Glad to see some TLC going on to her her back in shape and a new lease of love. I had the Peugeot version and absolutely *loved* it. Absolutely fantastic little car. Even managed to get me through a snowstorm and up a seriously steep, ungritted icy hill. Pretty sure that was way beyond what Mitsubishi had in mind, but she coped admirably when far bigger and more powerful machines were struggling.
Always find it remarkable how skilled people can fix something that looks ready to be scrapped! I've owned Fords in the past that were more welded panel than original car! Look forward to the follow up 👍
I have a 2012 model, virtually no rust. Always garaged and no salt water. (except Winter council salt on the roads) Battery packed in at 16,000 miles. New one was under guarantee.but would have cost £6,000 if I'd had to pay. Some range degradation, but I can't quantify it. Never been fast charged, only charged at home with lead supplied. Vacuum pump for brakes replace twice at no cost to me, (Did not fail, manufacturer's recall) No other problems. Wonderful to drive.
The thing people have to learn about EV's, the motor is virtually indestructible and should in theory run for hundreds of thousands of miles if not a lot more. The battery pack will eventually fade to zero, but with new and 3rd party battery packs, this car could run for as long as the chassis and body hold up, and even that is down to regular maintenance, just like ANY vehicle. They are not like internal combustion engines that require constant attention, more so as they get older, a well maintained EV can and should do hundreds of thousands of miles. With ICE cars, typically you scrap them once the engine is done, yet the car itself could be ok, it's just that they're not worth spending thousands on for a reconditioned engine. EV's are. Just a small note, if you take a car for an MOT and they warn you that it'll need a fair amount of work to repair the rust damage.... like they do, next year, next MOT! Do it ASAP so it doesn't become a big job. Spend £100 now and get it sorted or £500 next year.
Truth sadly though third party batteries don't exist. And if you ask people why, they'll just tell you that you should never replace the battery because "it's too dangerous". And thus that you shouldn't be allowed to replace EV batteries for your own safety.
@Peter Hicks Yet actually diagnostics should be a piece of cake on a dodgy battery pack. The Canion app plus a USBlink LX Bluetooth scanner (£44) will tell you how many cells are dying. Half an hour to remove the battery pack, twenty minutes with a multimeter to identify the failing cells, ten minutes to slot in replacements and finally half an hour to reinstall the battery pack. In any Lithium Ion battery pack, one or two cells will bear the brunt of any misuse, usually caused by fast charging, so it's likely that replacing one or two cells will cure the problem. The main issue will be sourcing drop-in replacement cells of the same dimensions and with the same connections, but in theory it should be possible to find them for less than £50 each.
@Peter Hicks Based on the video, yes, half an hour seems about right for a competent mechanic with the right equipment. Remove front passenger seat, remove cover plate, disconnect main fuse, raise ramp, remove three or four cover plates, disconnect main power cables, disconnect various peripherals, support battery pack, undo maybe twenty mounting bolts, lower battery pack to the ground. Described as a relatively easy operation in the video
@Peter Hicks Replacing the entire battery pack because of one or two bad cells screwing with the system is like ripping the entire engine out of an ICE because one of the spark plugs has gone. No one with any knowledge of how the car works would do that. You replace the bad cells. For an experienced independent EV repair shop, this isn't a difficult job. Put car on lift. Disconnect battery and drop it down. Crack open the unit. Remove bad cells. Plug in new ones. Close up and reattach. The problem is that most people are neophobic and have an irrational fear of a new things that's different to what they knew before, so see the battery pack as a "magic box" rather than a logical device that is simply a sum of parts that can be broken down, understood and interacted with no different to how people would treat the engine of an ICE.
@@sailingoctopus1 The Imiev (and it's clones / spin-offs) all used Yuasa cells that, if I recall correctly, are shared with a lot of electric fork-lifts, so shouldn't be too hard to source.
Very impressive, I have always wanted to see a car, especially an EV, after 10 years. The rust is not surprising at that age, but that is a good maintenance job!
Saved a perfectly useable car. Personally I always clean underneath of my cars and give them a coating of rust protection at least once in my ownership.
The lack of an undertray was one the reasons I got rid of my Peugeot Ion. It was completely exposed underneath. A great car to drive and super nimble in the city.
@@samusaran7317 it's a great car. I get 200 miles range easily. Very reliable, comes with a heat pump as standard so equally at home in cold and hot weather climates. Being a hatchback it is really a European car.
Amazing the amount of rust on this car that is a pretty recent design. I plan to buy a cheap used one next year and I'll definitely check for rust underneath.
This i miev did spent all its life next to the sea , ive seen examples in uk from the midlands looking far better. Salt air will accelerate rust on any vehicle.
@@JonathanPorterfield Finally found a MY 2020 with 10 000 km (6 000 miles) for less than 9 000€. No rust issue in the end. And traction guaranted till 2025 and battery guaranteed till 2028.
It looked like a basket case at first sight. Shocking that it had no rustproofing from new, though. That's an essential in a coastal environment, especially with the strong winds which make Orkney famously electricity-positive.
I have a 2011 iMiev (the one Mitsubishi used in their original brochure!) and it went in for an MOT this week. The mechanic said there is corrosion on the brake pipe underneath and he can't repair it as it goes under the battery pack. It passed but he said he would fail it next year. At a bit of a loss as to what to do. Out local Mitsubishi dealer in Tunbridge Wells have absolutely no experience with an iMiev. Any ideas?
Easy to chop out the 2 ends either end where the joints are , and replace with new pipe. There is room to feed the new pipe over the top of the pack without removing it.
Thank you Johnathon. That is great news. Last month I sold my ice Audi A1 and now looking for a 64 kw Kona / Soul - will be in touch with you... Thanks again.
What sort of mechanic can't remove a component in order to replace a brake pipe? Taking the battery out is not rocket science, and neither is replacing brake pipes.
Oh crap, I was not aware the iMiev/iOn/c-zero had this problem. We were unexpected in need of a secundairy car and had a great deal on a brand new iOn back in december (last day we had the right to have a government cutback of 4000 euro in my country). Problem is I work at the harbour just next to the sea and when it is windy the waves break at the dam wenre situated and the salt water spray would often form a layer of salt on our cars. So this is asking for the same problems like yours in a while.
@Peter Hicks I think Belgium had the worst now: so they cut the cutback back in january 2020 (only for folks in the private market), they also cut the reversing electricity counter for people (also only private market) with solar panels. And due of the coronavirus they seek more money, so my guess is they will drop the free yearly tax for EV´s and Hybrids too.😅
@Peter Hicks about that counter going backwards forgot to mention they did multiple promises that if you invested in solar panels it was guaranteed you would have that right for 15 years.so 500.000 homes did exaxtly that, and they just dropped that like it was nothing. Belgium at their finest i would say.
That rust is horrendous for a vehicle of that age. I have a 2005 Ford fiesta (now 2022), 200,000miles and been on a farm all its life and only has spot rust. How times have changed....
Living close to the sea ( Aberdeen) did hasten this i mievs Rot ! The rust protection wasnt good at all on these Japanese built cars. The point of my video was to dispel the myths that ev battries dont last longer than 4 years !
75 mph in a i miev is scary ! Its not designed for these speeds. At 70mph ( the legal motorway limit in the uk ) you'd get around 20 miles range in a i miev in winter , drop to 50mph and youll see 50 mile range ( with heater off !)
@@JonathanPorterfield oh it's that bad, huh? I'll just keep my old diesel car for a few more years until I can afford a bit more premium EV then, thanks 😊
@@JonathanPorterfield Hi Jonathan, don't worry. My mate in Drumoak tells me that Aberdeen is back to its original location. I must comment that the "Mitsubishi I-Miev renovation" is the first, practical TH-cam that you have produced and I'm looking forward to the sequel. Did you see the Gyrfalcon in Birsay Moors (or elsewhere)?
now you close imiev too for the same reason ... isn't imiev is your electric car..you said imiev sales also got worse like lancer evo. where are you guys actually going ..
Full costs will be in part 2 , but so far my cost inc the i miev is £1000 ! . With these selling for around £4000 still at auction , it will be worth it !
It worked out for me , its a bit like saying its cheaper to make a cake than buy one , many people dont bake their own cake , but happy to buy , as someone else has done it for them !
![47kW Electric Car Motor from MITSUBISHI i-MiEV. [Eng sub]](/img/n.gif)
Glad to see some TLC going on to her her back in shape and a new lease of love. I had the Peugeot version and absolutely *loved* it. Absolutely fantastic little car. Even managed to get me through a snowstorm and up a seriously steep, ungritted icy hill. Pretty sure that was way beyond what Mitsubishi had in mind, but she coped admirably when far bigger and more powerful machines were struggling.
Guys, let's start a crowdfunding campaign to buy Jonathan a microphone muff :-)
And a pre-amp to bring his voice out of the suburbs! 👋 😁 👍
Lol
Good to see the iMiev refreshed and ready for another ten years.
Always find it remarkable how skilled people can fix something that looks ready to be scrapped! I've owned Fords in the past that were more welded panel than original car!
Look forward to the follow up 👍
Ace, loved that. Looking forward to next installment 👍🏻
I have a 2012 model, virtually no rust. Always garaged and no salt water. (except Winter council salt on the roads)
Battery packed in at 16,000 miles. New one was under guarantee.but would have cost £6,000 if I'd had to pay.
Some range degradation, but I can't quantify it. Never been fast charged, only charged at home with lead supplied.
Vacuum pump for brakes replace twice at no cost to me, (Did not fail, manufacturer's recall)
No other problems. Wonderful to drive.
What happened to the battery? Was it old or defective? 16000 miles seems short lived. Asking as I'm thinking of buying a 2013 iMev with 24000km on it.
Splendidly baroque organ accompaniment!
Yes i thought that was fitting background sounds ! Pure chance !
The thing people have to learn about EV's, the motor is virtually indestructible and should in theory run for hundreds of thousands of miles if not a lot more. The battery pack will eventually fade to zero, but with new and 3rd party battery packs, this car could run for as long as the chassis and body hold up, and even that is down to regular maintenance, just like ANY vehicle.
They are not like internal combustion engines that require constant attention, more so as they get older, a well maintained EV can and should do hundreds of thousands of miles. With ICE cars, typically you scrap them once the engine is done, yet the car itself could be ok, it's just that they're not worth spending thousands on for a reconditioned engine. EV's are.
Just a small note, if you take a car for an MOT and they warn you that it'll need a fair amount of work to repair the rust damage.... like they do, next year, next MOT! Do it ASAP so it doesn't become a big job. Spend £100 now and get it sorted or £500 next year.
Truth sadly though third party batteries don't exist. And if you ask people why, they'll just tell you that you should never replace the battery because "it's too dangerous". And thus that you shouldn't be allowed to replace EV batteries for your own safety.
@Peter Hicks Yet actually diagnostics should be a piece of cake on a dodgy battery pack. The Canion app plus a USBlink LX Bluetooth scanner (£44) will tell you how many cells are dying. Half an hour to remove the battery pack, twenty minutes with a multimeter to identify the failing cells, ten minutes to slot in replacements and finally half an hour to reinstall the battery pack. In any Lithium Ion battery pack, one or two cells will bear the brunt of any misuse, usually caused by fast charging, so it's likely that replacing one or two cells will cure the problem. The main issue will be sourcing drop-in replacement cells of the same dimensions and with the same connections, but in theory it should be possible to find them for less than £50 each.
@Peter Hicks Based on the video, yes, half an hour seems about right for a competent mechanic with the right equipment. Remove front passenger seat, remove cover plate, disconnect main fuse, raise ramp, remove three or four cover plates, disconnect main power cables, disconnect various peripherals, support battery pack, undo maybe twenty mounting bolts, lower battery pack to the ground. Described as a relatively easy operation in the video
@Peter Hicks Replacing the entire battery pack because of one or two bad cells screwing with the system is like ripping the entire engine out of an ICE because one of the spark plugs has gone. No one with any knowledge of how the car works would do that. You replace the bad cells. For an experienced independent EV repair shop, this isn't a difficult job. Put car on lift. Disconnect battery and drop it down. Crack open the unit. Remove bad cells. Plug in new ones. Close up and reattach. The problem is that most people are neophobic and have an irrational fear of a new things that's different to what they knew before, so see the battery pack as a "magic box" rather than a logical device that is simply a sum of parts that can be broken down, understood and interacted with no different to how people would treat the engine of an ICE.
@@sailingoctopus1 The Imiev (and it's clones / spin-offs) all used Yuasa cells that, if I recall correctly, are shared with a lot of electric fork-lifts, so shouldn't be too hard to source.
Very impressive, I have always wanted to see a car, especially an EV, after 10 years. The rust is not surprising at that age, but that is a good maintenance job!
Amazing: would never have belied that rusty old chassis could be sorted, but there you go.
Saved a perfectly useable car.
Personally I always clean underneath of my cars and give them a coating of rust protection at least once in my ownership.
The lack of an undertray was one the reasons I got rid of my Peugeot Ion. It was completely exposed underneath. A great car to drive and super nimble in the city.
What are you driving now?
@@samusaran7317 Renault Zoe...a more mainstream option.
@@davidbarr5783 Are you enjoying it? Personally I wish it was available here in the states.
@@samusaran7317 it's a great car. I get 200 miles range easily. Very reliable, comes with a heat pump as standard so equally at home in cold and hot weather climates. Being a hatchback it is really a European car.
Very interesting video - will be cool to see EV's lasting for decades and decades, ideally getting new batteries down the road!
How much capacity has the battery lost? Looking forward to the next part. I - miev and its clones are my favourite ev's.
Stardust Two Yes! This is my first EV that I’ve bought used but it’s new to me. I’ll pick it up in a few days. I’m so excited. I can’t wait.
DO THE MATH MATE.
Let's say 80 miles per charge and a cycle life of 800 to 80%
800x80=64000 miles.
I would say he is at or past 80% left.
I was waiting for you to say that the previous owner had bought a Model 3 with the money he had saved running the I-Miev. 8-)
Amazing the amount of rust on this car that is a pretty recent design.
I plan to buy a cheap used one next year and I'll definitely check for rust underneath.
This i miev did spent all its life next to the sea , ive seen examples in uk from the midlands looking far better.
Salt air will accelerate rust on any vehicle.
@@JonathanPorterfield Finally found a MY 2020 with 10 000 km (6 000 miles) for less than 9 000€. No rust issue in the end. And traction guaranted till 2025 and battery guaranteed till 2028.
It looked like a basket case at first sight. Shocking that it had no rustproofing from new, though. That's an essential in a coastal environment, especially with the strong winds which make Orkney famously electricity-positive.
I have a 2011 iMiev (the one Mitsubishi used in their original brochure!) and it went in for an MOT this week. The mechanic said there is corrosion on the brake pipe underneath and he can't repair it as it goes under the battery pack. It passed but he said he would fail it next year. At a bit of a loss as to what to do. Out local Mitsubishi dealer in Tunbridge Wells have absolutely no experience with an iMiev. Any ideas?
Easy to chop out the 2 ends either end where the joints are , and replace with new pipe. There is room to feed the new pipe over the top of the pack without removing it.
Thank you Johnathon. That is great news. Last month I sold my ice Audi A1 and now looking for a 64 kw Kona / Soul - will be in touch with you... Thanks again.
What sort of mechanic can't remove a component in order to replace a brake pipe? Taking the battery out is not rocket science, and neither is replacing brake pipes.
Oh crap, I was not aware the iMiev/iOn/c-zero had this problem. We were unexpected in need of a secundairy car and had a great deal on a brand new iOn back in december (last day we had the right to have a government cutback of 4000 euro in my country). Problem is I work at the harbour just next to the sea and when it is windy the waves break at the dam wenre situated and the salt water spray would often form a layer of salt on our cars. So this is asking for the same problems like yours in a while.
Just get it undersealed whilst its still fresh, its not that expensive at your local bodyshop or garage.
@Peter Hicks I think Belgium had the worst now: so they cut the cutback back in january 2020 (only for folks in the private market), they also cut the reversing electricity counter for people (also only private market) with solar panels. And due of the coronavirus they seek more money, so my guess is they will drop the free yearly tax for EV´s and Hybrids too.😅
@Peter Hicks about that counter going backwards forgot to mention they did multiple promises that if you invested in solar panels it was guaranteed you would have that right for 15 years.so 500.000 homes did exaxtly that, and they just dropped that like it was nothing. Belgium at their finest i would say.
@Peter Hicks oh I wouldn´t be surprised. Corona will be the free pass they need to achieve all these bs taxes in the name of ´for society´.
Lets hope it'll not happen again with Mitsi's new EK X (Cross) EV and its sister Nissan Sakura. Too bad for they're for Japanese market for now.
That rust is horrendous for a vehicle of that age. I have a 2005 Ford fiesta (now 2022), 200,000miles and been on a farm all its life and only has spot rust. How times have changed....
Living close to the sea ( Aberdeen) did hasten this i mievs Rot ! The rust protection wasnt good at all on these Japanese built cars. The point of my video was to dispel the myths that ev battries dont last longer than 4 years !
Those batteries just don’t last haha, holy body work bat man
What's the range during winter times at ~75 MPH motorway speeds? Cheers.
75 mph in a i miev is scary ! Its not designed for these speeds.
At 70mph ( the legal motorway limit in the uk ) you'd get around 20 miles range in a i miev in winter , drop to 50mph and youll see 50 mile range ( with heater off !)
@@JonathanPorterfield oh it's that bad, huh? I'll just keep my old diesel car for a few more years until I can afford a bit more premium EV then, thanks 😊
@@AgentSmith911 Look into an Ioniq
That is a lot of rust. Worth thinking about as there are plenty of Miev/iOn/etc on the used market in 2022.
This I Miev spent ALL its life next to the sea in and around Aberdeen , so the salt air has accelerated the tin worm !
Ugly little tin can that does a lot💪🏽
My has driven 140k km from brand new and NEVER had a problem without my "gas cap" freezing😂.
They should have went on with the CA-Miev concept and redesigned the current car 👎🏽
How much did the work cost vs car value?
Will be in the next video !
Nice wind
Dear god... this was a totalled car here.. But kudo's for the effort!
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Nicola Sturgeon has mysterious powers. She has moved Aberdeen to the West Coast of Scotland (2:06/6:29)
I checked the audio too , my bad !
@@JonathanPorterfield Hi Jonathan, don't worry. My mate in Drumoak tells me that Aberdeen is back to its original location. I must comment that the "Mitsubishi I-Miev renovation" is the first, practical TH-cam that you have produced and I'm looking forward to the sequel. Did you see the Gyrfalcon in Birsay Moors (or elsewhere)?
Part 2?
Should be soon , bodyshop only opened this week , so just waiting on MOT ,then ill get it back to shoot part 2 !
@@JonathanPorterfield Great!
@@miloe436 th-cam.com/video/NcfucN8pBw4/w-d-xo.html
You could almost hear what the hell he was saying. Almost.
Thats orkney wind for you 🤣🤣
Incredible rust in this car after 10 years ?!
It was next to the coast all its life !
now you close imiev too for the same reason ... isn't imiev is your electric car..you said imiev sales also got worse like lancer evo. where are you guys actually going ..
Ive no idea what you saying !
Why are you scraping a 10 year old car?
Im not !
@@JonathanPorterfield oh good because the rust wouldn’t put me off I’d drive it
@@01howardproductions92 have you watch rhis video and part 2 ?
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Ocean spray
I bet it's been scrapped long ago
Still has a valid MOT until march 2024 ! So NOT scrapped 😊
Seems like a lot of money being spent on something that doesn’t look like it’s worth while doing !!
Full costs will be in part 2 , but so far my cost inc the i miev is £1000 ! . With these selling for around £4000 still at auction , it will be worth it !
Aberdeen is on the east coast..
Yes , i got it wrong !
The economics of this just do not stand up.. 99% of people have to pay to get this done... It would cost more than the car!
It worked out for me , its a bit like saying its cheaper to make a cake than buy one , many people dont bake their own cake , but happy to buy , as someone else has done it for them !