USS Wasp - Guide 150
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Pinned post for Q&A :)
(Not sure if this is quite the right place to ask, but) Would you consider a series following the development of doctrine in the various navies across the time period you normally cover, akin to the Chieftain's series on tank doctrines?
What were the most effective type of submarine in your opinion?
Why did the germans not complete the admiral hipper class cruiser Seydlitz in ww2? I mean, i know that to help the war effort resources had to be used from all fronts but would it really have been that difficult to complete seydlitz given that at the outbreak of the war it was 95% complete?
With the what-if subject of the Free-Polish Navy being lent a Battleship during WWII in mind, and that the remaining Invincible's were offered to Chile after WWI... What viability might have there been for the UK providing the [then newly independent] state of Poland a couple of their 12" or 13.5" armed Capital Ships, during or after 1922?.
(vessels that might be justified as a counter to Weimar German Pre-Dreadnoughts & the Soviets 12" armed ships)
Also: Which ships would've fitted this situation best?.
@@themightynanto3158 During the time it would have become operational all surface fleet operations were cancelled and decided that they would use the time to convert her into an aircraft carrier instead.
Okay. The Ceremonial Salvaging was amazing.
I didn't understand your comment until I came to that part in the video XD.
Is it something like "getting rid of bad luck" tradition?
Naval humour at it's best.
now the question is who through the water over board....
@@randynelson8762 Why the chief salvage officer, of course. It IS a shipwreck. According to Axis Sally.
Super great touch, good for them.
Wasp's Pacific campaign:
Hey guys! I'm her-awww
4,000 Meters underwater? It's so easy sometimes to forget how deep the Pacific can be sometimes.
for some purposes like dumping into the abyss corrupt politicians and other very bad criminals its nice to know where the deepest parts of the Pacific are 😉
The lowest known point on Earth is Challenger Deep, at the bottom of the Mariana Trench, 11,034 m (36,201 feet) below sea level.
@@falcorusticolus4360 Thats more then enough distance and waterpressure to silence them!
the politicians would just zombie walk their way back to shore and start up again
I can think of a few that were convicted of federal corruption charges, who after release won their old positions back
@@obelic71 And now we know, that X-COM, terror from the deep is based on a true story ... thanks a lot.
The I-19's salvo resulted in the immediate sinking of the Wasp, the sinking later when it broke apart of the destroyer O'Brien, and the damage to the battleship North Carolina taking it away from Guadalcanal for about two months for repairs. Ironically, the Japanese naval command did not believe the I-19's captain about the damage his six torpedo / six hit salvo had done!
Indeed, and her sixth torpedo almost hit Wasp. Having our only two surviving carriers in the Pacific sink at one would have been a devastating blow. I-19 had a colorful and amazingly effective career for a WWII Japanese large submarine. She used her floatplane to reconnoiter Pearl Harbor before and after the attack, conducted war patrols for the Aleutians to near Australia, made four successful supply runs to Guadalcanal without detection, and was one of the few large subs to continue to use her floatplane right up November 20, 1943, the day of her sinking after eight successful war patrols. She would be a worthy boat to have her own "Five Minute Guide".
Sar Jim there is a video about I-19 under the submarine category in play lists
@@bombvoyage5686 I'll be darned. I thought I had watched just about every Drach video by now, but it seems like there's always one that got away. Thanks, I'll check it out.
I wouldn't have believed it either. USS O'Brien and USS North Carolina were actually screening Hornet. I-19 was about 1,500 yds from USS Wasp when it fired. The two torpedoes that hit O'Brien and North Carolina traveled over 10,000 yards. Tremendous luck for I-19 (or correspondingly bad luck for the Americans).
@@bcoop1701 And that wasn't anywhere near close to the maximum range of 43,000 yards. It would have still been traveling at 48 knots. That speed alone would have been enough to hole most hulls, not to mention the 1080 pound high explosive warhead of the Type 93. There are been very few weapons of war that remained an almost complete secret from the enemy, but it was an almost complete shock to the USN when an intact example was recovered at Guadalcanal in 1943. In fact, the Type 93 was a touchy weapon that would sink Japanese warships when they were caught in a bombing attack before the could jettison the torpedoes. Nevertheless, the type 93 remained a dangerous weapon for the USN, sinking its last ship in December, 1944, and that only because very few submarines and surface ships capable of handling the Type 93 remained afloat.
I've been waiting for this one for a while. My father served aboard the USS Wasp until just a month or two before she was sunk. My uncle served aboard the USS Hornet from the time she was commissioned until they gave the order to abandon ship. Hope to see something on the Hornet one day. Great video, thanks for your hard work.
I gratefully respect your dad and uncle.
@@stevek8829 Thank you, they were both really good men. both have passed away, but I'm proud to have had them as my father and uncle.
My great grandfather served on the uss wasp. He was on it when it sunk but survived it
They don’t make men like that anymore
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😓 Nope, they dont make "men" like that anymore! Nowadays, "men" are demonized for positive characteristics such as bravery and strength, in favor of "discovering their feminine side", and being encouraged to "change genders" or become drag queens. There is a purge of competent, reasonable, traditionalist US military top brass, in favor of hyper-partisan, America hating, neo-Marxist radicals! The 2021 US military leaders are starting to demand leftist ideological purity among its leaders and recruits, trying to weed out patriotic American soldiers, and vilifying patriotic Americans and conservatives as "terrorists"!
👿 The current chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, was promoting the dangerously divisive, Marxism oriented "critical race theory". He was also promoting the mythical, race-specific "mental disorder" called "white rage". Apparently, ONLY white people are capable of becoming angry! He also talked about how much he'd learned from reading the gospels of Marxism and communism! ☠️
😳 In the meantime, the military recently put on a drag queen show for our troops! {The left are also teaching critical race theory, and putting on "drag queen story hours" in public schools across the country!} If your intention was to subvert and destroy the countries of America, UK and Australia from within, you'd do exactly what the democrats and the radical left are doing RIGHT NOW under the *Biden* regime! 👹😈👺
"Erm, Sir... the Germans say, that we have been sunk."
"Wait what? How are the Germans better informed about the status of the ship, that I'm commanding? We need to salvage it!"
"..., Sir?"
"You heard me. Salvage the ship!"
"Yes, Sir. Guys, throw a bucket of water overboard."
"Ok."
I neeed squire to act this one out!
My father was an officer aboard the Lansdowne. He told us stories about recovering injured sailors. Some Lansdowne sailors were issued rifles to try to keep the sharks at bay.
Back when US carriers had good names from historical ships and battles instead of politician names. Stennis and Ford just don't have the same ring as Wasp, Hornet, Lexington, etc. At least the USN has kept Enterprise in play.
There will always be a ship to bear the name Enterprise.
@@8789spartan Movie quotes aside, there has been a "USS Enterprise" of one sort or another on the US Navy ship rolls since the Continental Navy was established. Much like the Royal Navy's "Indefatigable" and "Warspite", "Enterprise" seems to be one of those ships whose name, and by extension, her legacy, will persist so long as the "men who go out to the sea in ships" honor and remember her.
How about the USS Obama...it is unarmed, has bathrooms for transgendered, and can only steer to the left.
@@johnw5584 It also has a large cargo bay for holding cash deliveries to Iran.
@@johnw5584 That would be right up there with USS Trump, runs from every fight and blames the rest of the group.
My great uncle Alphonse Minvielle served on the Wasp for years until it was sunk. He went to the Naval Academy in Annapolis and was stationed on it before it went to the Pacific when it was on the East Coast. He was a Commander that headed a squadron of fighter pilots. He survived the sinking and was rescued after several days at sea and served in the rest of the war on the USS Bon Homme Richard, but tragically died when his plane crashed in a snow storm over the Sierras in 1949 transporting scientists from China Lake to Berkeley. He was 34 with 4 children and a young wife. It's pretty wild that the wreckage was just discovered in early 2019. Thanks to everybody who served on the USS Wasp.
Is anybody else binge watching this terrific channel?
Should have inserted Will Riker's "Tough little ship."
Even the compromise designs of US carriers produced excellent ships.
Uh..... sniffing the glue recently?
@@w8stral Probably too much time watching Flat Earther's rhetoric being pounded into submission.
@@SibbTigre The flat earthers love laughing at everyone running around "debunking" them. I know one guy, does it specifically to pop the pompous arrogant assholes who go around preaching
@@w8stral its actaully very easy to debunk flatearthers.
@@thunberbolttwo3953 Well duh, but the flat earthers do it purposefully to poke oh so self important narcissistic arrogant assholes in the eye and then watch as the selfish narcissistic assholes start bloviating telling the world how smart and right they are..... Quite entertaining. The "intellectual elite" are being laughed at and the arrogant turds do not even know it.
Considering the Wasp was built with left overs, and with extreme limitations, the U.S. navy used her in ways, that made sense at the time. The ship should get greater credit for her history in battle. A very brave ship and crew.
seems quite effective use of resources to me. small carrier but very active.
The ship itself was 'very brave'?
Okay.
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@@McRocket you ever been to sea? People become part of the ship, the ship becomes a part of them. The ship, steel, wires, technology and her human component take on an identity and persona. Traditions develop, verbal expressions that have meaning only to the crew of a particular ship. This phenomenon is noted by all who have seen it. Yes, a ship can be described accurately as Brave. Tug boats, fishing vessels and every other type of vessle , each has a personality. Two ships that are identical in every way can have different personalities.
Once you've seen it, you will recognize it.
@daleeasternbrat816 Oh please. A ship is a thing. It cannot be brave. Not possible.
No matter how sentimental/overemotional people get about it.
And yes, I have been to sea.
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My suggestion for a future video: USS Detroit, CL-8, one of only 2 ships present at the attack on Pearl Harbor and the surrender in Tokyo Harbor. (The other was the West Virginia). Next year will mark the 75 anniversary of the Japanese surrender.
I still say the Japanese surrender should have been on one of the PH survivors.
The SV Petrel recently discovered two of the four Japanese carrier wrecks at Midway as well.
Fantastic video as always Drach.
We can only hope those wargraves can not be reached by scrapmetal robbers.
Pre atomic age metal is an expensive metal.
2 years ago we lost the British, Dutch and US navy wrecks from the battle in the Java sea.
Only the indentation on the seafloor where they once had laid are vissable.
@@obelic71 happily the Midway wrecks are to deep and to hard to locate for that to happen
@@admiraltiberius1989 All sailors/soldiers wich side doesn't matter have the right to rest in peace. In death we are alle equel
only God may judge them then.
@@obelic71 Midway wrecks are very deep and generally off-limits. The Java Sea, however, is a busy ship hub with countries around the area. Easy for people to salvage.
@@BHuang92 I fear the same fate may have already befallen the Tsushima wrecks (and others of the R-J War), since I think those waters are rather shallow and the Chinese have no qualms about plundering such things. Local fisherman probably already have the wrecks mapped as snags for nets, but just don't know *what* they are.
I had a professor who was a Wasp sinking survivor
That fatal torpedo salvo is one of those crazy lucky hits in history.
Yep the sixth torp narrowly missed Hornet.
@@JaneCobbsHat Imagine if Hornet was also hit....
@@bkjeong4302 Guadalcanal Campaign would've probably been over at that point as I'd imagine that with Enterprise and Saratoga and now Hornet in this timeline all going back for repairs (considering how much punishment a Yorktown can take, I'd imagine a torp strike probably won't be fatal to her, especially with no follow-ups to finishing her off), this would've left Henderson Field vulnerable to the Japanese carrier strikes and allowed them the chance to take Henderson Field. Without the carriers and Henderson Field, the USN and Marines would've had no choice but to evacuate Guadalcanal in defeat.
The shakeup at the USN Officer corps would be the most interesting aspect as I'd imagine many heads would roll from this failure, perhaps even some high ones like King (who spearheaded the campaign) wouldn't be immune to the chopping block.
@@Nuke89345 Not sure how vulnerable Henderson would have been in that scenario.
@@bkjeong4302 In October 13-14th, Henderson Airfield was knocked out by a combination of Haruna and Kongou that pretty much destroyed a good portion of the airfield's aircraft, almost all of their aviation fuel, and heavily damaged the runway. Only the presence of Hornet and the timely arrival of Enterprise on the 16th prevented the Japanese carrier force from pushing to take Henderson Field with aircraft immediately. Without Hornet, it's likely the Japanese would try to take Henderson Field a lot sooner and with the Japanese battleships knocking out Henderson Field, I just can't see how the Americans hold on without those carriers to attempt to parry the Japanese carriers.
I attended a military history course given by a retired Marine LCol who served on Wasp and was there during the sinking
I did 2 deployments on USS Wasp LHD-1.
One of my first mentors in the Machine Shop, apprentice Die Sinker, was a man named Andy Chuha, he was a Machinist aboard the Wasp when it was sunk. His back was broken in the sinking and he spent a year recovering and then was stationed aboard a Cruiser for the rest of the war. Oh the stories!
You could say the axis in the mediterranean were stung by the wasp
Churchill made use of this trope, also
Winston, is that you?
Drach and breakfast, day is Starting off good
I served on USS Wasp CVS 18
I really like your logo. A very nice adaptation of the "Player's Navy Cut" tobacco/cigarette packaging
My great grand dad was stationed on this ship the day it was sunken. Yes my great grand dad did survived and lived the rest of his life at home.
People go on about wooden flight decks etc , but they had to build them bloody quick it’s a good job they did as it turned out , would love to hear how the p40s did
Seeing that the Wasp has a flank speed similar to the South Dakota and North Carolina class BBs, one possible use for Wasp would be in the first role given to carriers, which was to escort the battleline. This would free the Saratogas and Yorktowns for more independent action without having to worry about the BBs not having air cover. That was a smart way to use the remaining tonnage.
Imagine the mindset of the crew as the were sent to Pacific to fill in for larger and better designed ships. Those guys... a giant set of brass ones, they had.
A carrier guide right after the carrier history video? Coincidence? I think not!
Wasp has been one of my favourite CVs. Not sure why, she wasn't particularly pretty, or aggressive looking. I guess it comes down to reading about her experiences regarding Malta. If you look at the story from Malta's perspective Wasp comes out of it looking like a saviour (not her alone of course).
How about a video about PT Boats / German E Boats and other Nations...?
Been asked many times. Maybe next year.
Sinking wasps in my pool with the skimmer, those mean things will not stop until they cannot go on. Safe to say the ship lived up to her name!
Thanks for these videos. There is a ton of stuff out there about a few famous ships like Enterprise, Yamato and such but we don't often get to hear about the many other ships that served key roles in these conflicts.
Operated with her namesake in the Atlantic in the '60s!
Well done. If you visit the USS North Carolina in Wilmington, she still bears a crack in the turret damaged by I-19 in 1942. Not visible, but still there.
Great video as always. However, I was left wondering - how many deaths and casualties occured on the the Wasp on that final day? RIP to our fallen.
193 died and 366 were wounded.
It's interesting the different design choice made by the British and US navy's when restricted by tonnage limitations.
The British emphasize ship qualities while the US emphasizes strike power.
The US choice was determined by the wide, empty expance of the Pacific while the British concerns were the North Sea and Med. Both close to massive land based airforces.
Carriers. It's painful and good to watch them in the same time.
With all that armor and anti-torpedo protection removed, it sounds like this was not the safest carrier to be on during a war.
"Who says a Wasp can't sting twice?" WSC
No one actually. Wasps and hornets can sting many times. Bee's can only sting once because their stingers get stuck in whatever they sting
@@lightninsadventures2692 those are indeed nasty bastards that'll sting because they know they can do it more than once
Believe me, those fuckers can sting twice. I still have a scar on my hand from one that stung me 40 years ago. Little bastard was like all 'Durka-durka' with it's ass and then flew away.
Tough little ship. Everyone knows it is hard to kill a wasp!
You just have to use a bigger hammer😉.
How about a giant newspaper?
Flamethrowers work very well, i wiped out some pretty big nests with them.
You got that right! They'll sting you even when they're dead!
Love your videos bro! An interesting hypothetical, knowing war was fairly inevitable by the late ‘30’s, what if the Wasp had been made into another Yorktown class very quietly, would she have survived the torpedo hits from I-19?
Excellent episode! I'm amused by the user votes if 1,300+ to 1. I guess you can't please everyone!
A short lived but interesting ship. Thanks
I always thought thhe Wasp was a pretty carrier . Without the bulkiness of the huge stack of the Yorktowns .
Thank you,
I needed this....
Wow, amazed they found it, 4km is a lot of water to be under...
Would like to see an examination of the different types of WW1 fire control, ie the Dreyer, Argo, Ford, French and German et al. Pre war developments too if possible, like the Dumaresq, Sperry tracker and others.
Dang, loved that picture at the end!
The 24" Long Lance torpedo was only mounted on Japanese surface ships (mostly on destroyers and cruisers). Japanese submarines used a 21" torpedo.
True but it was a Long Lance derivative :)
Great video Sir, many thanks!
Can you do a video on the USS Wolverine or the USS Sable? They’re pretty interesting to read about.
Only been asked 25 times in the last 2 years.....😒
The Great Lakes carrier fleet!!
Don't know if you already have. But can you see about doing a video on the Russian Baltic fleet vs the Japanese? Talk about the ships in the fleet and the statistics along with the battle.
He did about a month ago, both the journey of the russian fleet and then the battle have their own videos.
Do the hiyo class carrier
Interesting video
I don’t know if it is something you would want to spend time on, but I would appreciate if you could add the Doolittle raid to the list.
He could fold it into a vid on USS Hornet.
Do a review of the U. S. aircraft carrier Rendova. At the end of WWII, she rescued men from a C54 aircraft crash in the Pacific.
Can you do a review of italian auxiliary cruisers of ww2 I know they didn't do much but they did fight a bit
I'm fairly certain the the torpedoes fired by I-19 weren't Long Lances, because like all 1st-class submarines of the IJN she had standard 533mm torpedo tubes and not the larger 610mm used on their cruisers and larger destroyers. Not even the gigantic I-400 class submarines had 610mm torpedo tubes. The Type 95 torpedo
used by Japanese submarines was basically a miniature version of the Type 93 Long Lance (using the same compressed oxygen propulsion and a larger warhead than most nations' torpedoes), but it's not the same torpedo.
I might be wrong (my specialty is aviation history) but wasn’t Long Lance a allied nickname for any/all of the Japanese oxygen fuelled torpedoes referring mainly to their long range? Reading the histories that was always my impression anyway.
Correct, the Long Lance was the 24" Type 93 with a 1,080 lb warhead. The I-19 used the 21" Type 95 (admittedly derived from the Type 93) with an 893 lb warhead. Still the best submarine torpedo of WW2.
Good looking ship!
Has some English styling about it.
The Hornet, the Wasp, but where was the Bumblebee?
Those Japanese certainly were not a walkover
How about the Hornet- with an emphasis on Jimmy Doolittle's raid on Tokyo?
The thing that confuses me alot was that many sources claim that the USS Wasp (CV-7) had a refit of 40mm Bofors and 20mm Oerlikons. Was it true? If not the refit was very unlikely due to the design of the ship. I suspect the refit idea was mistaken for the other USS Wasp (CV-18).
Did anyone ever watch Zipang? It has a episode of this carrier being sunk by a Tomahawk Missile.
i still don't understand the scuttling, was there a chance to put out the fires and tow her, or were they so scared of I-19 they just didn't want to try???
Found it a bit cringy hearing I -19 fired a salvo of long lances, that nickname being for the 24 inch Type 93s, not the 21 inch Type 95s subs used (although they were similar designs) or am i missing something?
Type 95 was a Type 93 variant, maybe that is the reason he used that nickname .
My daddy was on the USA Baylor's a storekeeper news in the water for 3 and 1/2 hours we made it out with his life
no ORP Piorun or ORP Błyskawica on the list. I am sad :(
what list?
th-cam.com/video/6sBHIxCfBvE/w-d-xo.html
It is my understanding that the Long Lance was liquid oxygen fueled, the lox being made from the atmosphere. It was stored at atmospheric pressure in Dewar flask like vented containers and piped to and used to fuel torpedos. A submarine is not a safe place from which to extract the oxygen, or vent it either. The submarine torpedos were conventionally fueled but were superior to early US torpedos, but not liquid oxygen fueled.
The Type 95 variant still used oxygen, but not in the same way as the original and larger Type 93.
@@Drachinifel thanks, compressed oxygen gas would work on a sub, but not liquid. It would have five times the oxidizer that compressed air has for stoichiometric combustion and no nitrogen bubbles in the wake, just CO2 and steam that quickly would condense.
USA: Hey, Germany, you didn't sink the Wasp.
Germany: Oh no!
Japan: Anyway...
Very good, and YT gave you ads even tho the video is less than 5 min long. Hope it helps a bit.
I miss cool names like wasp and hornet
keith moore loves his quotes “the only place Japanese language will be spoken is in hell” (paraphrased)
USS Wasp exists as LHD-1, it is twice as big as this featured USS Wasp.
The new Enterprise CVN-80 will be launched in late 2025.
What on earth was to be feared in the Pacific?
Those were type 95 submarine torpedoes, similar to, but scaled back from, the Type 93 "Yari".
From Navweaps: www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WTJAP_WWII.php
From CombinedFleet: www.combinedfleet.com/torps.htm
And our favorite argument mill, Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_95_torpedo#targetText=The%20Type%2095%20torpedo%20was,Navy%20during%20World%20War%20II.&targetText=The%20Type%2095%20was%20the,used%20by%20Japanese%20surface%20ships.
USS Wasp CV 7 & CV 18 is My Birthday July 18th. (smile) Go Figure?
Damn that F3F is THICC!!!
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I , as a german , had to laugh about that XD ... the propaganda Department at its finest
Suggestion: USS Kidd class "Ayatollah class"
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Why didnt they go for 3x25000 tons instead of 3x20000 + 1x15000 tons ships?
ceremonial bucket hahahaa DEAD
how about a review of the Uss Wasp cv 18
Long lance on sub??? It would explode before leave port.
Tis is rare moements then i cant believe Drach
Type 95 torpedo, a 21inch derivative of the Type 93 Long Lance found on surface ships :)
@@Drachinifel I know this, but "derivative" have so much diferiencies compared to original. Caliber, warhead, totaly different propulsion fueling... Just in my opinion "long lance" ir overpopularisated and overestimated torpedo. Its still great, but Type 95 was in her caliber probably greatest torpedo of all mass produced WW2 torpedoes with kill list far way bigger than type 93.
But maybe You right.
Anyway - again great , interesting video. thumb up
Poor planning keep our carrier force in same area, torpedo alley.
I hate to be That Guy who leaves a comment about the music on such a great video, but the link to the intro music doesn’t work.
I've been asking about it for a few weeks. I'd really like to find it!
Don’t call ii merely the Wasp. Call it Wasp CV-7.
If you refer to this ship as the Wasp, how can I find its replacement, the Wasp CV-18?
My brother is in the navy :(
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Superb video, as always ... Now if ONLY you'd refer to the ships properly...as SHE, not "it", you'd have. 4.0 rating rather than 3.999. 🤪
There is no Proper designation.
Wasn’t that aircraft carrier destroyed by a guided missile destroyer from the future?
The Wasp was the US Navy’s special needs carrier.
And your Bismarcks play toy
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Oh my~
Your intro is too long. Too loud.
NO IT ISN'T!!!!!
@@xaenon yes. Yes it is.
@@guntherultraboltnovacrunch5248 I think you missed the joke....
@@xaenon I get it now you are shouting above the noise.
@@guntherultraboltnovacrunch5248 Well, 'shouting', anyway. Though I do still like the video's intro.
30 sec. of wasted content. Does your intro serve a purpose?
First? First.
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They could refit or aircraft, but they couldn’t bother to put an anti-torpedo defence????? Well, to be honest, she was no CV-6 the legendary, queen of the fleet, the one, the only USS Enterprise! The single greatest fighting worship of all time!!!
My Grandfather was an engineer aboard USS Wasp, and survived the sinking. Thanks for giving me more of an understanding of his ship!
At least Lansdowne succeeded in scuttling Wasp despite the Mark 15 torpedoes. Mustin and Anderson expended nine torpedoes and over 400 round of 5" ammunition attempting to scuttle Hornet a month and a half later, and still had to leave the job for Makigumo and Akigumo to finish after they had inspected Hornet's wreck from a distance and noted her hull number for positive identification.
Any insight on whether it's true or false, that the IJN accurately tried to tow the Hornet away as a prize? Was it just another sea story that got perpetuated because it sounded good?
@@AtomicBabel from my reading it would appear they briefly considered the possibility but quickly concluded it would not be feasible or worthwhile.