A final game with Elwyn Berlekamp (Amazons) - Numberphile
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- The legendary Elwyn Berlekamp died on April 9, 2019. In a final filming session with Numberphile, the games expert taught us how to play Amazons. More links in full description below ↓↓↓
Extras from this interview: • Amazons (extra footage...
Dots & Boxes with Elwyn: • How to always win at D...
Elwyn's own video on Amazons: • Amazons Part 1
Elwyn obituary in Berkeley News: news.berkeley.edu/2019/04/18/...
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The legendary Elwyn Berlekamp died on April 9, 2019. In a final filming session with Numberphile, the games expert taught us how to play Amazons.
This is one of the great things about your chosen profession Brady, you can record these people for posterity
May his soul RIP
Oh wow, rest in peace. Amazing that he could bring a final gift to the world before passing
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i hate the background music. it made the video unwatchable and had to stop. Im very sad, been watching you for years. please don't add background music in the future.
It's always such a sad moment when someone passes on, but it really is a miracle to have a beautiful moment like this archived. This is a bittersweet goodbye Professor Berlekamp. Brady, thank you for sharing this with us.
Why is it a sad moment? Think bigger.
Well at least he wasn't demented at the end, I don't know if he was actually smarter when he was younger but he seemed pretty competent here. And that's certainly better than barely even knowing your own name when you go.
@@mico6155 There are different cultural and personal interpretations of what death means. Neither your nor anyone else's perspective and emotions are invalidated by the existence of someone who interprets things differently.
Indeed, one way to look at it is that this makes everyone's emotional journey more unique and, therefore, more precious to preserve.
I would just ask you to reconsider using "autistic" in such a pejorative and condemning way. It's unjustified, it's uncalled for and, more over, technically incorrect, as what you describe is sociopathy anyway (and, in either case, autism or sociopathy, is it anything said person has any capacity to control, so any condemnation is, by definition, useless anyhow).
Let's not turn our individual grief into a fight. A fight that cannot even be won, as there are no right nor wrong answers to how someone takes a loss like this.
Because my own interpretation here, for example, is that this can be a reminder to us that all of our time here is inevitably limited - so let us not let the small unimportant stuff block the bigger important things that matter. We, sadly, don't really have the time.
KlaxonCow we need more people like you in the TH-cam comments
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"The proudest thing that a teacher has ever done is to get students to be smarter than him."
RIP, Elwyn.
Quote isn't quite right. "The proudest thing that a teacher ever does is when he gets students who are better than him."
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Brady: "Sounds fun!"
Prof. Berlekamp: "Okay, well, it is..."
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79 years of mathematics and games is an admirable way for a life to turn out
Rew Rose
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Yes, he will not be forgotten anytime soon.
What a legend. Thank you, Elwyn, for all you have done for society. Your contributions will live on for many years to come.
How is he a legend? He was litteraly filmed
He won’t see this. He’s deceased.
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He made the Berlekamp-Massey algorithm for finding primes up to which show if the polynomial is irreducible
Wait what?
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There are a lot of names next to various theorems, equations, symbols, numbers, proofs, algorithms. During my math studies I somehow thought that those names are of people long gone or someone distant and unreachable. This channel prooved me wrong and allowed me to (virtually) meet those people. Berlekamp's work was quite essential to my bachelor's thesis. RIP
RIP Elwyn
Thank you for everything sir.
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Thanks for everything
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F to pai respekts
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Thanks Elwyn, even in afterlife helping us learn new interesting games. Going to teach my kid 🙂
RIP.
4:42 "is there a name for this technique?"
"Yeah my buddy Sun Tzu coined the phrase"
Since AlphaZero is programmed to work on any 2 player, turn based, perfect information game, I would like to see its take on this one!
bagourat YES!!
I'm sure it would be great at it. This game actually seems more like go in its objective. Sure, it uses a chess piece, but you're basically giving yourself more owned territory than your opponent.
Can't imagine it would take AlphaZero long to master, given the relatively few moves you can do with only two characters. Pretty fast you should be able to calculate if you have won or not. But then again, i could be very wrong :)
I love obscure games like this.
It's always fun to code up an implementation in something quick like Processing or P5.js.
It's best to celebrate a person's life, not mourn much over their death. This video is good for that.
Walt R. Buck
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Are these his last images before his death? So sad to see someone so important to computer science pass away.
If you are sad when people die, you will be sad 24/7. Death is a transition.
It's sad to see anybody pass away
@@StefanReich Do important computer scientists die 24/7?
Stefan Reich That is not how that works. One can only be sad about a death if one knows about said death, but any given person at any given event in spacetime only ever knows about a few deaths at most, one never knows about deaths 24/7.
@@StefanReich I'm sad when people I knew existed die I probably won't be sad when you die cause I don't know you but I will be sad when a friend or someone you taught me great mathematics games dies
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Ah, this is the guy who wrote the book on Dots & Boxes, one of my favorite game books ever! (And I have a lot.)
if only we had teachers like him, we could have had so much more talented students on this planet.
lectures of him would have been an honour to attend.
Thank you for capturing his wisdom. May his memory be a blessing.
Dr. Berlekamp was an inspiration. CGT is a love of mine, and credit is due where it's due. We lost one of the greats. I am extremely grateful for Dr. Berlekamp's legacy, along with his collaborators, of course. He was a great mind, and will be missed.
A lovely memory, frozen in time. The joy of sharing a game and passing time, together. Thank you.
:( I'm so sad. If his family or friends see this I hope they know that he gave immense joy to millions of people through these videos as I'm sure he did in person.
This is the sweetest video you've done, his students and student's students are surely going to do very great things. Something about him.
Absolutely wonderful. RIP Elwyn. As a maths student, I can't tell you how wonderful I found this video.
Alpha-0 needs to play a couple million games of that.
Brady at 1:49 - "Sounds fun!"
Elwyn (drily) - "Ohhhkay, well, it is."
The destiny of all humans... and the knowlege of great minds, is to be perpetuated by their theaching to others. Thank you for sharing this piece of memory!
This game basically is a fusion of chess and go, great game.
RIP Elwyn, thanks for your contribution to mankind. Especially for not letting brady win
Gandung Sadewo No, that is inaccurate. This game is significantly much more similar to go than to chess. In fact, the game only shares ONE similarity to chess, but that is as much of a similarity as it literally shares with checkers or backgammon. It's not a fusion of anything, not even metaphorically speaking.
@@angelmendez-rivera351 It plays absolutely nothing like Go
Awww watched till the end, seemed like a nice guy. I will teach my kids this game tomorrow. Thank you Elwyn for the video. RIP
Elwyn’s previous video inspired a programming term project of mine a few years ago, and it’s still one of my favorite things I’ve made and I had a ton of fun working on it. A life spent on game theory is a life spent inspiring wonder and creativity in minds around the world.
What an outstanding channel with outstanding minds.
That was really interesting, until the end, which was a complete shock. So very sad. Thank you for sharing.
Interesting. While I won't presume that I would have had any chance against Elwyn, there were some moves by Brady that I instantly saw were bad choices 😂 but nice of you to upload this, RIP Elwyn
Rest In Peace, Prof. Berlekamp, you were a great mathematician and influence to us all
A true master. The world will miss him and his wonderful insights.
What a video and inspiring scientist.
Rest in Peace Mr. Berlekamp.
Am I the only one who looked online everywhere to find this game, found an app that got deleted and am desperately waiting for someone to develop something similar ?!?!?
Man, that hit right in my emotions... Rest in peace, Elwyn!
He died at old age doing what he loves most until the end. My condolences to those that knew him.
I am sorry for your loss... great video
I love how completely unimpressed with all of Brady's moves he was. He knew he couldn't lose.
That looks like so much fun!
What a wonderful tribute!!
Numberphile is the best! channel for mathematics as, it reflects the ideas behind topics ! Instead of just straightaway going to its definition .
Thank you Mathematicians .
My ambition is also to become a Mathematician .😊☺😊☺
I want to become a mathematician too! :)
What is ur special intrest in?
Oh my god, this is like my favorite game. And it’s not well-known. And now numberphile has a video on it? Sweet!
Rest in peace, good sir. And thank you for your many years with us.
So sad, glad you put this video out though, now he lives on.
not really, I mean...
Sad to learn about Berlekamp's passing. I saw him a few times at various math conferences I attended. He was very bright and charismatic!
Extremely interesting new (to me) game!
Sorry for your loss 😢 His vids were great 👍🏽
My condolences to you Brady and Dr Berlekamp's family. At least we will still have his memory.
I just finished reading the last volume of "Winning Ways for your Mathematical Plays" where I learned about this game from Elwyn Berlekamp. My gaming life was incredibly enriched by him and his colleagues.
What an intriguing game!
May your soul rest now. Thank you for your work.
who are you talking to, here in a comments section?
@@a51mj12 The late Mr. Berlekamp. Who are you talking to, with a "comments police" attitude?
Berlekamp, Guy and Conway died within like a year and a week of each other :( sad to see those legends go
Incredible game, great legacy, farewell Elwyn! Thanks for everything
we played a modification of this to teach games theory and optimization principles. learned to change board size, how to work as teams, how the game changes when you try to die. etc.
Doing what he liked right up until the end. Inspiring.
Rest In Peace Elwyn you will be missed! One of my favorite mathematicians!
RIP Elwyn Berlekamp.
He first came to my notice as one of the co-authors of *Winning Ways*, a marvellous resource for combinatorial games and other stuff.
Where’s a good place to find new games like these?
Thanks for that film.
I have always been fond of Elwyn. So sad to know he has passed on. May he rest in peace.
I love the background music as this was going on
Love the music on this video. Can you fire arrows over holes made by arrows? I don't think so but I couldn't figure it out
I prefer the version with a six by six board and one extra square off a corner, for a total of 37 squares. This is called Amazons Prime.
👏👏 very good
Amazing
thanks, i hate it
The only square number where a square OFF the corner makes a prime number is 4 (2 squared), where removing a square is obviously 3, but that would be the shortest playable game possible in Amazons (First player moves into the gap and fires onto the square he vacates, leaving second player unable to move, and thus first player wins). What you actually did is one extra square ON a corner, which does occassionally produce primes, as in the example you cite when n=6.
@@MrDannyDetail i velieve he meant "off of" as a location description not a mathematical function description lol, although i do like reading about maths so thanks for writing that out anyway :P
RIP
Such a beautiful mind & amazing game .
RIP. Fantastic game
What a quiet eloquent gentleman, rest in peace.
this looks like a lot of fun
Interesting game. Playing this on a torus would be amazing
I think you don't need a torus. If you can jump from one side of the board to the opposite side that would be sufficient. Isn't it?
No shady, that would be a sphere
@@MrHyde-fu5sr Actually, pacman is played on a torus, so Shady Radwan is right.
That's also a sphere. The wrap around functionality is the same for both but a torus is much longer along the x axis before wrap around compared to the y axis.
On a sphere, both the x and y axes have equal travel distance before wrap around. Because the board of Amazon's is generally a perfect square, meaning both x and y travel have equal distance till wrap around and sphere is the correct categorization.
@@MrHyde-fu5sr hey there, it cannot be a sphere, actually you cannot transform a 2D square into a 3D sphere. You can transform a square (or a rectangle) into a torus. The dimensions of the torus depends on the ratio between the length and width of the rectangle. Let's have a thought experiment. Pause the video on the board, and imagine rolling it up around the x axis (screen width) and then wrap that tube in the third dimension around the y axis (connecting your ceiling with the floor). Now try moving from one edge to another. You will come in on the same row/column (depending on which edge) on the other side of the board. If it's difficult, try doing it on an actual piece of paper.
"Back in the early days of Amazons they were played by fax" I sorta misunderstood this at first
I still do
Just-in-Time Algebra and Trigonometry for Early Transcendentals Calculus (4th Edition)
Can I get this book pdf please
Seems like a very interesting and pleasant dude. RIP
Thank you so much. 👍
Thanks for teaching me a new game!
Amazing 👍
I would like to see some videos exploring theorems in none standard styles of counting such as dozenal or base 16
This is my father's and my favorite game to play together.
Do you know, then, if there's a multiplayer online version available?
@@felixmerz6229 I don't think there is. I wish!
My condolences.
This is so interesting.
Sorry to hear about Elwyn. RIP
¡Maravillosa Jugada!
It's really quite an odd feeling when you watch a video and realise the person featured has passed on. Rest in Peace, Elwyn Berkelamp.
At university, I took an AI class and in place of a final exam, we split into teams and wrote AIs to play Amazons which then faced off against each other in a round-robin tournament. We named ours C-SHEEN for C-based Search and HEuristic Evaluation of Nodes. It was a very winning AI.
And I was wondering why the title has "final" in it 😔
how might one arrange the 6 Amazons on an 8x8 board? the 28 square perimeter doesn't divide this evenly. Perhaps 1 on each edge and 2 in the center?
However you want probably, I doubt there are any "illegal" starting formations
What a cool game and what a fascinating man.
Can you do a video on the number 1/137 ?
great game!
Losing a combinatorial game to Elwyn Berlekamp is an honor.
Rest In Peace good Sir.
Amazing 🧡. Do you know if there is a app or software for this game?
there is an IOS app for it.
Hunter Clark app name? I don’t find it in the store searching “amazons”
Will miss him
My deepest sympathies
Awesome
looks like a great game for an open AI project
I was researching on minichess just last week! and today I was looking for the name Elwyn and found this! thank you so much for this video. By the way... how do you pronounce Elwyn? Rest in peace Elwyn
Rest in peace, father of polynomials factorization
I’m a bit confused-can arrows be shot through other burning squares?
1:47 - lol
Brady: OK...
Elwyn: Yes.
Brady: Sounds fun!
Elywn: OK Well it is.
Rest in peace my friend.
Ok, here's a question: how many sides does a circle have? I have a theory that a circle has an infinite number of sides. I have 2 reasons for this. 1) you can make a 2 dimensional shape with any number of lines down to 3, but you cannot make a 2-sided shape, anything below 3 is a line, which is 1-dimensional. 2) as regylar polygons increase (decagon, 100-agon, 26000-agon, Tree3-agin, etc) they tend towards a circle unless you draw then the size of the universe. So a shape with an infinite number of sides would be a circle, correct?
Looks like fun. I may give it a go
I'm so sorry! We lost a brilliant mind.... Rest In Peace Elwyn Berlekamp.