I agree physical is better and I've never owned Netflix and hulu my friends have them and it is overwhelming. But saying that growing up I loved the Sega channel which was a catalog service too. That might be the only catalog service I've ever liked
Very good point for modern stuff for sure. The modern landscape is really frustrating for all the reasons you mentioned. What's your viewpoint on retro stuff. Do you like getting the old carts and stuff or prefer emulation? We like collecting retro for sure but still emulate sometime for ease of use. Fun topic to discuss for sure. Thanks for watching and leaving a very thoughtful and engaging comment. Cheers!
First off, let me say that the title you attached to this video is controversial enough that it actually pulled me in. I have never seen your videos before so my first thought was that you guys were a couple of hacks trying to downplay retro gaming in favor of emulation. The more apt question to pose would be "Is emulation pointless?" but how many people would that draw in to watch your video and would they watch all the way through? I believe that emulation is pointless. As you pointed out, you never get the true experience. Another thing you have to ask yourself is this: Which TH-cam video are you more likely to watch......someone showing you shelves and shelves of games or a person scrolling through their list of digital games on the XBOX One or PS4? The latter to me would be a bit anticlimactic. The joy of the hunt is completely gone and the experience of acquiring games is boiled down to the bare minimum. Like you guys, I love to get out there and find a deal. It's a great feeling when you find that game you have been seeking for ages and at a price you can afford. How is a download going to match that? Is the act of acquiring emulations even collecting at all?
All hobbies are pointless to grand scheme of life but they are important to the individual. The model car builder, the hiker, the avid movie buff, the constant traveler. Yes some hobbies can benefit people's lives in more positive ways than others but the gist is this. Enjoy what you like to do, we all have hobbies some of us have multiple hobbies. We live and we die that's the only guarantees in life so while we live do the things you love as long as they are legal and healthy.
Growing up in the 90s, I found all the artworks from game cartridges, boxes and manuals very beautiful. For me, the physical shape, the cart, the label, they are all part of what the game is about. When I go to used games stores, I watch the games and for me, it's like if I'm entering a museum or something. I don't have let's say, Chrono Trigger in box for Snes, or Super Metroid, but when I see them somewhere, there's something very impressive about it. It's like going back in time, exactly like seeing a famous painting in a museum somewhere, like I said. It's part of history.
I personally think it helps keep the history alive. If no one collected retro games it would all be in landfills and no one could show how far we came in each gaming generation. They are good time capsules of the times.
Great advice for sure. We are in the same boat, we only collect what we play or have the intent to play. This channel takes up a lot of our gaming time lol. Thanks a ton for watching. Cheers!
It's all about playing the games you want to play or always wanted to play. For me it's the memories connected to the games. Street fighter 2 on the sega genesis was the first game I bought with money my Dad have me Everytime I play that game I remember him even though he's no longer here Still Good Times😄😁
Yeah, idk how some ppl own like 10 video game consoles and collect for them. It’s cool but it’s overkill for me. I’m not gonna spend the bankroll to have 1,000+ games. I have a tiny bit of N64 games but probably gonna sell them. I collect physical games for the Switch and PS4. I also have SNES and Sega mini consoles. The mini consoles are enough for me. A lot cheaper than buying a SNES collection. If someone has a massive collection I think it’s badass but It’s too many games for me to play and I don’t want my house looking like a Blockbuster video store 😂
What game chasers were saying is that there is no point in buying games just because its a good deal and you have no plans of playing. Then you end up with games for consoles you may not even own. Now you start taking over a room with old plastic. Like everything in life, moderation.
What a great subject to talk about! I remember a day where I was out at dinner with the family for somebody's birthday and my uncle was talking about getting a VR set for the families PS4. I chimed in and said that was a good idea. Long story short, the conversation eventually shifted to asking me about the VR set and how I knew so much about it. I told them I was a video game enthusiast and that even though I didn't have a PS4 I liked learning about all kinds of game history and I had 13 other consoles hooked up ready to play. They looked at me kind of funny and asked why I wouldn't just trade in my older consoles to get the newer ones. I'll never forget that question and how it made me feel. I couldn't be angry because I knew they felt differently about games, but it also made me ask myself why I had all those consoles and games. It only took me a minute to answer that question though: because it's a unique experience not only for myself but also for the people I get to share it with. I still own the N64 I grew up with, I own an Xbox that my dad had installed in his old Escalade that he ended up giving to me later on, I played a ton of PS2 and Gamecube at my friends house, and much more. These are all experiences that I get to share with my friends, family and future children just for having all these games and consoles. I know I'm late to the party but thanks for sharing this video with us! Hope you're all doing well and staying safe!
Great perspective. The memories and nostalgia is priceless. And playing retro stuff is a different experience all together. Not saying modern stuff is bad it's just different. My guess is you feel like a badass when you beat a game on N64 or SNES etc. Why? Because those game were tough back them. Many modern games (not all) are more of a cinematic presentation. Entertaining but also not quite as fulfilling to beat. Saying you can be Contra or Mike Tyson's Punch Out is different than saying you beat the RE3 remake. Anywho, I'll quit rambling lol. Thanks a ton for watching. Cheers to keeping it retro!
You guys truly bring up a fantastic angle on this. How you consume media is a really big deal that no one really hammered on. I loved your analogy on how you enjoyed your favorite game and how a part of that had to do it actually using the physical media. It is for sure a case by case basis. Like in my video I was questioning if it’s worth dragging all these games I never play across the country just to have them with me, when I have the ability to play them already multiple different ways and not enough room to house them in my current location... whereas if I lived down the road from my childhood home and had more space I wouldn’t even question it, I’d just take them along. Punch Out is the ultimate test for lag! So true. You guys did an awesome job on this video and really appreciate how you handled it! So many great points! Cheers fellas 🥂
Thanks so much for getting this topic out there for discussion! I think it is just a great topic and it's really fun and engaging to see where everyone stands on it. In your case, especially the stuff you never play I totally get where you are coming from. We have so many options now that were never around before so it makes it really fun to talk about. Cheers man and thanks again for getting the ball rolling on this!
This is probably the most compelling point I’ve heard about being connected to media and the need for physical items. I still emulate more than the typical collector but you are absolutely right; stuff I owned is the stuff that became my favorite.
Actually, before the price bubble for the retrocollecting , reaching a full set for a particular console was easy and cheap. You used to find them in bulks, it was easy to reach a very big number of games. And if you snag the 80% of all games with little money, you might as well reach 100%. It's like collecting anything: you do because it is what collecting is. Now, with the prices going crazy , it's hard, too expensive and kinda pointless. Stick to your favorites, stick to the ones you still play and sell the rest. If you want complete collections nowadays you better go "digital". More free space in the house.
The other important thing to note here is that streaming services can just delete things on a whim, however owning the DVD means you can continue watching it forever. I find that it's a similar thing when it comes to gaming. I love that I can just plug my retro games in and play them any time, but I hate all the newer "always online" shit that may just disappear one day.
I'm a Punch-Out master and I can't get past Sandman with input lag. It sucks. But I don't have room for my CRT, so I have no choice but to play it on a HDTV. I hear ya there. But I'm old school, so I dig physical media. I have 1,500+ CDs, 1,000+ games and 500+ DVDs and lord knows how many books. I'll never get rid of that stuff. I've always been a collector since a I was a kid, so that'll never change. I'm also not a "shelf collector". I intend on playing everything that I own. Definitely not pointless for me.
Totally man, sames boat for sure! Ahhh Punch-Out is one of my all-time favs! If we ever cross paths at a convention or something I'd love to have a Punch Out session with you for sure. Thanks so much for watching, cheers!
@@GamingOffTheGrid I'm participating in a Punch-Out tournament on Wednesday, but there's no way I'll win because of lag, although the other players may be in the same boat. But I was playing it the other night and it definitely hinders the gameplay. I can't even do the 'ol 1-2 punch on the first Don Flamenco because of lag.
Hoarding is pointless, and that is precisely what 70% of collectors do is hoard. I own around 260 physical games and cherish 90% of them because I played the crap of them all and want to play them all again. Everyone with over 400-500 games MAX in their collection is just silly honestly.
Yes great attitude. 👍 only collect games you will play to death over and over, pass on the ones you don't to someone else. I think most people would probably play if you have time, probably about 80-100 games but it depends on the individual and what they like to play. Like you have 260 games but you really cherish them so you get a tremendous amount of value out of them. I have 40 sega genesis games and play them all so will always hang onto them. Same with things like movies. If the day comes where I don't get enjoyment from them, it's time for a new home.
I agree to a point. What if the people that own 400-500 games (i'm not one of those people btw) play the crap out of those games and want to play them again? Collecting is a very subjective thing and just because it may not make sense to you doesn't mean anything. It's cool if you play a game and sell the ones you don't play. It's also cool if you collect the games and don't play them, that's the choice of the collector. Me, personally, would never want to own hundreds and hundreds of games but that's my choice. Some folks my enjoy having a library of video games instead of books because it looks cool as hell or whatever the reason may be. Some folks may look at you and your collection of 260+ games and think you're hoarding. It doesn't matter. Collect what you want.
Collecting retro games, takes us to our "happy place ".. childhood memories. Etc..and how game consoles have changed over time.. I started collecting end of last year, enjoying it..I have a ps2 ps3 and xbox 360. And watching TH-cam videos about games is just great..
Hell no! I got back into gaming after almost a 20 year hiatus, partially thanks to finding AVGN and buying a Genesis cartridge of Crazybus as a joke gift, and partially from finding my childhood copies of Super Mario Bros/Duck Hunt, Super Mario Bros 3 and Sonic 2. Had those been digital downloads back in the day, they would no longer exist, and I probably wouldn't have been inspired to get back into gaming. My daughter and nieces fell in love with games like Bubble Bobble and Bible Adventures for the NES, Super Mario World, the Genesis/MD Sonic games. Playing the original cartridges with the original controllers (I'll admit, on a Retro-Bit Trio, though they have used an original Sega Genesis Model 1/2 before) was awesome because they're experiencing it just like we did back when it was new. When I first showed my daughter a Game Genie in action, the look of wonder in her 8 year old face took me back to when I was her age. Just that moment was worth every penny I've spent on collecting retro games... and I try to spend as little as possible, even though I buy too much sometimes. I have never paid more for a used game than what new games cost nowadays, in fact, even half of what many games go for now is too high for me, unless it's something that means a lot to me personally. My son is 16 and plays a lot of Xbox One, I got him to play the original Doom on SNES just for shots and giggles. I admitted that the graphics looked like trash, especially compared to the free PC version I played as a teenager, but he had so much fun, he went and got the Xbox One version of Doom 1, 2, 3 and Doom 2016. He works full time, as do I, so I don't get to spend much time with him, but a horribly dated 26 year old game that I bought for like $16 brought us closer... and what's more wholesome than killing demons with your dad?
Awesome memories man, thank a ton for sharing. That's what it's all about. The badass part about retro games is so many of them hold up and are still great/better than a lot of modern shit. Case in point, you got 8 year old daughter hooked on games that are 30+ years old. Why, because the games are perfect and timeless. Collecting is so fun and is an awesome trip down memory lane time and time again. Game hunting will be a bit different for a bit but hopefully things will get back to normal soon. Thanks for stopping by and checking out the channel. We really appreciate it. Cheers!
So, y'all got a new subacriber. I was about to ask if I can smoke a bowl (while drinking a beer) while watching your videos, but then I realized that I've been doing what the fuck I want for over 20 years! Love the ZERO shirt man, I think I wore that for school picture day in 8th grade, represent!
LMFAO!!! You can do whatever the hell you want man! Thanks for the support, we really appreciate it. It's a fuckin grind out here for smaller channels. Cheers to the Pumpkins!!!! The real band too, not the modern reincarnation.
You should pop into a live stream some Sunday evening man. A lot of cool folks from the retro gaming community hang out and chat. You'd fit right in I'm sure of it. We usually go live around 730pm central time. Play games, drinks some beers and just chat. Always some good laughs
Part of ‘gaming off the grid’ is you want to get your desert island game lineup. You only need so many colors in a crayon box to draw, and your game collection should only need a certain spectrum of games. A good rule of thumb is ‘how many games can I take over to a friends house and what would they be.’
You guys are so right, I've said all the same things regarding how media and everything in the world is so available that it seems to dilute the effect a movie or song or game would affect you. I've found myself caught up in that whirlwind and starting to bring myself back down to earth recently. Even with social media and the like it really has changed the way the world is being viewed, not saying whether it is a good thing or a bad thing. It has it's pros and cons, but you can't deny the effect it has had on society.
For sure man! Totally get where you are coming from. It's a tough balance these days and is really easy to get caught up in everything and feel like you are accomplishing nothing. It takes more focus now than ever before. Thanks so much for watching, cheers!
I think the key thing to remember with collecting of any sort, is to ironically forget the value and that you are collecting! I love playing games that I grew up with, but people that barf up 200$ for a game they might not even try just because it is “rare” is pointless. Everything on this planet is borrowed, and if you spend your whole life worrying about cleaning, maintaining, and keeping your value up you will never enjoy anything. Rather play my stained and battered copy of DK 64 that my brothers and I used as kids than even see the box in real life.
Totally agree with you!!! We love our collection but it's fairly lean and only has the games we love. Thanks a ton for watching and weighing in on this topic. Cheers!
Dudes, the craft beer intro almost made me not want to give this video a chance, but your insights into retro collecting really made me think. I'm starting to sell off the games I've acquired that are only shelf fodder and just keeping what I truly love, and this video really helped bolster my decision to do this, so thank you. Subscribed.
Glad you stuck around and enjoyed the video. This is an old one too. Seems like forever ago that we filmed this one. Thanks a ton for watching and the support we really appreciate it. Cheers!
Good stuff guys. I love fighting games and Metroid style games. I grew up in the 80’s. Don’t collect to make money collect to preserve what you can share with your kids and on. I will be 90 playing videos games in a nursing home.
Great topic, guys! I gotta say, I'm always a fan on physical media. Be it games, movies, or music. I will say, it's definitely easier to consume these things digitally, but I find it's more rewarding in the long run to own them physically. If you go the digital route, a lot of the time you have to pay a subscription fee. With physical, one payment and you own it forever. Plus, there's always the risk of a digital game not always being available, like in the case of the Ducktales remake which was recently announced to be removed from the online store.
Thanks a ton! Totally agree. We consume games and media in both forms but find it far from pointless to own the games etc that we really want to enjoy. Such a fun, engaging topic. Cheers!
If you collect for investment only... then be prepared to kiss your money goodbye IF you save everything you ever bought in your life... you're a hoarder. There's also no point in collecting to preserve history... others have done it all already much better than you can. A collection has to be focussed on a small area that you will want to return to often. In general since the 1950s every commercially made item has been saved. I've been collecting things since I was little and at 54... I'm not stopping... but it is pointless. (PS- I have done large purges now and then... so Im not living in a large hoard.)
For sure on the investment piece. Not a good idea at all. We purge a lot as well and give our stuff away to fellow gamers. Always a good feeling. Thanks a ton for watching. Cheers!
The point about Netflix is spot on. You stare at the menu, start something and stop after 5 minutes, it could be the greatest movie ever made. It’s probably why I don’t have a really strong connection to any movie made in the past 10 years. They’re not movies any more, they’re content. Jurassic park was a good reference, I remember waiting patiently for quite a long time for that vhs to be released, then I watched it over and over until it started to wear out. On the other hand of the argument, when I bought my movies and games individually, I would very rarely give a chance to anything I didn’t know that I absolutely wanted, I was paying money for it after all. Now it’s risk free to try something different, whether it’s Netflix or emulation. That’s opened me up to a massive range of games I can’t believe I missed out on. It’s an interesting topic, great video
Thanks a ton for watching and great point. I love how you say they aren't movies anymore.....they are content. There are pros and cons to both for sure. But as you mention it's getting more and more difficult to truly connect with something (movie, album, video game.) Thanks again for watching and dropping an engaging comment. Cheers!
Anyway I’m glad I stumbled across the channel, you deserve a lot more subscribers for the quality of stuff you’re putting out, you’ve got one more now at least ;-)
1. nostalgia glasses. some of my favorite songs I've never owned the album for and have listened to them for MANY years. It's just the earliest way you (we) remember consuming the media. VHS, disc, Cartridge, etc...and it's a way to _almost_ relive your childhood. 2. Hobbies are good, obsessions are strange. I love the idea of collecting games because the rat in my brain likes to remind me how I loved playing my TMNT NES cart. it's a strange phenomenon not exclusive to game collections. People collect all sorts of pointless junk; figurines, beenie babies, etc...heck, gacha games are built on the small endorphins push you get from gaining new characters. People spend small fortunes collecting digital "waifus" in a game that will eventually disappear. It's the thrill of finding/owning something even if you really don't need it. 3. publishers take full advantage of nerd culture with collectibles. creating an obsession is just a way to manipulate a group of people. 4. Belonging to a social group. People like to belong and some people like to connect to others simply by owning a collection. "look at how much I own, we have SO much in common!" If you walked into my house you wouldn't even think of me as a gamer because I don't have such things on display. Collections are an instant way to connect with others. 5. eventual decline into hoarding. there's a fine line, most people keep their "collections" tidy but there are plenty that it's just an unnerving hoard of everything. they always call themselves collectors too.
I've always been very passionate about gaming, art, & film so from a very young age, only being given 2 games per year, I dug deep into the soul of the game or movie I was given, repeatedly playing or watching them. Over the past 30 years this eventually turned into a collection. I have deep memories for each game or movie I was given and purchases I made. I struggle with modern games and movies because there are too many to choose from at your convenience w/ streaming services and game pass. This mixed w/ lack of time and family, I end up going back to my collection and replaying or rewatching what I remember enjoying the most, guaranteed fulfillment. That is a problem and a blessing in itself. Each individual collects for their own purpose, but if you're not happily locked into the soul of the hobby to feed your happiness, it's time to consider moving onto something else.
I was asking myself this same question and I found your video because of it. I was considering selling my game collection and after hearing what you said I remember now why I collect these games. I can't have a beautiful game room like you do but one day I be able to get them out of my closet and on shelves where they belong. So thank you, you really restored my faith in physical media.
Very cool! Glad you found us and we could talk you off the ledge. Even if you just thin your collection and keep the bangers long term you'll be glad you did. Thanks for watching. Cheers!
Guys, I really frikkin enjoyed and can relate to this. To me, as a car guy, it’s like the question of do you want a real Shelby cobra Daytona coupe or a kit car or as a brewer it’s like do you want the northern brew liquid malt version of Toris or do you want to experience the real frikkin thing from malt and hops. I could not agree more, lag and aspect ratio “skew” as I’ll call it messes with your gameplay big frikkin time. Agree emulation has a time and place, but OE hardware and software always has a special place in my heart. It’s the way I remember it and nothing compares to it. And no retro collecting is not pointless, because the originals are what keeps this alive, because as good as an emulation is, its still a copy and a copy is never as good in quality or fidelity as the original. I say this as someone who lost their extensive collection and appreciates the ability to collect rom’s and “collection emulation” carts so my kids can experience more games, but when my pop’s comes to visit I break out the old skool real Tyson’s punch out without lag so he can put on a clinic for my kids like I remember. Mic...dropped. 🍻
Boom!!!! Nothing like putting Tyson on the canvas :)! Emulation for sure has a time and place and sometimes it's hard to beat the convenience. We play video games in all forms for sure. But it's hard to beat the real thing. Cheers man!
I personally don't consider retro video game collecting pointless. But then again, I was born in 1990 and so that was probably the perfect time. My first consoles were the NES and the mighty Genesis. My Dad also knew these dudes that ran a video game store (which is still in business today), and I've known them since I was a baby. I'm also a collector so it's a hobby for me. I also collect movies. You guys remember LaserDisc? I collect those.
We sure do remember Lazer discs. Our good friend Hogan who you may have seen in the Barber Shop episodes collects Lazer Discs. Awesome stuff. They really are fascinating. Also, very awesome that your childhood video store is still open. All the ones we remember have closed :(. Man those were the days. Have an awesome week man, cheers!
Somehow i missed this vid when it dropped, so late to the comments but i had to drop a few lines. Couldnt agree with you guys more about the quality vs convenience thing. I cant imagine an album being released by one of my favorite bands and not wanting to have that physicality of putting something on, sinking back into the couch and digesting that thing whole, in order, at once. I feel absolutely the same about videogames. You're on point boys. Love your work.
This is a question that has been around for years!! Personally I wouldn't say it's pointless, however, it is too expensive. I love collecting and I have been a collectpr of most consoles over the years. However, a few years ago I did sell off the majority of my collection. For me the thrill of finding games in teh wild far out weighed playing them. I then ended up with tons of games on the shelf that never got played. Kind of like teh over saturation on Netflix argument. That combined with the price of the games, I sold them and bought stuff I would play. That said it is the best way to play them no dobt. But weighed up with the price it's a no brainer to emulate. That is why I still buy for Wii and PS2 or 3 as they are cheap as chips and worth playing. (I also buy DVDs for 50p as its much more fun having them) Good topic guys ;)
Great point throughout this comment. We sell off a ton of games too and only keep what we intend on playing. The hunt is a ton of fun :)! Thanks so much for watching and weighing in on this topic. Cheers!
Money Pit was the first movie I ever saw in theaters! Great vid guys. My collection always fluctuates... Sometimes I buy useless games or games I THINK I'll enjoy, only to ditch it later. I now strive to improve my collection, rather than make it grow.
Yeah it took me a week to beat world 8 levels on super Mario 3 on nes classic. Now I can do it more frequent but it was like learning a new game compared to the stock nes
You make some very good points, personally I haven’t watched the channels videos you’ve mentioned. But completely agree when you’ve got too much choice on screen you end up scrolling through games and not playing anything, any game I’ve ever clicked with via flash carts I always try to get the physical copy. I’m sure most collectors are there for 1 the chase 2 investment It’s nice being in a hobby that can sort of pay for itself, but as a whole of course collecting is not pointless, even bad games can be fun with mates
Thanks so much for stopping by, we really appreciate it! Definitely check out those other channels as well, great stuff. Glad you enjoyed. We had a lot of fun discussing this topic and just found it to be super engaging. Cheers!
Dudes, you guys are awesome! You hit the nail on the head! I agree with your opinions on the actual software, cd, vinyl, VHS, ect. There are times I feel overwhelmed with choices. I do want to buy everything so I have it, lol, but I am usually very specific on games I buy, and consoles I buy because I am doing it for nostalgia and experience. I usually will play the games until I beat them. As far as my experience with classics: I really only buy them for my shelf because like you said, it brings to many options. I do like hacking them though. Great topic!
This comes down to personal preference. I may think someone going for a complete set of which they may play 5% of the library is pointless.......but if the collector derives some intangible value seeing games on a shelf, more power to them and who's really to judge. I *personally* collect games that are my personal favorites and/or that I never got around to playing but always wanted to. That is a looooooog list. But buying a game just because it was cheap or to fill out a library is something I stopped doing years ago. I employ a 'quality over quantity' approach.
Totally agree with you. We are pretty much in the same boat. Quality over quantity for sure. Thanks a ton for watching and weighing in on this fun topic. Cheers!
You guys absolutely nailed this topic. Great stuff. I am a physical media guy myself for the most part, especially for gaming. MTPO is the perfect example of how input lag sucks, and is the very reason I picked up a CRT for my old consoles years ago. Cheers 🍻
I have just started collecting I have a few ps1 games, over 60 ps2 games, a ps2 console, and 20 ps3 games and a ps3 console. My reason for collecting is the nostalgia, and I would have to say I'm enjoying playing and collecting..plus it's my happy/ escape place. When I'm playing..so my answer is no it's not a waste of time, the enjoyment of finding a classic game from a gaming shop, or a charity store. Then getting home and playing..i used to have the dreamcast. Many years ago..many regrets selling it .
PS2 and PS3 are great to collect for right now. A lot of low hanging fruit for both of those consoles :)! Thanks for watching and cheers to keeping it retro!
Awesome video guys. I've been a gamer my whole life but I only started actually collecting last year and I've asked myself this question so many times. I think you guys nailed it. I'm never going to have a collection like MJR or John Hancock but that's not what I'm going for. I want the games I loved or wanted so bad but could never have when I was a kid and I want them so I can have fun playing them with my friends. My collection is kind of small but everything in it is a game I love and has sentimental value so none of them are pointless to me. Cheers gents 🍻 the channel is awesome 🤘
Reminds me of what Quentin Tarantino said years ago about Netflix. He said back in the day you would go to the video store and look at the movie, examine the back and make a choice. Nowadays, the causal nature of movie viewing because of Netflix makes it hard to commit to watching anything because of choice.
Very well put and we believe it to be true. My personal experience is that my best movie experiences at home to this day are when I grab a VHS, DVD, or Blu Ray and commit to watching it. No options to scroll etc. Thanks for watching and commenting. Cheers!
Good conversation. Collect and own your favourites is a good guideline. The Evercade is a beautiful way of playing spot on versions. Personally love the minis however and never had issue on input lag on snes mini, turbo mini, genesis mini or neo geo mini.
There is lag but it's not too bad. Punch Out for examples is way more difficult on the NES Mini. But most games don't have much of an issue. Thanks a ton for watching. Cheers!
Going for complete sets or buying more games than you'll ever play isn't pointless. Having a massive game selection is like going to a video rental every single day and having the option of picking something you know and love or possibly discovering something new. Sure you may not ever play everything, but the option is always there. If I want a new experience it's sitting there on my big wall of games. And that's not pointless.
Totally agree. We have only a moderate collection but love playing the actual game. Recreating the actual experience. Cartilages, VHS tapes, vinyls....Boom! Thanks so much for watching and weighing in on this topic, cheers!
@@GamingOffTheGrid Also, I forgot to add that this is without a doubt the best video I've seen on this subject. Tying in netflix with dying once on NES classic and picking a new game was a master stroke. Love it!
Completely agree with having too many options. When I was a kid/teen, I was always trading in games I was done with, and usually only had 5-10 games at a time. This made it far easier to make a choice on what to play. Now there are far too many options, and having a digital collecting IMO makes it worse because you cant get rid of them. On my PC I have a massive Steam Library, as well as some various other games. Boot up my Xbox and I have generations of digital games as well as over 100 free with gold titles. Games on my Switch and 3DS I've never touched as well. Wish I could sell all my digital games even if for pennies just to have a clear library again.
It's a fun topic to think about. It seems so cool to have so many options at your finger tips. But looking back to when I had only 5 NES games to play growing up, probably made me a better gamer. I had know other option but to perfect the games I had. Thanks a ton for watching and dropping a comment. We really appreciate it. Cheers!
Dude love the Money Pit shout out! Might we see Hazer on vinyl? I just put together a retropie this year and it's awesome but I still prefer physical media by far. There is definitely a place for digital and physical media together in my collection.
Absolutely! We enjoy both as well. That's what made this topic so fun. And yes, Money Pit is so damn good lol! That scene gets me every damn time. Cheers man! Hope you have a great week!
A great perspective even if I don’t see eye to eye with certain points. The really cool thing is that we love gaming and other nerdy stuff but all have our own views and perspectives on consuming or collecting it. It’s quite fascinating 😀.
Totally! It's a lot of fun to talk about too and hear others perspective. There's no right or wrong answer really except for on a personal level. Which makes it awesome. And it's awesome how positive the community is that we can just chat about it. Thanks a ton for watching and weighing in. Cheers!
I sold off all my games when I got a raspberry pie... but I had to buy back contra 1 2 and 3 and Mike Tyson punch out because the controls have to be precise..
Awesome video guys!! I agree with all your points and I have a different perspective in that I think it is also important for preserving the physical history of these games. Rescuing them from flea markets, yard sales, thrift stores, etc, cleaning them up and keeping them or finding them a good new home. So keeping the physical alive alone for gaming history purposes makes it not pointless in my view.
Thanks for watching man! Hope all is well. Great point as well. It is definitely a joy bringing something back to life or preserving it for sure. I always get way pumped if I'm able to fix a game or a console that otherwise would have gotten tossed :). Cheers!
Gaming Off The Grid Even a brand new vhs tape on an old school tv still doesn’t look good, but the bigger problem is if the audio goes. My copy of Little Nemo eventually sounded like it was underwater. p.s. I enjoyed your video.
@@hsizzle4502 yeah, fuck those losers. While they don't have internet for a few hours I'M gonna be here playing Metal Gear Solid because I got PHYSICAL games. Digital preservation doesn't work! You're just wasting your time!
Jay leno has a car collection where 1 of his cars cost more than my collection. No one is saying hey, Jay 80 cars? Am I ashamed of my collection no? Why should I be? If the landscape of technology didn't change then people would want a chance to relive vs critique. Why do I collect? because 1 day, I would like to sit back and in my man cave an play fire pro six man on the saturn or try out a recommended game. Nowadays people lack attention span so that plays a part in these recent talks. A lot of collectors are people that grew up in that time period where for the authentic you had to go to the arcade. Coming from Pong we are fascinated by the changes. I was playing Dragons lair on the ds, That was impossible in the 80-90's. I had the Amiga version like 10 floppies. Will I play everything? probably not, but it is there if I want to.
You've got a point about owning your favorite game/movie/show. My favorite show is Gravity Falls, but I never I watched it when it was airing on TV, I bought the complete series on DVD on a whim and fell in love with it as I watched.
Great video dudes. You guys are my new favourite TH-cam channels, making my way through all your videos. Very interesting discussion. I totally agree with what yous said, too much choice on Netflix or even a raspberry pi makes every choice so disposable. Like you’re constantly thinking is this the best thing I should be playing/watching. Like I have so much choice there most be something better. Tarantino made a great point about how in a video store when you choose a movie you’re totally invested in it, like you’ve just payed for it after looking at all the boxes, reading the back, maybe asking the guy behind the counter, is this any good? But also you’re committed to that choice because you only have one night to watch it. So if the first 20 minutes aren’t great you’ll still probably stick with it, rather than just changing your mind like on Netflix etc. Anyway keep up the good work 👍
thank you we appreciate the support. yeah we have a couple streamint services for particular reasons but 98% we watch play and listen to things physical
Is collecting pointless? Honestly in my opinion I don't think so, but I don't look down apon people who don't collect and I'm with them for the most part. I always have a fun time going out and collecting for multiple different reasons, like finding a great deal on a rare game, finding a hidden gem, talking to people is a rush that you don't get from getting games digitally. While I do collect video games, anime, manga and a bunch of stuff I do find the convenience of streaming service, especially for me because I review anime, and some of that stuff isn't even available on DVD or Blu Ray yet and I got nowhere else to go but to stream it (Legally of course). But as I said before the thrill of the hunt and the rush you get is absolutely amazing that you just can't emulate. You guys made some awesome points that I totally agree with! That beer does look delicious, I kinda feel bad that there are some beers that y'all have reviewed that I haven't tried 😔😔 Cheers guys!
We stream and emulate as well which is why we love this topic. A lot of our screen cap is from mini or clone consoles. But when we want really have a full on gaming experience, we play original hardware. Thanks a ton for watching, cheers!
Great episode guys. I wasn't going to make a response on the topic but you've made me think, there are some points people haven't discussed. I think I might have some things to add ;)
Man sealed NES games as of late are a hot item. People get them graded etc. It's cool but not something we are into. We collect what we plan to play. Thanks a ton for watching. Cheers!
Physical media all the way! The only thing that I can have peace with not having physical is music. The fact that I can carry my entire catalog in my pocket is so clutch for me, only because there is music for different situations in life; working out, riding in the car, playing video games, etc. Now video games and movies are a way different story! To me it’s all about preservation. Some movies will NEVER make it to streaming and some video games will just be forgotten on an emulator. I feel like us as retro gamers, have a very small piece of preservation in that regard. Anyways, I have rambled way too much, I love the channel and love you guys! Cheers!
My opinion is that game collections are to played, if you don't play then it is pointless to have a collection. There seem to be too many 'collectors' who hoard games they have no affection for in the hope that they will increase in value. Emulation does have it's place, one of my favourite games is Suikoden on PSone which I had in the 90s. To get that game back would cost me £150 yet I was able to get it on PSN for PS3 for less than £5. Sorry for the long comment, great video guys.
No sorry man, we love the engagement in our comment sections. It makes it fun for us to keep doing this. Totally agree with you on emulation having its place. Most of our screen cap is done through emulation because it is usually easier. Also, when we film off location it's easier as well. Also, the way expensive games are a pain in the nuts for sure. Anyway, thanks for watching and weighing in on this topic. Cheers!
What's up dude! You won the Dig Dug counter Arcade during our 24 hour live stream. Email us at retroffthegrid@gmail.com with your address so we can get it to you. Cheers brotha!
Great video. It’s very true about having the physical game. You just get more out of it. Input lag is horrible, especially on PunchOut and I have to say even the best struggle on emulation.
Game collecting definitely isn’t pointless. I totally agree that physical games make it more special. Retro gaming is getting more expensive and I’ve come to terms with the fact I’ll probably never be able to buy even a fraction of some of the games I want. My concern is, if I just download and emulate all of them, will I still enjoy them as much? I don’t think I will. At the same time I’ve yet to play Cuphead (a game I really want to play) purely because it’s only available digital.....I’m clearly missing out on an awesome coop game experience. I think collecting the games you want to play rather than just filling your shelves with anything is the key.
100% spot on! That's how we collect as well. If we don't play it we sell it. Just sold a mess of Saturn games because we hadn't touched them in this last year. Plus, this way if you grab a game off the shelf you know it's gonna be a good time. Have an awesome week, cheers!
I 100% agree, Having a physical copy lets you enjoy a game more. Game Pass, Emulation, Steam, Flash Carts, Modded consoles are great, but you get information overload. With so many options and choices you get overwhelmed. Then when you finally decide to play a game you don't give it a full chance knowing you have 100's more to try and play. Good Video!
At the end of the day, it's not pointless if you enjoy it. I've been collecting NES games since the late 90's (with a 10+ year break in the middle). I would say in the past year or so it's become much less enjoyable due to all the chaos and speculation in the scene. As a result, I have stopped buying games despite only needing 4 to finish the set. I'm not selling my collection. Just pausing it and waiting out the storm. Once it's fun again, I'll go back to it.
Holy hell that's awesome you are only 4 away. Love your pacing with your collection. It's not a race. It's about the hunt and the journey. Best of luck with completing your set and thanks a ton for watching. Cheers!
To me collecting and gaming is a hobby and people who don’t share that hobby are going to think it’s a waste of time or money or whatever it may be. Like me I hate fishing I think it’s a waste of time and money but should that devalue someone else love for fishing? No it shouldn’t. Also if you have your games put on shelves and organized there is no way that’s hoarding. Hoarding would be if the guy had no game room or place to store the games nicely and everything’s in boxes or spread out all over the place or has a ton of duplicates for no reason. Just do what makes you happy that’s the whole point of living life
To me you guys nailed it on this video. I think retro collecting is not pointless if you're collecting to re live your childhood that's why I've been collecting for cause I remember how fun that game use to be and what I was doing and who was with me at the time I was playing that game like tmnt 2 the arcade game for the nes. My mom got me that game when I was 12 and it was a fun day that day and when I got home my friends came over and we played the heck out of it. Like you said, it's taking it all in and embracing that moment as to why you enjoy that game or movie or music
And super Mario 3 was the only game I could play well back when I was 3 it was my sisters console we had 3 games and it was the only one i was successful and for 2 years i played it alot and never stopped enjoying it. That's probably why it's my favorite
Been seeing this topic a lot too. I for one love retro collecting and dont find it too pointless. I dont go with emulation(except for pokemon games) because i like playing on the og hardware. I didnt play much of nes and snes back in the day. But i got them on ebay and collect games i would find interest in. Even if i have the classic mini consoles.
For sure. Emulation and physical media can co-exist no doubt. But Like you said, collect the games you find interest in. That's how we do it as well. Thanks a ton for watching, cheers!
One game that definitely hits me hard with me having a physical copy, posters, and the CD soundtrack as a kid was Jet Set Radio Future on the original Xbox
Frickin love that game dude. We have the combo version with SEGA GT. I don't think we got a soundtrack with that. Need to look into that and track it down :).
I've retired my Super Nintendo for the time being now that I have a Super Nintendo Classic. It's just more convenient but if I had more room I'd definitely keep it running.
We own the classic consoles as well and love the convenience factor for sure. We do still play the original hardware when we are trying to be really precise in a game though to avoid any input lag. Thanks a ton for watching! Cheers!
Great video guys. I love collecting but I need to thin out my collection. I have too many games that I never play. I will keep all the classics but I have too many maddens and shovel wear to keep. Keep up the great work. Can you do a collection video of your hasbro wwf figures. I have a lot of them as well.
Ohhhhh........now that's an idea :)! No promises but......you got us excited. As far as your collection, we totally understand and that's kinda what we do already. We just want to have the games that our friends and us what to play. Thanks a ton for watching and leaving a comment! Oh and an awesome video collection :)! Cheers!
For me I was never allowed video games growing up ( except the Wii thank you Nintendo) so I'm collecting the consoles and games I missed and wished I had growing up , plus (personal opinion) there's something about having the original physical game , on the original hardware with the original controller that gives it such a special feel that I love
You are spot on. Emulation is great but nothing beats the real thing. I'm weird about that stuff. Like even with movies. I like seeing them they way folks would have when they came out. So '89 Batman.....I prefer VHS. Modern stuff I prefer HD. I can't explain it but like you mention its a feel thing. Cheers to keeping it retro!
@@GamingOffTheGrid yep I'm guessing I make up a newer retro wave , with the main consoles I'm collecting and playing being PS3/Wii/DS etc , lotta games to catch up on and enjoy .... I'm guessing media shelves are not far off 😂
Part of this equation is individual temperament. Real consoles and flash carts work just for me. Why? Because I stick to a simple rule that I can only play one game at a time and not move on until I've finished it. It's freed up tons of shelf space that was previously occupied by hundreds of cartridges, allowed me to devote more disposable income to other pursuits, and given me more time to play and enjoy the games themselves simply because I'm spending zero time hunting/shopping for new ones.
Awesome point. Thanks so much for stopping by as well. We have a couple flash carts that we play on the road a lot and get a lot of enjoyment out of them. It really is a question of personal preference. We really play in all types of formats but definitely prefer the real thing when we can and when we can afford it. Thanks for weighing in on this topic. Cheers!
100% agree with just about everything you guys have said BUT I just can’t get on board with the idea of VHS collecting. 😂. There is something about physical media that people either “get” or don’t. I got into vinyl and CD collecting before game collecting (in still new to retro game collecting honestly). My plan is to only get games I like and plan on playing. I started by getting the consoles, games will come as I go. I’m absolutely loving it so far, just like when I first started getting vinyl, the options were endless and so many good cheap commons that give you satisfaction, only when you first start. Thanks guys!
VHS is so cheap right now which makes it fun :). So cool that you are getting into game collecting. It's so fun for sure. The thrill of the hunt is the best part. Thanks for watching and cheers to keeping it retro!
We are in the same page my friends. You hit the nail on the head. I do zero streaming and only play or watch games and movies I own. Much more satisfying and no surfing the tv to find something only surfing the shelf with 1500 movies and 1500 games. Unfortunately it’s like having Netflix+++ in physical form except I want to play and watch everything because I hand picked em all🤣
As a minimalist Gamer... Yes & no. I consider Retro gaming anything that ain't the current generation lineup. Switch, Xbox One, & PS5 No - If you're buying to collect & not play the game or only care about the value & not the game itself. Yes - If there is no other way to experience it on a newer platform & it's a game you know you'll enjoy. As a minimalist gamer I have certain rules I live by now 1. Too many game, not enough time, & living space 2. Replay Value + has to be a favorite of mine + Single or Multiplayer that I can pick up & put down without an attachment or addiction 3. I avoid MMO like games now days that feel or slowly become a chore everyday 4. I get overwhelmed easily knowing there's games I have currently that I bought & yet to play through. 5. Retro gaming is expensive now. Everyone is suddenly a "Collector / Reseller".
@@GamingOffTheGrid You know, you two really impress me... you have around 3.78K Subs, yet you still have time to deal with the 0.0002645502% of them several times a week (me)! I owe you gentlemen at least a beer a piece (and not the trash I usually drink)!
It's to the point where if I look in my basement, where most of my games are stored , I find myself in a Daze lol . I just end up staring at a long time, in a mix looking at just the value I put in my collection, and with much overwhelmingly energy on what to play lol it's awesome . It gets kind of addicting sometimes which I gotta give myself a break cause I got most of the games I love ( collect mostly just PlayStation games 1 to 5 ) I'm not buying for no reason , but I am trying to see certain genres and series to see if I'm interested in . Just started collecting Vita games for the first time cause I just recently got one . And it's amazing. Wish I would've gotten it long time ago . Just something about having complete physical black or blue label copies on PlayStation, with manuals, reg cards etc just feels satisfying. I'm still collecting and playing and I just can't get enough of it . Kind of wish I had a better set up like shelves and stuff but for now I just wrap games in bags , put in boxes so they stay preserved. Make them last even longer condition wise
yeah people with huge collections i dont know how they do it or pick the games they want to play we keep it to a certain size granted its gotten bigger but is still very manageable for us
I see nothing wrong with emulation. I don't really do it much myself because I like the physical feel. I love popping in a disc or a cart. The thing is though. Retro gaming on real hardware is becoming hard. (Try finding a working turbo CD for less than a PS4) I've had several technical issues out of my consoles in the past year due to age. As much as I hate to say it, us collectors are a dying breed as the average gamer who wants to play a old game can just load it from a PC. As these old systems die less will want to hold onto real hardware.
Totally. We emulate at times too. But something about the physical media is just so awesome. And there are only a few games we feel really strongly about, but some games just don't play perfectly though emulation so you really need the real thing. Thanks so much for watching and commenting. We really appreciate it. Cheers!
I built up a pretty decently sized video game collection over my life by simply never selling the games I bought/received as gifts. What I love about the collection is that it's just the games that mattered to me and I have played every single one of them extensively (with maybe 5-6 exceptions of games I bought for super cheap at used game stores and didn't end up liking much and therefore barely played). I still own all the consoles too!
@@GamingOffTheGrid I am working my way through your back catalogue after recently discovering your channel, great content and much respect for always shouting out smaller TH-camrs, I will be giving you guys a shout out on my channel for sure.... not that I have much of an audience 😅
Very cool man! Thanks a bunch. We spend quite a bit of time looking for content creators who we can help. We are very small in the big picture of You Tube but we like doing anything we can.
I was a Megadrive owner as kid growing up and now I'm only interested in the absolute CORE Essential games for the system that I had and loved, basically the classics - Revenge Of Shinobi, Shadow Dancer, Golden Axe, Streets Of Rage, Strider, Road Rash, and Sonic 1, 2 and 3. I don't really care too much about owning any others.
When I’m feeling extra nihilistic then everything is pointless so you might as well collect everything. But yes gaming over load or choices over load is an issue too. But you’ll also have that if you over collect and have a room filled with games. Personally I haven’t had the problem of what to play it’s more about when to play it.
For sure! The choices thing is maddening for sure. I've had several nights where I play 5 different games and accomplish nothing in any of them. Frustrating. Thanks for watching fellas, hope all is well. Cheers!
I don't anything is pointless if you enjoy it. I love physical games. The experience of setting up a game is something I really enjoy. Retro gaming isn't really retro for me, as I grew up with it. And so having these games is just me collecting entertainment I enjoy. Great episode guys.
Thanks for watching! We really enjoyed this episode as we are really passionate about physical media. We consume all types but damn it's hard to beat the experience of the real thing. Cheers!
I do agree that it's easy to get information overload and not know what to play when I have a large list of games on an emulator, but emulation for Gamecube, Wii, PS2, and PSP has come a long way. PS3 emulation is still a bit dodgy, but most 6th gen and older systems are pretty well covered as far as emulation goes. The Dolphin Emulator in particular is at about 96% compatibility, meaning most games are at least playable with very few issues. Not to mention a lot of these games look better when upscaled using an emulator, and will possibly run better as well with the right hardware. Input lag in emulation is more often caused by inaccurate emulation. The more accurate the emulation, the less input lag there will be, though at least using a low lag controller helps as well. Point is emulation has come further than you think, and I know this because I tend to follow it.
We totally get it for sure. Of course we love collecting physical media. But we also really enjoy emulating. Kinda depends on the game and the era for us. For the NES I really got to be on original hardware because I know the games so well. I can notice even the slightest emulation issue. But we emulate on one of our Dreamcasts with the GDEMU and love it. Got a buddy working on a Game Cube for us as well. So we lean towards physical but also enjoy the land of emulation. Thanks for watching this oldie man :)! Always cool to see old videos get a view or 2. Cheers!
So........What do you think??? Is retro game collecting pointless? Tell us in the comment section below!
I agree physical is better and I've never owned Netflix and hulu my friends have them and it is overwhelming. But saying that growing up I loved the Sega channel which was a catalog service too. That might be the only catalog service I've ever liked
Thanks so much for watching! Cheers to keepin it retro!!! :). Ya stuff on the SNES right now is insane for sure.
Very good point for modern stuff for sure. The modern landscape is really frustrating for all the reasons you mentioned. What's your viewpoint on retro stuff. Do you like getting the old carts and stuff or prefer emulation? We like collecting retro for sure but still emulate sometime for ease of use. Fun topic to discuss for sure. Thanks for watching and leaving a very thoughtful and engaging comment. Cheers!
First off, let me say that the title you attached to this video is controversial enough that it actually pulled me in. I have never seen your videos before so my first thought was that you guys were a couple of hacks trying to downplay retro gaming in favor of emulation. The more apt question to pose would be "Is emulation pointless?" but how many people would that draw in to watch your video and would they watch all the way through?
I believe that emulation is pointless. As you pointed out, you never get the true experience. Another thing you have to ask yourself is this: Which TH-cam video are you more likely to watch......someone showing you shelves and shelves of games or a person scrolling through their list of digital games on the XBOX One or PS4? The latter to me would be a bit anticlimactic. The joy of the hunt is completely gone and the experience of acquiring games is boiled down to the bare minimum. Like you guys, I love to get out there and find a deal. It's a great feeling when you find that game you have been seeking for ages and at a price you can afford. How is a download going to match that? Is the act of acquiring emulations even collecting at all?
@@btread8875 Thanks a ton for stopping by and watching man! Cheers to keeping it authentic and keeping it retro :)!
All hobbies are pointless to grand scheme of life but they are important to the individual. The model car builder, the hiker, the avid movie buff, the constant traveler. Yes some hobbies can benefit people's lives in more positive ways than others but the gist is this. Enjoy what you like to do, we all have hobbies some of us have multiple hobbies. We live and we die that's the only guarantees in life so while we live do the things you love as long as they are legal and healthy.
Well said and great perspective. Cheers!
Cant say it any better! Do what makes you happy as long as possible
Growing up in the 90s, I found all the artworks from game cartridges, boxes and manuals very beautiful. For me, the physical shape, the cart, the label, they are all part of what the game is about. When I go to used games stores, I watch the games and for me, it's like if I'm entering a museum or something. I don't have let's say, Chrono Trigger in box for Snes, or Super Metroid, but when I see them somewhere, there's something very impressive about it. It's like going back in time, exactly like seeing a famous painting in a museum somewhere, like I said. It's part of history.
yeah it definitely is nostalgia built and is like artwork. it just feels better to own the physical form
I personally think it helps keep the history alive. If no one collected retro games it would all be in landfills and no one could show how far we came in each gaming generation. They are good time capsules of the times.
BINGO!!! Plus there are so many good games that still play great that people forget about. Cheers to keeping it retro man!
Collect what you play, you dont have to collect everything. For example I collect 2d fighting games for the ps1/ps2 but I play them.
Great advice for sure. We are in the same boat, we only collect what we play or have the intent to play. This channel takes up a lot of our gaming time lol. Thanks a ton for watching. Cheers!
It's all about playing the games you want to play or always wanted to play. For me it's the memories connected to the games. Street fighter 2 on the sega genesis was the first game I bought with money my Dad have me Everytime I play that game I remember him even though he's no longer here Still Good Times😄😁
Yeah, idk how some ppl own like 10 video game consoles and collect for them. It’s cool but it’s overkill for me. I’m not gonna spend the bankroll to have 1,000+ games. I have a tiny bit of N64 games but probably gonna sell them. I collect physical games for the Switch and PS4. I also have SNES and Sega mini consoles. The mini consoles are enough for me. A lot cheaper than buying a SNES collection. If someone has a massive collection I think it’s badass but It’s too many games for me to play and I don’t want my house looking like a Blockbuster video store 😂
Ah yes. A man of great culture. 🥊
This is my motto . I don’t care about having things I don’t use .
What game chasers were saying is that there is no point in buying games just because its a good deal and you have no plans of playing. Then you end up with games for consoles you may not even own. Now you start taking over a room with old plastic. Like everything in life, moderation.
Great point man and......The Game Chasers are badass dudes fo sho! Thanks for watching. Cheers!
I have been wondering why I have skylanders for Wii u , I have no intention on ever playing with it
@@goodall1bay Sell it. Or are you collecting a set for the Wii U?
I love retro video game collecting and my favorite thing about it is my kids getting a game off the shelf and saying this looks cool and playing it.
What a great subject to talk about! I remember a day where I was out at dinner with the family for somebody's birthday and my uncle was talking about getting a VR set for the families PS4. I chimed in and said that was a good idea. Long story short, the conversation eventually shifted to asking me about the VR set and how I knew so much about it. I told them I was a video game enthusiast and that even though I didn't have a PS4 I liked learning about all kinds of game history and I had 13 other consoles hooked up ready to play. They looked at me kind of funny and asked why I wouldn't just trade in my older consoles to get the newer ones. I'll never forget that question and how it made me feel. I couldn't be angry because I knew they felt differently about games, but it also made me ask myself why I had all those consoles and games. It only took me a minute to answer that question though: because it's a unique experience not only for myself but also for the people I get to share it with. I still own the N64 I grew up with, I own an Xbox that my dad had installed in his old Escalade that he ended up giving to me later on, I played a ton of PS2 and Gamecube at my friends house, and much more. These are all experiences that I get to share with my friends, family and future children just for having all these games and consoles. I know I'm late to the party but thanks for sharing this video with us! Hope you're all doing well and staying safe!
Great perspective. The memories and nostalgia is priceless. And playing retro stuff is a different experience all together. Not saying modern stuff is bad it's just different. My guess is you feel like a badass when you beat a game on N64 or SNES etc. Why? Because those game were tough back them. Many modern games (not all) are more of a cinematic presentation. Entertaining but also not quite as fulfilling to beat. Saying you can be Contra or Mike Tyson's Punch Out is different than saying you beat the RE3 remake. Anywho, I'll quit rambling lol. Thanks a ton for watching. Cheers to keeping it retro!
You guys truly bring up a fantastic angle on this. How you consume media is a really big deal that no one really hammered on. I loved your analogy on how you enjoyed your favorite game and how a part of that had to do it actually using the physical media.
It is for sure a case by case basis. Like in my video I was questioning if it’s worth dragging all these games I never play across the country just to have them with me, when I have the ability to play them already multiple different ways and not enough room to house them in my current location... whereas if I lived down the road from my childhood home and had more space I wouldn’t even question it, I’d just take them along. Punch Out is the ultimate test for lag! So true.
You guys did an awesome job on this video and really appreciate how you handled it! So many great points! Cheers fellas 🥂
Thanks so much for getting this topic out there for discussion! I think it is just a great topic and it's really fun and engaging to see where everyone stands on it. In your case, especially the stuff you never play I totally get where you are coming from. We have so many options now that were never around before so it makes it really fun to talk about. Cheers man and thanks again for getting the ball rolling on this!
This is probably the most compelling point I’ve heard about being connected to media and the need for physical items. I still emulate more than the typical collector but you are absolutely right; stuff I owned is the stuff that became my favorite.
Actually, before the price bubble for the retrocollecting , reaching a full set for a particular console was easy and cheap. You used to find them in bulks, it was easy to reach a very big number of games. And if you snag the 80% of all games with little money, you might as well reach 100%. It's like collecting anything: you do because it is what collecting is.
Now, with the prices going crazy , it's hard, too expensive and kinda pointless. Stick to your favorites, stick to the ones you still play and sell the rest. If you want complete collections nowadays you better go "digital". More free space in the house.
Ahhhh the good ol' days before game collecting was a known thing :). Thanks for watching. Cheers!
The other important thing to note here is that streaming services can just delete things on a whim, however owning the DVD means you can continue watching it forever. I find that it's a similar thing when it comes to gaming. I love that I can just plug my retro games in and play them any time, but I hate all the newer "always online" shit that may just disappear one day.
For sure. We just did an episode in that realm. Thanks a ton for watching and cheers to keeping it retro!
I'm a Punch-Out master and I can't get past Sandman with input lag. It sucks. But I don't have room for my CRT, so I have no choice but to play it on a HDTV. I hear ya there. But I'm old school, so I dig physical media. I have 1,500+ CDs, 1,000+ games and 500+ DVDs and lord knows how many books. I'll never get rid of that stuff. I've always been a collector since a I was a kid, so that'll never change. I'm also not a "shelf collector". I intend on playing everything that I own. Definitely not pointless for me.
Totally man, sames boat for sure! Ahhh Punch-Out is one of my all-time favs! If we ever cross paths at a convention or something I'd love to have a Punch Out session with you for sure. Thanks so much for watching, cheers!
@@GamingOffTheGrid I'm participating in a Punch-Out tournament on Wednesday, but there's no way I'll win because of lag, although the other players may be in the same boat. But I was playing it the other night and it definitely hinders the gameplay. I can't even do the 'ol 1-2 punch on the first Don Flamenco because of lag.
Everything is pointless. Our interests gives pointless stuff meaning.
Hoarding is pointless, and that is precisely what 70% of collectors do is hoard. I own around 260 physical games and cherish 90% of them because I played the crap of them all and want to play them all again. Everyone with over 400-500 games MAX in their collection is just silly honestly.
Definitely. We only collect what we want to play and frequently sell off games if we haven't played them in awhile. Thanks a ton for watching. Cheers!
Yes great attitude. 👍 only collect games you will play to death over and over, pass on the ones you don't to someone else. I think most people would probably play if you have time, probably about 80-100 games but it depends on the individual and what they like to play. Like you have 260 games but you really cherish them so you get a tremendous amount of value out of them. I have 40 sega genesis games and play them all so will always hang onto them. Same with things like movies. If the day comes where I don't get enjoyment from them, it's time for a new home.
I agree unless you have been playing games for like 50 or 60 years and that’s why you have so many games.
I agree to a point. What if the people that own 400-500 games (i'm not one of those people btw) play the crap out of those games and want to play them again? Collecting is a very subjective thing and just because it may not make sense to you doesn't mean anything. It's cool if you play a game and sell the ones you don't play. It's also cool if you collect the games and don't play them, that's the choice of the collector.
Me, personally, would never want to own hundreds and hundreds of games but that's my choice. Some folks my enjoy having a library of video games instead of books because it looks cool as hell or whatever the reason may be. Some folks may look at you and your collection of 260+ games and think you're hoarding. It doesn't matter. Collect what you want.
Collecting really saved me from depression years ago and i met a lot of cool people along the way that are still friends to this day!
thats awesome im glad it helped you out and help build memories
Collecting retro games, takes us to our "happy place ".. childhood memories. Etc..and how game consoles have changed over time.. I started collecting end of last year, enjoying it..I have a ps2 ps3 and xbox 360. And watching TH-cam videos about games is just great..
Absolutely! The nostalgia is where it's at. That's what makes game collecting so fun. Thanks a ton for watching and cheers to keeping it retro!
Hell no!
I got back into gaming after almost a 20 year hiatus, partially thanks to finding AVGN and buying a Genesis cartridge of Crazybus as a joke gift, and partially from finding my childhood copies of Super Mario Bros/Duck Hunt, Super Mario Bros 3 and Sonic 2.
Had those been digital downloads back in the day, they would no longer exist, and I probably wouldn't have been inspired to get back into gaming.
My daughter and nieces fell in love with games like Bubble Bobble and Bible Adventures for the NES, Super Mario World, the Genesis/MD Sonic games. Playing the original cartridges with the original controllers (I'll admit, on a Retro-Bit Trio, though they have used an original Sega Genesis Model 1/2 before) was awesome because they're experiencing it just like we did back when it was new.
When I first showed my daughter a Game Genie in action, the look of wonder in her 8 year old face took me back to when I was her age. Just that moment was worth every penny I've spent on collecting retro games... and I try to spend as little as possible, even though I buy too much sometimes. I have never paid more for a used game than what new games cost nowadays, in fact, even half of what many games go for now is too high for me, unless it's something that means a lot to me personally.
My son is 16 and plays a lot of Xbox One, I got him to play the original Doom on SNES just for shots and giggles. I admitted that the graphics looked like trash, especially compared to the free PC version I played as a teenager, but he had so much fun, he went and got the Xbox One version of Doom 1, 2, 3 and Doom 2016.
He works full time, as do I, so I don't get to spend much time with him, but a horribly dated 26 year old game that I bought for like $16 brought us closer... and what's more wholesome than killing demons with your dad?
Awesome memories man, thank a ton for sharing. That's what it's all about. The badass part about retro games is so many of them hold up and are still great/better than a lot of modern shit. Case in point, you got 8 year old daughter hooked on games that are 30+ years old. Why, because the games are perfect and timeless. Collecting is so fun and is an awesome trip down memory lane time and time again. Game hunting will be a bit different for a bit but hopefully things will get back to normal soon. Thanks for stopping by and checking out the channel. We really appreciate it. Cheers!
So, y'all got a new subacriber.
I was about to ask if I can smoke a bowl (while drinking a beer) while watching your videos, but then I realized that I've been doing what the fuck I want for over 20 years!
Love the ZERO shirt man, I think I wore that for school picture day in 8th grade, represent!
LMFAO!!! You can do whatever the hell you want man! Thanks for the support, we really appreciate it. It's a fuckin grind out here for smaller channels. Cheers to the Pumpkins!!!! The real band too, not the modern reincarnation.
You should pop into a live stream some Sunday evening man. A lot of cool folks from the retro gaming community hang out and chat. You'd fit right in I'm sure of it. We usually go live around 730pm central time. Play games, drinks some beers and just chat. Always some good laughs
@@GamingOffTheGrid I'll be working then, but I can probably at least listen in on my headphones, appreciate the invite!
Part of ‘gaming off the grid’ is you want to get your desert island game lineup. You only need so many colors in a crayon box to draw, and your game collection should only need a certain spectrum of games.
A good rule of thumb is ‘how many games can I take over to a friends house and what would they be.’
we would want to bring too many games with us it would be tough 🍻
You guys are so right, I've said all the same things regarding how media and everything in the world is so available that it seems to dilute the effect a movie or song or game would affect you. I've found myself caught up in that whirlwind and starting to bring myself back down to earth recently. Even with social media and the like it really has changed the way the world is being viewed, not saying whether it is a good thing or a bad thing. It has it's pros and cons, but you can't deny the effect it has had on society.
For sure man! Totally get where you are coming from. It's a tough balance these days and is really easy to get caught up in everything and feel like you are accomplishing nothing. It takes more focus now than ever before. Thanks so much for watching, cheers!
I think the key thing to remember with collecting of any sort, is to ironically forget the value and that you are collecting! I love playing games that I grew up with, but people that barf up 200$ for a game they might not even try just because it is “rare” is pointless. Everything on this planet is borrowed, and if you spend your whole life worrying about cleaning, maintaining, and keeping your value up you will never enjoy anything. Rather play my stained and battered copy of DK 64 that my brothers and I used as kids than even see the box in real life.
Totally agree with you!!! We love our collection but it's fairly lean and only has the games we love. Thanks a ton for watching and weighing in on this topic. Cheers!
Dudes, the craft beer intro almost made me not want to give this video a chance, but your insights into retro collecting really made me think. I'm starting to sell off the games I've acquired that are only shelf fodder and just keeping what I truly love, and this video really helped bolster my decision to do this, so thank you. Subscribed.
Glad you stuck around and enjoyed the video. This is an old one too. Seems like forever ago that we filmed this one. Thanks a ton for watching and the support we really appreciate it. Cheers!
I collect retro games myself, do I think that it's useless to do so? ABSOLUTELY!!! but that doesn't stop it from being fun as all hell
Cheers to keeping it retro! It's such a fun hobby for sure.
Good stuff guys. I love fighting games and Metroid style games. I grew up in the 80’s. Don’t collect to make money collect to preserve what you can share with your kids and on. I will be 90 playing videos games in a nursing home.
LOL! I'm sure we will be too. Age won't be able to kill the gamer in our souls :). Cheers!
Great topic, guys! I gotta say, I'm always a fan on physical media. Be it games, movies, or music. I will say, it's definitely easier to consume these things digitally, but I find it's more rewarding in the long run to own them physically. If you go the digital route, a lot of the time you have to pay a subscription fee. With physical, one payment and you own it forever. Plus, there's always the risk of a digital game not always being available, like in the case of the Ducktales remake which was recently announced to be removed from the online store.
Thanks a ton! Totally agree. We consume games and media in both forms but find it far from pointless to own the games etc that we really want to enjoy. Such a fun, engaging topic. Cheers!
If you collect for investment only... then be prepared to kiss your money goodbye IF you save everything you ever bought in your life... you're a hoarder. There's also no point in collecting to preserve history... others have done it all already much better than you can. A collection has to be focussed on a small area that you will want to return to often. In general since the 1950s every commercially made item has been saved. I've been collecting things since I was little and at 54... I'm not stopping... but it is pointless. (PS- I have done large purges now and then... so Im not living in a large hoard.)
For sure on the investment piece. Not a good idea at all. We purge a lot as well and give our stuff away to fellow gamers. Always a good feeling. Thanks a ton for watching. Cheers!
The point about Netflix is spot on. You stare at the menu, start something and stop after 5 minutes, it could be the greatest movie ever made. It’s probably why I don’t have a really strong connection to any movie made in the past 10 years. They’re not movies any more, they’re content. Jurassic park was a good reference, I remember waiting patiently for quite a long time for that vhs to be released, then I watched it over and over until it started to wear out. On the other hand of the argument, when I bought my movies and games individually, I would very rarely give a chance to anything I didn’t know that I absolutely wanted, I was paying money for it after all. Now it’s risk free to try something different, whether it’s Netflix or emulation. That’s opened me up to a massive range of games I can’t believe I missed out on. It’s an interesting topic, great video
Thanks a ton for watching and great point. I love how you say they aren't movies anymore.....they are content. There are pros and cons to both for sure. But as you mention it's getting more and more difficult to truly connect with something (movie, album, video game.) Thanks again for watching and dropping an engaging comment. Cheers!
Anyway I’m glad I stumbled across the channel, you deserve a lot more subscribers for the quality of stuff you’re putting out, you’ve got one more now at least ;-)
Thanks for your kind words man. We are still fairly new so hopefully it catches on. We really appreciate the support. Cheers!
1. nostalgia glasses. some of my favorite songs I've never owned the album for and have listened to them for MANY years. It's just the earliest way you (we) remember consuming the media. VHS, disc, Cartridge, etc...and it's a way to _almost_ relive your childhood.
2. Hobbies are good, obsessions are strange. I love the idea of collecting games because the rat in my brain likes to remind me how I loved playing my TMNT NES cart. it's a strange phenomenon not exclusive to game collections. People collect all sorts of pointless junk; figurines, beenie babies, etc...heck, gacha games are built on the small endorphins push you get from gaining new characters. People spend small fortunes collecting digital "waifus" in a game that will eventually disappear. It's the thrill of finding/owning something even if you really don't need it.
3. publishers take full advantage of nerd culture with collectibles. creating an obsession is just a way to manipulate a group of people.
4. Belonging to a social group. People like to belong and some people like to connect to others simply by owning a collection. "look at how much I own, we have SO much in common!" If you walked into my house you wouldn't even think of me as a gamer because I don't have such things on display. Collections are an instant way to connect with others.
5. eventual decline into hoarding. there's a fine line, most people keep their "collections" tidy but there are plenty that it's just an unnerving hoard of everything. they always call themselves collectors too.
Very interesting conversation!
Thanks a ton for watching! We really appreciate it. It's a fun discussion for sure and no right answer. Cheers!
I've always been very passionate about gaming, art, & film so from a very young age, only being given 2 games per year, I dug deep into the soul of the game or movie I was given, repeatedly playing or watching them. Over the past 30 years this eventually turned into a collection. I have deep memories for each game or movie I was given and purchases I made. I struggle with modern games and movies because there are too many to choose from at your convenience w/ streaming services and game pass. This mixed w/ lack of time and family, I end up going back to my collection and replaying or rewatching what I remember enjoying the most, guaranteed fulfillment. That is a problem and a blessing in itself. Each individual collects for their own purpose, but if you're not happily locked into the soul of the hobby to feed your happiness, it's time to consider moving onto something else.
that is 100% true its a hobby and you need to do ig the way you feel is right
I was asking myself this same question and I found your video because of it. I was considering selling my game collection and after hearing what you said I remember now why I collect these games. I can't have a beautiful game room like you do but one day I be able to get them out of my closet and on shelves where they belong. So thank you, you really restored my faith in physical media.
Very cool! Glad you found us and we could talk you off the ledge. Even if you just thin your collection and keep the bangers long term you'll be glad you did. Thanks for watching. Cheers!
Guys, I really frikkin enjoyed and can relate to this. To me, as a car guy, it’s like the question of do you want a real Shelby cobra Daytona coupe or a kit car or as a brewer it’s like do you want the northern brew liquid malt version of Toris or do you want to experience the real frikkin thing from malt and hops. I could not agree more, lag and aspect ratio “skew” as I’ll call it messes with your gameplay big frikkin time. Agree emulation has a time and place, but OE hardware and software always has a special place in my heart. It’s the way I remember it and nothing compares to it. And no retro collecting is not pointless, because the originals are what keeps this alive, because as good as an emulation is, its still a copy and a copy is never as good in quality or fidelity as the original. I say this as someone who lost their extensive collection and appreciates the ability to collect rom’s and “collection emulation” carts so my kids can experience more games, but when my pop’s comes to visit I break out the old skool real Tyson’s punch out without lag so he can put on a clinic for my kids like I remember. Mic...dropped. 🍻
Boom!!!! Nothing like putting Tyson on the canvas :)! Emulation for sure has a time and place and sometimes it's hard to beat the convenience. We play video games in all forms for sure. But it's hard to beat the real thing. Cheers man!
I personally don't consider retro video game collecting pointless. But then again, I was born in 1990 and so that was probably the perfect time. My first consoles were the NES and the mighty Genesis. My Dad also knew these dudes that ran a video game store (which is still in business today), and I've known them since I was a baby.
I'm also a collector so it's a hobby for me. I also collect movies. You guys remember LaserDisc? I collect those.
We sure do remember Lazer discs. Our good friend Hogan who you may have seen in the Barber Shop episodes collects Lazer Discs. Awesome stuff. They really are fascinating. Also, very awesome that your childhood video store is still open. All the ones we remember have closed :(. Man those were the days. Have an awesome week man, cheers!
Somehow i missed this vid when it dropped, so late to the comments but i had to drop a few lines. Couldnt agree with you guys more about the quality vs convenience thing. I cant imagine an album being released by one of my favorite bands and not wanting to have that physicality of putting something on, sinking back into the couch and digesting that thing whole, in order, at once. I feel absolutely the same about videogames. You're on point boys. Love your work.
Thanks for watching man! We get pretty passionate about physical media that's for sure :). Cheers!
This is a question that has been around for years!!
Personally I wouldn't say it's pointless, however, it is too expensive.
I love collecting and I have been a collectpr of most consoles over the years. However, a few years ago I did sell off the majority of my collection.
For me the thrill of finding games in teh wild far out weighed playing them. I then ended up with tons of games on the shelf that never got played. Kind of like teh over saturation on Netflix argument. That combined with the price of the games, I sold them and bought stuff I would play.
That said it is the best way to play them no dobt. But weighed up with the price it's a no brainer to emulate.
That is why I still buy for Wii and PS2 or 3 as they are cheap as chips and worth playing. (I also buy DVDs for 50p as its much more fun having them)
Good topic guys ;)
Great point throughout this comment. We sell off a ton of games too and only keep what we intend on playing. The hunt is a ton of fun :)! Thanks so much for watching and weighing in on this topic. Cheers!
I just like seeing them all displayed on shelves as relics of my childhood even if they stopped working I’d keep em.
yeah there is a few select games that we would do the same
Money Pit was the first movie I ever saw in theaters! Great vid guys. My collection always fluctuates... Sometimes I buy useless games or games I THINK I'll enjoy, only to ditch it later. I now strive to improve my collection, rather than make it grow.
we all gone thru that procees before sometimes you live and you learn
Yeah it took me a week to beat world 8 levels on super Mario 3 on nes classic. Now I can do it more frequent but it was like learning a new game compared to the stock nes
Absolutely! The classics are great for casual gaming but when you really want to dial things in it's tough. Cheers!
You make some very good points, personally I haven’t watched the channels videos you’ve mentioned.
But completely agree when you’ve got too much choice on screen you end up scrolling through games and not playing anything, any game I’ve ever clicked with via flash carts I always try to get the physical copy.
I’m sure most collectors are there for
1 the chase
2 investment
It’s nice being in a hobby that can sort of pay for itself, but as a whole of course collecting is not pointless, even bad games can be fun with mates
Thanks so much for stopping by, we really appreciate it! Definitely check out those other channels as well, great stuff. Glad you enjoyed. We had a lot of fun discussing this topic and just found it to be super engaging. Cheers!
Dudes, you guys are awesome! You hit the nail on the head! I agree with your opinions on the actual software, cd, vinyl, VHS, ect. There are times I feel overwhelmed with choices. I do want to buy everything so I have it, lol, but I am usually very specific on games I buy, and consoles I buy because I am doing it for nostalgia and experience. I usually will play the games until I beat them. As far as my experience with classics: I really only buy them for my shelf because like you said, it brings to many options. I do like hacking them though. Great topic!
Thanks a ton for your kind words. We totally agree. This topic was a fun one to talk about and get off our chest. Cheers!
This comes down to personal preference. I may think someone going for a complete set of which they may play 5% of the library is pointless.......but if the collector derives some intangible value seeing games on a shelf, more power to them and who's really to judge. I *personally* collect games that are my personal favorites and/or that I never got around to playing but always wanted to. That is a looooooog list. But buying a game just because it was cheap or to fill out a library is something I stopped doing years ago. I employ a 'quality over quantity' approach.
Totally agree with you. We are pretty much in the same boat. Quality over quantity for sure. Thanks a ton for watching and weighing in on this fun topic. Cheers!
You guys absolutely nailed this topic. Great stuff. I am a physical media guy myself for the most part, especially for gaming. MTPO is the perfect example of how input lag sucks, and is the very reason I picked up a CRT for my old consoles years ago. Cheers 🍻
Thanks a ton for watching! Gotta keep a CRT around even if it's a small one. Thanks for keeping it retro my friend :)! Cheers!
I have just started collecting I have a few ps1 games, over 60 ps2 games, a ps2 console, and 20 ps3 games and a ps3 console. My reason for collecting is the nostalgia, and I would have to say I'm enjoying playing and collecting..plus it's my happy/ escape place. When I'm playing..so my answer is no it's not a waste of time, the enjoyment of finding a classic game from a gaming shop, or a charity store. Then getting home and playing..i used to have the dreamcast. Many years ago..many regrets selling it .
PS2 and PS3 are great to collect for right now. A lot of low hanging fruit for both of those consoles :)! Thanks for watching and cheers to keeping it retro!
This is the first video I’ve seen by you guys. I like the video and the positivity. And y’all bring some good points!
Awesome! Glad you found us. Thanks a ton for watching and cheers!
Awesome video guys. I've been a gamer my whole life but I only started actually collecting last year and I've asked myself this question so many times. I think you guys nailed it. I'm never going to have a collection like MJR or John Hancock but that's not what I'm going for. I want the games I loved or wanted so bad but could never have when I was a kid and I want them so I can have fun playing them with my friends. My collection is kind of small but everything in it is a game I love and has sentimental value so none of them are pointless to me. Cheers gents 🍻
the channel is awesome 🤘
thats the route we go too. we collect what we will play. glad your enjoy the content 🍻
Reminds me of what Quentin Tarantino said years ago about Netflix. He said back in the day you would go to the video store and look at the movie, examine the back and make a choice. Nowadays, the causal nature of movie viewing because of Netflix makes it hard to commit to watching anything because of choice.
Very well put and we believe it to be true. My personal experience is that my best movie experiences at home to this day are when I grab a VHS, DVD, or Blu Ray and commit to watching it. No options to scroll etc. Thanks for watching and commenting. Cheers!
No, it is to many, a great hobby/passion. Many do not like it because it is not their thing. As long as you can still pay your bills, have fun.
Wait.......who's Bill?
Totally agree! This hobby has led us to so many awesome people and friendships that will last a lifetime. Have an awesome week Linda! Cheers!
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Good conversation. Collect and own your favourites is a good guideline. The Evercade is a beautiful way of playing spot on versions. Personally love the minis however and never had issue on input lag on snes mini, turbo mini, genesis mini or neo geo mini.
There is lag but it's not too bad. Punch Out for examples is way more difficult on the NES Mini. But most games don't have much of an issue. Thanks a ton for watching. Cheers!
First video of yours I watched, I'm hooked. Great video!
Awesome man! Glad you enjoy. We have only been at it for a short while but are really loving what we are doing. Cheers!
Going for complete sets or buying more games than you'll ever play isn't pointless. Having a massive game selection is like going to a video rental every single day and having the option of picking something you know and love or possibly discovering something new. Sure you may not ever play everything, but the option is always there. If I want a new experience it's sitting there on my big wall of games. And that's not pointless.
Totally agree. We have only a moderate collection but love playing the actual game. Recreating the actual experience. Cartilages, VHS tapes, vinyls....Boom! Thanks so much for watching and weighing in on this topic, cheers!
@@GamingOffTheGrid Also, I forgot to add that this is without a doubt the best video I've seen on this subject. Tying in netflix with dying once on NES classic and picking a new game was a master stroke. Love it!
Thanks for your kind words! It was a really easy episode for us, it's just how we feel. cheers!
Completely agree with having too many options. When I was a kid/teen, I was always trading in games I was done with, and usually only had 5-10 games at a time. This made it far easier to make a choice on what to play. Now there are far too many options, and having a digital collecting IMO makes it worse because you cant get rid of them. On my PC I have a massive Steam Library, as well as some various other games. Boot up my Xbox and I have generations of digital games as well as over 100 free with gold titles. Games on my Switch and 3DS I've never touched as well. Wish I could sell all my digital games even if for pennies just to have a clear library again.
It's a fun topic to think about. It seems so cool to have so many options at your finger tips. But looking back to when I had only 5 NES games to play growing up, probably made me a better gamer. I had know other option but to perfect the games I had. Thanks a ton for watching and dropping a comment. We really appreciate it. Cheers!
Dude love the Money Pit shout out! Might we see Hazer on vinyl? I just put together a retropie this year and it's awesome but I still prefer physical media by far. There is definitely a place for digital and physical media together in my collection.
Absolutely! We enjoy both as well. That's what made this topic so fun. And yes, Money Pit is so damn good lol! That scene gets me every damn time. Cheers man! Hope you have a great week!
Nice points
Thanks a ton! We are pretty passionate about this topic so it just flowed out of us. Cheers!
A great perspective even if I don’t see eye to eye with certain points. The really cool thing is that we love gaming and other nerdy stuff but all have our own views and perspectives on consuming or collecting it. It’s quite fascinating 😀.
Totally! It's a lot of fun to talk about too and hear others perspective. There's no right or wrong answer really except for on a personal level. Which makes it awesome. And it's awesome how positive the community is that we can just chat about it. Thanks a ton for watching and weighing in. Cheers!
I sold off all my games when I got a raspberry pie... but I had to buy back contra 1 2 and 3 and Mike Tyson punch out because the controls have to be precise..
For sure. Totally agree on owning the originals on those games for sure. Tyson is a bitch w/ emulation lol! Cheers!
Awesome video guys!! I agree with all your points and I have a different perspective in that I think it is also important for preserving the physical history of these games. Rescuing them from flea markets, yard sales, thrift stores, etc, cleaning them up and keeping them or finding them a good new home. So keeping the physical alive alone for gaming history purposes makes it not pointless in my view.
Thanks for watching man! Hope all is well. Great point as well. It is definitely a joy bringing something back to life or preserving it for sure. I always get way pumped if I'm able to fix a game or a console that otherwise would have gotten tossed :). Cheers!
I can’t imagine dealing with the low quality of vhs tapes anymore.
On a good CRT.......it looks pretty damn good. Just saying. On modern TV's we'd agree
Gaming Off The Grid Even a brand new vhs tape on an old school tv still doesn’t look good, but the bigger problem is if the audio goes. My copy of Little Nemo eventually sounded like it was underwater. p.s. I enjoyed your video.
Some people enjoy that old shitty look.
@@Homosapien-ju6dz yall are ignorant, but have fun when your internet goes out because it will and you dont have any physical videos or games. losers
@@hsizzle4502 yeah, fuck those losers. While they don't have internet for a few hours I'M gonna be here playing Metal Gear Solid because I got PHYSICAL games. Digital preservation doesn't work! You're just wasting your time!
Jay leno has a car collection where 1 of his cars cost more than my collection. No one is saying hey, Jay 80 cars? Am I ashamed of my collection no? Why should I be? If the landscape of technology didn't change then people would want a chance to relive vs critique. Why do I collect? because 1 day, I would like to sit back and in my man cave an play fire pro six man on the saturn or try out a recommended game. Nowadays people lack attention span so that plays a part in these recent talks. A lot of collectors are people that grew up in that time period where for the authentic you had to go to the arcade. Coming from Pong we are fascinated by the changes. I was playing Dragons lair on the ds, That was impossible in the 80-90's. I had the Amiga version like 10 floppies. Will I play everything? probably not, but it is there if I want to.
Great points! Thanks for watching and cheers to keeping it retro!
You've got a point about owning your favorite game/movie/show. My favorite show is Gravity Falls, but I never I watched it when it was airing on TV, I bought the complete series on DVD on a whim and fell in love with it as I watched.
yeah we think owning your favorites in any genre games music movies is a good idea and good thing to go to once in awhile
I was sipping a beer and came across you guys. Instant subscribe.
Awesome man! Glad you stumbled across the channel :). Cheers to that!
Great video dudes. You guys are my new favourite TH-cam channels, making my way through all your videos. Very interesting discussion. I totally agree with what yous said, too much choice on Netflix or even a raspberry pi makes every choice so disposable. Like you’re constantly thinking is this the best thing I should be playing/watching. Like I have so much choice there most be something better. Tarantino made a great point about how in a video store when you choose a movie you’re totally invested in it, like you’ve just payed for it after looking at all the boxes, reading the back, maybe asking the guy behind the counter, is this any good? But also you’re committed to that choice because you only have one night to watch it. So if the first 20 minutes aren’t great you’ll still probably stick with it, rather than just changing your mind like on Netflix etc. Anyway keep up the good work 👍
thank you we appreciate the support. yeah we have a couple streamint services for particular reasons but 98% we watch play and listen to things physical
Is collecting pointless? Honestly in my opinion I don't think so, but I don't look down apon people who don't collect and I'm with them for the most part. I always have a fun time going out and collecting for multiple different reasons, like finding a great deal on a rare game, finding a hidden gem, talking to people is a rush that you don't get from getting games digitally. While I do collect video games, anime, manga and a bunch of stuff I do find the convenience of streaming service, especially for me because I review anime, and some of that stuff isn't even available on DVD or Blu Ray yet and I got nowhere else to go but to stream it (Legally of course). But as I said before the thrill of the hunt and the rush you get is absolutely amazing that you just can't emulate. You guys made some awesome points that I totally agree with! That beer does look delicious, I kinda feel bad that there are some beers that y'all have reviewed that I haven't tried 😔😔 Cheers guys!
We stream and emulate as well which is why we love this topic. A lot of our screen cap is from mini or clone consoles. But when we want really have a full on gaming experience, we play original hardware. Thanks a ton for watching, cheers!
Great episode guys. I wasn't going to make a response on the topic but you've made me think, there are some points people haven't discussed. I think I might have some things to add ;)
Let it rip man :)! Thanks so much for watching and would really like hearing your thoughts on this. Cheers!
I've sold sealed new games in the past and never understood what people do with it. I keep old stuff so I can admire the contents and play them
Mean NES
Man sealed NES games as of late are a hot item. People get them graded etc. It's cool but not something we are into. We collect what we plan to play. Thanks a ton for watching. Cheers!
Physical media all the way! The only thing that I can have peace with not having physical is music. The fact that I can carry my entire catalog in my pocket is so clutch for me, only because there is music for different situations in life; working out, riding in the car, playing video games, etc.
Now video games and movies are a way different story! To me it’s all about preservation. Some movies will NEVER make it to streaming and some video games will just be forgotten on an emulator. I feel like us as retro gamers, have a very small piece of preservation in that regard. Anyways, I have rambled way too much, I love the channel and love you guys! Cheers!
Totallly agree! We even prefer music physical but we totally see your point! Cheers!
This is a great video that still holds up and will continue to hold up
Thanks brotha! She’s an oldie :)
My opinion is that game collections are to played, if you don't play then it is pointless to have a collection. There seem to be too many 'collectors' who hoard games they have no affection for in the hope that they will increase in value. Emulation does have it's place, one of my favourite games is Suikoden on PSone which I had in the 90s. To get that game back would cost me £150 yet I was able to get it on PSN for PS3 for less than £5. Sorry for the long comment, great video guys.
No sorry man, we love the engagement in our comment sections. It makes it fun for us to keep doing this. Totally agree with you on emulation having its place. Most of our screen cap is done through emulation because it is usually easier. Also, when we film off location it's easier as well. Also, the way expensive games are a pain in the nuts for sure. Anyway, thanks for watching and weighing in on this topic. Cheers!
One of my favorite all time games is Koudelka. On PS1. I couldn't imagine not playing it on PS1.
Haven't played that one. We'll have to give it a look :). Thanks for the recommendation. Cheers!
What's up dude! You won the Dig Dug counter Arcade during our 24 hour live stream. Email us at retroffthegrid@gmail.com with your address so we can get it to you. Cheers brotha!
Great video. It’s very true about having the physical game. You just get more out of it. Input lag is horrible, especially on PunchOut and I have to say even the best struggle on emulation.
Thanks T! Hope all is well w/ you man! True Punch Out fans know that the struggle is real :). Cheers!
Game collecting definitely isn’t pointless.
I totally agree that physical games make it more special. Retro gaming is getting more expensive and I’ve come to terms with the fact I’ll probably never be able to buy even a fraction of some of the games I want. My concern is, if I just download and emulate all of them, will I still enjoy them as much? I don’t think I will.
At the same time I’ve yet to play Cuphead (a game I really want to play) purely because it’s only available digital.....I’m clearly missing out on an awesome coop game experience.
I think collecting the games you want to play rather than just filling your shelves with anything is the key.
100% spot on! That's how we collect as well. If we don't play it we sell it. Just sold a mess of Saturn games because we hadn't touched them in this last year. Plus, this way if you grab a game off the shelf you know it's gonna be a good time. Have an awesome week, cheers!
I 100% agree, Having a physical copy lets you enjoy a game more. Game Pass, Emulation, Steam, Flash Carts, Modded consoles are great, but you get information overload. With so many options and choices you get overwhelmed. Then when you finally decide to play a game you don't give it a full chance knowing you have 100's more to try and play. Good Video!
Thanks a ton for watching this oldie :). Much appreciated. Cheers!
At the end of the day, it's not pointless if you enjoy it. I've been collecting NES games since the late 90's (with a 10+ year break in the middle). I would say in the past year or so it's become much less enjoyable due to all the chaos and speculation in the scene. As a result, I have stopped buying games despite only needing 4 to finish the set. I'm not selling my collection. Just pausing it and waiting out the storm. Once it's fun again, I'll go back to it.
Holy hell that's awesome you are only 4 away. Love your pacing with your collection. It's not a race. It's about the hunt and the journey. Best of luck with completing your set and thanks a ton for watching. Cheers!
To me collecting and gaming is a hobby and people who don’t share that hobby are going to think it’s a waste of time or money or whatever it may be. Like me I hate fishing I think it’s a waste of time and money but should that devalue someone else love for fishing? No it shouldn’t. Also if you have your games put on shelves and organized there is no way that’s hoarding. Hoarding would be if the guy had no game room or place to store the games nicely and everything’s in boxes or spread out all over the place or has a ton of duplicates for no reason. Just do what makes you happy that’s the whole point of living life
Great points man. These discussion type of topics are always fun because everyone has their own viewpoint. Thanks for watching. Cheers!
Too much choice dilutes the enjoyment. I could be content playing Bad News Baseball, Megaman 2 and Super Mario Bro’s 3 for the rest of time.
For sure. And that is an epic 3 games you picked my friend. Hard to go wrong w/ those. SMB 3 is perfection. Cheers!
To me you guys nailed it on this video. I think retro collecting is not pointless if you're collecting to re live your childhood that's why I've been collecting for cause I remember how fun that game use to be and what I was doing and who was with me at the time I was playing that game like tmnt 2 the arcade game for the nes. My mom got me that game when I was 12 and it was a fun day that day and when I got home my friends came over and we played the heck out of it. Like you said, it's taking it all in and embracing that moment as to why you enjoy that game or movie or music
Thanks man! Awesome story as well. That was the first Turtles game I ever played, so much fun :)! Cheers to an awesome week!
Cheers 🍻
And super Mario 3 was the only game I could play well back when I was 3 it was my sisters console we had 3 games and it was the only one i was successful and for 2 years i played it alot and never stopped enjoying it. That's probably why it's my favorite
One of my favorite games of all time as well, love it!
Been seeing this topic a lot too. I for one love retro collecting and dont find it too pointless. I dont go with emulation(except for pokemon games) because i like playing on the og hardware. I didnt play much of nes and snes back in the day. But i got them on ebay and collect games i would find interest in. Even if i have the classic mini consoles.
For sure. Emulation and physical media can co-exist no doubt. But Like you said, collect the games you find interest in. That's how we do it as well. Thanks a ton for watching, cheers!
One game that definitely hits me hard with me having a physical copy, posters, and the CD soundtrack as a kid was Jet Set Radio Future on the original Xbox
Frickin love that game dude. We have the combo version with SEGA GT. I don't think we got a soundtrack with that. Need to look into that and track it down :).
I got that soundtrack years ago stand alone lol
I've retired my Super Nintendo for the time being now that I have a Super Nintendo Classic. It's just more convenient but if I had more room I'd definitely keep it running.
We own the classic consoles as well and love the convenience factor for sure. We do still play the original hardware when we are trying to be really precise in a game though to avoid any input lag. Thanks a ton for watching! Cheers!
Great video guys. I love collecting but I need to thin out my collection. I have too many games that I never play. I will keep all the classics but I have too many maddens and shovel wear to keep. Keep up the great work. Can you do a collection video of your hasbro wwf figures. I have a lot of them as well.
Ohhhhh........now that's an idea :)! No promises but......you got us excited. As far as your collection, we totally understand and that's kinda what we do already. We just want to have the games that our friends and us what to play. Thanks a ton for watching and leaving a comment! Oh and an awesome video collection :)! Cheers!
For me I was never allowed video games growing up ( except the Wii thank you Nintendo) so I'm collecting the consoles and games I missed and wished I had growing up , plus (personal opinion) there's something about having the original physical game , on the original hardware with the original controller that gives it such a special feel that I love
You are spot on. Emulation is great but nothing beats the real thing. I'm weird about that stuff. Like even with movies. I like seeing them they way folks would have when they came out. So '89 Batman.....I prefer VHS. Modern stuff I prefer HD. I can't explain it but like you mention its a feel thing. Cheers to keeping it retro!
@@GamingOffTheGrid yep I'm guessing I make up a newer retro wave , with the main consoles I'm collecting and playing being PS3/Wii/DS etc , lotta games to catch up on and enjoy .... I'm guessing media shelves are not far off 😂
Part of this equation is individual temperament. Real consoles and flash carts work just for me. Why? Because I stick to a simple rule that I can only play one game at a time and not move on until I've finished it.
It's freed up tons of shelf space that was previously occupied by hundreds of cartridges, allowed me to devote more disposable income to other pursuits, and given me more time to play and enjoy the games themselves simply because I'm spending zero time hunting/shopping for new ones.
Awesome point. Thanks so much for stopping by as well. We have a couple flash carts that we play on the road a lot and get a lot of enjoyment out of them. It really is a question of personal preference. We really play in all types of formats but definitely prefer the real thing when we can and when we can afford it. Thanks for weighing in on this topic. Cheers!
100% agree with just about everything you guys have said BUT I just can’t get on board with the idea of VHS collecting. 😂. There is something about physical media that people either “get” or don’t. I got into vinyl and CD collecting before game collecting (in still new to retro game collecting honestly). My plan is to only get games I like and plan on playing. I started by getting the consoles, games will come as I go. I’m absolutely loving it so far, just like when I first started getting vinyl, the options were endless and so many good cheap commons that give you satisfaction, only when you first start. Thanks guys!
VHS is so cheap right now which makes it fun :). So cool that you are getting into game collecting. It's so fun for sure. The thrill of the hunt is the best part. Thanks for watching and cheers to keeping it retro!
We are in the same page my friends. You hit the nail on the head. I do zero streaming and only play or watch games and movies I own. Much more satisfying and no surfing the tv to find something only surfing the shelf with 1500 movies and 1500 games. Unfortunately it’s like having Netflix+++ in physical form except I want to play and watch everything because I hand picked em all🤣
Its just more satisfying to us to go grab a movie or music and put it in and play it! Cheers!
As a minimalist Gamer... Yes & no.
I consider Retro gaming anything that ain't the current generation lineup. Switch, Xbox One, & PS5
No - If you're buying to collect & not play the game or only care about the value & not the game itself.
Yes - If there is no other way to experience it on a newer platform & it's a game you know you'll enjoy.
As a minimalist gamer I have certain rules I live by now
1. Too many game, not enough time, & living space
2. Replay Value + has to be a favorite of mine + Single or Multiplayer that I can pick up & put down without an attachment or addiction
3. I avoid MMO like games now days that feel or slowly become a chore everyday
4. I get overwhelmed easily knowing there's games I have currently that I bought & yet to play through.
5. Retro gaming is expensive now. Everyone is suddenly a "Collector / Reseller".
I just got an NES Fout Score.
Then I realized that I don't even own any 4 player NES games. 🙄
LOL! Well it is a very cool accessory so we don't blame you :). Cheers!
@@GamingOffTheGrid It was in the original box, how could I not? 😆
@@GamingOffTheGrid You know, you two really impress me... you have around 3.78K Subs, yet you still have time to deal with the 0.0002645502% of them several times a week (me)!
I owe you gentlemen at least a beer a piece (and not the trash I usually drink)!
WoW guys this is a interesting video with many points that I agree with and I would love to dive into this as well so a video may have to be made!
Heck yes! Let it rip man. Would love to hear your take on this. Cheers!
It's to the point where if I look in my basement, where most of my games are stored , I find myself in a Daze lol . I just end up staring at a long time, in a mix looking at just the value I put in my collection, and with much overwhelmingly energy on what to play lol it's awesome . It gets kind of addicting sometimes which I gotta give myself a break cause I got most of the games I love ( collect mostly just PlayStation games 1 to 5 ) I'm not buying for no reason , but I am trying to see certain genres and series to see if I'm interested in . Just started collecting Vita games for the first time cause I just recently got one . And it's amazing. Wish I would've gotten it long time ago . Just something about having complete physical black or blue label copies on PlayStation, with manuals, reg cards etc just feels satisfying. I'm still collecting and playing and I just can't get enough of it . Kind of wish I had a better set up like shelves and stuff but for now I just wrap games in bags , put in boxes so they stay preserved. Make them last even longer condition wise
yeah people with huge collections i dont know how they do it or pick the games they want to play we keep it to a certain size granted its gotten bigger but is still very manageable for us
I see nothing wrong with emulation. I don't really do it much myself because I like the physical feel. I love popping in a disc or a cart. The thing is though. Retro gaming on real hardware is becoming hard. (Try finding a working turbo CD for less than a PS4) I've had several technical issues out of my consoles in the past year due to age. As much as I hate to say it, us collectors are a dying breed as the average gamer who wants to play a old game can just load it from a PC. As these old systems die less will want to hold onto real hardware.
Totally. We emulate at times too. But something about the physical media is just so awesome. And there are only a few games we feel really strongly about, but some games just don't play perfectly though emulation so you really need the real thing. Thanks so much for watching and commenting. We really appreciate it. Cheers!
I built up a pretty decently sized video game collection over my life by simply never selling the games I bought/received as gifts. What I love about the collection is that it's just the games that mattered to me and I have played every single one of them extensively (with maybe 5-6 exceptions of games I bought for super cheap at used game stores and didn't end up liking much and therefore barely played). I still own all the consoles too!
yeah i wish i would of done that too. kept some but not all. we just keep the games thst matter to use also 🍻
Wait, was there ever a question that game collecting wasn't a complete waste of money?
no this was more of a discussion video if it is or isnt
You guys fkin nailed it! Great video.
Thanks! This is an oldie but a goodie :). Cheers!
I'll be doing a reply video to this in the next week or so!
Looking forward to it man. Bell is on so we don't miss it :). Cheers!
Great video, a fresh a well executed perspective on the debate, bravo gents 👏
Thanks man! This is a rather old video. Nice to see it being viewed still :). Cheers!
@@GamingOffTheGrid I am working my way through your back catalogue after recently discovering your channel, great content and much respect for always shouting out smaller TH-camrs, I will be giving you guys a shout out on my channel for sure.... not that I have much of an audience 😅
Very cool man! Thanks a bunch. We spend quite a bit of time looking for content creators who we can help. We are very small in the big picture of You Tube but we like doing anything we can.
I was a Megadrive owner as kid growing up and now I'm only interested in the absolute CORE Essential games for the system that I had and loved, basically the classics - Revenge Of Shinobi, Shadow Dancer, Golden Axe, Streets Of Rage, Strider, Road Rash, and Sonic 1, 2 and 3. I don't really care too much about owning any others.
thats alwaya a good way to go. collect just what makes you happy no reason to buy games that will collect dust
When I’m feeling extra nihilistic then everything is pointless so you might as well collect everything. But yes gaming over load or choices over load is an issue too. But you’ll also have that if you over collect and have a room filled with games. Personally I haven’t had the problem of what to play it’s more about when to play it.
For sure! The choices thing is maddening for sure. I've had several nights where I play 5 different games and accomplish nothing in any of them. Frustrating. Thanks for watching fellas, hope all is well. Cheers!
I don't anything is pointless if you enjoy it. I love physical games. The experience of setting up a game is something I really enjoy. Retro gaming isn't really retro for me, as I grew up with it. And so having these games is just me collecting entertainment I enjoy. Great episode guys.
Thanks for watching! We really enjoyed this episode as we are really passionate about physical media. We consume all types but damn it's hard to beat the experience of the real thing. Cheers!
I do agree that it's easy to get information overload and not know what to play when I have a large list of games on an emulator, but emulation for Gamecube, Wii, PS2, and PSP has come a long way. PS3 emulation is still a bit dodgy, but most 6th gen and older systems are pretty well covered as far as emulation goes. The Dolphin Emulator in particular is at about 96% compatibility, meaning most games are at least playable with very few issues. Not to mention a lot of these games look better when upscaled using an emulator, and will possibly run better as well with the right hardware. Input lag in emulation is more often caused by inaccurate emulation. The more accurate the emulation, the less input lag there will be, though at least using a low lag controller helps as well. Point is emulation has come further than you think, and I know this because I tend to follow it.
We totally get it for sure. Of course we love collecting physical media. But we also really enjoy emulating. Kinda depends on the game and the era for us. For the NES I really got to be on original hardware because I know the games so well. I can notice even the slightest emulation issue. But we emulate on one of our Dreamcasts with the GDEMU and love it. Got a buddy working on a Game Cube for us as well. So we lean towards physical but also enjoy the land of emulation. Thanks for watching this oldie man :)! Always cool to see old videos get a view or 2. Cheers!
Hardly ever subscribe to anything on TH-cam! Genuine AF. Appreciate your takes.
Thanks! We appreciate it so much!
I'm at the same spot where I just want the top x games on each system so when someone asks about diddy kong racing I'm like yup let's play it.
we love that game we play mario kart more its nice to put in once in awhile