I think what happened with bonds is he tried to teach in the way that worked for him while failing to realize that zero other baseball players are barry bonds
Honestly being a hitting coach seems so hard because so much of it is what’s going on between the ears, a lot of the time the problems come from things the players don’t even realize they’re thinking about
The thing is this is makes perfect sense with Barry as a player, there are tons of stories of people who played with him talking about how he would just get up from taking a nap to go out and play with no prep work and then he would just crush, bonds understands hitting on an insanely deep level but it came so natural to him I would understand having trouble communicating it; that plus how he famously has had commitment issues and it doesn’t shock me how he couldn’t make it as a coach
He was also injecting everything under the sun. Stop pretending he was some end of the world player before he juiced himself to death. Hall of famer ? Yes? But not some god
I think a big struggle could be that Barry seems to be a tactile learner. So he learns things by doing. Which can help those types of people learn something but it also makes it hard to put into words how something is done. We’ve all dealt with teachers who are brilliant and well meaning but just struggle to teach the subject to other people
This video doesn't even scratch the surface of Barry Bonds' Marlins tenure. The stories David Samson has told on his podcast about Bonds are very entertaining and illustrate the ridiculous disfunction that had permeated the late-era Loria-owned Marlins (which would end up looking competently well-run compared to Jeter's era). That being said, in addition to Yelich, Marcell Ozuna also credits Bonds with turning him into a better hitter. He told one of the Braves radio broadcasters that he still thinks about how Bonds told him to visualize at bats, seeing pitches and knowing what he is going to do with those pitches before he sees them. He said that being able to keep that approach all year has allowed him to put up near-Triple Crown numbers in 2024, unlike in other seasons where he was chasing. Also, to give Ted Williams some credit, while he was not a good manager because he had no respect for pitchers (including the ones he managed), he was a great hitting coach. He turned Frank Howard, a free-swinging slugger, into one of baseball's best and most-feared hitters. If Howard had gotten Williams' coaching a couple of seasons earlier into his career, Hondo would have a plaque in Cooperstown.
It was probably a case of young players learning the lesson of 'you have to lose a little to gain a little '. Barry tried tweaking whatever mechanical flaws he saw, and that required these guys adjusting their fundamental approaches that coaches from little league, high school, college, and minor leagues had them neurologically ingrained into their minds. It's no different than what Nolan Ryan did for Randy Johnson. "Land on the balls of your foot instead of your heel." Big Unit was lucky to have his body adjust quickly and have success almost immediately. Most would naturally take one or two years before their body finally comes around and starts showing results. These Marlins players' bodies finally did just that. Perhaps no longer having such an intimidating presence of a player of his stature there anymore helped them calm down the ensuing year or two.
@@netrade3898whoa. I never considered that last point you made. That could have been a HUGE part of it. As much as I don't like him, he's still Barry Bonds. He'd make anybody nervous at the plate if they knew he was watching.
David Samson is a slimy crook who altered radar guns, bought seats to bump the attendance numbers, etc. He’s also a hilariously insecure little man with a God complex, not a guy to listen to for long.
Ted Williams was a good coach. But Joe DiMaggio and Rogers Hornsby weren't. It's hard to be humble enough to put yourself in a struggling rookie's shoes when you just know good results come from hard work.
It seems superstars psychologically expect the same high performance from mostly marginal players who just don't have the God-given talent that only very few have.
Yelich said and this was this year that he enjoyed having Barry as a hitting coach. He learned a lot and it was a positive invaluable experience. He still uses the hitting the ball off the plate from the tee and incrementally moving back everytime he hits the ball off the plate drill. It's the most effective swing path drill he's ever done. A hitting coach is consequential in the minors. Barry Bonds being a hitting coach is essentially a move to potentially increase confidence. It's not a smart one because of the flip side being potentially less confidence and too much information because ignoring Barry Bonds is unjustifiable. Hes far and away the best hitter to ever live and he was before the second growth spurt. Of course hes not a good coach. It has to get boring when nobody can be taught to do what he could just do. His discipline was the closest thing to a super power ive ever seen any human being have. It was absolute and is still far superior to everyone else's.
@@21DaHoagie12 all it takes to be a master engineer is to have a masters degree in engineering. Something like 1 out of 4 people who get engineering degrees get masters degrees in it. It’s not like he said his dad was a spy.
In golf, you always get worse initially when trying to make fundamental swing changes. It can easily take a year to see the improvement. Could it be similar in baseball? I do find it interesting that bonds coached 5 players that became highly productive a year later. Not saying bonds made them great, but also not completely irrelevant. I do wonder just a little.
Honestly this entire Marlins season was kind of strange and it shocks me that a lot of those weird 2010’s Marlins things happen to line up with is season
I went to the Mets Marlins July 4th game at Citi Field sitting behind the 3rd base dugout. Bonds was more focused on chatting with the fans and answering questions the entire game. It was awesome chatting with Barry, but you can tell that it was all about him and not his team.
When I was coaching at an academy, the biggest thing I would do to keep hitters focused, is have them say a color as the pitch was coming. It sounds counterintuitive, but it actually frees up everything on the mind during the at-bat. Hitting slumps don't occur because someone's fundamentals are broken it is, in 99% of cases, a mentla issue.
Can't blame Barry for everything. Was setup to fail working under Mattingly. Mattingly has tons of talent everywhere he goes and never wins anything. Also him saying he never wanted Bonds and leaking the ultimatum shows everything you need to know imo.
I loved Mattingly as a player growing up. I've also never heard a bad word about him as a person. Even in his prime as a player he was super humble. But he's a shitty manager.
He’s been politicking for Schneider’s job in Toronto. Schneider I can’t judge as a manager because the decisions are made for him by Loss Shatkins. Whit Merrifield outed him after the 2023 loss to the Twins for being meddlesome and not letting Schneider manage or make any meaningful decision. Every rotten decision (especially Berrios being pulled because Muh Analytics and Spreadsheets corporate crap) the team has made since 2016 falls squarely on Mark Shitpilo and Loss Shatkins, the new Cleveland Clowns franchise.
Wow. You look at the Mariners and their hitting and think that Edgar is somehow a great coach? What about Teoscar Hernandez and Eugenio Suarez, who are both doing better on other teams this year? What about that .218 team BA and .306 OBP?
@@bengunnels1749 He was their hitting coach from 2015 through 2018. He's been an "advisor" since then. Those years weren't great. Seattle was near the bottom of the league for most of them. But you're right that we can't blame Edgar for Seattle being incapable of getting good seasons out of Hernandez and Suarez.
@simpleanswer8954 both have literally nothing to do with edgar. Also, just because 2 players were able to play better once on another team doesn't mean shit. Why not name all the ones who stayed the same or played worse?
@simpleanswer8954 what are you talking about? You apparently didn't look at team averages during that time. They didn't make the playoffs and had some issues pitching wise but with almost every metric the Mariners hitting was way above league average.
I think I remember hearing that George Brett had a similar experience trying to teach players how to hit. He couldn't comprehend that the average MLB player is not George Brett and can't just do the things he did.
Great video. I’ve often wondered why typically it seems it’s usually the mediocre, role or bench players that succeed in coaching and managing. One theory I have is that they had to really pay more attention to the game as a whole as the little details are more important. Not that stars don’t work hard. The fringe guys probably go through the troubleshooting processes more often and find more things that work and don’t. Maybe?
People don't seem to grasp that playing well doesn't mean you can teach well. There is no correlation but people make it all the time. A great salesman doesn't mean he will be a great sales manager or a great car mechanic can run the garage. Just different skills. This fallacy is rampant. Does a great student make a great teacher? They might know the subject matter, but none of that matters if they can't convey it to the student.
It is the same for professional PGA Tour players who might try to teach. Some are so talented they really don’t understand what they do or how to teach it to players who are not as talented.
Sometimes results don’t come right away. Who are we to say that some of the success these players found the following years was due to Bonds’s teaching. I’d rather hear from the players and they have nothing but positive words.
As a loyal Giants fan and Bonds apologist I completely disagree with the idea that this was Barry’s fault. How hard is it for the players to bow every time he walks by and avoid eye contact?! Their ego is what screwed them over not 25
He helped out a good amount actually, notice how good the players were the year after he arrived as opposed to when he first showed up? Just took some time to implement it. Barry wins again.
1:53 I meannnn. Wayne Gretzky was a genuinely terrible nhl head coach. Martin Brodeur is widely considered a terrible source of goalie advice. All time players being bad coaches isn’t as uncommon as you’d probably think
You're the only other person who mentioned Gretz, he's a PRIME example. Can't teach supernatural ability, and Gretz just... moved, thought, and reacted faster than everyone else.
I think Jerry West might be one of the very few who was both a great player and a great executive. Being a great player and being able to build teams are two totally different skill sets, and someone possessing both is extremely rare.
Ted Williams didn’t really offer much hitting expertise to the Washington Senators when he took over as manager. He basically told the players swing at a strike you like, see the ball-hit the ball.
There's a reason great players don't become coaches- a lot of times they just have a natural ability and they don't even know why they're so good- the guys that had to grind to stay in the league often are the ones that make the best coaches
Ted Williams tried to tell Mickey Mantle how to hit, and Mantle struggled after that all star break. Also Ted Williams managed the Washington Senators. I forgot how he did, but I bet it wasn't memorable.
Isn’t it like a really common adage that great hitters tend to make the worst hitting coaches because they try to make everyone hit like they did? Rather than working with individual players in order to find what works best for each person?
Ozuna also started in cf for the nl all star game in 2016. Yelich won a silver slugger his ops in 2016 is his 4th best, the 3 above all being 900+. Martin Prado's best year with the marlins was 2016. Derek Dietrich off the bench had an .798 ops and ichiro only hit .250 + with the marlins in 2016 and he it .291. This video kind of seems like a hit piece for a team that only had 2 starters with an ERA under 4. But nice production
was it though? Look at the Peaks of Yelich, Ozuna and Stanton after the season they had with him and the changes they made in approach and swings. All 3 of those guys specifically gave him credit despite his short comings
Barry Bonds is yet another example of "amazing athlete does not mean amazing teacher or coach." It's like Michael Jordan going from amazing player to less-than-amazing executive. Being great at your sport often comes from a certain innate talent and skill that is simply not really possible to teach or even explain.
Ted Williams stepped down because he didn’t want to manage in Texas, not because he wasn’t good enough or that the team didn’t show visible improvement.
I can only imagine Barry Bonds failed as a hitting coach for the same reason Jordan would fail as a coach. “Just take off from the free throw line, glide thru the air, and flush the ball in the basket”…hard to teach god-given talent 😂
Bonds was fine as a coach. 1 year ? Almost no one is great in their first year at something. Cavs coach in 2016 for example. But basically anything in life, few are great in one year at something. I bet bonds helped them all.
When things come easily to a player those are the worst coaches because in a way the don’t know how they did it. It’s like asking Ronnie Coleman “hey what did you do to get so big?” And he says “uh idk I just did some bicep curls and some squats and I ate a lot” Failing to realize that his genetics are a big part as to why he got so big so his plan may not necessarily be the one for you. A lot of GREAT players don’t know how they do it it just comes naturally to them another example is a rod you ask him how do you swing? he kept preaching “oh knob to ball” when he completely did something different he can’t explain his swing
IS it really surprising?!? The man has been described as a malcontent since his days at Arizona State. It was foolish for the Marlins to get him, especially since they knew his personality traits.
Even before the steroids it was well known Bonds was the better overall player. You realize he was super great in Pittsburgh and was winning mvps back then? Bonds isn’t in the hall of fame because he pissed everyone off when he played.
What'll happen whenever we find out all these stars are made? Mark McGwire, Barry Bonds, and Sammy Sosa all had terrible eye sight. McGwire was legally blind in his left eye... Yet had the best depth perception in the league?
Still the GOAT! 🤣 Most Feared hitter ever! Pitchers Refused to pitch to him and would just Intentionally WALK him because he would just swat it out the park, hands down the greatest MLB Player ever. Who cares if he couldnt teach a trash Marlins roster to hit.
Not a 5 tool player because he never had a good arm. It's speed, defence, power, contact, arm. Funnily enough discipline isn't one of the 5 tools. Shows that term was invented in the era of RBI not OBP.
It isn't uncommon for guys who excelled to struggle in coaching. Of course, there are exceptions such as McGwire's tenure with the Cardinals as a hitting coach.
This happens in sports often. The best players wind up being the worst coaches/managers. Its because the best players see and understand the game much differently and its hard for the average player to grasp. Another perfect example was Magic Johnson. He was a horrible Lakers head coach.
They could have got better because what bonds was teaching takes time and it's like a president that inherits a good situation because of the work of the last president. It would be good to see what the players think was the case
I've always kind of felt for Bonds. He was amazing, a candidate for the baseball GOAT. Being an arrogant asshole can't take away from that. He saw others using steroids leading them to outdo him in one area of play that happens to be the one that fans and the media focus on most, far beyond its actual importance in play. He pointed this out and complained and wanted the cheating dealt with so he could show he was better than those players if the playing field was level. This didn't happen. Doing steroids seems a fair response to the situation he found himself in. If they weren't gonna enforce the rules, why follow them? Being a huge asshole was his fault, but the steroids was a result of tons of people in power looking the other way. He definitely deserves to be in Cooperstown and it's a shame that he's been punished for a systemic failure that probably was a result of the powers that be liking the ratings and ticket sales the steroid era brought.
I have no choice but to respect his numbers,but as a former baseball card dealer,looking at his frame on his 87 Topps card doesn't look anything like what his last card looked like,a completely different person
Well, it’s not like he’s telling lies about anything and it’s quite consistent with how Bonds behaved as a player as well, he would hardly be the first great player that didn’t translate into a great coach or executive. Frankly, I don’t see anything all that controversial here that’s who Bonds always been.
@@neneshubby it’s not really about whether or not the video was factually correct. I just think the negatives are being overly dramatized and the many players who have come out saying bonds helped them was glossed over like nothing. Also, anything David Sampson says should be taken with a grain of salt. Dude is a 🤡
@@akaDOOD Well, I don’t think he’s any more harsh than the media was on Bonds when he played and Bonds doesn’t exactly help himself with his behavior so some of this is on him and as far as David Sampson all I can say is you’re the one watching his videos, he’s not watching yours.
Ever notice how all the great coaches/managers in sports were either decent at best starters, career backups or never made the pros? The greats have a terrible time translating how they succeed onto others. Because well…99% are no where near as good as they were.
Lots of great hitters are bad coaches. Many great coaches and managers were never great players. I was always curious/surprised that Bonds even had an interest in a coaching gig. He always seemed to anti-social. I wondered if this was some way to start changing his reputation. But I never saw him as one who cared about his reputation.
Usually like these videos but it’s wild you attribute any down stat to bonds being the coach, or uptick the following year to bonds being gone, but the guys who did have better years it’s not actually because of bonds. Then you act like some of these players weren’t super young and still developing. Guys could have also kept using things he taught them moving forward and it clicked. Just a crazy conclusion to come to at every turn lmao feels lazy when I do usually like the channel
The guy in Milwaukee who played for the Marlins said he helped him tremendously. There’s videos on it. He’s not personable and is hard to work with but this is lies.
I think what happened with bonds is he tried to teach in the way that worked for him while failing to realize that zero other baseball players are barry bonds
Yep! Stubbornness and arrogance don’t make a good coach
Honestly being a hitting coach seems so hard because so much of it is what’s going on between the ears, a lot of the time the problems come from things the players don’t even realize they’re thinking about
That makes perfect sense and also explains why relatively few great players make good coaches or front office personnel.
Depending on how far he took that, the team might be getting tested very, very regularly for the juice
- Biggest Bonds fan around
@@Skinnyd4 I can't think of another great to be a successful coach/GM off the top of my head other than Larry Bird or Zidane.
The thing is this is makes perfect sense with Barry as a player, there are tons of stories of people who played with him talking about how he would just get up from taking a nap to go out and play with no prep work and then he would just crush, bonds understands hitting on an insanely deep level but it came so natural to him I would understand having trouble communicating it; that plus how he famously has had commitment issues and it doesn’t shock me how he couldn’t make it as a coach
He was also injecting everything under the sun. Stop pretending he was some end of the world player before he juiced himself to death. Hall of famer ? Yes? But not some god
I think a big struggle could be that Barry seems to be a tactile learner. So he learns things by doing. Which can help those types of people learn something but it also makes it hard to put into words how something is done. We’ve all dealt with teachers who are brilliant and well meaning but just struggle to teach the subject to other people
This video doesn't even scratch the surface of Barry Bonds' Marlins tenure. The stories David Samson has told on his podcast about Bonds are very entertaining and illustrate the ridiculous disfunction that had permeated the late-era Loria-owned Marlins (which would end up looking competently well-run compared to Jeter's era). That being said, in addition to Yelich, Marcell Ozuna also credits Bonds with turning him into a better hitter. He told one of the Braves radio broadcasters that he still thinks about how Bonds told him to visualize at bats, seeing pitches and knowing what he is going to do with those pitches before he sees them. He said that being able to keep that approach all year has allowed him to put up near-Triple Crown numbers in 2024, unlike in other seasons where he was chasing.
Also, to give Ted Williams some credit, while he was not a good manager because he had no respect for pitchers (including the ones he managed), he was a great hitting coach. He turned Frank Howard, a free-swinging slugger, into one of baseball's best and most-feared hitters. If Howard had gotten Williams' coaching a couple of seasons earlier into his career, Hondo would have a plaque in Cooperstown.
It was probably a case of young players learning the lesson of 'you have to lose a little to gain a little '. Barry tried tweaking whatever mechanical flaws he saw, and that required these guys adjusting their fundamental approaches that coaches from little league, high school, college, and minor leagues had them neurologically ingrained into their minds. It's no different than what Nolan Ryan did for Randy Johnson. "Land on the balls of your foot instead of your heel." Big Unit was lucky to have his body adjust quickly and have success almost immediately. Most would naturally take one or two years before their body finally comes around and starts showing results.
These Marlins players' bodies finally did just that. Perhaps no longer having such an intimidating presence of a player of his stature there anymore helped them calm down the ensuing year or two.
@@netrade3898whoa. I never considered that last point you made. That could have been a HUGE part of it. As much as I don't like him, he's still Barry Bonds. He'd make anybody nervous at the plate if they knew he was watching.
bonds saved ozunas career
David Samson is a slimy crook who altered radar guns, bought seats to bump the attendance numbers, etc. He’s also a hilariously insecure little man with a God complex, not a guy to listen to for long.
Before David Sampson the Marlins won 2 world series titles. How many did David win? Barry Bonds is the GOAT what did Sampson do?
The worst players are the best coaches and the best players are the worst coaches
Martin malannado is probably going to lead his team to some world series
Boone was a terrible player and a terrible coach. Matheny was a terrible player and terrible coach.
I like the saying that the best coaches are the worst players and I think this is a perfect example of that
Tony Larussa, Cal Ripken Sr., and Earl Weaver.
Ted Williams was a good coach. But Joe DiMaggio and Rogers Hornsby weren't. It's hard to be humble enough to put yourself in a struggling rookie's shoes when you just know good results come from hard work.
It seems superstars psychologically expect the same high performance from mostly marginal players who just don't have the God-given talent that only very few have.
The only person Michael Jordan really coached was Kobe. Otherwise he was a flop.
You made a connection without correlation.
Yelich said and this was this year that he enjoyed having Barry as a hitting coach. He learned a lot and it was a positive invaluable experience. He still uses the hitting the ball off the plate from the tee and incrementally moving back everytime he hits the ball off the plate drill. It's the most effective swing path drill he's ever done. A hitting coach is consequential in the minors. Barry Bonds being a hitting coach is essentially a move to potentially increase confidence. It's not a smart one because of the flip side being potentially less confidence and too much information because ignoring Barry Bonds is unjustifiable. Hes far and away the best hitter to ever live and he was before the second growth spurt. Of course hes not a good coach. It has to get boring when nobody can be taught to do what he could just do. His discipline was the closest thing to a super power ive ever seen any human being have. It was absolute and is still far superior to everyone else's.
Barry is like my dad whose a master engineer. Wow! Dad how'd you do that? Dunno just watch me.
All dads
That’s how a lot of bad engineering professors are. They struggle to teach something that has been so natural to them for so long
@@kenw2225clearly not all dads. Archie Manning, Del Curry, Ken Griffey Sr, i could keep going….
lol I’m sure your dad is a “master engineer” 😂
@@21DaHoagie12 all it takes to be a master engineer is to have a masters degree in engineering. Something like 1 out of 4 people who get engineering degrees get masters degrees in it. It’s not like he said his dad was a spy.
Christian Yelich credits Bonds for turning him into an MVP hitter
Did you watch the video?+ He literally covers this in the video.
@@chrisjie2127 I didn’t watch a single second of the video
@@thekeithgarrett13 Stunning honesty.
Taught him how to Shoot Steroids
In golf, you always get worse initially when trying to make fundamental swing changes. It can easily take a year to see the improvement. Could it be similar in baseball? I do find it interesting that bonds coached 5 players that became highly productive a year later. Not saying bonds made them great, but also not completely irrelevant. I do wonder just a little.
It's funny to hear Mattingly talk about hitting coaching, when the Jays are terrible at hitting under his coaching..
I just watched this and was going to post the same.
Players said that he made a difference to them. Even if short-term... He helped.
How Bonds coached: “Just put on a little of this cream…and then some clear.”
Saying it's a disaster is silly when almost every player got better in 2016 lol.
Also not for nothing Yelich crediting Bonds for his breakout
Yuh they got good in 16 cuz they all got traded in 17😂😂😂
Honestly this entire Marlins season was kind of strange and it shocks me that a lot of those weird 2010’s Marlins things happen to line up with is season
Thank you. I'm glad someone finally made this video.
I went to the Mets Marlins July 4th game at Citi Field sitting behind the 3rd base dugout. Bonds was more focused on chatting with the fans and answering questions the entire game. It was awesome chatting with Barry, but you can tell that it was all about him and not his team.
Hold on a second, Barry Bonds was actually talking to fans? Yikes, he REALLY must have hated his role by then!
Wow i usually love your videos... There is so much confirmation bias here its unwatchable
When I was coaching at an academy, the biggest thing I would do to keep hitters focused, is have them say a color as the pitch was coming. It sounds counterintuitive, but it actually frees up everything on the mind during the at-bat. Hitting slumps don't occur because someone's fundamentals are broken it is, in 99% of cases, a mentla issue.
Great video. Keep up the work
Can't blame Barry for everything. Was setup to fail working under Mattingly. Mattingly has tons of talent everywhere he goes and never wins anything. Also him saying he never wanted Bonds and leaking the ultimatum shows everything you need to know imo.
I loved Mattingly as a player growing up. I've also never heard a bad word about him as a person. Even in his prime as a player he was super humble. But he's a shitty manager.
He’s been politicking for Schneider’s job in Toronto. Schneider I can’t judge as a manager because the decisions are made for him by Loss Shatkins. Whit Merrifield outed him after the 2023 loss to the Twins for being meddlesome and not letting Schneider manage or make any meaningful decision. Every rotten decision (especially Berrios being pulled because Muh Analytics and Spreadsheets corporate crap) the team has made since 2016 falls squarely on Mark Shitpilo and Loss Shatkins, the new Cleveland Clowns franchise.
8:04 he looked like the old bonds from pittsburgh when he was coaching the marlins.
he saved ozuna's career and that's a fact
Just because you can hit doesn't mean you explain hitting. Not everyone can be edgar!
Wow. You look at the Mariners and their hitting and think that Edgar is somehow a great coach? What about Teoscar Hernandez and Eugenio Suarez, who are both doing better on other teams this year? What about that .218 team BA and .306 OBP?
Edgar wasn’t their hitting coach until 3 weeks ago
@@bengunnels1749 He was their hitting coach from 2015 through 2018. He's been an "advisor" since then. Those years weren't great. Seattle was near the bottom of the league for most of them.
But you're right that we can't blame Edgar for Seattle being incapable of getting good seasons out of Hernandez and Suarez.
@simpleanswer8954 both have literally nothing to do with edgar. Also, just because 2 players were able to play better once on another team doesn't mean shit. Why not name all the ones who stayed the same or played worse?
@simpleanswer8954 what are you talking about? You apparently didn't look at team averages during that time. They didn't make the playoffs and had some issues pitching wise but with almost every metric the Mariners hitting was way above league average.
I think I remember hearing that George Brett had a similar experience trying to teach players how to hit. He couldn't comprehend that the average MLB player is not George Brett and can't just do the things he did.
There are fantastic coaches out there that couldn't make it as players. There are fantastic players out there that never made his coaches.
Great content my man…
Great video. I’ve often wondered why typically it seems it’s usually the mediocre, role or bench players that succeed in coaching and managing. One theory I have is that they had to really pay more attention to the game as a whole as the little details are more important. Not that stars don’t work hard. The fringe guys probably go through the troubleshooting processes more often and find more things that work and don’t. Maybe?
People don't seem to grasp that playing well doesn't mean you can teach well. There is no correlation but people make it all the time. A great salesman doesn't mean he will be a great sales manager or a great car mechanic can run the garage. Just different skills. This fallacy is rampant. Does a great student make a great teacher? They might know the subject matter, but none of that matters if they can't convey it to the student.
Being a good hitter and being good at teaching others how to hit are entirely separate skills
@@sso9442 you’re right. Just because you’re good at something doesn’t mean you can teach someone else how to be good at it
@@Cynsham yes. I agree.
It is the same for professional PGA Tour players who might try to teach. Some are so talented they really don’t understand what they do or how to teach it to players who are not as talented.
Sometimes results don’t come right away. Who are we to say that some of the success these players found the following years was due to Bonds’s teaching. I’d rather hear from the players and they have nothing but positive words.
As a loyal Giants fan and Bonds apologist I completely disagree with the idea that this was Barry’s fault. How hard is it for the players to bow every time he walks by and avoid eye contact?! Their ego is what screwed them over not 25
He helped out a good amount actually, notice how good the players were the year after he arrived as opposed to when he first showed up? Just took some time to implement it. Barry wins again.
1:53 I meannnn. Wayne Gretzky was a genuinely terrible nhl head coach. Martin Brodeur is widely considered a terrible source of goalie advice. All time players being bad coaches isn’t as uncommon as you’d probably think
You're the only other person who mentioned Gretz, he's a PRIME example. Can't teach supernatural ability, and Gretz just... moved, thought, and reacted faster than everyone else.
This is exactly like Michael Jordan owing the Charlotte Bobcats
I think Jerry West might be one of the very few who was both a great player and a great executive. Being a great player and being able to build teams are two totally different skill sets, and someone possessing both is extremely rare.
Great Talent even Greater AH
so what if he turned Christian Yelich into one of the best hitters in baseball he's a meanie ☹️
only good thing from his time as a coach is he said ichiro could win a HR derby easy if he tried
Ted Williams didn’t really offer much hitting expertise to the Washington Senators when he took over as manager. He basically told the players swing at a strike you like, see the ball-hit the ball.
Imagine if someone like Steve Cohen grew up a Marlins fan and then bought them in 2016. Possibly a few World Series trophies over there….
JT realmuto in 2016 had an OBP of .343. That's tied for his 2nd highest in 11 years lol
There's a reason great players don't become coaches- a lot of times they just have a natural ability and they don't even know why they're so good- the guys that had to grind to stay in the league often are the ones that make the best coaches
Ted Williams tried to tell Mickey Mantle how to hit, and Mantle struggled after that all star break. Also Ted Williams managed the Washington Senators. I forgot how he did, but I bet it wasn't memorable.
Isn’t it like a really common adage that great hitters tend to make the worst hitting coaches because they try to make everyone hit like they did? Rather than working with individual players in order to find what works best for each person?
His coaching style is still better than the mariners "control the zone" hitting coaching.
Ozuna also started in cf for the nl all star game in 2016. Yelich won a silver slugger his ops in 2016 is his 4th best, the 3 above all being 900+. Martin Prado's best year with the marlins was 2016. Derek Dietrich off the bench had an .798 ops and ichiro only hit .250 + with the marlins in 2016 and he it .291. This video kind of seems like a hit piece for a team that only had 2 starters with an ERA under 4. But nice production
Prima Donna Barry will never get in the mud.
the FIRST clip, Barry hitting. LOOK at his GREAT hand, eye coordination.
Well I came out of this video surprised at how good of a coach Barry Bonds actually was.
Love this channel ❤️
was it though? Look at the Peaks of Yelich, Ozuna and Stanton after the season they had with him and the changes they made in approach and swings. All 3 of those guys specifically gave him credit despite his short comings
Yelich said he helped him a ton and unlocked his swing.
Scariest hitter of all time without doubt.
Albert Belle.
@@somerandomguy5977 was never walked intentionally with the bases loaded.
@@somerandomguy5977 Barry is scarier as a hitter, Albert Belle is just a scary person in general cause he'd probably punch you in the face
Steroids will do that.
No one could match Barry Bonds ability to be an A Hole. No HOF ever Barry.
Barry Bonds is yet another example of "amazing athlete does not mean amazing teacher or coach." It's like Michael Jordan going from amazing player to less-than-amazing executive. Being great at your sport often comes from a certain innate talent and skill that is simply not really possible to teach or even explain.
You don't need any exit velocity, launch angle or any of that. That's been developed so people watching on tv can be closer to the game
You forgot to mention that he put his hands around Derek Dietrich’s neck
Ted Williams stepped down because he didn’t want to manage in Texas, not because he wasn’t good enough or that the team didn’t show visible improvement.
I can only imagine Barry Bonds failed as a hitting coach for the same reason Jordan would fail as a coach. “Just take off from the free throw line, glide thru the air, and flush the ball in the basket”…hard to teach god-given talent 😂
Bonds was fine as a coach. 1 year ? Almost no one is great in their first year at something. Cavs coach in 2016 for example. But basically anything in life, few are great in one year at something. I bet bonds helped them all.
Yelich said that he became a power hitter because of Bonds advice
The advice: "money balls are money bags; call this number."
Barry knows how to hit but can’t teach it.
Seems to me he taught it pretty well
people forget that he had 6 gold gloves too
The Marlins had 2 hall of fame snubs as coaches in the same season
Barry bonds is the greatest player of all time and if he isn’t in the hof by the end of my lifetime something is wrong with the baseball world
Imagine being the greatest at something that just comes so easy and then try telling people not as good how to do what you did
I’ve said it before but analytics stole the soul of the game
When things come easily to a player those are the worst coaches because in a way the don’t know how they did it. It’s like asking Ronnie Coleman “hey what did you do to get so big?” And he says “uh idk I just did some bicep curls and some squats and I ate a lot” Failing to realize that his genetics are a big part as to why he got so big so his plan may not necessarily be the one for you. A lot of GREAT players don’t know how they do it it just comes naturally to them another example is a rod you ask him how do you swing? he kept preaching “oh knob to ball” when he completely did something different he can’t explain his swing
A hitting coach at the professional level is nearly pointless. A player asking him a question here and there is all that’s necessary
Always wondered what happened with that
Miami tried everything in the 10s, even had a great roster in 2016, but were trash
IS it really surprising?!? The man has been described as a malcontent since his days at Arizona State. It was foolish for the Marlins to get him, especially since they knew his personality traits.
If Barry Bonds were offered a spot in the Baseball Hall of Fame as a hitting coach, would he accept?
And THAT is why Griffey was WBC hitting coach.
He's always been 10x the player and person that Bonds is and was.
no one was ever 10x the player that bonds was lol
no he wasn't. Bonds was way better than Griffey.
Griffey was great. One of the best swings of all time.
But Bonds was always better. He's the GOAT.
Even before the steroids it was well known Bonds was the better overall player. You realize he was super great in Pittsburgh and was winning mvps back then? Bonds isn’t in the hall of fame because he pissed everyone off when he played.
Mr. Big Head. Geez I wonder why 🤔
What'll happen whenever we find out all these stars are made? Mark McGwire, Barry Bonds, and Sammy Sosa all had terrible eye sight. McGwire was legally blind in his left eye... Yet had the best depth perception in the league?
6:56 Bonds could've put up Jim Thome in his 30s type DH numbers well into his 50s.
Get rid of the bots lil bro
Doing my best!
@@madethecutthanks
@@tempforever you didn’t expect him to reply, did you?
Hard to teach something you never struggled at
Still the GOAT! 🤣 Most Feared hitter ever! Pitchers Refused to pitch to him and would just Intentionally WALK him because he would just swat it out the park, hands down the greatest MLB Player ever. Who cares if he couldnt teach a trash Marlins roster to hit.
Not a 5 tool player because he never had a good arm. It's speed, defence, power, contact, arm. Funnily enough discipline isn't one of the 5 tools. Shows that term was invented in the era of RBI not OBP.
I hear he had a reasonably decent arm, similar to someone like Trout. Not plus plus, but better than average
@@madethecut it was awful, at least is SF
It isn't uncommon for guys who excelled to struggle in coaching.
Of course, there are exceptions such as McGwire's tenure with the Cardinals as a hitting coach.
This happens in sports often. The best players wind up being the worst coaches/managers. Its because the best players see and understand the game much differently and its hard for the average player to grasp. Another perfect example was Magic Johnson. He was a horrible Lakers head coach.
They could have got better because what bonds was teaching takes time and it's like a president that inherits a good situation because of the work of the last president. It would be good to see what the players think was the case
Would rather see a “How can the MLB deny one of the best to ever do it to the HOF”..
.. and I’m a Dodger fan.😶
little known fact: his real name is Hugh Jassle
Apparently he really helped Christian Yellich
The old adage, "Those who can't do, teach" applies here. Bonds could do, and therefore shouldn't teach.
I've always kind of felt for Bonds. He was amazing, a candidate for the baseball GOAT. Being an arrogant asshole can't take away from that. He saw others using steroids leading them to outdo him in one area of play that happens to be the one that fans and the media focus on most, far beyond its actual importance in play. He pointed this out and complained and wanted the cheating dealt with so he could show he was better than those players if the playing field was level. This didn't happen. Doing steroids seems a fair response to the situation he found himself in. If they weren't gonna enforce the rules, why follow them? Being a huge asshole was his fault, but the steroids was a result of tons of people in power looking the other way. He definitely deserves to be in Cooperstown and it's a shame that he's been punished for a systemic failure that probably was a result of the powers that be liking the ratings and ticket sales the steroid era brought.
I have no choice but to respect his numbers,but as a former baseball card dealer,looking at his frame on his 87 Topps card doesn't look anything like what his last card looked like,a completely different person
He legit morphed into OJ Simpson by the end of his career
😂Bonds eye sight was the reason Bonds was such a good hitter? The dumbest thing I've heard in yrs
I feel like this video is waaayyy too harsh on bonds.
Well, it’s not like he’s telling lies about anything and it’s quite consistent with how Bonds behaved as a player as well, he would hardly be the first great player that didn’t translate into a great coach or executive. Frankly, I don’t see anything all that controversial here that’s who Bonds always been.
@@neneshubby it’s not really about whether or not the video was factually correct. I just think the negatives are being overly dramatized and the many players who have come out saying bonds helped them was glossed over like nothing. Also, anything David Sampson says should be taken with a grain of salt. Dude is a 🤡
@@akaDOOD Well, I don’t think he’s any more harsh than the media was on Bonds when he played and Bonds doesn’t exactly help himself with his behavior so some of this is on him and as far as David Sampson all I can say is you’re the one watching his videos, he’s not watching yours.
@@neneshubby yeah because this is David Sampson’s channel and these are totally his videos xD
@@akaDOOD Your the one who said he’s a clown and what he says should be taken with a grain of salt and yet you still are watching his videos😂😂
All those great stats and you couldn't throw out Sid Bream.....
Pre steroids, he was a mind blowing natural talent.
Alright boys I know it’s been a rough first half but I think we can turn things around! Everybody line up turn around and bend over😂
Ever notice how all the great coaches/managers in sports were either decent at best starters, career backups or never made the pros?
The greats have a terrible time translating how they succeed onto others. Because well…99% are no where near as good as they were.
Same reason Roy Jones Jr sucked as a coach. Only Roy can lead with a hook; you can’t teach that.
Greatest player of all time 🎉🎉 maybe ohtani can touch him one day
Lots of great hitters are bad coaches. Many great coaches and managers were never great players. I was always curious/surprised that Bonds even had an interest in a coaching gig. He always seemed to anti-social. I wondered if this was some way to start changing his reputation. But I never saw him as one who cared about his reputation.
Hard to share skills that come from a needle 😂
It’s common for great players to be lousy coachs and managers. Check out Ted Williams record when he was manager of the Senators.
Usually like these videos but it’s wild you attribute any down stat to bonds being the coach, or uptick the following year to bonds being gone, but the guys who did have better years it’s not actually because of bonds. Then you act like some of these players weren’t super young and still developing. Guys could have also kept using things he taught them moving forward and it clicked. Just a crazy conclusion to come to at every turn lmao feels lazy when I do usually like the channel
I'd argue Ichiro had more of a positive impact on the Marlins than Barry Bonds
The problem is that you cant advice players to just take steroids anymore.
The guy in Milwaukee who played for the Marlins said he helped him tremendously. There’s videos on it. He’s not personable and is hard to work with but this is lies.