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It's actually a attack on SpaceX. SpaceX doesn't dump industrial waste water so they don't need it. Someone tried this in the past too. The difference now is they found a scientist willing to make a "mistake" in their calculations by multiplying the figure twice so it went from "normal environmental amounts" to "holy crap they are dumping mercury into the water!" It didn't even make sense since they don't use it.
@@demondangr The fuel is methane and oxygen. Both are naturally available in our atmosphere. When burned, it becomes carbon dioxide and water. So no, hes not forgetting anything.
If mechazilla really manages to catch the booster, than it just shows in what a crazy time we live, imagine catching 2 Saturn V booster stages in the 60s-70s. thats a thing we never thought of it happening
It's the next step needed! A fully reusable rocket of any size would be a revolution. One of the size of Starship... is groundbreaking! Thanks for watching!
NASA abandoned vertical landing in the 90s as 'impractical and possible unfeasible'. In a couple decades, NASA will likely only be doing robotic research and getting rides on SpaceX rockets, and that's not a bad thing.
@@King_Trigg NASA does not get bonuses. They are all civil servants. Vertical landing was not practical in the 1990s. It required another twenty years or so of technological development, particularly in computer hardware and software.
Regarding the water discharge issue: Rumor has is that at one point some legalistic inspector from OSHA demanded that ventilation fans be installed in a room holding a large vacuum chamber because "vacuum is an asphyxiate" and that meant you needed fans to make sure none of it flowed out and ended up collecting in pockets when the chamber was opened. Never underestimate a bureaucrat's ability to apply rules more diligently than they apply their brain.
@@odysseusrex5908 Oh my sweet summer child. (Like really, on the obnoxious rule following scale that's like a 5 out of 10, it's just mindlessly connecting rules that are individually 100% reasonable into a whole that doesn't make sense.)
@@benjaminshropshire2900 How about the recent FAA ruling that the leftover potable water discharged from the pipes falls under the domain of "industrial waste discharge", and required that specific permit each time. 4 Fines were levied for discharge without relevant permits for IFT 1-4. But, the same discharges would have been allowed under those permits anyway.
Something you didn't make clear in the Blue Origin / Escapade story is that the delays are *not* related to the payload being unready...they're because NASA have reached a go/no-go decision point, and concluded that Blue Origin would not be ready to launch within the required window. Also, the alternative date next year is *not* at the end of the Mars transfer window... it's far outside it. It's not clear exactly what they have in mind for a 2025 launch, because even if New Glenn had the power to out into a Mars injection trajectory that far outside of window (and it doesn't), the Escapade satellites don't have the delta-v to put themselves into Mars orbit from such a high energy transfer. It seems likely they're planning some kind of indirect transfer instead, perhaps a gravity assist at Venus.
I read this in an article about the Starliner space capsules post un-docking and reentry issues: The capsule didn't fare much better following undocking procedures on Friday. One of its 12 control jets on the crew module - a different set unrelated to the other malfunctioning service module thrusters - failed to ignite. And a glitch caused the spacecraft's navigation system to go down briefly during reentry as well.
I suspect Boeing didn't attend the press conference because they didn't want to answer hard questions from the press about Boeing's problems. I don't blame them.
I think Felix was asking if Boeing's non-participation could be related to the future of Starliner. I suspect that NASA will do a "full" study of this flight which everyone will use as an excuse to not answer questions about the project's future until the study is released. Like a rolling snowball down hill the study will collect all sorts of political consequences. This could be Boeing's last Star liner flight. We should know the answer by the end of the year when the study is released.
@@SupremeOverlord10 Sure, that's how I read it too. The answer is probably "no". I suppose Boeing could cut their losses by dropping Starliner but that would be an even bigger ding to their reputation. As I said, they didn't participate because they didn't want to have to answer hard questions from the press. For one thing, they probably aren't ready to answer the big question until they have many discussions with NASA.
Hey, Felix! I just wanted to say how excited I am about SpaceX and everything they're doing with Starship and the future Mars missions. I’m really grateful for all the hard work you put into gathering all this information and making these videos for us to enjoy. It’s incredible to see the progress, and your coverage makes it even more thrilling to follow along. Thanks so much for keeping us updated and making it so engaging!
If they set the fire, yes, the fire department should get a permit for fighting fire. SpaceX is setting the fire. They know when and where they are using the water. They should tell the relevant agencies about it.
@@jeffreypierson2064 They aren't being persecuted for starting fires without permits though - they're being persecuted for spraying potable waters, which is exactly what firefighters use to extinguish fires (including wildfires). In fact they often use lake water and pond water and even pool water (all of which often contain chemicals biological contaminants at concentrations that would make them toxic or dangerous to drink) to attack fires when they need to. Also, stormdrain water is absolutely chock full of pollutants and trash (from literally everything) and that stuff flows down into the same areas that SpaceX is getting grief for spilling fresh water into. The whole thing is absolutely ludicrous. The real truth is that government holds itself to a far lower standard than it requires at gunpoint of everyone else.
I get a feeling that one container ship going through the Chesapeake River pollutes that waterway way more than one of these rocket launch effects that beach head.
It's a matter of what you like, what you want. Some people want cheaply available minerals and fuels, some people want an environment that encourages Earth's biosphere to thrive. I will admit, though, that a federal beaurocracy is naturally better at cultivating cheap minerals than a clean environment. In 50 years the point will be moot... the balance will have tipped permanently in favor of dirty industry and the exquisite biosphere will have disappeared. Go humanity! Get off Earth now!
@@DD2DL Just the cost! Industries generally subscribe to the socialist theory AFTER they have extracted their needs. Profit for them and the byproduct of pollution for the environment and the rest of us.
@@ianPedlar You must have watched a different video series than the one I watched. Could you please link the one where it was only cylinders and that's all?
I think the company has changed names but in the state of Washington there was a company called Storm Water Management. My brother had worked for them. They set up concrete vaults in the ground which contained four very large water filters. When it rained the vaults would fill up with water and as the vault drained the water would be filtered and sent back clean into the waterways. They changed out these filters very frequently. That would be a great application for the Starship launches.
Thing is though, the water shouldn't even really be polluted if it came out clean. These rockets use liquid methane and oxygen for fuel and oxidizer, the only emissions these engines have are carbon dioxide and water vapor. You _might_ could argue the CO2 might slightly lower the pH of the water through the creation of weak carbonic acid, but that's really about it. I don't think a filter would even take care of something like that, but I'm not certain.
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The crabs are ok with their little mouth parts, it's the rabbits that are the problem. Where are they gonna go? Each blastoff is deafening to the rabbits. Obviously some kind of bunny earplug program is needed to be rushed in!
I understand that there might not be a ton of new material to cover in between episodes, but I still appreciate the time and effort the WAI team puts in to the videos. Dont listen to the negativity, nobody is forcing them to watch. Keep it up!
Felix and WAI crew, fantastic channel and amazing episode, as always. This starliner mission might not have been crewed, but it definitely was crude... Thoughts, comments, questions, concerns?
Yeah, it's insane that Yusaku Muezawa give to Elon 1 billion dollars in 2018 for flying around moon with another 10 people until the end of 2023 , but Musk didn't delivered anything not even in 2024, let's hope that some of the lunar HLS promises are delivered on time, instead of grand vision of the human Mars landing in two years with a ship that needs multiple orbital refueling but cannot even maneuver safety in space and don't have a single RCS thrusters, because apparently venting the tanks is a good idea (until that stupid idea broke a valve, like Musk itself recognized), like you said it's insane!
@@nuorigin don't even try to fact chek Musk fanboy(and girl) , they would delete your messages, because it's insulting to call them what they are(but they can give you false and insulting names and get a free jail card after that ), or simply denying reality like flat earthers, my message in the same stream was deleted ten seconds after posting for false reasons probably . And they live in a parallel universe in witch Starship development only started in 2018 (because then was re-named in that way ) , so if they change the name this year is a new project , amazingly fast according with them again! Let's not forget how fast Musk delivered Dear Moon. Yeah the fanboy claims that is Muezawa guilt, because get out of money in 2024 , he payed in 2018 for 2023, so who lied?
The amount of red tape involved to get Flight 5 off the pad is absolutely ridiculous!!! 😡 Really hope things get solved quickly... can 't keep running into delays like this..
I think that if I was going to attempt a catch it would be better to catch at the “old” launch tower bc even if all parameters are good to go there could be a last second failure and destruction of the tower. It would be better to lose a tower that you have learned a lot on and might need improvements anyway. The new tower would be ready for the next launch even if tower A is lost. You learn to drive with an old car not your dad’s new Tesla lol. When you get rid of a car from your family inventory you usually get rid of or trade in the old one. Hopefully Tower A survives a catch, but it makes the best sense.
Someone must have corrected you on your english. This is the first time I've heard you say Earth's instead of Earthes. I watch every one of your shows and always smile when you say earthes.😊
Felix: Why aren't there more catch points around the booster. I may be wrong, but I have only seen 2, placed across from each other (across the diameter). It would seem to increase the chance of a catch if there were more, and if the catch arms had a slight arc. Thanks for considering this! Mark from Berthoud CO
Speaking of Escapades....due to the extended duration of astronauts trapped like rats on the space station we will definitely become aware of the first successful human pregnancy in space.
How is a little concrete dust in the ocean "Pollution?" I would consider hundreds of thousands of pounds of oil from oil rigs into the ocean pollution. And also 3:28 on the the third bullet point, wth is a "Startship" XD
Just my two cents but as a biologist there's a lot of welding dust and splatter and even shredded material from the rockets possibly being left on the ground and then being potentially washed into the wetland. They should hire me as a consultant 😀😀😀
Limestone holds carbon. Limestone is a main ingredient in concrete. It's not so bad when it's cured, but as dust it will dissolve into the water. That makes carbonic acid. Acid kills coral and weakens shells. A little bit of chemistry knowledge goes a long way.
The last time I was here there was ONLY ONE TOWER?? Now there is two! I apologize for my absents and have "subbed" accordingly. Thank you rocket people
Man. Seeing people and vehicles next to the chopsticks shows the scale and how impressive that is. A structure that huge that can move that quickly is amazing. Also SpaceX being able to assemble and test fire all at the same site is what allows SpaceX being able to accomplish things faster and change things more quickly than Boeing who has to assemble everything in one place, then ship the rockets to a launch pad at a different location, and then make assessments. On the press briefing Boeing not showing up looks worse. They don't want to admit to any failures, which is worse than showing up and admitting to their shortcomings. No one respects a person who denies their failures and hides from questions. I would have respected them more if Boeing had showed up and answered questions.
I'm very impressed with your' enthusiasm - you have the right mix of technology expertise and speech cadence not to mention a great voice. You are the right person doing this job. I really enjoy listening to you. You go well above any standard and I'm sure Elon is aware of you and is also impressed with you, I don't think you work for him, but, you're the type of person that would fit very well in his team(s). Keep up, keeping up. Arthur 😊
Question: Why doesn't Space X test JUST the booster catch? Seems to me that they could launch a booster alone for a simple hop. To say, 1000 feet, then bring it down for the catch. It would be much easier to get a launch license for a hop than a full orbital flight AND they could then have their first flight with a used booster.
@@ASDasdSDsadASD-nc7lf It wouldn’t, but it WOULD let then collect data on catching super heavy, and if it’s only going up a few hundred feet it won’t need nearly full thrust, so the water deluge can be used at part strong or even not at all. The low altitude and minimal water should make the launch license relatively easy to obtain. Space X gets more data it can apply to a full up flight 6
Thanks for the answers. It seems to me that the chopsticks could just about lift a section of the tower. Would it not be an usefull idea to use a short crane to assemble the first two sections, then fit the chopsticks. Then use the chopsticks with a short crane mounted on them to "self-assemble" the remaining parts of the tower... Working this out on earth would alow for this technique to be used on other moons and planets.
12:22 imagine just walking through the wetlands with a 50m tall skyscraper controlled with a joystick. Can't help but imagine that dude's thoughts. Seriously though, is he alone? I didn't see anyone else.
Butch and Sonny are extremely happy about this accident. I watch an interview with them and they were kind of bummed at how short the mission was going to be to begin with.
Not only that...due to the extended duration of astronauts trapped like rats on the space station we will definitely become aware of the first successful human pregnancy in space.
@@ASDasdSDsadASD-nc7lf that's actually kind of a dumb comment and you haven't done your research because unfortunately all the blood rushes to your head and you can't really get a boner in space. Also women can't become aroused. It has to do with the zero-g and the way the blood oscillates in our bodies unfortunately. Also they're not really trapped and they wanted to stay a little extra long so they're only staying for 8 months. Someone did an interview with some astronauts years ago about that and there's also other health risks with blood flow. I have kind of been wondering what would happen if a baby was conceived in 0 g and born in 0 g. Joking or not they're all married and it won't happen. You'd have more luck with that happening with Polaris Dawn 🤣
reinforcements add weight and puts the whole structure in a precarious lack of balance. Load vectors are affected by higher angles distance is weight. Why don't they have a drone landing pad that the booster lands on and it can drive the booster back for re launch. Like the drone ship but on land. I can't wait to see the impressive the RUD.
The flight will probably happen in late November as stated by an update by spaceX. This is due to environmental concerns not due to safety concerns raised by the FAA
I apologize, as I’m certain this has been asked. Why are the chopstick arms straight? Seems like they should be round to conform to Starship’s shape, lined on the interior with rollers to gently guide Starship into place. They could even as a clasping mechanism on the outboard side to guarantee a secure capture. And having a round catch surface means you’ll always engage the catch tabs, no matter Starship’s orientation.
Being straight gives them a longer margin of error in case the booster is not quite perfectly centered where they are to be caught. If it ends up being a bit further away they can still be caught in the chopsticks. If they were rounded the booster and starship catch would need to be absolutely PERFECT, and if they were accidentally too far out at moment of catch, then you got a pincher instead of a catcher, trying to catch with the front leading edges on the sides would be pretty disastrous.
@@Piemur1 That makes some sense. I think rollers would mitigate that issue somewhat. Speaking of margins of error, though, as is, if starship is rotated more than a handful of degrees, its catch pins won’t engage the chopstick arms at all.
@@dgdevoll Translation along axis's is a lot harder to manage than roll. Plus it's usually going to be approaching from a specific angle. If it's roll is grossly incorrect, then its angle of approach would also likely be incorrect, then it would probably miss the tower altogether or worse. I can see where a catch with a curved surface would be useful for having a uniform pressure around it from all sides and allowing the landing pins to stop pretty much anywhere, but it's also coming inwards from a side. And the chopsticks are letting it hover in and settle into position then closing in around it. That's a very delicate maneuver akin to balancing a yardstick on a needle. Since the thrust is all the way at the end it needs to VERY precisely balance on that end. The straight chopsticks are a means of getting better accuracy margin of error. I mean, if landings could be absolutely perfect, it would simply land by dropping straight through a hoop and that would be the best case method, but it's the inaccuracies which is the meat of the issue. It's never been done before so that is simply the first iteration to catch boosters. Who knows? Maybe in the future it WOULD be a segmented wide hoop that contracts around the ship once everything has been absolutely perfected! That would be cool but that's not the here and now. There are just too many unknowns for that method to currently be feasible.
You didn't mention that Starliner DID have issues on the return. There were some additional thruster problems (but redundancy saved the day). Also there were apparently navigational problems. So, not exactly the clean return you implied.
Maybe the reason the Boeing Representatives were absent from the press conference is they were stranded waiting for their vehicle to finish pre-launch tests. 😂
Do you think they'll add flame diversion cladding to the top and side of the tower, at least above the height the chopsticks plan to make the catch? Maybe the systems are proven robust enough to take the indirect heat already from launch testing, but I'm anticipating a crispy tower! Also I wonder about the lift cable used to move the chopsticks, can the steel cable take those launch/land heating cycles and stay reliable? Would need a lot of changes to shield it effectively if it is a breaking point.
@@ASDasdSDsadASD-nc7lf Some quick maths say the tower would arrive at terminal velocity of 100+ mph if free falling from 3km and hit the tower with millions of pounds of momentum, I feel like a landing burn is essential as they did prior to dropping it into the gulf last flight or when a falcon 9 lands
I bet they wait to finish tower B catch arms until after they see how the larger arms in tower A with the enhancements performs if flight 5 yields an opportunity for the booster to try to be caught. It may be easier to make modifications when the catch arms are on the ground.
I've always wondered why are there so many heat protection designs (like the water deluge, flame trench, etc.), but none of them use heat tiles that are specifically desinged for this purpose 😅Flame from the rocket engine isn't hotter than plasma and the power and speed at liftoff aren't stronger than during re-entry, so they aren't going to get burned or fly somewhere. You can also prob. put heat tiles on everything around, like the tower, arms, tanks, etc. Is there some obvious flaw with this?
Boeing's absence from that news conference can only mean one thing: they know litigation is coming and don't want to have any public statements on record that could undermine their case.
Fluidized sand has to be a concern. Rocket exhaust energy is like an earthquake which is known to fluidize sand and sink structures like they were standing on water. The deluge system spray is the best hope to consume exhaust energy quickly at its source.
I remember that spaceX crew dragon was originally designed to carry 4 (x2)passengers and was reduced to only 4. Why bump off passengers on next launch when seats can be added?
The design may permit it, but it probably isn't "man-rated" for the extra seats. Could it be so rated? Probably. But that would likely take longer than they will be up there anyway making the point moot. The wheels of government grind slowly...
It looks like the booster has to arrive correctly oriented so that it can be correctly caught at the catch-points. I'm really curious whether this will work or whether the booster will simply slip through. If it were a catch ring, I would trust it more.
He missed one thing....due to the extended duration of astronauts trapped like rats on the space station we will definitely become aware of the first successful human pregnancy in space.
I still think they need to add more hooks to the booster - if it comes in at a slightly wrong angle... well, its not catching the booster it will slip through and smash into the OLM ... but what do I know!!
What if at last moment chopsticks get broken or jamed.... ? Per me they should install the second pair of Chopsticks on the opposit corner of the tower as a redundancy. But anyway, If landing on droneship, ocean water can swallow all debris in case of rocket explosion.
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@@Lu.capuchino Hopefully if need be, the onboard computers will be able to hover the rocket in place long enough for it to be caught perfectly, or will the Chop Sticks be lowered as the rocket descend?
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Is Boeing not showing up for the Starliner Press Conference an indicator for the future? What do you think?
I thought the Dragon capsule was capable of 7 passengers?
@@GregoryJByrne it is, but that configuration never gets used
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I'm one of those returning viewers that isn't subscribed. And I'm sorry to say, but I won't atm. While I enjoy the informative side of the videos and I'm coming back for them, having to watch/skip half the video due to advertisement of your channel, your sponsor AND Redline Helicopter is too much to make me want to subscribe. I wouldn't mind if it's mentioned occassionally or all combined in a single short (not longer than 20 secs) section, but having to spend countless minutes on it when just trying to stay up to date is annoying. So if that is ever changing I'll gladly subscribe, because then you have definetly earned it. Until then I'm only willing to give you the watchtime. I hope this isn't taking the wrong way, I know you are spending a lot of money on getting us these pictures and such. I just wanted to give you some constructive feedback. And I might be a special case since I like to subscribe only when the channel is only producing videos I like without bigger exceptions, which you are almost achieving, just not quite...
@@EldarsLabspot on
Only in the U.S. could you be in violation of a Clean Water Act by releasing... clean water.
@@kevinvanhorn2193 I think you forgot that the rocket is launching rocket fuel at it?
It's actually a attack on SpaceX.
SpaceX doesn't dump industrial waste water so they don't need it. Someone tried this in the past too.
The difference now is they found a scientist willing to make a "mistake" in their calculations by multiplying the figure twice so it went from "normal environmental amounts" to "holy crap they are dumping mercury into the water!" It didn't even make sense since they don't use it.
@@demondangr The fuel is methane and oxygen. Both are naturally available in our atmosphere. When burned, it becomes carbon dioxide and water. So no, hes not forgetting anything.
Another example of government overreach
@@demondangr In comparison animals and humans pissing in the wild is way more prejudicial
If mechazilla really manages to catch the booster, than it just shows in what a crazy time we live, imagine catching 2 Saturn V booster stages in the 60s-70s. thats a thing we never thought of it happening
It's the next step needed! A fully reusable rocket of any size would be a revolution. One of the size of Starship... is groundbreaking! Thanks for watching!
NASA abandoned vertical landing in the 90s as 'impractical and possible unfeasible'.
In a couple decades, NASA will likely only be doing robotic research and getting rides on SpaceX rockets, and that's not a bad thing.
@@LordFalconswordNASA probably came to that decision when that program was cutting into their government funded bonuses 😂
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@@King_Trigg NASA does not get bonuses. They are all civil servants. Vertical landing was not practical in the 1990s. It required another twenty years or so of technological development, particularly in computer hardware and software.
Regarding the water discharge issue: Rumor has is that at one point some legalistic inspector from OSHA demanded that ventilation fans be installed in a room holding a large vacuum chamber because "vacuum is an asphyxiate" and that meant you needed fans to make sure none of it flowed out and ended up collecting in pockets when the chamber was opened. Never underestimate a bureaucrat's ability to apply rules more diligently than they apply their brain.
That can't possibly be true.
@@odysseusrex5908 Oh my sweet summer child.
(Like really, on the obnoxious rule following scale that's like a 5 out of 10, it's just mindlessly connecting rules that are individually 100% reasonable into a whole that doesn't make sense.)
@@benjaminshropshire2900 How about the recent FAA ruling that the leftover potable water discharged from the pipes falls under the domain of "industrial waste discharge", and required that specific permit each time. 4 Fines were levied for discharge without relevant permits for IFT 1-4. But, the same discharges would have been allowed under those permits anyway.
Hahahahahahsha
Something you didn't make clear in the Blue Origin / Escapade story is that the delays are *not* related to the payload being unready...they're because NASA have reached a go/no-go decision point, and concluded that Blue Origin would not be ready to launch within the required window.
Also, the alternative date next year is *not* at the end of the Mars transfer window... it's far outside it. It's not clear exactly what they have in mind for a 2025 launch, because even if New Glenn had the power to out into a Mars injection trajectory that far outside of window (and it doesn't), the Escapade satellites don't have the delta-v to put themselves into Mars orbit from such a high energy transfer. It seems likely they're planning some kind of indirect transfer instead, perhaps a gravity assist at Venus.
FYI Starship has been delayed for 2 months, FAA didn't clear it to fly in Sept or Oct, but for now NOV is earliest.
WTF?!
@@flightsimdev9021 it's solely a punishment for Elon's lack of enthusiastic public support for the current regime.
@@danomanol Deep state
I read this in an article about the Starliner space capsules post un-docking and reentry issues:
The capsule didn't fare much better following undocking procedures on Friday. One of its 12 control jets on the crew module - a different set unrelated to the other malfunctioning service module thrusters - failed to ignite. And a glitch caused the spacecraft's navigation system to go down briefly during reentry as well.
Yeah, it's looking bad for that program.
And we’ve had lunatics suggesting that Boeing’s mission was a complete success, and including a “targeted landing”. Lol
Also, the “No Smoking” & “Fasten Seatbelts” signs failed to illuminate!
@@Famous-Potatoes But then how would the nonexistent crew know to put on their seatbelts?! Oh no!
I'm under the opinion that Boeings DEI hire program may be an issue.
I suspect Boeing didn't attend the press conference because they didn't want to answer hard questions from the press about Boeing's problems. I don't blame them.
@@ianPedlar It's a huge company with bad habits picked up over decades. It is going to take a long time for it to recover, assuming it ever does.
I think Felix was asking if Boeing's non-participation could be related to the future of Starliner. I suspect that NASA will do a "full" study of this flight which everyone will use as an excuse to not answer questions about the project's future until the study is released. Like a rolling snowball down hill the study will collect all sorts of political consequences. This could be Boeing's last Star liner flight. We should know the answer by the end of the year when the study is released.
@@SupremeOverlord10 Sure, that's how I read it too. The answer is probably "no". I suppose Boeing could cut their losses by dropping Starliner but that would be an even bigger ding to their reputation. As I said, they didn't participate because they didn't want to have to answer hard questions from the press. For one thing, they probably aren't ready to answer the big question until they have many discussions with NASA.
They were busy knocking off whistleblowers
From what i heard, it was NASA that didn't want them there, as for why, it's anyone's guess.... i guess.
Hey, Felix!
I just wanted to say how excited I am about SpaceX and everything they're doing with Starship and the future Mars missions. I’m really grateful for all the hard work you put into gathering all this information and making these videos for us to enjoy. It’s incredible to see the progress, and your coverage makes it even more thrilling to follow along. Thanks so much for keeping us updated and making it so engaging!
You're very welcome!
not sure firefighting should need a permit. does the fire department need a permit to put out a fire at your house?
If they set the fire, yes, the fire department should get a permit for fighting fire. SpaceX is setting the fire. They know when and where they are using the water. They should tell the relevant agencies about it.
@@jeffreypierson2064 They aren't being persecuted for starting fires without permits though - they're being persecuted for spraying potable waters, which is exactly what firefighters use to extinguish fires (including wildfires). In fact they often use lake water and pond water and even pool water (all of which often contain chemicals biological contaminants at concentrations that would make them toxic or dangerous to drink) to attack fires when they need to. Also, stormdrain water is absolutely chock full of pollutants and trash (from literally everything) and that stuff flows down into the same areas that SpaceX is getting grief for spilling fresh water into. The whole thing is absolutely ludicrous.
The real truth is that government holds itself to a far lower standard than it requires at gunpoint of everyone else.
I get a feeling that one container ship going through the Chesapeake River pollutes that waterway way more than one of these rocket launch effects that beach head.
The EPA is a JOKE? I worked around strip mining all my life and it has gotten where they literally want the water runoff cleaner than bottled water!
They are EXCESSIVELY corrupt.
@@eddiebowens1919 The EPA is just another Bolshevik weaponized organ of Party.
It's a matter of what you like, what you want. Some people want cheaply available minerals and fuels, some people want an environment that encourages Earth's biosphere to thrive. I will admit, though, that a federal beaurocracy is naturally better at cultivating cheap minerals than a clean environment. In 50 years the point will be moot... the balance will have tipped permanently in favor of dirty industry and the exquisite biosphere will have disappeared. Go humanity! Get off Earth now!
Clean runoff water is a bad thing?
@@DD2DL Just the cost! Industries generally subscribe to the socialist theory AFTER they have extracted their needs. Profit for them and the byproduct of pollution for the environment and the rest of us.
Putting any payload on the first New Glenn launch is very ambitious.
@@ianPedlar You must have watched a different video series than the one I watched. Could you please link the one where it was only cylinders and that's all?
I Hope Butch and Sunny get a big OverTime Check for being stuck in space so long!
And Boeing should pay that OT check
I think the company has changed names but in the state of Washington there was a company called Storm Water Management. My brother had worked for them. They set up concrete vaults in the ground which contained four very large water filters. When it rained the vaults would fill up with water and as the vault drained the water would be filtered and sent back clean into the waterways. They changed out these filters very frequently. That would be a great application for the Starship launches.
Nothing from launch gets into anything. It's a false report with a math error.
Thing is though, the water shouldn't even really be polluted if it came out clean. These rockets use liquid methane and oxygen for fuel and oxidizer, the only emissions these engines have are carbon dioxide and water vapor. You _might_ could argue the CO2 might slightly lower the pH of the water through the creation of weak carbonic acid, but that's really about it. I don't think a filter would even take care of something like that, but I'm not certain.
What is needing to be filtered here? It's water. They're using MethalLOx not KeroLox. Where are these "pollutants" coming from?
@@BabyMakR Might just be a machination of the climate change activists in contact with the EPA and the FAA.
@@1mariomaniacThis is a topic on Friday! 👌 There really isn’t any meaningful pollution from the rocket. CO2, water Vapor and a very tiny bit of soot.
Felix, I’ve missed your feed for a bit. It’s nice to see and hear you once again. Many blessings, to you and all of you (including wives and families).❤
Thank you very much! :)
The crabs are ok with their little mouth parts, it's the rabbits that are the problem.
Where are they gonna go?
Each blastoff is deafening to the rabbits.
Obviously some kind of bunny earplug program is needed to be rushed in!
I understand that there might not be a ton of new material to cover in between episodes, but I still appreciate the time and effort the WAI team puts in to the videos. Dont listen to the negativity, nobody is forcing them to watch. Keep it up!
starhoper/hoppy/the immortal went boing “crash noises” 7:50
Felix and WAI crew, fantastic channel and amazing episode, as always. This starliner mission might not have been crewed, but it definitely was crude...
Thoughts, comments, questions, concerns?
Glad you enjoyed it! ❤️
You should really put links for all your cool rocket models into the description. They're awesome.
Gänsehaut, weiter so Felix! Kanns kaum erwarten mechazilla in action zusehen
It's insane to see how fast Space X gets things done. The previous teat launch was only 2 months ago! Let's hope the mechazilla catch is attempted! 🤞
You mean it’s amazing that Space X gets things done in a regulatory Blizzard.
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Except we're supposed to be landing on Mars according to Elon 8 years ago
Yeah, it's insane that Yusaku Muezawa give to Elon 1 billion dollars in 2018 for flying around moon with another 10 people until the end of 2023 , but Musk didn't delivered anything not even in 2024, let's hope that some of the lunar HLS promises are delivered on time, instead of grand vision of the human Mars landing in two years with a ship that needs multiple orbital refueling but cannot even maneuver safety in space and don't have a single RCS thrusters, because apparently venting the tanks is a good idea (until that stupid idea broke a valve, like Musk itself recognized), like you said it's insane!
@@nuorigin don't even try to fact chek Musk fanboy(and girl) , they would delete your messages, because it's insulting to call them what they are(but they can give you false and insulting names and get a free jail card after that ), or simply denying reality like flat earthers, my message in the same stream was deleted ten seconds after posting for false reasons probably . And they live in a parallel universe in witch Starship development only started in 2018 (because then was re-named in that way ) , so if they change the name this year is a new project , amazingly fast according with them again! Let's not forget how fast Musk delivered Dear Moon. Yeah the fanboy claims that is Muezawa guilt, because get out of money in 2024 , he payed in 2018 for 2023, so who lied?
Love this channel. It’s my preferred channel for starship updates. Keep up the good work Felix
Starbase is really looking like a Starbase!
Felix invented a new phrase: "The International Spation" (15:15)
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Please; come on
The amount of red tape involved to get Flight 5 off the pad is absolutely ridiculous!!! 😡
Really hope things get solved quickly... can 't keep running into delays like this..
If the FAA get things wrong then people could DIE. Plus they are dealing with highly complex and experimental technology which is all new to them.
Great Job Felix and Crew. Super Cool Video ! Love It !!
What a day. Polaris dawn launch and a new video with felix.🥳
That was a crazy start to the day! 😍 Thanks for watching!
I think that if I was going to attempt a catch it would be better to catch at the “old” launch tower bc even if all parameters are good to go there could be a last second failure and destruction of the tower. It would be better to lose a tower that you have learned a lot on and might need improvements anyway. The new tower would be ready for the next launch even if tower A is lost. You learn to drive with an old car not your dad’s new Tesla lol. When you get rid of a car from your family inventory you usually get rid of or trade in the old one. Hopefully Tower A survives a catch, but it makes the best sense.
Someone must have corrected you on your english. This is the first time I've heard you say Earth's instead of Earthes. I watch every one of your shows and always smile when you say earthes.😊
Mate, I love your content, but please slow down with the "channel metrics" and all this stuff. 3 times a week it's a bit too much.
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Yeah, really trying to drive subs is kinda pathetic.... its like begging me to have sex with you. Just get sexier.
Felix: Why aren't there more catch points around the booster. I may be wrong, but I have only seen 2, placed across from each other (across the diameter). It would seem to increase the chance of a catch if there were more, and if the catch arms had a slight arc. Thanks for considering this! Mark from Berthoud CO
No, ESCAPADE was ready to go, it was shipped to BO, NG was a risk. NG can toss the ESCAPADE later since ESCAPADE is very light, not NG being strong.
Speaking of Escapades....due to the extended duration of astronauts trapped like rats on the space station we will definitely become aware of the first successful human pregnancy in space.
Love the updates Felix, keep them coming! BTW, where do you get the models behind you in the set? 🙏
The video: 90% Space X news and 10% other space news.
That's why I come here!
That’s odd. That’s the same percentage of launches
How is a little concrete dust in the ocean "Pollution?" I would consider hundreds of thousands of pounds of oil from oil rigs into the ocean pollution. And also 3:28 on the the third bullet point, wth is a "Startship" XD
At a minimum, the wastewater needs to be collected and sampled before discharge. Designed and permitted many of these systems, it’s the law.
@@elephantwalkersmith1533 I agree, but it should not create as much concern for the environment as it has.
Just my two cents but as a biologist there's a lot of welding dust and splatter and even shredded material from the rockets possibly being left on the ground and then being potentially washed into the wetland. They should hire me as a consultant 😀😀😀
Limestone holds carbon. Limestone is a main ingredient in concrete. It's not so bad when it's cured, but as dust it will dissolve into the water. That makes carbonic acid. Acid kills coral and weakens shells. A little bit of chemistry knowledge goes a long way.
Steel plate at the bottom, steel legs of the tower. What concrete could there be?
only two catch hooks on the booster, how are they going to ensure rotational orientation / alignment with the catch arms?
So will the new launch tower (with shorter chopsticks) just be for launches and the first tower left in place just for catches?
The heatshield pause may have more to do with testing, or the lack there of. They need to see how it performs on the next flight.
Great advertisement, just slightly interrupted by shorts video fragments!!!
The last time I was here there was ONLY ONE TOWER?? Now there is two! I apologize for my absents and have "subbed" accordingly. Thank you rocket people
Man. Seeing people and vehicles next to the chopsticks shows the scale and how impressive that is. A structure that huge that can move that quickly is amazing.
Also SpaceX being able to assemble and test fire all at the same site is what allows SpaceX being able to accomplish things faster and change things more quickly than Boeing who has to assemble everything in one place, then ship the rockets to a launch pad at a different location, and then make assessments.
On the press briefing Boeing not showing up looks worse. They don't want to admit to any failures, which is worse than showing up and admitting to their shortcomings. No one respects a person who denies their failures and hides from questions. I would have respected them more if Boeing had showed up and answered questions.
I'm very impressed with your' enthusiasm - you have the right mix of technology expertise and speech cadence not to mention a great voice. You are the right person doing this job. I really enjoy listening to you. You go well above any standard and I'm sure Elon is aware of you and is also impressed with you, I don't think you work for him, but, you're the type of person that would fit very well in his team(s). Keep up, keeping up.
Arthur 😊
Question: Why doesn't Space X test JUST the booster catch? Seems to me that they could launch a booster alone for a simple hop. To say, 1000 feet, then bring it down for the catch. It would be much easier to get a launch license for a hop than a full orbital flight AND they could then have their first flight with a used booster.
Excellent idea but how would that help them collect data on the Starship tiles?
@@ASDasdSDsadASD-nc7lf It wouldn’t, but it WOULD let then collect data on catching super heavy, and if it’s only going up a few hundred feet it won’t need nearly full thrust, so the water deluge can be used at part strong or even not at all. The low altitude and minimal water should make the launch license relatively easy to obtain. Space X gets more data it can apply to a full up flight 6
Love saying the intro with you Felix!!
Thanks for the answers. It seems to me that the chopsticks could just about lift a section of the tower. Would it not be an usefull idea to use a short crane to assemble the first two sections, then fit the chopsticks. Then use the chopsticks with a short crane mounted on them to "self-assemble" the remaining parts of the tower...
Working this out on earth would alow for this technique to be used on other moons and planets.
Hi Felix! Have you stopped using RGV flights?
12:22 imagine just walking through the wetlands with a 50m tall skyscraper controlled with a joystick. Can't help but imagine that dude's thoughts. Seriously though, is he alone? I didn't see anyone else.
Thanks again for good reporting.
Didn't the crude module have one failed thruster as well? And 2 others that got way too hot
Yep! That news surfaced after we had already finished the episode! Will mention next time! ❤️
Those plates look like standard shoring for erosion and substrate support.
Butch and Sonny are extremely happy about this accident. I watch an interview with them and they were kind of bummed at how short the mission was going to be to begin with.
Not only that...due to the extended duration of astronauts trapped like rats on the space station we will definitely become aware of the first successful human pregnancy in space.
@@ASDasdSDsadASD-nc7lf that's actually kind of a dumb comment and you haven't done your research because unfortunately all the blood rushes to your head and you can't really get a boner in space. Also women can't become aroused. It has to do with the zero-g and the way the blood oscillates in our bodies unfortunately. Also they're not really trapped and they wanted to stay a little extra long so they're only staying for 8 months. Someone did an interview with some astronauts years ago about that and there's also other health risks with blood flow. I have kind of been wondering what would happen if a baby was conceived in 0 g and born in 0 g. Joking or not they're all married and it won't happen. You'd have more luck with that happening with Polaris Dawn 🤣
reinforcements add weight and puts the whole structure in a precarious lack of balance. Load vectors are affected by higher angles distance is weight. Why don't they have a drone landing pad that the booster lands on and it can drive the booster back for re launch. Like the drone ship but on land. I can't wait to see the impressive the RUD.
Waste water? How does the EPA feel about rain?
Rain is still waiting of EPA approval.
it is not about the chopstick impact, it is about the tower bending on catching the booster wight wight at that heights
The rocket is lightweight at the point of catch.
Nooo way… Sept 19th is my Birthday 🥳 🎂 🚀 Flight 5 Let’s Gooooo!!!
The flight will probably happen in late November as stated by an update by spaceX. This is due to environmental concerns not due to safety concerns raised by the FAA
No water deluge system for landing? Not required?
Why not use the heat tiles of the OLM?
I apologize, as I’m certain this has been asked. Why are the chopstick arms straight? Seems like they should be round to conform to Starship’s shape, lined on the interior with rollers to gently guide Starship into place. They could even as a clasping mechanism on the outboard side to guarantee a secure capture. And having a round catch surface means you’ll always engage the catch tabs, no matter Starship’s orientation.
Being straight gives them a longer margin of error in case the booster is not quite perfectly centered where they are to be caught. If it ends up being a bit further away they can still be caught in the chopsticks. If they were rounded the booster and starship catch would need to be absolutely PERFECT, and if they were accidentally too far out at moment of catch, then you got a pincher instead of a catcher, trying to catch with the front leading edges on the sides would be pretty disastrous.
@@Piemur1 That makes some sense. I think rollers would mitigate that issue somewhat. Speaking of margins of error, though, as is, if starship is rotated more than a handful of degrees, its catch pins won’t engage the chopstick arms at all.
@@dgdevoll Translation along axis's is a lot harder to manage than roll. Plus it's usually going to be approaching from a specific angle. If it's roll is grossly incorrect, then its angle of approach would also likely be incorrect, then it would probably miss the tower altogether or worse. I can see where a catch with a curved surface would be useful for having a uniform pressure around it from all sides and allowing the landing pins to stop pretty much anywhere, but it's also coming inwards from a side. And the chopsticks are letting it hover in and settle into position then closing in around it. That's a very delicate maneuver akin to balancing a yardstick on a needle. Since the thrust is all the way at the end it needs to VERY precisely balance on that end. The straight chopsticks are a means of getting better accuracy margin of error.
I mean, if landings could be absolutely perfect, it would simply land by dropping straight through a hoop and that would be the best case method, but it's the inaccuracies which is the meat of the issue. It's never been done before so that is simply the first iteration to catch boosters. Who knows? Maybe in the future it WOULD be a segmented wide hoop that contracts around the ship once everything has been absolutely perfected! That would be cool but that's not the here and now. There are just too many unknowns for that method to currently be feasible.
Oh Jesus. The wait for f 5 is killing me. I have ridiculous expectations. This is why I love space x
Am in my mid 20s and I dream of us having personal aircrafts that can take us to space 🌌🚀....that would be so amazing
Love the Red Line Heli ! Super Cool !
You didn't mention that Starliner DID have issues on the return. There were some additional thruster problems (but redundancy saved the day). Also there were apparently navigational problems. So, not exactly the clean return you implied.
"less important media outlets". I agree!
They are not anomalies. Probably described is bonus checks enhancements. Proper definitions are very important.
Maybe the reason the Boeing Representatives were absent from the press conference is they were stranded waiting for their vehicle to finish pre-launch tests. 😂
Every problem can be sorted out.
Major problems are better in early developements Than years into a project a million miles from earth
That star hopper yeet graphic 😅
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Do you think they'll add flame diversion cladding to the top and side of the tower, at least above the height the chopsticks plan to make the catch? Maybe the systems are proven robust enough to take the indirect heat already from launch testing, but I'm anticipating a crispy tower!
Also I wonder about the lift cable used to move the chopsticks, can the steel cable take those launch/land heating cycles and stay reliable? Would need a lot of changes to shield it effectively if it is a breaking point.
They are planning on shutting off the engines entirely 3275 meters above the tower and catching it during freefall.
@@ASDasdSDsadASD-nc7lf Some quick maths say the tower would arrive at terminal velocity of 100+ mph if free falling from 3km and hit the tower with millions of pounds of momentum, I feel like a landing burn is essential as they did prior to dropping it into the gulf last flight or when a falcon 9 lands
I bet they wait to finish tower B catch arms until after they see how the larger arms in tower A with the enhancements performs if flight 5 yields an opportunity for the booster to try to be caught. It may be easier to make modifications when the catch arms are on the ground.
Those things going to the junkyard. The amount of redesign labor makes them already obsolete.
Are there only 2 pins on booster to contact and catch. Hope that doesn't become a fail factor. Maybe a 360° degree lip. Just thought.
They ought to have another starship hop test with it landing back in the arms.
The 19th? a Thursday? hell spacex you already missed my bday on the 2nd now its a Thursday... WEDNESDAYS are my day off!!!!!!
Interesting that you are still so optimistic regarding an IFT5 in September while NSF is expecting a date in late October ..
I've always wondered why are there so many heat protection designs (like the water deluge, flame trench, etc.), but none of them use heat tiles that are specifically desinged for this purpose 😅Flame from the rocket engine isn't hotter than plasma and the power and speed at liftoff aren't stronger than during re-entry, so they aren't going to get burned or fly somewhere. You can also prob. put heat tiles on everything around, like the tower, arms, tanks, etc.
Is there some obvious flaw with this?
They mounting of the tiles would never withstand the thrust and if they come loose would become a hazard
Thanks!
Boeing's absence from that news conference can only mean one thing: they know litigation is coming and don't want to have any public statements on record that could undermine their case.
Thanks.
Fluidized sand has to be a concern. Rocket exhaust energy is like an earthquake which is known to fluidize sand and sink structures like they were standing on water.
The deluge system spray is the best hope to consume exhaust energy quickly at its source.
I remember that spaceX crew dragon was originally designed to carry 4 (x2)passengers and was reduced to only 4. Why bump off passengers on next launch when seats can be added?
The design may permit it, but it probably isn't "man-rated" for the extra seats. Could it be so rated? Probably. But that would likely take longer than they will be up there anyway making the point moot. The wheels of government grind slowly...
Greetings from spain
Do you know when it is expected the fifth launch?
Thanks a lot for your channel
I'd say October. It's had to say as paperwork is even harder to predict than SpaceX's prototype work.
@@Whataboutit ok thanks a lot for your reply
First question on a Starbase job application form = Are you afraid of hights?
It looks like the booster has to arrive correctly oriented so that it can be correctly caught at the catch-points. I'm really curious whether this will work or whether the booster will simply slip through. If it were a catch ring, I would trust it more.
Wouldn't a catch ring create a lot of drag
So sad to find out his cameraman dreams went down the drain! That's exactly how we might miss our chance at Mars.
if the chopsticks can't catch booster properly, does the booster have sufficient fuel to fly off to ditch in the sea?
Kudos to familyman John for his promotion! 🥳
Funny I remember saying the epa was going to be a problem, everyone is nah, it's just water.
For me ,Starliner landing was a success.
“less important traditional media outlets” - line of the month right there - well done!
He missed one thing....due to the extended duration of astronauts trapped like rats on the space station we will definitely become aware of the first successful human pregnancy in space.
Where does the September 19th date come from?
My SpaceX internal sources, but I'd be surprised if they make this happen. I think October is more realistic.
@@Whataboutit yeah, "Elon time" and all.
I still think they need to add more hooks to the booster - if it comes in at a slightly wrong angle... well, its not catching the booster it will slip through and smash into the OLM ... but what do I know!!
Grid fins
@@davefarmery8180 Next version will use layers of velcro.
Is there heat titles on the starlink receivers?
yes, gotta keep em cool
What if at last moment chopsticks get broken or jamed.... ? Per me they should install the second pair of Chopsticks on the opposit corner of the tower as a redundancy. But anyway, If landing on droneship, ocean water can swallow all debris in case of rocket explosion.
“other less important media outlets” HELL YEAH!!
FELIX!!! LOVE YOU SO MUCH! But... I can hear the "Pond Five" audio watermark in your music. I'm happy to donate some of my music to you if you want it? Just let me know.
I think that SpaceX needs to put on 2nd set of chop sticks under the upper chop sticks may with 2 of them working together it would slow it down.
On the attempted 1 stage catch, does or will the rocket be fully autonomous, or can it be manipulated in any way?
No, the flight computer does everything
@@Lu.capuchino Hopefully if need be, the onboard computers will be able to hover the rocket in place long enough for it to be caught perfectly, or will the Chop Sticks be lowered as the rocket descend?
@@masshultzy6449 neither, the booster will descend into the landing rails, then those landing rails will lower to dampen the force on the chops
@@Lu.capuchino Thank you for your reply. That was very kind of you!
@@masshultzy6449 no problem!
EARTH’S! YOU GOT IT!