Diesel Vapor Carburetor First Rough Run 10-4-2011
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******We were just proving if it can run on vapors then we can deliver it to the engine through a Vapor injector one day.*******
The only way diesel vapors will work it has to be going through the fuel injector for the proper timing. This experiment was just to prove the concept does work going through the intake air stream. This demonstration is not recommended because of the pre-ignition knock that was going on in the demonstration for improper detonation in the chamber.
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At this point we are actually running on the vapors. You can hear the sound of the diesel engine taking in vapors through the air intake stream. It is not the recommended delivery because the timing is not correct for the proper firing. You can hear some pinging sound regarding pre-ignition.
GO TO 16:42 in the video where it is actually running on vapors.
In the beginning of the video with me not being an expert in diesel engines I forgot to turn off the fuel injector pump. Eventually we seen the mistake and then we were running on the diesel vapor carburetor. This was our very first run and we never did this before and you are seeing it for the first time like we are doing for the first time. If there's any mistakes or problems we were seeing it and you are seeing it on video. We are happy with the results and now it is time to fine tune the system. After the video was completed we totally made some major changes getting rid of the flexible cap and change it over to a hard top and more. - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
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Good job Peter, Thanks from the rest of Us.
you guys basically made a hcci engine! thats so cool.
Great demonstration! I also love hearing Rush in the backround.
Diesels are funny. When you use ether, you tend to get pre-ignition knock. A cold diesel tends to have POST-ignition knock. It's not actually post ignition, it's late ignition. That is why you add gasoline in cold weather. The MBZ diesel manual calls for up to 30% gasoline in the old engines. You will eventually want a butterfly somewhere for control. As long as you're having fun and learning something, that is all that matters.
great job keep on experimenting
I have heard of people running diesel engines on woodgas by basically setting the idle speed on the injector pump extra low and adding a throttle body and a gas mixer. The engine still burns some diesel, since it functions as the 'spark' but mostly it runs on woodgas. I don't think it would work with vaporized diesel though, because of preignition. Natural gas is probably the most similar thing to woodgas, but propane might work too.
Amazing that a diesel could run off fumes. Thanks for sharing!
The fuel probably ignites too early, the engine knocks a bit more. But you will surely find a solution to that!
If you could find a natural gas Detroit Diesel Series 60 or a natural gas DT466 you would be able to control the ignition timing as they have spark plugs and the camshafts are much different to prevent pre-ignition. However parts for them are very expensive and hard to come by. Vaporized diesel fuel is quite flammable. Not a good idea to smoke when you are pop testing injectors. Do I think this is more efficient than a common rail fuel system? No. But that is how we learn things. Who cares if you blow up a motor in an old tractor. Or destroy the injectors. This is how stuff gets invented, by trying and possibly failing or succeeding. Don't listen to all these people trying to get you guys down.
This is technically called homogeneous charge compression ignition (HCCI)
Anonarchist elaborate please
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With gasoline you have to use 2 vapors, 1 being gas, the other I'd say water dry fog.
I think some of these injection pumps just move the cam or prevent the pistons from returning so there should be no harm. However the diesel injection is very precisely timed, so by putting it in prematurely you could severely damage your engine, it will detonate much too soon, like pre-ignition. Just like advancing the ignition on a gas engine too far. It will idle but under a load it will detonate
Just what I as thinking. Diesel is injected into the compressed air charge, not drawn in with in as in a petrol engine, in order to control the ignition timing. With a diesel vapour setup, there is way to control how soon before the top of the piston stroke the ignition occurs hence damaging knocking.
A good video to watch is "The diesel Story" air blast injection was used in the past to vaporize the fuel. Neat experiment I'm impressed that you could control it at all.
You guys ever tried using a high frequency atomizer the ones they use to make fog in those little indoor fountains?
Way to go!!!
Find a way to show us the exhaust pipe with it running on diesel VS diesel fumes. We should be able to see a difference.
Keep up the good work!!
Hey guys here is the problem that you run into: Diesel engines as you know run without the spark plugs, the ignition of diesel takes place with high pressure fuel injector pump, so you were injecting diesel fumes to run the engine! How on earth could possibly diesel fumes can ignite with out a spark plug? It's not possible, that was your problem. The guy with a user name below "pvc988" comments said: "This could work on gasoline engine. Running gasoline engine on cheaper Diesel fuel could make sense." He is right, and further more you could "probably" triple your fuel millage. Otherwise your prototype contraption was well done just to prove the point. If you still have the setup, do some test on one cylinder gas engine, lawnmower or a generator, it should run with no problem. Down the road you can even use waste engine oil as fuel "maybe".
When it didn't want to start it was vapor for locking just the same as if you squirted either into the intake on a cold day. Sometimes a diesel will do this. It is no surprise however that it would on disel vapor. Nice concept. You guys are thinking.
I see this video has been up for over 5 years. Was there ever a first smooth run with the engine under load and the fuel use measured? I really would like to see the results.
Fuel evaporation techniques have been experimented with for 130 years, since the start of the development of the petrol/gasoline engine for various uses, and the only successful ones found were for constant speed at constant load type applications. Changes in speed or load required adjustments to the system that were not possible to automate. It was found that a simple carburettor would give superior results, including fuel consumption.
You are continuing to develop this concept perhaps without studying what others have done before you to learn everything possible from them and to ensure that you don't waste time repeating experiments.
In my opinion this will never be satisfactory no matter how complicated and "fine tuned" you make it. Good luck.
I wondered why you did not use the blue handle valve on the clear chamber to lean the mixture. To throttle the system. When it comes to powering the tractor a larger supply will be needed but I'm sure you had that in mind. [ consider a brass cone or fish tank type unit to create bubbles ] The steam is by far the more active of the forces.
Very exciting experiment. I hope it makes better fuel economy. Maybe it works better on gas engine because of lower compression ration.
Many diesels I see have smog/smoke coming off the stack. This one sure is burning clean.
TVO TRACTOR VAPORIZING FUEL was used a lot on farm machinery between the wars and during the war
Is the hot water there for the oil to heat it up ?
What your trying to present is already taking place in a diesel motor. A diesel does not run on liquid fuel in the chamber, it runs on pressure mist of the injector combined with proper air intake compressed by the upstroke of the piston... { thus vapor } to create the explosion in the chamber with proper timing. Your trying to do the internal work of the engine... outside of the engine... THRU the air intake with no way to monitor incoming overfuelling it. I have seen diesels run-a-way and blow on a natural gas leak from a main line leak from a gas well! You guys are lucky you didnt get hurt, or have an explosion!
Nice BGM!
Hello, I think it could run better if you shut the fuel line and hook the diesel fume hose to the fuel injector pump or if you find a way to synchronize diesel fumes and diesel cycle.
Thanks again for sharing !
that awkward moment when you figure out there is no fuel in the combustion chamber until the piston is close to TDC when using an injection pump.
this will never work correctly because your flame ignition timing is uncontrolled. it would be like advancing a gas to 60 before TDC yes it will run and yes you will destroy your engine. both will have to be revved up to compensate for the pre ignition trying to force the engine to spin the opposite way it is going. your 500lb flywheel lets its idle so low. thats why you cant start it very well on the fumes at about the 20:00 mark. not because your battery sucks. listen to the engine when it is starting.
if youre thinking propane works when its injected to make more power it does. propane has an octane rating of around 130. in a diesel it will not detonate without another source of fuel (diesel) the diesel detonates and ignites the propane.
your diesel would run better if you idle the engine on diesel and make fumes out of a fuel that when evaporated still has a very high octane rating.
second, a diesel does not need the air regulated to run. you only have to regulate the fuel source.
hello, my question is, would it be possible to run a gasoline engine with heated diesel steam? have you done any tests with a gasoline engine?
Perhaps the preheated fuel would need to receive less heat by compression to ignite; it would be like a carburetted diesel engine
Interesting experiment! Not that it has viable use, but it is neat to see a diesel vapor carb.. Perhaps with lower compression and some spark plugs (gas Motor) you could run a stationary generator with this setup? Hmmm
Thou can get pre egnition by sucking fumes into air intake as the compression heats the air fuel mixture to point of self ignition. The compression heats to 800 degrees which is above the point of self ignition of diesel
The reason you can't shut the engine off at the beginning of the video i.e. by closing the valve, and even disconnecting the pipe, is because it's running on diesel through the injectors. This is normal until the fuel pump reservoir runs down completely, which is kept topped up for some time by the fuel filter. When I'm troubleshooting my MF35 I often have the fuel tank taken off completely and I can start the engine and run it for about 5 to 10 minutes on and off until it eventually gets air locked. Whether it can run on fumes or not is one thing, however, how are you able to increase the revs by pulling the throttle open when all this is doing is opening the fuel pump, which is supposed to have no fuel in it?
+electric84 This tractor is different. When the valve is shut off it instantly will run out in a matter of a minute or less. It is a valve that runs to the injectors. When the valve is shut it keeps circulating to the tank through the bypass back to the tank and around and around until the valve opens to the injectors.
You could try a kerosene vapor carburetor using a T joint of pipe with a carbon felt of wick going down a tube into a fuel tank. The engine sucks air around or through the wick to make a fuel air mix and just use a spark arrester and an air filter and the wicking fuel system should use about anything that is a pure fuel.
Why not try a vaporizer using a small amount of coolant from the engine to vaporize everclear and that vapor could be ignited with vegetable oils, biodiesel or synthetic diesel fuel?
Or an On-Board Reformer?
Just a couple of good Ideas, I've known both to work, but the second one is MUCH harder to do because either thermochemical or using an em field combined with the right metals, some exhaust gases(egr) and all exhaust heat for ionization or what not......
for all the people complaining it was an experiment, don't shit yourself.
the chance of this system actually working to be more efficient is as about as great as catching a bigfoot.
Only way to not destroy the very expensive high pressure diesel pump is to prevent fuel from tank being used by the injectors so that fuel is returned to the fuel tank always keeping the pump wet. 100% Biodiesel works best for lubrication of the pump. Then this vapor experiment might work. Tractor should be under load for proper test as with any engine test, otherwise you have no clue how much fuel she will use under working conditions. But I totally agree allowing the pump to run dry, not wise.
Evaporators where in Use before Carburetors people where convinced by the industry to run on Liquid Fuel instead of Vapor three things you need Air-pump running off the Engine for Low speed starting, and Heat Pipes coming from the Exhaust and Cooling Jacket for normal operation. also an Intake for the Engine only running through the Fuel. your current system does not give enough Air into the Mix.
Can the diesel vapour used to power a petrol engine?
Nice knocking sound :) You try to force the engine to work like a semi-diesel (hot-bulb) engine, to avoid the knocking have to spray water vapor in intake gallery or to try to reduce the compression ratio of the engine at 1/3 ... 1/4 (the diesel engine have compression ratio to high for your experiment, almost 1/25). The old gasoline engine are more suitable for this experiment, sure you have to change the spark plug with glowplug if you want but at high temp the diesel fuel ignite from spark
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If they took that tractor bqck to the farm they got it from would be a good start, the test bench vaporizer is better suited to experimenting with a Spark ignition lawn mower engine.
This is a good start. I think if you had the intake manifold on a flowbench, you could learn how much volume of air the engine requires. Then you will need to make sure your intake is supplying numbers within this range. Remember that a high compression engine will draw intake air through a major restriction if it is getting proper fuel. However the maximum power may be affected. At idle it would not be noticeable. I think you just need a bigger vapor supply system aswell as far more air.
You will also require a control system because the injector pump throttle will not do anything. The engine will run at the speed you supply the vapor and you are supplying peanuts. That engine takes alot of energy to move its heavy internals and you are trying to run it on a diesel fuel fart with that tiny hose.
Since diesels (like this one in particular) are throttled by fuel not airflow all it would take to find the volume needed would be to multiply the displacement by engine speed.
Good try, Keep going. Thought about trying your vaporized diesel mixture in a gas engine?
Clay
Might need a higher compression ratio and correct timing.
It's not burned up in the engine. It's there to keep the combustion cool. Then is get's burned up in the catalytic converter.
What's Brand is your Tractor?
@pjckac1 The "clanking" can't be fixed. The ignition timing will not be accurate if the diesel runs on fumes (sorry for the redundant comment)
Without the injection pump squirting at the right moment you will have a situation similar to leaving the distributor loose on a gas engine, lots of pinging /backfiring etc. Try piping the mix through a gasoline engine I wanna see if that works, it should.
hi, what are the benefits, or your particular reasoning for using d vapor? cheaper? also, if you're just experiementing to see what the engine will run on, please try coal slurry i've wanted to see a modern d engine running on slurry.
drwombat Have you read the description in the video that answers your question?
+pjckac1 I've read the description and still don't know how can this be useful on this planet? You are describing procedure but not the purpose/benefits.
If diesel vapors can be delivered through the injectors it would burn more efficiently. HHO Gas introduced through the air stream and mix together in the cylinders diesel fuel vapors to be a complete burn reducing the Diesel soot and improve fuel efficiency.
+pjckac1 dont you think someone in car industry already tried that? every one of them is competing in lowering the consumption... there is no "conspiracy theory" reason not to release such engine if it was actually beneficiary. maybe energy needed to evaporate diesel is greater than actual gain in burning vapor?.. or some other intelligent stuff i do not know about... or maintenance of such system is way to complicated or expensive (which i think is the reason they did not put HHO in mass produced vehicles)... bottom line, it is ok to pursue a hobby like that, but i dont think it was not tested by car manufacturers. what do you think?
An easier way to vaporize diesel and gasoline MIGHT be to heat the incoming fuel and heat the fuel right before it goes to the injectors so it turns into vapor like it should instead of particles. I know there are patents that suggest this. Also, limit the fuel by turning down the throtle since it will be like having much more fuel in it since it is a vapor not liquid so the engine doesn't exceed it's RPM limit.
Or you could try HHO instead.
P.S. Where is the gas vapor being fed into the engine ? A fuel line ? I would imagine you could also use the air intake for diesel and gasoline engines if you add some kind of backfire flashback device (check valve) like they use in welding and HHO projects.
If you get it running off the vapor you can't drive nowhere you've got it all hooked up on a table so it doesn't matter if it works or not you can't drive it and use it
It's a given fact that spark ignition engines run cleaner and with considerably reduced wear when operated on "dry" or gaseous fuels, like propane, natural gas, or hydrogen.
I think the target here is to "crack" the liquid fuel into a gaseous state.
Vapor is still a liquid, just in very small droplets.
The conversation of liquid into vapor is a very good step toward a better way to get more and cleaner use of liquid fuel, I feel you'd really get somewhere if you were able to convert into a completely dry, gaseous fuel.
Just my opinion guys, best of luck.
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+هيدروجين الفراعنه Thanks for that...
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EvenStar LoveAnanda Your welcome sir
You are likely to throw a rod doing this, because it ignites in the cylinder way too early due to high compression ratio, that is why it is injected at a precise time normally, to do what you are doing you need to try a spark ignition with much decreaced compression, if you are to avoid smashing your engine.
How is it that your tractor throttle was still working while running off fumes?
How the throttle fuel system works is when you turn it off it goes into bypass putting the fuel back into the tank instead of going to the fuel injectors. Similar to a snow plow pump if you turn the snow plow left and right and it reaches the end of its stroke it sends the hydraulic fluid back into the reservoir. At the beginning of the video, I forgot to turn it off and eventually my friend directed me which way to do it and we were running 100% off the outside fuel delivery system.
I know how a diesel injector pump works, the throttle lever is hooked directly to the injector pump, it’s not like a butterfly in a carburetor, if you can change the rpm of the engine with the throttle lever that means your diesel injection system is still operating with diesel fuel
Do you have any follow-ups or updates to this video
The way we were doing it was through the intake air stream. That was not allowing the diesel the proper ignition timing that you can hear the knock taking place. This Vapor must be delivered through a fuel injector that can handle vapors and deliver it at the proper timing using a spark plug for ignition in a diesel engine.
Or just contaminate the diesel vapor with water vapor, which will adjust the ignition timing. Looks into Stanley Meyer. That's how he got his hydrogen car running.
The ignition timing will not be accurate if the diesel runs on fumes.
Without the injection pump squirting at the right moment you will have a situation similar to leaving the distributor loose on a gas engine, lots of pinging /backfiring etc. Try piping the mix through a gasoline engine I wanna see if that works, I bet it will!
Search "Smokey Yunick's Hot Vapor Fiero". The concept works, and I believe will work with diesel fuel. I do not believe it will work with the Diesel cycle however. The diesel vapor will need a spark event.
+Eric Ross The only way diesel vapors will work it has to be going through the fuel injector for the proper timing. This experiment was just to prove the concept does work going through the intake air stream. This demonstration is not recommended because of the pre-ignition knock that was going on in the demonstration for improper detonation in the chamber.
+pjckac1 it was a very good experiment. I enjoyed the thought and effort.
Thats an interesting point? Would vaporizing diesel fuel change the combustibility of the fuel? Or is this tractor trying to breathe through a straw? I think you need alot more volume.
+Anthony Rybczynski
Agreed (volume)
No as diesel engines will easily run off either.
even if you got this to work practically it would not be economical, I don't have time to educate, but ole Rudy did a dam good job designing the fueling system for the basic diesel even Henric lanz did a good job for his two cycle semi diesel. gentlemen a diesel throttles off a strictly metered amount of fuel not air injected into either the combustion chamber or a pre chamber in an indirect injection model. under thousands of pounds of pressure. I like to tinker but it takes a little more research first. It's not feasible to make a small reliable system like this for a diesel, gas yes hydro yes but not diesel.
a dyno test would be much more singnificative than this idle test
Great job! You are lucky that thing did not start running backwards! Its a good thing you started with an old MF. Adding throttling valve on the intake would help to draw the vapor air in to the engine. This would cool if you used HCCI Homogeneous charge compression ignition.This Takes some very technical calculations to make this work.
It was invented during WWII. Because of the fuel knock it was not investigated tell now
Electronics would make this possible.
The big oil company's and government that is trying to keep us dependent on oil are not going to like this one bit . Be ready to have your business audited by the IRS and what ever other tactics they use to stop your progress. Keep up the good work. Remember share with others because you will never get a patent.
MECHANICAL FUEL PUMP with decompresser you don't see ? The tractor engine stops by puling the decompresser cable, don't have electro-valve on pump. OLD Style :)
OK using your logic if 1 gallon equals 128 ounces 20% would be 25.6 ounces and this would make a car that gets 20 miles to a gallon actually get 100 miles to a gallon because 25.6 ounces times five equals 128 ounces or 1 gallon. This also means that 102.4 ounces of gas goes into your catalyst converter.
how come the 'throttle' still controls the engine speed? Diesel engines have NO throttle plate, are always wide open to the atmosphere, the throttle works by adjusting the amount of fuel injected by the pump.
This is not fully correct. Many diesels have throttle plates consider the international 6.4, some cummins engines etc.
You are right that this one would not have a throttle plate. Its speed is regulated by the injection pump.
the throttle plate your referring to was so that these engines could pull a vacuum to aid in egr flow. at least in the 6.4.
you can remove this throttle plate and it will not change the way the engine runs.
aberr el diesel no esta capacitado para este tipo de inyecion,demaciado esplosivo y la bonba de inyecion origina q ,, al trabajar seca podria sufrir daños internos debido a la falta de lubricacion
so did you shut the pump off then
Yes we did. We did shot of the mechanical fuel pump flow and allow the fuel to recirculate back into the fuel tank creating a recirculation loop instead of going into the injectors. It is not recommended to run diesel vapors through the air supply because the timing is not correct. We did this demonstration to prove that it is possible to run on vapors.
TVO TRACTORS were petrol sart up but swapped over to TVO when warm i am wondering if that is the reason for it running rough TVO tractors are just petrol ones with a swap over carb they use a spark plug to ignite the TVO vapor
I can hear the lathe running
What is the point of doing this. Other than burning off the tips of the injectors now that there is no fuel cooling them.
There are 2 major problems i can see first u will have one hell of a hard time getting that all on the tractor sec i have run a diesel on wood gas but u still need to have some lube in the motor by how its made. what we did is set it to ideal only than used the woodgas for everything over ideal. We used veg oil for the ideal also for lube truck was run for 20k miles no problems so far. With only vapor if u let that motor run for more than 5 min say 3hrs it will be dead i know!
What its the point ? Al that stuff to make a old diesel go With al this stuff. Take old engine oil and preaheat it to 150 C degres (heater coil in the tank) It will run just fine. Best reagards from Norway (its Cold here and it Works and are free)..
I command you on daring :-)
This could work on gasoline engine. Running gasoline engine on cheaper Diesel fuel could make sense.
pvc would have higher btu/power output as well
The diesel engine is a compression ignition solid injection oil engine. The injection point controls the burn start so if you turn off the metering pump you have no control you have also lost control of speed. Oil engines need to be governed. Spark ignition engines are fundamentally different controlling the burn start with a spark. You could try a spark ignition engine but there is little point the oil engine is still very efficient at 35-40% thermally efficient. Short answer this will not work
I bet it won't run without glow plugs on
It would probably freaking help if you had a competent assistant to open the valve at the fucking tractor
Really, whats the point!
There is a reason why diesel engines use injectors, instead of a carburettor.
This is seriously damaging to the Perkins diesel engine - and you won't even save fuel with this setup.
However, there is a good chance that you can run a petrol / gasoline engine of the heated diesel vapors - now that would be interesting to see!
fyi if theres diesel in the pump its gonna lube
the theory is cool but this isnt practical, because how would it work for real life use? you cant take all this stuff around to use the tractor
people laugh at the beginning of any breakthrough
Check out my Diesel vapor bubbler on here
What is the point ? Diesel engine is quit simply and you guys are trying to complicate .
wheres yr r2d2 robot
Way too many armchair engineers in the comment section lmao!
how to adjust the timing on a compression ignition engine running on fuel vapor? you can do it by adjusting the compression ratio but your engine doesn't have that option... sorry to be critical but it's kinda a dumb an dumber experiment...
interesting , not a happy running engine on fumes. it only works, put that engine under load , it would fail. no way to time the ignition of fuel for any kinda efficient use of power
Word of advice. Plug air cleaner on diesel. Suck your atmosphere through your system. Bet it'll work mo betta!
So, you're running on diesel fume uhh ? Guess you don't know too much ? You forgot to disconnect the fuel supply to the injector pump.
What if you guys used gasoline vapor instead of diesel vapor?
Michael Christy if you would use "gasoline vapor" in a diesel you would wreck the engine.
I cant se any advantage of this what so ever. The injectors do this exact same thing!
well even the high pressure pump is mechanical but that does not mean your safe when your running it dry without fuel, it scores the little pistons very quickly. After you pay upwards of $2,500.00 or more to rebuild the pump you might wish you tried another approach even for a short test run. Running diesels out of fuel is a big big no no, don't even gamble with it, unless you have unlimited funds to run your experiments with...Hey is your name Uncle Sam by any chance?
In a Gasoline engine, the fuel is vaporised completly during the compression stroke. There is no excess fuel as i understant you are saying, If there really is excess fuel it is only minor, and only because you have a wrong mixture and running rich....80% liquid not burning?.. I'm sorry that's absurd
and your point is????
@Kntryhart ... just so you know, Peter Doesn't Lie. If he says its diesel, it IS diesel. Your comment Makes all of us Question your agenda.!
Just what is it that you Really want to say. ?
DONT HEAT THE DIESEL AND USE THE PRESSURE PUMP AS A VACUUM PUMP AND MAINTAIN 15 INCHES OF VACUUM ON THE DIESEL AND INJECT THE ICE CRYSTALS INTO THE ENGINE YOU GUYS ARE RUNNING LEAN
I could give you a secret that you are missing and it is not the timing. I hold four patents on fuel vaporization
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17:49 that is pure detonation right there haha
any diesel engine will work off fumes(petrol or diesel fumes) what are you trying to prove????
give it a bloody good rev running on the fumes and see what happens hahaha i know what would happen ----- bend rods much hahaha or how about break off the piston skirts hahaha
can be very interesting to see or hear
Outside of diesel engines, you need to understand Cyrogenics. Engines can run on natural gas, propane, even butane... because their boiling point is well below -32 F. Mother nature does the work of boiling them into vapor. How would you first boil diesel fuel into vapor efficiently? That would take an energy source in itself? God bless you for thinking, but I just dont see it happening.
Timothy S You use the waste heat from the radiator and engine exhaust to preheat the fuel. Duh!
Joe Schmoe You couldn't get it hot enough... fast enough . And how you gonna start it on vapor if there is no vapor because it's not running yet to build the heat to make the vapor? Your talking about perpetual motion! Thus ... you need an outside source... and by the time you put it all together its gonna be the size of a freakin' house! Not a very smart statement Schmoe.
Joe Schmoe That would be like tryin' to boil a pot of water with a Bic lighter. Not happening !... uh... Einstein!
Timothy S Need I remind you what happens when you inject used motor oil directly into the exhaust pipe? Motor oil has a much higher boiling point than diesel.
Joe Schmoe So... You do need an outside source JUST to get the vapor going? More expense, more cost, less efficient, and throw it on the pile of all the other stuff. Your painting a picture of something trying to make it down the road with 10 guys running along side of it with spay bottles of flammable liquids trying to keep it going without getting ran over. Just tryin' to get down to your level. I think my prior statements were a little too complex for you.