i bulked and did strongman training until I noticed i was at my most muscular and once my face started to get poofy i did the calorie cut--no alcohol-fast food all that jazz. its been 6 months but ive gone from 245 to 225. even losing muscle mass i still look way more jacked since you can see more muscle. but i definitely went thru the skinny fat phase where i was like wtf is this lol
4:41 Is so true. An IFBB Pro and told me he took 300 pics on 1 day immed after an amateur show. The photog picked the best, then 'shopped them. Gotta love the way these folks think and talk.
The reverse is true too: where you have cut down a lot, then you start to add in more food to return to maintenance or bulking, and the first few days you are still lean, but you are filled up and filled out, and you look and feel amazing
THANK YOU.! This has always been my problem and never found any info on it. I always wondered why I looked worse when I should be looking better and resulted in stopping my cuts. Finally someone speaks on it.
I've never stopped dieting cause of my look, it's always been because I didn't want it enough, so when it got difficult, I stopped cause I couldn't justify the difficulties of low energy and hunger, especially while working a physical job.
… Shit back in 1998 I ate tuna & water for 5 months and I would take a tablespoon of peanut butter every time I felt like I was gonna faint lol…. Back then nobody gave you the secrets they jus say low carb high protein…. … 😂🤣…. I went from 175 to 144 and look like shit… 😂🤣….
I got really lean doing high intensity cardio couple times a week on top of weight training,and my diet being on point,I've tried doing just high intensity lifting and diet,but the cardio Is always what got me more ripped 100% I could notice a big difference everytime I would do it
I've been eating the same shit for 15 years eggwhites oats sweet potatoes brown rice ground beef etc and I eat alot of it. Once I start doing cardio for weeks on end I look absolutely horrendous. My biggest and leanest is from eating the above foods obviously more that I'm not gonna sit here and fucking type but yeah cardio is ass.
been fat and been shredded.. ill take perma bulk. fuck the mind games and feeling like dog shit. eat sensible lift heavy and frequent do some cardio and boxing don't shave body hair. this is the way
@@HollerAtcherBoi trimming is one thing shaving is another. to each their own I couldn't physically give a shit what anyone else does their body however IMO women are hairless not men
@@DarkoFitCoach and I'm confused.. who said anything about being fat? so is anything less than being hairless greased up and frail "fat" and somehow beneath you? lol hopefully your not flat n weak mid cut phase when shit hits the fan or you smart off to the wrong dude cause they might just break your ass
That is probably the most real comment mate!,,, 100% so many gym goers especially the newbies and the ‘bulking’ to get a certain weight think they are sooo much bigger muscular than they are. Easily whatever most things;g they need to lose can minimum double it!,
@@winstrolchurchill821 yep. After a few years I was 190lbs and skinny fat af but now I’m 190lbs a few years later again and way less fat and far more muscle, yet the scale read the same. I used to be so concerned w the scale number.
I hate diets and I love to eat, I've always justified my eating by working and training hard. Yes this would work when I was in my 20 because my job was physically demanding but my cardio was good but I was always hungry, now that I'm in my 50's I know I gotta watch my diet which I definitely hate doing, I wish I could have done this dietary discipline eating when I was younger in order to train my stomach but I love eating like a pig 🐖.
Interesting. I've tried dieting for years, but can't seem to get anywhere unless I fast for 3 or 4 days, and then that typically leads to a binge and I gain it all back.
Just eat healthy satieting food man. Fullness vs hunger matters a lot. You can intermittent fast in the morning or whatever but you have to actually make good habits which is not simply a logical choice but takes repetition to build like any habit. Lean meat, veggies, etc
There's no hyperbolic time chamber. Everything takes time. The Goku from Future Trunks timeline died from heart disease. Getting bulky and losing speed is no bueno to ascend to a level beyond your current state. Body building and metabolic manipulation are 2 different things.
could the fluctuation also apply to someone getting back to the gym after a longer period without training, where u just starting and the weights arent as high as before etc?
Knowing what to except and surviving the flat muscle, higher fat, low energy phase is what separates the highly disciplined from all the dudes training chest on Monday nights at your gym.
Most peoole never get lean due to this inbetween shitty phase. Instead of pushing on they carb up and put calories at maintenance or evern worse surplus again and do the exact thing they dont want: nail themselves in this inbetween no mans area of looking flat and fat
This video didn't help at all. So just stay on a strict diet. That sucks....I'm 53 yrs old...still trying to get ripped. It's hard and frustrating the bloated look.
Why do yall teeter totter diet? Get fat then crash calories and feel like crap? Youre all doing it wrong. Dont let yourself go so much in the first place and have patients when dropping weight. Also, you can drop fat and keep glycogen up the majority of the time. Fun fact, your liver needs glucose in order to be able to break down body fat and use it as energy. If youre cutting cals low... have fun. Your liver holds about 400 cals btw and when glycogen is low and youre starving its always running low. Dont do starved cardio. Theres a reason your brain doesnt like it. Just eat a clean 50-30-20 and put in the work. Your body has been evolving for millions of years...it knows better than you do. Every one gram of glycogen in the muscles draws in 3-5 grams of water with it. When youre low glycogen for days on end your body draws in water from other places to keep you alive. Then when you carb up finally theres no water under the skin and you look tight and pumped.
Where is the blonde girl? The one I’m in love with. She should be included more strictly for me. Is that asking too much? How about for every piece of equipment I buy……she gets a vlog?
The steak vs beef jerky is a great analogy. Love these table talks, Thanks for giving us this type of content👍
I can straight to the comments just for this - 2 years later!
i bulked and did strongman training until I noticed i was at my most muscular and once my face started to get poofy i did the calorie cut--no alcohol-fast food all that jazz. its been 6 months but ive gone from 245 to 225. even losing muscle mass i still look way more jacked since you can see more muscle. but i definitely went thru the skinny fat phase where i was like wtf is this lol
How come no one mentioned this before. How many times did I stopped dieting because of this phenomenon. Now I understand. Thank you.
4:41 Is so true. An IFBB Pro and told me he took 300 pics on 1 day immed after an amateur show. The photog picked the best, then 'shopped them. Gotta love the way these folks think and talk.
Hmmm. Maybe I should cut finally it's been 3 years of bulking lol
Maybe, just maybe.
Stay on the bulk unless a doctor says no or you want to see abs 😂
Nope- just keep bulking and bring out the primal bloat lord
Pathetic... im on nearly 8 lol
😂😂😂. I've been on a dirty bulk for the last 40 years
The reverse is true too: where you have cut down a lot, then you start to add in more food to return to maintenance or bulking, and the first few days you are still lean, but you are filled up and filled out, and you look and feel amazing
THANK YOU.! This has always been my problem and never found any info on it. I always wondered why I looked worse when I should be looking better and resulted in stopping my cuts. Finally someone speaks on it.
I've never stopped dieting cause of my look, it's always been because I didn't want it enough, so when it got difficult, I stopped cause I couldn't justify the difficulties of low energy and hunger, especially while working a physical job.
I live everyday eating clean whole foods at maintenance and exercising everyday of the week.
This is how you feel better than any bulk or cut phase.
This is real talk right here
Thanks dave, mid diet atm and needed to hear this☺️
… Shit back in 1998 I ate tuna & water for 5 months and I would take a tablespoon of peanut butter every time I felt like I was gonna faint lol…. Back then nobody gave you the secrets they jus say low carb high protein…. … 😂🤣…. I went from 175 to 144 and look like shit… 😂🤣….
Dude eating and training is just too much fun man idk what else to say
Iv been bulking since I was 16, im 23 now. I also weigh 322 pounds and oh, I dont lift weights xd
I’m going through this right now. It’s brutal
Just stick to caloric deficit and the sooner u will be out of it.
Excellent perspective thanks a lot, I always get very demoralised a month in to diets
never planning on going on a cut ever and taking note anyway.
Very true and great info. Struggling with that right now.
I got really lean doing high intensity cardio couple times a week on top of weight training,and my diet being on point,I've tried doing just high intensity lifting and diet,but the cardio Is always what got me more ripped 100% I could notice a big difference everytime I would do it
How many calories did u eat?
I've been eating the same shit for 15 years eggwhites oats sweet potatoes brown rice ground beef etc and I eat alot of it. Once I start doing cardio for weeks on end I look absolutely horrendous. My biggest and leanest is from eating the above foods obviously more that I'm not gonna sit here and fucking type but yeah cardio is ass.
Really needed to hear this right now lol
I lnow exactly what there talking about. And also you look back and think man what i thought looked good was terrible i was fat.
Great vid. That’s why I refuse to get above 10%. That skinny fat feelings really suck. Thanks gang.
Here is a good one never heard it at this level before.....
So relatable 😂😭
Very educational and inspirational video. Thanks for sharing this!
I told myself I needed a 3-4 week cut and it ended up lasting 4 months lol. Never as lean as you think you are
been fat and been shredded.. ill take perma bulk. fuck the mind games and feeling like dog shit. eat sensible lift heavy and frequent do some cardio and boxing don't shave body hair. this is the way
No homie being lean is best feeling. Fuck being hairy and fat no thanks
Why no shaving body hair? Lol trimming is necessary for hygiene
@@HollerAtcherBoi trimming is one thing shaving is another. to each their own I couldn't physically give a shit what anyone else does their body however IMO women are hairless not men
@@DarkoFitCoach I'm not your homie
@@DarkoFitCoach and I'm confused.. who said anything about being fat? so is anything less than being hairless greased up and frail "fat" and somehow beneath you? lol hopefully your not flat n weak mid cut phase when shit hits the fan or you smart off to the wrong dude cause they might just break your ass
I live in Asia, I call it rice muscle. 98% of the guys in the gym think they are big but it's puffy crap. Terrible look
The worst thing is, when you finally be at low body fat and you realize you dont have the muscle that you thought.
That is probably the most real comment mate!,,, 100% so many gym goers especially the newbies and the ‘bulking’ to get a certain weight think they are sooo much bigger muscular than they are. Easily whatever most things;g they need to lose can minimum double it!,
@@winstrolchurchill821 yep. After a few years I was 190lbs and skinny fat af but now I’m 190lbs a few years later again and way less fat and far more muscle, yet the scale read the same. I used to be so concerned w the scale number.
@@psilocybinenthusiast3695 yep,def mate. Body composition only thing to look for in my opinion. 👌🏻👌🏻
Sooo accurate
I hate diets and I love to eat, I've always justified my eating by working and training hard. Yes this would work when I was in my 20 because my job was physically demanding but my cardio was good but I was always hungry, now that I'm in my 50's I know I gotta watch my diet which I definitely hate doing, I wish I could have done this dietary discipline eating when I was younger in order to train my stomach but I love eating like a pig 🐖.
It’s ok we can all mostly relate to it
Interesting. I've tried dieting for years, but can't seem to get anywhere unless I fast for 3 or 4 days, and then that typically leads to a binge and I gain it all back.
Just eat healthy satieting food man. Fullness vs hunger matters a lot. You can intermittent fast in the morning or whatever but you have to actually make good habits which is not simply a logical choice but takes repetition to build like any habit.
Lean meat, veggies, etc
Guilty as charged perma bulker here. Fluffy for life.
Kinda fit, kinda fat! 💪 musclechub for the win
This is so real!!
Been bulking for 23 years. still have no muscle though.
I train to do PR's so cutting isnt sustainable for me lol
This is far more motivating than some trenned up idiot telling you to only sleep 😴 2 hours a day and train harder
There's no hyperbolic time chamber. Everything takes time. The Goku from Future Trunks timeline died from heart disease. Getting bulky and losing speed is no bueno to ascend to a level beyond your current state. Body building and metabolic manipulation are 2 different things.
*Fuck diets.....FOREVERY BULKING!!!!!!!*
I can't put down the twinkies or the dbol.
Holy shit why am I now just hearing this specific topic!? It makes so much sense! Awesome talk!
could the fluctuation also apply to someone getting back to the gym after a longer period without training, where u just starting and the weights arent as high as before etc?
Good content...carry on
Knowing what to except and surviving the flat muscle, higher fat, low energy phase is what separates the highly disciplined from all the dudes training chest on Monday nights at your gym.
the thumbnail is top tier😂
This info is beyond 💯🤌
Fast it all down then build it back up..
Permabulking cause I am as tall as Tom Haviland but I am 247lbs and he is 355lbs
I permabulked for 3 years from 212 to 285 and it was the best decision ever
I’m not lean cause I eat too much. Pretty simple really.
Is thre a link to the full conversation?
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@@eliteftsofficial thanks guys! Love the diet talk
So what was the summary?
This is for natural liftters right ? Wink !
Love of IMOs pizza is a big reason. Max of once a week. 😋😋😋😋🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣Also focusing on power over esthetics.
Most peoole never get lean due to this inbetween shitty phase. Instead of pushing on they carb up and put calories at maintenance or evern worse surplus again and do the exact thing they dont want: nail themselves in this inbetween no mans area of looking flat and fat
Do you sell crash pads?
Yes - www.elitefts.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=Crash+pad
Come back with what your saying here?
LOL! It's true.
I eat because I’m unhappy, I’m unhappy because I eat”
What about the diuretics? You missed that section of conversation lol😂
Let me guess
To many calories
Not working hard enough is why
If you say lack of trenbelone acetate I swear to God
The answer is on Dave's tank top in the thumbnail
Justin and Dave should do the shows alone .
This video didn't help at all. So just stay on a strict diet. That sucks....I'm 53 yrs old...still trying to get ripped. It's hard and frustrating the bloated look.
too much calories in duh.
theres no way your losing muscle on a diet.
Thumbs up if you farted watching this.
Why do yall teeter totter diet? Get fat then crash calories and feel like crap? Youre all doing it wrong. Dont let yourself go so much in the first place and have patients when dropping weight. Also, you can drop fat and keep glycogen up the majority of the time. Fun fact, your liver needs glucose in order to be able to break down body fat and use it as energy. If youre cutting cals low... have fun. Your liver holds about 400 cals btw and when glycogen is low and youre starving its always running low. Dont do starved cardio. Theres a reason your brain doesnt like it. Just eat a clean 50-30-20 and put in the work. Your body has been evolving for millions of years...it knows better than you do. Every one gram of glycogen in the muscles draws in 3-5 grams of water with it. When youre low glycogen for days on end your body draws in water from other places to keep you alive. Then when you carb up finally theres no water under the skin and you look tight and pumped.
Hmmm and hear I thought it was cause I eat junk food every day
mhmm...because im fat?
Tar
Where is the blonde girl? The one I’m in love with. She should be included more strictly for me. Is that asking too much? How about for every piece of equipment I buy……she gets a vlog?
Who's the dude in the tank top?
Dani Lamartina
Lolol
Wow that woman is sounding suspiciously manly