Every time I read or listen to the manifesto it opens up more fully to me. The more socialist education you have the more meaning this text communicates.
Greetings Comrades! I'm new to this political space,however,I'm really enjoying learning all the new concepts and ideas which I already see would improve the conditions of the people in AFRIKA which I am primarily concerned about!
This was truly awesome. :) Just imagine how much of a storm it carried back in 1848! This is the first time I've encountered, in full, the famous Communist Manifesto. Ripper beginning, banger ending, fantastic writing and points all the way through! That ending, incidentally, always has me tearing up.
If you liked that, also check out "Principles of Communism" by Engels if you haven't already as it's the same ideas in an FAQ form. th-cam.com/video/HGcpspooZvk/w-d-xo.html
@@SocialismForAll I'm finally checking that out now, thank you. :) I'm glad that they realised, unlike some academics today in the Marxist sphere, that they had to make themselves abundantly clear, so that anyone could understand what they were saying. Their audience, much today as then, especially since capitalist education seems designed to dumb people down, I think, were not, and are not generally academic types, nor even that well educated, especially not in economics. I know this because my formal education in economics was very, if I had to guess, neoclassical/neoliberal, and like all such economic schools, designed to put people off the scent, even if the modern-day clerics of economics actually believe in it. As Marx said: "The ruling ideas are nothing more than the ideal expression of the dominant material relationships" Classic base-superstructure stuff, absolutely brilliant. :)
This is one of the classics. I would write further but there seems to be a problem with cutting and pasting today which I was going to elaborate on a few things. Is it YT? One of points was the constant cherry picking of what is in the Manifesto by the opponents of socialism. They usually cite that all property would be owned by the state and everyone else would have nothing. We all know that Marx was talking about capitalist property. Another point is that no proletariat political party should be opposed to other proletariat parties. Nor should the claim of having the "true socialism."
0:00 Intro, comments 2:11 Section One: Bourgeois and Proletarians 30:08 Section Two: Proletarians and Communists 49:34 Section Three: Socialist and Communist literature 1:10:16 Section Four: Position of the Communists in relation to the various opposition parties 1:13:12 End comments I personally, as well as most other texts, take either a long time to understand it, or never understand swathes of it. The Manifesto is one of them sadly, but I hope everyone else understands it better than I do.
Reading the Manifesto without reading other works by Marx/Engels makes the reading a bit difficult to digest if I may say so myself. My first couple reads, I felt like I had learned nothing. Having gone and listened to the other audiobooks that this page offers, I finally feel like I completely understood the Manifesto this time around and it’s quite nice.
It’s ironic I just listened to livestream 88 and here’s Marx saying capitalism will smash through all Chinese walls. I get he’s referring to the Great Wall but it’s still ironic timing. This is a good metaphor though because it positions capitalism in the role of Genghis khan a destructive war lord. So Marx is saying capitalism is the pillager of the world, which I can’t disagree with.
I would argue that the poet isn’t an honored and revered occupation, I would argue that everyone’s a poet some people simply have more training in poetry. I only bring this up because I think looking at artist as profession is a bourgeois perspective. Art is something to be opened to all people, it is the birthright and pinnacle of human evolution. To create a proletarian literature you don’t compel the ‘excellent’ writers to produce a certain kind of poetry to compel literature in a specific way. To be the engineers of the human souls as Zhdanov phrased it. No to create a proletarian literature you train the people to write poetry and stories. You encourage and enable its production, to create a proletarian literature one must enlist the proletariat. Proletarian literature arises from the soil, bourgeois literature descends from on high. Kick the stool out from beneath the ‘artists’ they’re nothing special, no more creative or artistic than anyone else.
Art should be accessible and available to all, but that doesn't detract from it being a calling for some people in the same way that some people are called to be revolutionary soldiers, politicians or any other labour.
I think a lot of this comment resonates with me as a hobbyist artist (musician). However, the last sentence I have to nitpick- creativity is absolutely a spectrum. We can simultaneously disparage bourgeois individualism and still recognize individual differences. Artistry, on the other hand, I can very much agree with your sentiment on. In art we must reject the concept of ‘objective’ skill or talent, as it is entirely relative to the intended style and effect of the art.
Hopefully we could just live our lives. We would assumedly do whatever labor peaks our interest at that point where just about every job is automated and hopefully our educational system wouldnt be as streamlined as it is today and would make that kind thing possible.
God, listening to Marx is like trying to translate an alien language. Sometimes I feel that his works are purposefully obtuse in their language and content. Irrespective of the fact that his work is practically ancient and translated from another language, his tone is _incredibly_ dry and reliant on context. I feel that there needs to be some sort of contemporary translation of Marxist texts for them to actually have any real value to the modern socialist who's interested in reading theory.
I read a lot of theory and don't particularly like the Manifesto. I suggest Principles of Communism instead, which is the same information in a different format. th-cam.com/video/HGcpspooZvk/w-d-xo.html
@@SocialismForAll Thanks, I've listened to this one of yours already. I find that Engels was a lot more straightforward and understandable in his writing. It's a much more tolerable read to the contemporary socialist.
Haha, can’t help but feel similarly honestly. I think we’re overdue for ‘translation’ to modern language. I can get through the shorter stuff like this manifesto but long texts like the Capital books are pretty rough
This was my first communist book I ever listened to. Now half year later im listening to this again and I understand everything way more clearly
Every time I read or listen to the manifesto it opens up more fully to me. The more socialist education you have the more meaning this text communicates.
Totally agree, I keep returning to it and finding new unexpected meanings, sometimes I even think I never read that passage before
15:37 - “too narrow” is about the most apt and best way i’ve ever heard anybody describe the crisis of overproduction. brilliant
Greetings Comrades! I'm new to this political space,however,I'm really enjoying learning all the new concepts and ideas which I already see would improve the conditions of the people in AFRIKA which I am primarily concerned about!
Been a few years since I last read the manifesto. This video was a great refresher!!
Slowly but surely getting through the basic MAI reading guide, excited to finally give this classic proper attention
First time getting through this. Absolutely incredible
Welcome aboard!
This was truly awesome. :) Just imagine how much of a storm it carried back in 1848! This is the first time I've encountered, in full, the famous Communist Manifesto. Ripper beginning, banger ending, fantastic writing and points all the way through! That ending, incidentally, always has me tearing up.
If you liked that, also check out "Principles of Communism" by Engels if you haven't already as it's the same ideas in an FAQ form. th-cam.com/video/HGcpspooZvk/w-d-xo.html
@@SocialismForAll I'm finally checking that out now, thank you. :) I'm glad that they realised, unlike some academics today in the Marxist sphere, that they had to make themselves abundantly clear, so that anyone could understand what they were saying.
Their audience, much today as then, especially since capitalist education seems designed to dumb people down, I think, were not, and are not generally academic types, nor even that well educated, especially not in economics.
I know this because my formal education in economics was very, if I had to guess, neoclassical/neoliberal, and like all such economic schools, designed to put people off the scent, even if the modern-day clerics of economics actually believe in it.
As Marx said: "The ruling ideas are nothing more than the ideal expression of the dominant material relationships"
Classic base-superstructure stuff, absolutely brilliant. :)
Thank you.
This is one of the classics. I would write further but there seems to be a problem with cutting and pasting today which I was going to elaborate on a few things. Is it YT? One of points was the constant cherry picking of what is in the Manifesto by the opponents of socialism. They usually cite that all property would be owned by the state and everyone else would have nothing. We all know that Marx was talking about capitalist property. Another point is that no proletariat political party should be opposed to other proletariat parties. Nor should the claim of having the "true socialism."
Thank you for doing these readings
0:00 Intro, comments
2:11 Section One: Bourgeois and Proletarians
30:08 Section Two: Proletarians and Communists
49:34 Section Three: Socialist and Communist literature
1:10:16 Section Four: Position of the Communists in relation to the various opposition parties
1:13:12 End comments
I personally, as well as most other texts, take either a long time to understand it, or never understand swathes of it. The Manifesto is one of them sadly, but I hope everyone else understands it better than I do.
Thanks for the timestamps! And feel free to ask questions, and I will try to answer & explain.
Reading the Manifesto without reading other works by Marx/Engels makes the reading a bit difficult to digest if I may say so myself. My first couple reads, I felt like I had learned nothing. Having gone and listened to the other audiobooks that this page offers, I finally feel like I completely understood the Manifesto this time around and it’s quite nice.
Great work, man!
Thanks for this comrade.
Thank you comrade
First Marxist work I read. Excellent text.
👌🏿Yes useful 📚
This is such a poetic and beautiful book.
It’s ironic I just listened to livestream 88 and here’s Marx saying capitalism will smash through all Chinese walls. I get he’s referring to the Great Wall but it’s still ironic timing. This is a good metaphor though because it positions capitalism in the role of Genghis khan a destructive war lord. So Marx is saying capitalism is the pillager of the world, which I can’t disagree with.
What do they mean at 11:39 when they say "rescued from the idiocy of rural life?"
Meaning, it's boring out in the sticks
@@SocialismForAll No. It means that life is drudgery.
@@fun_ghoul "It's not boring, it's boring!" what
Thank You - That was amazing and at times, actually funny - Is it Marx or Engels who has the acid tongue?
I would say Marx is the stronger in this regard.
woo, yay knawledge
I would argue that the poet isn’t an honored and revered occupation, I would argue that everyone’s a poet some people simply have more training in poetry. I only bring this up because I think looking at artist as profession is a bourgeois perspective. Art is something to be opened to all people, it is the birthright and pinnacle of human evolution. To create a proletarian literature you don’t compel the ‘excellent’ writers to produce a certain kind of poetry to compel literature in a specific way. To be the engineers of the human souls as Zhdanov phrased it. No to create a proletarian literature you train the people to write poetry and stories. You encourage and enable its production, to create a proletarian literature one must enlist the proletariat. Proletarian literature arises from the soil, bourgeois literature descends from on high. Kick the stool out from beneath the ‘artists’ they’re nothing special, no more creative or artistic than anyone else.
Art should be accessible and available to all, but that doesn't detract from it being a calling for some people in the same way that some people are called to be revolutionary soldiers, politicians or any other labour.
I think a lot of this comment resonates with me as a hobbyist artist (musician). However, the last sentence I have to nitpick- creativity is absolutely a spectrum. We can simultaneously disparage bourgeois individualism and still recognize individual differences. Artistry, on the other hand, I can very much agree with your sentiment on. In art we must reject the concept of ‘objective’ skill or talent, as it is entirely relative to the intended style and effect of the art.
Love the readings, thank you!
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2750 people now own half of global wealth. Where do we go when Labor is replaced with automation?
They've been replacing labor with improved machinery since the beginning.
Hopefully we could just live our lives. We would assumedly do whatever labor peaks our interest at that point where just about every job is automated and hopefully our educational system wouldnt be as streamlined as it is today and would make that kind thing possible.
For one perspective try "The Wages of Humanity" by Liu Cixin
a true classic
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It's an oldie but it's also a Goldie
God, listening to Marx is like trying to translate an alien language. Sometimes I feel that his works are purposefully obtuse in their language and content. Irrespective of the fact that his work is practically ancient and translated from another language, his tone is _incredibly_ dry and reliant on context. I feel that there needs to be some sort of contemporary translation of Marxist texts for them to actually have any real value to the modern socialist who's interested in reading theory.
I read a lot of theory and don't particularly like the Manifesto. I suggest Principles of Communism instead, which is the same information in a different format. th-cam.com/video/HGcpspooZvk/w-d-xo.html
@@SocialismForAll Thanks, I've listened to this one of yours already. I find that Engels was a lot more straightforward and understandable in his writing. It's a much more tolerable read to the contemporary socialist.
This work is absolutely beautiful and poetic. Its not dry, its absolutely thunderous
Haha, can’t help but feel similarly honestly. I think we’re overdue for ‘translation’ to modern language. I can get through the shorter stuff like this manifesto but long texts like the Capital books are pretty rough
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