing out of hitstun.
it's really fascinating seeing how different 1v1 arena fights are to invasions. Truly feel like 2 different games. The skills required are mostly different.
Always an interesting perspective. I'm more of a casual player who likes to be informed of what makes a good setup, so I'm not so gung-ho about deleting all poise and hyper armor from the game (some AoW could definitely have their HA delayed a few frames tho). Still, I appreciate these videos, since they usually contain good advice on fun things to try and what to look out for!
Theres not much sense in wasting our breath about "fromsoft should change this or do that", cuz frankly they dont care. But we can definitely take what theyve given us and adapt to it. Thats mostly what my goal was with this video. I hope it was helpful for ya!
@@Rust_BKT It is helpful! It's also nice that you have a bit more good humor than some other skilled players. Some get really jaded and mean, because yeah when you do nothing but play flawed PvP 24/7 you kinda become a dick. You have the balance that Scott Jund used to have! I have been impressed recently though - Fromsoft did make a lot of changes that the community asked for! I don't know if they care, but they have definitely made some good efforts! The game is in a much better place now than it was at launch, and I might argue a lot more fun than I ever had with DS3!
Life is rough for me in the arena, as a Twinblade and Scythe main with either offhand magic or offhand daggers to punish the reaction monsters. But when certain ashes of war like Blood Blade or Ice Spear hit, dealing fuckton of damage on even the most high defense people, it's one of the best feelings in the world.
This is awesome, lmfao! Guilty masher here appreciating your amazing content! I definitely use offhand katana and offhand great curved sword a ton but you make the offhand fist look amazing, I gotta try that one for sure. Thank you for demonstrating!
Cleanrot sword(heavy or cold/Quicksteap or BHS or flaming strike or Whatever you want) or halberd(Heavy or cold/Flaming strike or piecing fang or sword dance) off hand warped axe(cold/spinning slash)
reminds me of good ol' DS3 times, when I created my fume knight cosplay and then realized, that combining the HUGE fume ultra great sword with a straight sword is incredibly powerful and very hard for enemies to deal with in PvP. Hyper armor from the FUGS + range + insane DMG would let me win hit trades, the counter to ultras is to get close and weave attacks after a missed swing, now comes the straight sword in play. Still takes some skill to read enemies and switch up your aggression and move habits, so enemies can't predict you, though. :)
I'm so happy someone finally made a video showcasing how good offhand fist weapons can be I have easily beaten so many Mashers just for this one combo and hopefully people will finally realize mashing R1 is not the wave
I think better than most other pvp-content focused soulstubers, you understand how to explain precisely what you're doing and why without talking down to your audience.
That last arcane setup is awesome. I'm stealing it! I've been looking to make arcane work in PvP for me. Your vids are very helpful for braindeads like me...
Something only slightly unrelated is technically setup parries from hitstun have never been more practical. I run like 40 poise because heavy armor is ugly as shit, but swag comes with the downside of meta players freely monkey mashing out of most things i do. HOWEVER my low poise also serves as tantalizing bait, because even scimitar and rapier parries are very easy to land when set up with rolling or hitstun, assuming lag isnt present. I would definitely try out 2h cs and 2h ts with parry and see how it feels, even if you dont parry, both setups have crazy good backswings and can reliable rollcatch someone who opts to roll rather than attack. And in this sense, intentionally lower poise is quite nice because even if your opponent knows that you have parry, sometimes their inner monke cant resist r1 trading anyway.
Ye, parrying the monke mash is pretty consistent, since putting them in hitstun allows you to setup the parry without needing to factor latency. Just use the same timing every time. But the aggressive option of the offhand weapon just covers a few extra bases with less of a reward than a riposte, but it prevents the jump sttack out of hitstun,l2s, and atleast forces a roll. Purrying is def a good option if you have a very unga bunga opponent thho
Rapier left hand and great club (big bonk or something similar)in your right hand. Rapier has enough speed and poise to counter any start of an attack, this is going to be its role. Big Bonk is there to punish and deal poise damage. One handed club has more of a horizontal swing, which is very good for roll catch. Barbaric roar as ash of war, can be used to interrupt opponents attacks, and follow up with buffed weapon. At low level, 20 to 30ish, rapier+club is just toxic and leaves no openings. You can literally stand in one place and counter/punish any attack. Alternatively you can go light roll with no poise but I advise wearable Ng the lightest armour possible.
Great hammer with off hand whip is actually amazing. Great hammer locks down close combat and when they try to roll out of range the off hand whip attack comes out slightly delayed so it can roll catch perfectly
@Rust_BKT my bad. Forgot the hyper armor Fr tho, super awesome video though. How are offhand shamshirs? That's what I tend to use with my Omen cleaver
I don't duel too much but in invasions I like to have raptor Talons in the offhand to softswap to endure and escape blenders. That's led me to use them as an offhand tool with halberds, the nagakiba, and the urumi, and it's very effective against players without a lot of hyper armor (and since both it and the kiba have innate bleed you can win trades against hyper armor weapons as well as long a you roll out before taking more than one hit and then pressure again immediately: works great against OLPs who dont take much damage outside of a bleed proc
I did a main hand Great Stars and offhand Mogh spear set up on my bleed Str build. It could get real repressive against the more mindless mashers, but only slightly tricky against actual good players. You still have to get good with these set ups. It’s really fun tho just cuz it looks so badass.
So, what I'm getting from this is that a mainhand Fist (with Endure) with an offhand CGS would be a good setup? If you connect a hit with the CGS, then you can true combo into the Fist, or alternatively if you land a hit with the Fist, then you can freely swing with the CGS (unless they have a parry weapon out) and force rolls. You can also two-hand the CGS to activate your own Hyper Armor, or Endure on some paired Fists to trade with just about anything. I think a good candidate for the Fists would be the Katar, since it _does_ have increased range over other fists while still being infusable, does piercing damage, and has a 3 hit true combo out of the paired running heavy into an unpaired standing heavy. And of course, the best CGS for most builds would be the Dismounter like you said in your CGS video.
I dont think off cgs true combos in to mainhand fist but i could be wrong? I havent checked. But put endure on anything and it will be good, just because endure is stupid. You wouldnt keep prio on an r1 from fist into cgs, it would trade, so probably wouldnt be as useful as mainhand cgs with off fist
Your video was very informative and I've loved it. But my opinion on it involved moments where the quality/resolution of the recorded gameplay went down so often that no matter how high I increased TH-cam's frame rates and resolution, it still was there. Can you possibly get a better capture card or try to do it as little as possible. If you can't then I understand.
I almost included offzwei for this actually, had some great clips for it too, but i ended up writing it out, for the sake of brevity. Its a great option tho
I uhhhh.. I just ungabunga warcry pickaxe r2 trade. Turns out its very off-meta to do 4-5 R2 swings as bait then catch them with the 6th for 80-100% of their health bar.
Ive found wild strikes has good hyper armour and can trade into anyone spamming r1 apart from collosals, put it on an occult flamberge and have traded into rivers spam and come out on top consistently just wailing on them aslong as i dont get bled out 😅
cool video, I would like to share a good build, moon veil and straight sword in offhend, alternating attacks of the sword and katana allows you to maintain priority, the problem with the long offhand has been solved, you can blend the ashes of war, also the light version of the ashes of war has a true combo in the ss
I run Braggart's Roar on the Greataxe with the Roar Medallion and a Highland Axe on my hip. If they go for an attack out of hitstun, they end up taking 1k+ damage from the trade against a non-charged R2.
comboing people by using an offhand caestus with a sword in your main hand is HILARIOUS to me. it must feel exactly like fighting a high level centurion in for honor
It's always a shame fromsoft games have such trash latency issues in pvp or it might actually be fun, instead of playing against the latency and the player.
Hey I gotta ask cuz some people in the higher levels of colluseum are really awful to me over it, is playing dex/faith whips with cipher pata and occasional mixups as well as frenzy spells BM or something? I have it so I can cast Flame of Frenzy pretty damn fast and usually bait it when they roll towards me. Sometimes I use Inescapable Frenzy to catch stuff like fists or dual daggers cuz its an easy read and I just love landing that incantation. Oh and I use the magma whip because if they are poise broke the first bit of the ash of war will hit them and make them stumble unless they have the right setup to ignore it (tbh i dont know what ash I should be using on my urumi, sometimes I just use Ground Slam because its funny) I'll fight meta halberd players who use rot grease and get teabagged a lot when I can't do anything once they rot me. One guy I hit with Inescapable Frenzy (It barely did half of his health, I just like landing it even if its not optimal) because he was using the star fist things and only doing running heavy attacks the whole fight changed his name to call me bad and equipped a bunch of stuff and an ash of war on his shield that made a big healing bubble that I couldn't out-damage him in. Am I BM and that's why he did that, and that's why the rot halberd guys teabag me?
How does something fast like catch flame compare to other offhand options? Feels like catch flame + a thrusting weapon like a halberd or spear would be pretty good.
I ran into someone while I was invading that was using a blood colossal sword with offhand nagi. The nagi combos from the colossal light and they tried to roll catch with giant hunt but it was too slow to punish a panic roll. Seeing that it nearly bled me from just the light into the offhand nagi I decided to try it for myself and found that the light attack of the colossal into the nagi and then crouch poking the panic roll consistently bled. Wasn't sure what ashes of war to use, but found this little combo disgusting as is.
Would the Hand Axe be a good sidearm? It's fast like the Iron Ball and has more range. I imagine if it was effective it would be in this video, but if it were, what weapon would be good as its main weapon?
When i do arena and people are mashing out of hit stun i thank the gods. Because for me its so much worse if they do the double roll back, if i even flinch. I dont want to chase them all game.
I’m just procrastinating and potting off that death poker bird . He’s waiting for me in the swaps. I killed 2 all ready but the Death bird in the snow hills by the walking mausoleum that throws magic snow balls gave me hell.
So assuming they never fix offhand great spear, there will never be a reason to use collosal greatsword 1 handed. That said i really like zweihander 1 handed with offhand dagger/fist. It adds mixups to a game that is mostly just putting yourself in a certain position and using the 1 option that works over and over.
Love the vid it really helped me alot❤..just wanted to ask how to counter assassin gambit/hidden form users since I can't lock on or damage them..thanks
@Rust_BKT I have a difficulty free aiming with a controller,I thought everyone had this problem..even if I did manage to free aim,I can't damage them..idk if it's a glitch or something but I literally just can't harm them
Hey! Just saw your video and i wanted to know if there is any solution for full poise builds while using whips? Its really hard to control space against a player whos constantly in ur face and whips are not very great when u can't really get them off you... Even with bloodhound step they just mash out of everything. Wanted to know if u had any tips
Thanks for making this! I find the meta really boring in most games, especially souls games. I love making unusual builds but it's always so disappointing to get shit on by the PSGS user in full bullgoat lmao
personally, i really enjoy psgs, but i sympathize with the frustration that we all feel about many of the weapon setups out there. in any case, i think its great when we can identify opportunities within in a meta and adapt to it. an easy way is just to match the meta and run psss, but its so cool to find unique mixups, roll catches, and true combos that you otherwise would never know about without a bit of exploration.
@@Rust_BKT I agree with you. I was using psgs as an example of something that I see a lot and get tired of, nothing against that build in particular. Different ppl play the game for different reasons. For me, one of the most exciting things is all the combinations of weapons and spells. That's why I enjoy exploring off-meta builds -- but there's no denying that the meta builds work, so I'm always facing that frustration when I encounter players who are more playing to win than to experiment, which ofc is most players. I like these offhand options because they seems like they could offer more success against meta builds while still allowing me to stay true to my own playstyle.
Smashing out of hitstun... it's probably one of my least favourite parts about elden rong pvp, it creates you a bad habit that can be dangerous depending the situation... The ammount of times i fought hosts with low hp left and instead of rolling away and try to heal they decide to keep attacking, even if my weapon has priority. But i'm start to accepting it as part of the game, and i doubt it will ever change.
I will test it out, but what about scythes? Can they profit from being or having an off-hand weapon to accompany them? I really wanna make them work, but the only stuff I see around at a glance is the typical bloodflame helicopter bullshit
I'm guilty of enduring in my opponent's face with fist weapons, and it's just too effective. I never start invasions with fist weapons, but usually end them with them.
What about 1h greatsword + fist? I've used golden order greatsword + pata for a long time and dosn't seems bad, but dunno if can work against mashers. Advices for playstyle/strings?
1h greatsword is honestly just bad cuz of 1.10, it used to work alot better, but 2nd swing only doing 102 poise damage gets u slaughtered. Offfist would help that a little but you ur just better off using something else. If anything, make use of handitech to help your recoveries. Whenever you need to back off, fearing a mash, swap to 2h as you hold sprint to get away. By 2hing, youll have instant full sprint speed so you can get out of range where youd otherwise be unable to avoid getting hit by most things. Once youre clear, go for the r1 to outspxe the mash out if hitsun. Mostly i like offdagger with gs, but its not “good”, it just “can” be good, if your opponent plays as bad as i do
No, i have jump on L3, crouch is triangle, lockon R3,. I think thats all the goofiness i do. But i wouldnt change your binds unless youre ready to play like shit for a few weeks until you can reset your muscle memory
im not gonna sugar coat it
r1 l1
r1 l1 r1 l1 r1 l1 r1 l1 r1 l1 r1 l1 r1 l1 r1 l1
no one believed me when i offfist when the patch came out...
I mean... in all fairness the game only has 2 normal attack buttons, and 4 if you're using offensive AoW and powerstancing.
So hey, that's 50% of your attack buttons utilized!
@@monsieurdorgat6864 (r1 l1 intensifies)
@@Rust_BKT 😁 L2
LMAO that intro completely captures my frustration with hyper armor, spot on 😂
🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🤬🤬👿👿🤬🤬🤬🤬👿👿👿🤬🤬
💯 though honestly the monkey mashing culture has made me really good at parries now 😂
@@-Gravity. LOL
Forgot to mention, offhand katana with iron cleaver axe main hand is pretty hilarious. Once people get caught in vortex and start to panic roll away, you can chase down with the charge r2 with iron cleaver and continue to vortex them
Finding setups like these was literally my specialty back in ds3 lol, I love the way that elden ring let us use weapon skills with an offhand weapon instead of just blocking with it for whatever reason.
One offhand weapon I think is super underrated is the offhand straight sword, it's decently fast and it covers strafes/jumps well if you know how to freeaim it. I find it pairs well with a mainhand spear because the spear has good running, jumping, and rolling attacks while the straight sword prevents them from freely aggressing and strafing around my attacks. I use this setup on a faith/int build with a 50/34 split respectively which gives good damage on a flame art clayman harpoon.
I hope the dlc gives us more unique r1 movesets so we can have some new and potentially flashy options
The dlc got canceled bro
@@stuckstepsis6976i dunno where you got this from but it's terribly misinformed lol
I still prefer ds2 off-hand weapons, they had full movesets, and not just neutral light attacks.
The same could be say about powerstancing.
Mate ds3 with spear and off SS is THE setup man 😁😎
Finding setups like these was literally your specialty back in ds3 and you still don't know why in ds3 you have only block option on the offhand weapon instead of wa? I think you picked wrong specialty. I'm very lazy to describe the data so to make story short the answer is that er's block canceling not even twice as good as in ds3 + you have block running option
Offhand finger is unironically pretty fire 🔥💯
Kid named finger
Waltuh
try Finger, but hole
lmao the offhand finger
Not the getting stabbed and fingered combo
you might be the best ER pvp content creator period, im glad ive found this channel
Great video. I feel not enough people actually point out how bad the state of hyperarmor is rn and just pvp in general.
Cuz it was worse. Yeah it's bad but it was a much worse situation.
The mashing out of hitstun drives me insane. It makes me feel like they literally put bots in the game.
Worst part is, I never get used to it. So many older games have taught me that you never swing out of hitstun.
it's really fascinating seeing how different 1v1 arena fights are to invasions. Truly feel like 2 different games. The skills required are mostly different.
Completely agreed
Thank you so much for explaining and THEN showing gameplay 👏🤝
Ah the DS2 offhand vortexes
Truely Elden Ring is DS2: Two
8:55 was smooth af
Had no idea about these poise values involving offhand. Thanks man
Excellent video as always, will definitely try out off hand fists more
Always an interesting perspective. I'm more of a casual player who likes to be informed of what makes a good setup, so I'm not so gung-ho about deleting all poise and hyper armor from the game (some AoW could definitely have their HA delayed a few frames tho). Still, I appreciate these videos, since they usually contain good advice on fun things to try and what to look out for!
Theres not much sense in wasting our breath about "fromsoft should change this or do that", cuz frankly they dont care. But we can definitely take what theyve given us and adapt to it. Thats mostly what my goal was with this video. I hope it was helpful for ya!
@@Rust_BKT It is helpful! It's also nice that you have a bit more good humor than some other skilled players. Some get really jaded and mean, because yeah when you do nothing but play flawed PvP 24/7 you kinda become a dick. You have the balance that Scott Jund used to have!
I have been impressed recently though - Fromsoft did make a lot of changes that the community asked for! I don't know if they care, but they have definitely made some good efforts! The game is in a much better place now than it was at launch, and I might argue a lot more fun than I ever had with DS3!
Life is rough for me in the arena, as a Twinblade and Scythe main with either offhand magic or offhand daggers to punish the reaction monsters.
But when certain ashes of war like Blood Blade or Ice Spear hit, dealing fuckton of damage on even the most high defense people, it's one of the best feelings in the world.
❄️Bring back pre nerf ice spear❄️
"You fly? Me too!" Switching to blade of calling to fight other air moves is fun and anime -esque.
Also, food to see my "king Arthur" build has a good option with greatspeares xD (lance/spinny holy light)
Maybe one of the best videos
This is awesome, lmfao! Guilty masher here appreciating your amazing content! I definitely use offhand katana and offhand great curved sword a ton but you make the offhand fist look amazing, I gotta try that one for sure. Thank you for demonstrating!
Really good showcase great physical evidence
This is such a good video. I love that you mix in fgc terms as well.
Would love to see more content with dagger + great spear/lance !!
Cleanrot sword(heavy or cold/Quicksteap or BHS or flaming strike or Whatever you want) or halberd(Heavy or cold/Flaming strike or piecing fang or sword dance) off hand warped axe(cold/spinning slash)
I love this video
reminds me of good ol' DS3 times, when I created my fume knight cosplay and then realized, that combining the HUGE fume ultra great sword with a straight sword is incredibly powerful and very hard for enemies to deal with in PvP. Hyper armor from the FUGS + range + insane DMG would let me win hit trades, the counter to ultras is to get close and weave attacks after a missed swing, now comes the straight sword in play. Still takes some skill to read enemies and switch up your aggression and move habits, so enemies can't predict you, though. :)
I'm so happy someone finally made a video showcasing how good offhand fist weapons can be I have easily beaten so many Mashers just for this one combo and hopefully people will finally realize mashing R1 is not the wave
I think better than most other pvp-content focused soulstubers, you understand how to explain precisely what you're doing and why without talking down to your audience.
Best TH-camr ever, saved my crappy day simply by uploading
That last arcane setup is awesome. I'm stealing it! I've been looking to make arcane work in PvP for me. Your vids are very helpful for braindeads like me...
I’ve been really enjoying main hand pike with offhand pike lately
omg that sounds so quirky, ima have to try it tonight
I found a similar setup to that but instead of pikes I use naginatas with bleed, super obscure and surprised more people don’t use it.
High Quality Content, highly appreciated. Thanks!
Great video Rust nice one 😎
Great video!
Another cool variation is kiba offcgs, where r1 l1 leads up to an unsheathe rollcatch assuming decent lat (haha arena)
really, really well done video. thank you
Something only slightly unrelated is technically setup parries from hitstun have never been more practical. I run like 40 poise because heavy armor is ugly as shit, but swag comes with the downside of meta players freely monkey mashing out of most things i do. HOWEVER my low poise also serves as tantalizing bait, because even scimitar and rapier parries are very easy to land when set up with rolling or hitstun, assuming lag isnt present. I would definitely try out 2h cs and 2h ts with parry and see how it feels, even if you dont parry, both setups have crazy good backswings and can reliable rollcatch someone who opts to roll rather than attack. And in this sense, intentionally lower poise is quite nice because even if your opponent knows that you have parry, sometimes their inner monke cant resist r1 trading anyway.
Ye, parrying the monke mash is pretty consistent, since putting them in hitstun allows you to setup the parry without needing to factor latency. Just use the same timing every time. But the aggressive option of the offhand weapon just covers a few extra bases with less of a reward than a riposte, but it prevents the jump sttack out of hitstun,l2s, and atleast forces a roll. Purrying is def a good option if you have a very unga bunga opponent thho
great vid rust i never even thought about using offhand fist im definitely going to give it a try
The intro is what I'm yelling in my head every time someone mashes lol. Great video Rust!
Rapier left hand and great club (big bonk or something similar)in your right hand. Rapier has enough speed and poise to counter any start of an attack, this is going to be its role. Big Bonk is there to punish and deal poise damage. One handed club has more of a horizontal swing, which is very good for roll catch. Barbaric roar as ash of war, can be used to interrupt opponents attacks, and follow up with buffed weapon. At low level, 20 to 30ish, rapier+club is just toxic and leaves no openings. You can literally stand in one place and counter/punish any attack. Alternatively you can go light roll with no poise but I advise wearable Ng the lightest armour possible.
Offhand axe is pretty strong, with a main hand halbred. Always poise breaks even if your opponent is running 109 poise.
🤔 me like, me try, me thanks yee.
Great video. Have trouble with some of the current METAs
Great hammer with off hand whip is actually amazing. Great hammer locks down close combat and when they try to roll out of range the off hand whip attack comes out slightly delayed so it can roll catch perfectly
Awesome video
Kumo/Dism. And estoc or Zwei and Rapier will forever be my favs
Next level production
The video i was looking for. Will an off-hand handaxe/icerind hatchet work as well?
Yea, works same as the kiba but with worse range
If I couldn’t mash out of hitstun I wouldn’t play this game
I agree
hey thats me with the short spear at 0:47 🎉 it was really fun to fight you!!!!! gg!
oh hey! yea we always have good fights, i remember you were using something else that day too, i dont remember what though. ggs!
Thank you,that’s good to hear. Maybe I was using the zweihander, i’m not sure.
I love your video Rust.
But what im hearing
Is that i should mash out of hit stun
Hmm, should watch the video again, maybe missed some notes
@Rust_BKT my bad. Forgot the hyper armor
Fr tho, super awesome video though. How are offhand shamshirs? That's what I tend to use with my Omen cleaver
@@Ekkaisara offshir is pretty great, can go for thr second swing and still roll out safely without trading. Cant do that with almost anything else.
This video has priority over other ER videos. It's very OP.
Great Video now i got some new idear's
Your matches were art
I don't duel too much but in invasions I like to have raptor Talons in the offhand to softswap to endure and escape blenders. That's led me to use them as an offhand tool with halberds, the nagakiba, and the urumi, and it's very effective against players without a lot of hyper armor (and since both it and the kiba have innate bleed you can win trades against hyper armor weapons as well as long a you roll out before taking more than one hit and then pressure again immediately: works great against OLPs who dont take much damage outside of a bleed proc
I did a main hand Great Stars and offhand Mogh spear set up on my bleed Str build.
It could get real repressive against the more mindless mashers, but only slightly tricky against actual good players.
You still have to get good with these set ups. It’s really fun tho just cuz it looks so badass.
yea the slow mainhand makes it struggle. it would have been much better pre-1.10, but you just cant outpace small,fast weapons :(
@@Rust_BKTdoes the whip synchronize with flail too?
So, what I'm getting from this is that a mainhand Fist (with Endure) with an offhand CGS would be a good setup? If you connect a hit with the CGS, then you can true combo into the Fist, or alternatively if you land a hit with the Fist, then you can freely swing with the CGS (unless they have a parry weapon out) and force rolls. You can also two-hand the CGS to activate your own Hyper Armor, or Endure on some paired Fists to trade with just about anything.
I think a good candidate for the Fists would be the Katar, since it _does_ have increased range over other fists while still being infusable, does piercing damage, and has a 3 hit true combo out of the paired running heavy into an unpaired standing heavy. And of course, the best CGS for most builds would be the Dismounter like you said in your CGS video.
I dont think off cgs true combos in to mainhand fist but i could be wrong? I havent checked. But put endure on anything and it will be good, just because endure is stupid. You wouldnt keep prio on an r1 from fist into cgs, it would trade, so probably wouldnt be as useful as mainhand cgs with off fist
@@Rust_BKT Ahh, gotcha. I thought I was being clever, but I guess I'll just stick to keeping the CGS in the mainhand and the Fist in the offhand then.
One think that always worked for me on duels is the ol’ Cragblade Offhand Estoc, its nice
im already crying, screaming, and malding just thinking about it
Every pvp content creator cried in favor of ds3 pvp and now you got that
Your video was very informative and I've loved it. But my opinion on it involved moments where the quality/resolution of the recorded gameplay went down so often that no matter how high I increased TH-cam's frame rates and resolution, it still was there. Can you possibly get a better capture card or try to do it as little as possible. If you can't then I understand.
i play on a laptop, really nothing i can do about it unless i put in for a PC
I'm using Zwei with Zamor CGS offhand, it's pretty fun to use :)
I almost included offzwei for this actually, had some great clips for it too, but i ended up writing it out, for the sake of brevity. Its a great option tho
@@Rust_BKT what weapon you pair with offhand Zwei that you enjoyed?
I uhhhh.. I just ungabunga warcry pickaxe r2 trade. Turns out its very off-meta to do 4-5 R2 swings as bait then catch them with the 6th for 80-100% of their health bar.
Ive found wild strikes has good hyper armour and can trade into anyone spamming r1 apart from collosals, put it on an occult flamberge and have traded into rivers spam and come out on top consistently just wailing on them aslong as i dont get bled out 😅
Also hard counterers stormcaller, waterfowl dance and bloodblade dance if you can predict and trade into them
I really like off hand handaxe on my int build, It works similarly to off hand ss, but deals noticeably more damage
cool video, I would like to share a good build, moon veil and straight sword in offhend, alternating attacks of the sword and katana allows you to maintain priority, the problem with the long offhand has been solved, you can blend the ashes of war, also the light version of the ashes of war has a true combo in the ss
moonveil aow is a true combo into r1 as well, dont need the offsword for that
what a nice and useful video, thank you! I wonder, can catchflame be alternative to fist off hand?
Yea, catchflame true combos from alot of mainhand stuff too, if youre at max cast speed, its ridiculously strong
@@Rust_BKT thanks again🙂
I run Braggart's Roar on the Greataxe with the Roar Medallion and a Highland Axe on my hip. If they go for an attack out of hitstun, they end up taking 1k+ damage from the trade against a non-charged R2.
comboing people by using an offhand caestus with a sword in your main hand is HILARIOUS to me. it must feel exactly like fighting a high level centurion in for honor
I’ve never played pvp so all of this is new to me
I don’t even have a solid pve build
We all start somewhere :)
Try some stuff out and see what you like to use and go from there
I remember back on ds2 people would complain about offhands if paired with mid tier. How times change lmao for the better
It's always a shame fromsoft games have such trash latency issues in pvp or it might actually be fun, instead of playing against the latency and the player.
Do they use centralized servers or P2P connection?
@@thepainphantomP2P, always have.
@@crimson-foxtwitch2581 That's sucks. GTA Online used to be like that but they (Rockstar) soon fixed it by operating owned servers.
Hey I gotta ask cuz some people in the higher levels of colluseum are really awful to me over it, is playing dex/faith whips with cipher pata and occasional mixups as well as frenzy spells BM or something? I have it so I can cast Flame of Frenzy pretty damn fast and usually bait it when they roll towards me. Sometimes I use Inescapable Frenzy to catch stuff like fists or dual daggers cuz its an easy read and I just love landing that incantation. Oh and I use the magma whip because if they are poise broke the first bit of the ash of war will hit them and make them stumble unless they have the right setup to ignore it (tbh i dont know what ash I should be using on my urumi, sometimes I just use Ground Slam because its funny)
I'll fight meta halberd players who use rot grease and get teabagged a lot when I can't do anything once they rot me. One guy I hit with Inescapable Frenzy (It barely did half of his health, I just like landing it even if its not optimal) because he was using the star fist things and only doing running heavy attacks the whole fight changed his name to call me bad and equipped a bunch of stuff and an ash of war on his shield that made a big healing bubble that I couldn't out-damage him in.
Am I BM and that's why he did that, and that's why the rot halberd guys teabag me?
Who cares what people think. They cant bag you if you dont die 🧠
How does something fast like catch flame compare to other offhand options? Feels like catch flame + a thrusting weapon like a halberd or spear would be pretty good.
@@KyokujiFGC catch flame is extremely good and combos from alot of weapons at max cast speed
Great video
Thank you, Rust !
Finally I found a counter against monke mashing NG+7 Malenia
always remember, chainsaw is an intended mechanic 🧠
steel? is that you?@@Rust_BKT
Offhand Hand Axe is a pretty oppressive offhand option too
I ran into someone while I was invading that was using a blood colossal sword with offhand nagi. The nagi combos from the colossal light and they tried to roll catch with giant hunt but it was too slow to punish a panic roll. Seeing that it nearly bled me from just the light into the offhand nagi I decided to try it for myself and found that the light attack of the colossal into the nagi and then crouch poking the panic roll consistently bled. Wasn't sure what ashes of war to use, but found this little combo disgusting as is.
Main colossal combos with alot of things, such as CGS for example
@Rust_BKT very cool, I'll have to try that out too. Thanks
So this is what you and MAG was cooking.
Would the Hand Axe be a good sidearm? It's fast like the Iron Ball and has more range. I imagine if it was effective it would be in this video, but if it were, what weapon would be good as its main weapon?
When i do arena and people are mashing out of hit stun i thank the gods. Because for me its so much worse if they do the double roll back, if i even flinch. I dont want to chase them all game.
I feel that
I’m just procrastinating and potting off that death poker bird . He’s waiting for me in the swaps. I killed 2 all ready but the Death bird in the snow hills by the walking mausoleum that throws magic snow balls gave me hell.
I understand your pain, and i recommend chainsaw
So assuming they never fix offhand great spear, there will never be a reason to use collosal greatsword 1 handed. That said i really like zweihander 1 handed with offhand dagger/fist. It adds mixups to a game that is mostly just putting yourself in a certain position and using the 1 option that works over and over.
Love the vid it really helped me alot❤..just wanted to ask how to counter assassin gambit/hidden form users since I can't lock on or damage them..thanks
Tbh i just kill them as usual. If you notice in my gameplay, i play unlocked alot
@Rust_BKT I'm on console so that's not an option for me..but thanks anyway
@@Javelin.The_Idle i dont know wht being on console has to do with free aiming your attacks thats different than pc.. i play on a controller…
@Rust_BKT I have a difficulty free aiming with a controller,I thought everyone had this problem..even if I did manage to free aim,I can't damage them..idk if it's a glitch or something but I literally just can't harm them
@@Javelin.The_Idle you just have to time your attacks better. There is no glitch that causes invulnerability in the colosseum
My strategy for someone with endure is run away when I see the animation and then try to hit them right at the end of the 3 second mark.
I literally just dueled against you while watching this and using a halberd off fist setup! Still lost, but I got a couple good hits in!
Oh i remember that fight, you had offkatar iirc? Ggs dude
@@Rust_BKTindeed haha i loved the offkatar btw, was my first session using it
Do you know how power stance factors into this? Lets say SS power stance R1 into L1. Does it work the same way?
Hey! Just saw your video and i wanted to know if there is any solution for full poise builds while using whips? Its really hard to control space against a player whos constantly in ur face and whips are not very great when u can't really get them off you... Even with bloodhound step they just mash out of everything. Wanted to know if u had any tips
Lightning ram. Not even kidding
@@Rust_BKT 😭 Thanks for the help. I've actually been using double urumi with redmanes and it gives me lots of coverage but I'll try the ram as well.
Mainhand Erdsteel w/ offLance is honestly cracked.
Thanks for making this! I find the meta really boring in most games, especially souls games. I love making unusual builds but it's always so disappointing to get shit on by the PSGS user in full bullgoat lmao
personally, i really enjoy psgs, but i sympathize with the frustration that we all feel about many of the weapon setups out there. in any case, i think its great when we can identify opportunities within in a meta and adapt to it. an easy way is just to match the meta and run psss, but its so cool to find unique mixups, roll catches, and true combos that you otherwise would never know about without a bit of exploration.
@@Rust_BKT I agree with you. I was using psgs as an example of something that I see a lot and get tired of, nothing against that build in particular. Different ppl play the game for different reasons. For me, one of the most exciting things is all the combinations of weapons and spells. That's why I enjoy exploring off-meta builds -- but there's no denying that the meta builds work, so I'm always facing that frustration when I encounter players who are more playing to win than to experiment, which ofc is most players.
I like these offhand options because they seems like they could offer more success against meta builds while still allowing me to stay true to my own playstyle.
main kiba off fist r1 > l1, looking like DS2 pain train... beautiful.
Does this work with dagger or claw in offhand?
PS. Spiked Caestus has the same range and poise dmg, but lighter weight.
Tip for players with less Vigor.
I like using main hand frost Halberd with ice spear and offhand fire lance with braggarts roar
Smashing out of hitstun... it's probably one of my least favourite parts about elden rong pvp, it creates you a bad habit that can be dangerous depending the situation...
The ammount of times i fought hosts with low hp left and instead of rolling away and try to heal they decide to keep attacking, even if my weapon has priority.
But i'm start to accepting it as part of the game, and i doubt it will ever change.
I will test it out, but what about scythes? Can they profit from being or having an off-hand weapon to accompany them? I really wanna make them work, but the only stuff I see around at a glance is the typical bloodflame helicopter bullshit
They work really well as mainhand option, giving true combos with a wife variety of off hand weapons
finally, an intro I can mash potatoes to
Yo I used to offhand butchering Knife for roll catches , I spent a while getting curbstomped before I got the hang of it
So could one efficiently run a samurai type build in PvP?
I'm guilty of enduring in my opponent's face with fist weapons, and it's just too effective. I never start invasions with fist weapons, but usually end them with them.
What about 1h greatsword + fist? I've used golden order greatsword + pata for a long time and dosn't seems bad, but dunno if can work against mashers. Advices for playstyle/strings?
1h greatsword is honestly just bad cuz of 1.10, it used to work alot better, but 2nd swing only doing 102 poise damage gets u slaughtered. Offfist would help that a little but you ur just better off using something else. If anything, make use of handitech to help your recoveries. Whenever you need to back off, fearing a mash, swap to 2h as you hold sprint to get away. By 2hing, youll have instant full sprint speed so you can get out of range where youd otherwise be unable to avoid getting hit by most things. Once youre clear, go for the r1 to outspxe the mash out if hitsun. Mostly i like offdagger with gs, but its not “good”, it just “can” be good, if your opponent plays as bad as i do
Ive been getting so much mileage out of dismounter/misericorde, but i didnt understand why it was so good until now lol
do u use custom keybinds on your controller or do you keep it default with the awkward crouch on stick etc ?
No, i have jump on L3, crouch is triangle, lockon R3,. I think thats all the goofiness i do. But i wouldnt change your binds unless youre ready to play like shit for a few weeks until you can reset your muscle memory