I currently owned a few 507c x2's,509T....& I've never had one with this issue. I will continue to use holosun...except, now I will buy locally so I can visually inspect it before I take it home....
I have 3 508T's that are a few years old and have been perfect from day one with thousands of rounds through them. I just recently purchased another 508T along with an EPS and an EPS carry for 3 other pistols. The EPS carry is direct mount on a 365XL and its no where even close to zeroed. I actually had to add 4 layers of tape under the front to get it where it needed to be. Next the new 508T which is on a shadow 2 compact using a Impact Machine plate is 3 inches low POI VS POA with the elevation maxed out. Sadly I shipped the full size EPS along with my DWX compact to Impact Machine for slide milling and mounting so no telling how that will turn out. As of right now 2 of the 3 new Holosun optics are getting returned, hopefully it wont be 3. Ive been a Holosun fan boy but that may now change. Everyone has a dud now and then but what I just dealt with over the last week is possible reason to change my way of thinking.
I have a dozen holosun products between rifle and pistol optics and I’ve had a 90% positive experience. I’ve had a send a few back but the replacements have been 100%.
Thank you for this vid. I’m still going to chance it with Holosun due to their pricing, however, I’m going to do it through either Brownells or Amazon since they have good return policies. I’m leaning towards the 509T since it’s fully enclosed. Also, it would have been cool if you held your optic close up to the camera so we could better see the canted reticle.
Brownells or Amazon - both great options. I actually tried while filming, but the dot/reticle was too tiny to see at a distance that I could get the camera to focus properly.
Got mine in yesterday (Amazon).. Mounted it up with no issues. Seems to be good. Appreciate the video. I will be cautious buying in the future. I was under the impression that Holosun had a good customer service reputation.
@@sousvideforlife491 When I BUY one,I'll BUY it from a vendor who has history on Amazon. I've BOUGHT quite a few optics from Amazon, friends and family have BOUGHT optics too, with no BUYING issues.
Wow. Sounds like you got a lemon, dude. Your ordeal is pretty incredible. I can only speak from my sample size of one: recently got a 508T (had it for about 3-4 weeks now) and the reticle is perfectly aligned- -- super sharp, crisp with very clear glass. I would also add that the build quality, fit and finish are on par (if not better) than my Trijicon RMRs and Eotechs. Came back from a 2 day training course and it performed flawlessly (so far- knock wood). Hope you get yours sorted.
Man I am super surprised with what they told you, for my first pistol optic I went with the RMR but with the Holosun 509T having such great reviews I was thinking about grabbing one for my next carry pistol......your situation has me thinking otherwise now. Great video again man!
Appreciate the feedback! I was just as surprised. I thought the world of Holosun as a brand prior to the three 508T X2's I tried. I've probably had worse luck than most, but I'd honestly think long and hard about it if I were you.
Same with me. Went with rmr first and 507c second. Was thinking this would be my third pistol optic but heard weird things about 508 and 509. Trijicon is amazing but damn that dollar. Might just get another 407, 507
I very recently purchased the 508T-GR X2 Series, from Brownells as well. Upon watching this video I took out my unit out of the box to see if mine suffers from the same problem. I was pleasantly surprised that the hash marks that are off for you happen to be exactly true, vertical or horizontal, i.e. exactly on the spot at the 3, 6, 9, 12 positions. Maybe I lucked out, perhaps some units are less perfect than others. I am hoping the hash marks will stay as they are after mounting the sight and using the gun. On the other hand, one small area the black anodizing did not properly cover the Titanium frame, but is small enough and not really noticeable that I am willing to live with it. I guess that's what you get for the lower price than the Trijicon.
I have a astigmatism and I have at least 5 Holosun products. That said there is a fairly new company called Swamp fox, Liberty RMR .The red dot is really crisp and I do not have the starburst effect as with the Holosun. I have been using it on my Glock and as of this date no problems. Another great benefit is their 30% off the price if you register with their web site. It has the same benefits as the 507C 2X with the exception of the solar capabilities.
Hey you are telling the truth I’ve order 2 threw Amazon and have had the same issue also with glue blocking the lens I called them and had a Holosun rep tell me it’s within spec luckily I order threw Amazon and sent them back I switched to the 509t and have a good experience I noticed my 509t is a older manufacturing date pre COVID and the quality control seemed better but differently will be watch out for their products cause I carry this to protect myself and family they need better quality
Glad to hear that your 509T worked out. You might be onto something with the older manufacturing date. I have a feeling all of the 508's being shipped now are recent production.
You can easily measure this by placing the optic on a level surface and look at a target that's has a long vertical or horizontal line(s) that's also level like a plumb bob or just a paper target that's been leveled. Scope installers do this all the time with magnified optics. You can take a photo and show to Holosun you are measuring X degrees off axis and get a proper replacement. I mean you shouldn't ideally have to do that but if you can you should.
That's a great idea, thanks for sharing. I ended up getting the refund from Brownells, but if I do buy another Holosun and run into this issue again, I'll give it a try. Any tips on getting the camera to focus properly? I'd imagine it might be a struggle to bring both the reticle and target into focus in the same shot
@@graycattactical1614 Actually the reticle is set to focus pretty far out due to the nature of the collimated lens so your eyes can see it against a target. So the same applies for a camera as well. What will be out of focus is the optic housing itself just like how it would be when you look through it with your eyes. I wouldn't try to do this on a live range. Doing it in your garage or driveway would be much easier.
Honestly all manufacturers have some products that slip through the cracks that are defective but the issue here is the customer service, very surprise that the customer service responded in the way they did!
You're absolutely right. I think the faulty reticle wouldn't be as big of a deal if they simply owned up to it or increased their own standard for what is deemed "normal". I still hope that they continue to grow and improve over time.
@@graycattactical1614 hopefully they address their customer service because if they got big headed due to them growing so much, they might lose a lot of customers.
@@awokeone7997 if anything, I'd guess they just let things slip as they had a harder time managing the sheer volume of sales. But like you said, it's not a good look to make those sales if you can't handle em.
@@graycattactical1614 you should opt out for the 509t if you can. Better and glass is very clear with a crisp reticle. I have the 507c first 1gen, 2nd and the 507k big buttons.
@@awokeone7997 according to their customer service, all of the multi-reticle optics should be expected to have that same tolerance for the canted reticle. Who knows, maybe I'll try for a 5th time after I'm less bitter about this thing 😂
I just got mine with no issues. There is no excuse though to have it off center, it should be replaced immediately. You shouldn't be question etc. From my understanding Holosun was sued by Trijicon, maybe it was during that time period.
Glad to hear it! It seems like I may just have extraordinarily bad luck with these haha. You may be right, though. Maybe they've had a hard time keeping up with production since then.
I've owned 8 Holosuns and 1 Trijicon RMR. The only one that defective was the Trijicon! Two of my Holosun's were 508T's and after 5 years they are still going strong....and I have not put a new battery in either one of them yet!!
Beautiful Sacramento Kings hat😏💜🩶 amazing video! Just purchased a 507c ACSD Vulcan, and I’ll see how they turn out, but I got a discount at only $260 for it, so we’ll see!
If you're going to try to run with the big dogs, your quality control needs to be dialed in. Otherwise they will lose the market they enjoy . . . except very few of the other manufacturers have the green reticle. Great video, Sir!
I've got two Holosun 509t's and they both work great... going by my local GS today and picking up a Holosun 507c for my Staccato C2 DPO... after watching your vid I'll definitely double check the optic closely before finalizing my purchase. May end up getting and RMR if the 507c is like your examples. Hopefully Holosun get's their sh't together as reputation is crucial in the Gun/Optics/Shooting industry!!
Glad to hear the 509's are working out for you! I was strongly considering one for another build before all this haha. I'm rooting for Holosun to improve, but time will tell.
@@graycattactical1614 picked up a 507c at lunch... looked it over b4 buying and it appears good. Or at least good enough my eyes couldn't pick up any optic cant. The 509t looks odd at first... but goes well and functions great on my G40 and B&T Apc9. If you can grab one from CWPS at their discounted prices I'd highly recommend!
Me and my brother ordered the Holosun 508t green dot. My brother got a good one. I was unlucky and got a bad one. I saw this review before I made the order. It is what it is.
@@graycattactical1614 I ended up cancelling my order and went with the 507C ACSS Vulcan reticle version. It seems to be pretty straight! So I got lucky...
Holosun QC is still not there at the moment, depending on the batch you could be lucky or end up with a lemon! QC should not be reflective of the product but more the manufacturing facility and the conditions in which a company chooses to build its products.
Subbed just because of this video. I agree whole hearted. Holosun has gotten so much exposure that they don't care about the little stuff or better yet, the little guy anymore. I've got my own H.S. 508t story... Americans want top quality, great durability, at an "affordable" price. Deliver on that consistently AND be willing to fix the small issues people are having, then they get brand loyalty. We need more honest community reviews and pew tubers. Two thumbs up 👍🏿👍🏿
Appreciate the sub! Sorry to hear you had a bad experience as well. You're absolutely right. I'm honestly rooting for them because they're the first real competition Trijicon has had for market dominance. That sort of competition should force all companies to innovate and improve. Holosun's gotta do better if they hope to be around for the long term.
@@graycattactical1614 I've had both neutral and good experience with H.S. so I'm not downing them too much. I just think they should clear up these small issues people are having like yours. I too am rooting for them. The 507c was my first dot and I wish I never sold it haha. The truth will get out eventually. I'm not disregarding the shear cutting edge tech but 200-400 is still a lot to pay for chunk of metal, circuits, and some glass. Price comparison, that's a grocery bill, light bill, insurance, etc... for many.
I have a 508T on my edc pistol and a 512C on my rifle. I train with and beat the crap out of both guns every week and have had zero issues with either optic. I even won a pistol competition with my 508T. Holosun's have been nothing but durable, reliable and awesome for me
My first pistols going to be CZ Shadow 2, not sure what type of optic to put on it, I have a stigmatism, and very poor vision in one eye fat matters. it's only for the range. I don't want to spend $700 on an optic but I'm looking for a good bang for my buck. You know I think the lesson here is you can spend more money on a quality product or spend still a lot of money and get a cheaply constructed product. I always prefer to spend a little more and not regret it. You made a great video thank you
Very nice choice for a first pistol! It's a great gun especially if you ever consider getting into competing. Shadow 2's and 2011's rule carry optics division. Thanks for watching!
Super bummer to see this issue, pandemic times hopefully was the issue for lack of QC I just got my Unit from @TACRIG and it is beautiful. Solid clean and straight reticle. I was watching your video in fear of my package arrival 😄 Cheers!
I recently had to return 3 508s. One had terrible lens coating and there was something wrong with the emitter. The second had material missing around the battery housing that looked like something went wrong in the casting process and the glass looked like a funhouse mirror. The third had the emitter lens crack after 80 rounds of 9mm. It's clear to me the move to use titanium, while it may be more durable, is causing a lot of manufacturing problems as it is inherently more difficult to both cast and machine. Not to mention more expensive. Which is why I would theorize that Holosun is possibly selling QC rejects/refurbs to retailers to avoid taking massive losses since this seems to be priced well below what one would expect it to cost given these challenges. I can't imagine a world where a Trijicon pistol optic made of titanium wouldn't cost around $1000 or more, which is probably why they've stuck with forged aluminum given it has proven to be plenty durable.
I have some manufacturing/engineering experience and I can confirm that the price difference between Al and Ti is significant. That said, total material cost for either in the size of an optic is just a tiny fraction of their price. Your experience seems to be par for the course unfortunately. Whatever the case may be, I really hope they improve QC quickly. If not, trijicon may no longer have the competition to drive their innovation.
I have a 508T V2 and it has been solid for me. I have slight astigmatism. However I just run the single dot reticle. I looked at my ring and it appears dead on. Then again I have astigmatism so....probably isn't worth much 😂.
Glad to hear yours is going strong! My understanding of astigmatism is that it affects each of us slightly differently. Two people with the same prescription may still see a different image when viewing that target/dot through the objective lens. If you've found a setup that works well for you, that's all you can ask for!
Anecdotally, I haven't seen any Holosun pistol dots with canted reticles. Granted, everyone I know who runs one just uses the regular dot reticle. I have, however, had to RMA a Holosun ACSS Rifle dot with a reticle that was easily 5+ degrees canted, though this was a couple years ago.
I'm sure my luck was worse than most, but it's not reassuring to hear how often this seems to happen. I still think they produce good stuff at a reasonable price point, but I wish they'd keep a closer eye on the QC.
I agree, what people don't understand is that Chinese manufacturers build products to spec of the parent company. If the company allows for lax specs that falls on them too.
Out of 5 total Holosun optics, I've had one that functioned the way it was supposed to. Like I said, I could just have extraordinarily bad luck. It really seems like Holosun QC has low standards.
Mine was bought on Amazon and has the same problem, exchanged for a new one and had no problem. They need to work on their QA. Advise is to buy it from a platform that take returns easily.
Do the adjustments still move the reticle normally, or is it at an angle following the cant of the reticle? It still sucks but that would be much worse.
Holosun introduced this problem in design by adding the four tiny hash lines at 12:00, 3:00, 6:00 and 9:00. Without those, any reticles rotated "out of tolerance" would be a non-issue. No excuses for cracked glass or sloppily-applied sealants, however.
Their quality control is definitely bad. I've had some with sloppy glue jobs and had one with the button labels put on backwards so up turned down the brightness and vice versa. The lesson is pay a bit more and buy Holosun from a reputable retailer with a generous return policy so you don't have to wait 1-2 months to get a working one from the manufacturer.
Thanks for the video I appreciate the info I was just getting ready to actually put money down on one, now after watching your video if Holosun really doesn’t care about their quality assurance, then I’ll probably start looking somewhere else.
I did not have that problem on my 508T but it is the newer green dot. I only noticed some imperfection/excess glue or something on the solar panel corner. Also, maybe just me, but my HF did get better on the 508T-G compared to my RMR. I only wanted to try the Holosun but it is staying on my Shadow 2 OR now.
My 508T is canted, the 508TV2 is straight, 507K V2 is normal, 509T is normal.... I don't use the big circle so I don't bother sending the 508T back... and yes order thru Brownells, their lifetime optic warranty would take them back no question asked.
Lol I just got my 508t x2 today. It came missing the mount, screws, spots missing the finish on the left side. Also the optic was turned on. I don't know if they shipped it like this from the factory or someone swapped it out at the warehouse.
Holosun did say they'd stop shipping their optics with the pic mount this year, but I don't think they mentioned omitting the screws and parts of the finish lol. Sounds like someone screwed up. Sorry that you've got to deal with this mess.
@@graycattactical1614 yeah it's pretty messed up. What gets me was that the optic was already on when it came out of the box. And the finish seems worn only on the side with the controls...aka the body side for a right handed shooter.
@@graycattactical1614 Kenzie's Optics...because I was trying to avoid all the counterfeits and shady things just like this. Was yours turned on straight out of the box?
@@emknight84 no. I've bought 4 holosuns in the past few months. None were powered on when I unboxed them. All four had the issue described in this video though.
I originally got an RMR because that seems to be top of the line. My astigmatism just couldn't tolerate it. Tried a holosun and it's a near perfect dot so that's what I'm rolling with.
I got very first OG 508t that was the first titanium option. Atleast 10k rounds through it with an AK. I cannot say nothing bad about it. I needed a second one. So I picked up this model. We will see how it goes
That’s such a bummer man. I can’t believe that they’re saying that’s okay to send off optics with that much variance in the dot. I could see it being a degree or 2 off, fine, but that sucks so bad. I just got a 508Tx2 and mine is, at least to my eye, 100% perfect. I’ve come to trust them as well, but now I’m going to have to be skeptical. I appreciate the honest review/update.
Sure is. I'd only had good experiences with them up to this point. Since filming this video I've actually bought and returned 2 others for similar issues. If you can get one that functions properly, I still think it's a solid product. It's just a shame that their QC nosedived so hard.
@@Ep16709 I’ve been running mine since a couple days after my original comment, and my 508t has held zero, dot looks crisp, no cant on the circle dot reticle, and I’ve racked my slide by slamming the dot against wooden tables and other “barricades” while training and it’s held fine. Glass is still perfect, body is barely scuffed from the abuse. I have a few holosuns and they’ve all been great 🤷🏼♂️ maybe I’m just lucky
Just found your videos, looking at potential red dots. Could be stupid question but did you check with your other eye? For me my eye that has worse astigmatism (right) rotates any type of cross hair site a little bit but when compared to my left eye it straightens out. Just food for thought it may be the astigmatism :-/
I just received mine from Amazon and it was tilted to the left by about 2 degrees. I called Holosun and they confirmed that 2 degrees tilt is within normal limits. So I returned it to Amazon and ordered a new one. Fortunately, the second one is dead on straight, so the good news is you can order again and hope for a good one. I agree that Holosun should not be allowing this though. Reflects poorly on them. I think they should just make a version without the hash marks, just have a plain circle and dot. Then this problem wouldn’t exist.
I have heard about trijicon having bad units shipped out from the factory as well. The warrior poet has a video out about his issues with his RMR. It can happen with any optic not just holosun. I have several holosun red dots and they have all been great.
I’ll throw you a sub mah Asian brother. Keep up the good work! I was thinking about diving into the holosun world but i think I’m going to get another rmr.
Mines the exact same. About 4-5 degrees turned. It's highly annoying. I'm just running the dot but for a 300 dollar optic it sucks you can't really use the 32moa one.
I'm lucky the local shop had a few 507k's. They take them out of the box and set them on top of the box for you to check them out. they also have better prices than online shops. I bought a 507k for my GF and I.
Had almost identical customer service issues with Steiner and the MPS. My MPS died (no dot) within 30 days and 650 9mm round count. I will not go with Steiner anymore.
Man that sucks you’ve had so many issues. I’ve been using Holosuns since 2018 & haven’t had any issues. All of my pistol red dots are Holosun (507c, 507k & 508t) & they’ve been solid & reliable. Brownell’s is a great company, most of the gear I buy comes from them or Primary Arms. PA has really great customer service as well.
My 509T i noticed this but its barely rotated a degree so it didnt bother me, didnt know other optics had this issue the biggest issue i noticed is the optic plate rusting
To be fair im a maniac who runs 15 miles ish in tropical heat almost daily while carrying but its the only part of the gun that rusts this badly in spite of being wiped down thoroughly
@@joeschmo5403 sounds like we'd get along. What are you training for? For parts that don't need long term abrasion resistance, cerakote might be the way to go. Not sure if they're using nitride, black oxide, etc. but many of those "coatings" work by increasing the metal's affinity for oil. When you oil the parts they hold onto that oil. Cerakote is like paint but a bit more resilient. It can wear away if it's constantly hitting/rubbing other hard surfaces, but it actually creates a barrier on top of the metal to protect from moisture.
Used to be a competitive runner im out of shape but trying to get my old body back lol i was thinking of ceracote my guns slide is nitrided and it seems to work well
I have the 507c in green. Took it to the range and somewhere between 0 and 2nd mag it lost the rubber cover over the + - buttons making it no longer water resistant and exposed chip. I waited 4 mo th for this crap to deliver and it’s too late to return. To measure your rotation, hold the dot where it’s square then measure how far the sight is angled.
That's awful to hear. Any chance the retailer would still accept a return? The issue with measuring the rotation is that the reticle isn't completely symmetrical with respect to center. Even if I told Holosun an exact measurement, they would insist it was within spec.
My first 507k on my 365 xl was canted slightly like yours, they actually replaced it without question. I have the 508 on my shadow systems now and it’s been good. I honestly prefer holosun over trijicon I hate to say that but I feel like they just have better restocked and clarity to me.
Mine is probably 1 degree off. Do you know the manufacturing process? Do you know what it takes to get an emitter like this to be manufactured in a way that it’s at a perfect 0 degree? I personally do not. But there isn’t really anyone else making this type of reticle like this. Maybe them being a degree or 2 off just comes with the territory
Your content is superb and far above the vast majority of the rest , you deserve a lot more subs.
I currently owned a few 507c x2's,509T....& I've never had one with this issue. I will continue to use holosun...except, now I will buy locally so I can visually inspect it before I take it home....
Smart man. Thanks for the input!
Yeah me either ordering this one today.
I'll look for the issue. Also there 399 on Amazon still tempting to get the trijicon at 450.
Zeroing the optic would be interesting AF, so yeah I’d take the zero on that noise. Goodbye Holosun hello again trijicon lol
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When you pointed the gun at the camera I put my hands up and screamed “don’t shoot!!!”
Now you have me considering Trijicon again.
you are the first reviewer to mention having an astigmatism when using a red dot sight
I have 3 508T's that are a few years old and have been perfect from day one with thousands of rounds through them. I just recently purchased another 508T along with an EPS and an EPS carry for 3 other pistols. The EPS carry is direct mount on a 365XL and its no where even close to zeroed. I actually had to add 4 layers of tape under the front to get it where it needed to be. Next the new 508T which is on a shadow 2 compact using a Impact Machine plate is 3 inches low POI VS POA with the elevation maxed out. Sadly I shipped the full size EPS along with my DWX compact to Impact Machine for slide milling and mounting so no telling how that will turn out. As of right now 2 of the 3 new Holosun optics are getting returned, hopefully it wont be 3. Ive been a Holosun fan boy but that may now change. Everyone has a dud now and then but what I just dealt with over the last week is possible reason to change my way of thinking.
I have a dozen holosun products between rifle and pistol optics and I’ve had a 90% positive experience. I’ve had a send a few back but the replacements have been 100%.
Thank you for this vid. I’m still going to chance it with Holosun due to their pricing, however, I’m going to do it through either Brownells or Amazon since they have good return policies. I’m leaning towards the 509T since it’s fully enclosed. Also, it would have been cool if you held your optic close up to the camera so we could better see the canted reticle.
Brownells or Amazon - both great options.
I actually tried while filming, but the dot/reticle was too tiny to see at a distance that I could get the camera to focus properly.
You can buy a Trigicon RMR for the same price lmao
@@josephhollis6409 MSRP for a 509T is 500, msrp for a 3.5 moa RMR type 2 is 699. literally the only thing the rmr has going for it is looks
@@FriendOxygen625 where is this RMR $699 jeez, i can find them 469 shipped most places
@@DLAC000 "MSRP"
Street price for either is lower than the given MSRP.
Thanks for the review. I was gonna get the 508t, but after this im looking at the 507c.
I have this same exact optic. Mine seems to be working just fine and haven't had any issues as of yet.
Glad to hear! Where did you get yours?
@@graycattactical1614 I purchased on www.triarcsystems.com/product/holosun-he508t-rd-x2/ but it looks like they are on backorder at the moment.
Got mine in yesterday (Amazon).. Mounted it up with no issues. Seems to be good. Appreciate the video. I will be cautious buying in the future. I was under the impression that Holosun had a good customer service reputation.
What vendor on Amazon did you purchase your 508T X2 from?
@@sousvideforlife491 I got a 507C-X2 from T&A LLC and a 508T X2 from Defence Only
@@sousvideforlife491 When I BUY one,I'll BUY it from a vendor who has history on Amazon. I've BOUGHT quite a few optics from Amazon, friends and family have BOUGHT optics too, with no BUYING issues.
Your self intro sold me on a subscription 💯💯
Thank you!
Thanks for pointing this quality issue out. Agree with and understand your standpoint… good video, cheers
Appreciate the kind words!
If you can see it, it's more than 2 degrees. I hope it works out for you.
I'd have to agree. Unfortunately, the best resolution I could get was a refund from Brownells.
Price is what you pay, value is what you get.
I was considering Holosun, they have been removed from the list. Thank you for saving me from any potential hassle.
Wow. Sounds like you got a lemon, dude. Your ordeal is pretty incredible. I can only speak from my sample size of one: recently got a 508T (had it for about 3-4 weeks now) and the reticle is perfectly aligned- -- super sharp, crisp with very clear glass. I would also add that the build quality, fit and finish are on par (if not better) than my Trijicon RMRs and Eotechs. Came back from a 2 day training course and it performed flawlessly (so far- knock wood). Hope you get yours sorted.
Good video, thanks. I have mine on order and should receive it in a couple of days. Now I’m worried about their quality control. 😢
Man I am super surprised with what they told you, for my first pistol optic I went with the RMR but with the Holosun 509T having such great reviews I was thinking about grabbing one for my next carry pistol......your situation has me thinking otherwise now. Great video again man!
Appreciate the feedback! I was just as surprised. I thought the world of Holosun as a brand prior to the three 508T X2's I tried. I've probably had worse luck than most, but I'd honestly think long and hard about it if I were you.
@@graycattactical1614 i have one and love it!
@@Gunny11795 glad yours worked out!
Same with me. Went with rmr first and 507c second. Was thinking this would be my third pistol optic but heard weird things about 508 and 509. Trijicon is amazing but damn that dollar. Might just get another 407, 507
I very recently purchased the 508T-GR X2 Series, from Brownells as well. Upon watching this video I took out my unit out of the box to see if mine suffers from the same problem. I was pleasantly surprised that the hash marks that are off for you happen to be exactly true, vertical or horizontal, i.e. exactly on the spot at the 3, 6, 9, 12 positions. Maybe I lucked out, perhaps some units are less perfect than others. I am hoping the hash marks will stay as they are after mounting the sight and using the gun. On the other hand, one small area the black anodizing did not properly cover the Titanium frame, but is small enough and not really noticeable that I am willing to live with it. I guess that's what you get for the lower price than the Trijicon.
I have a astigmatism and I have at least 5 Holosun products. That said there is a fairly new company called Swamp fox, Liberty RMR
.The red dot is really crisp and I do not have the starburst effect as with the Holosun. I have been using it on my Glock and as of this date no problems. Another great benefit is their 30% off the price if you register with their web site. It has the same benefits as the 507C 2X with the exception of the solar capabilities.
I'm intrigued. I'll have to check em out!
I run a Trijicon RMR and have had zero problems so far. You pay for perfection...
Man that sucks. I dont even touch my RMR anymore, I only run my two Holosuns. Im going to triple check from now on. Thanks man excellent video
Hey you are telling the truth I’ve order 2 threw Amazon and have had the same issue also with glue blocking the lens I called them and had a Holosun rep tell me it’s within spec luckily I order threw Amazon and sent them back I switched to the 509t and have a good experience I noticed my 509t is a older manufacturing date pre COVID and the quality control seemed better but differently will be watch out for their products cause I carry this to protect myself and family they need better quality
Glad to hear that your 509T worked out. You might be onto something with the older manufacturing date. I have a feeling all of the 508's being shipped now are recent production.
Man I’m glad you made this video the last 2 holosun sights I purchased where canted.
I've been hearing that a lot. Sorry to hear that yours suffered the same fate.
Thank you for being down to earth
Thanks for the kind words!
I often lead moving animals with the 3 oclock and 9 oclock "dashes" with my Holosun 510c green. So yeah they need to be "clocked" properly.
Never even thought of that technique, but just one more reason that the product ought to work as advertised.
I own 8 holosuns currently. I have had 2 that I have sent back for battery issues, each time they have taken care of me in a timely manner.
That's great/promising to hear. I'm not completely writing them off after all this.
You could easily line it up with a vertical line and see what angle the base is off to find what degree it’s off
All of mine are a bit off that's why I just use the dot only.. So I feel you on this. Also a reason what all my newer holosuns have the ACSS.
You can easily measure this by placing the optic on a level surface and look at a target that's has a long vertical or horizontal line(s) that's also level like a plumb bob or just a paper target that's been leveled. Scope installers do this all the time with magnified optics. You can take a photo and show to Holosun you are measuring X degrees off axis and get a proper replacement. I mean you shouldn't ideally have to do that but if you can you should.
That's a great idea, thanks for sharing. I ended up getting the refund from Brownells, but if I do buy another Holosun and run into this issue again, I'll give it a try. Any tips on getting the camera to focus properly? I'd imagine it might be a struggle to bring both the reticle and target into focus in the same shot
@@graycattactical1614 Actually the reticle is set to focus pretty far out due to the nature of the collimated lens so your eyes can see it against a target. So the same applies for a camera as well. What will be out of focus is the optic housing itself just like how it would be when you look through it with your eyes. I wouldn't try to do this on a live range. Doing it in your garage or driveway would be much easier.
Have 2 holsun products. So far excellent!
Honestly all manufacturers have some products that slip through the cracks that are defective but the issue here is the customer service, very surprise that the customer service responded in the way they did!
You're absolutely right. I think the faulty reticle wouldn't be as big of a deal if they simply owned up to it or increased their own standard for what is deemed "normal". I still hope that they continue to grow and improve over time.
@@graycattactical1614 hopefully they address their customer service because if they got big headed due to them growing so much, they might lose a lot of customers.
@@awokeone7997 if anything, I'd guess they just let things slip as they had a harder time managing the sheer volume of sales. But like you said, it's not a good look to make those sales if you can't handle em.
@@graycattactical1614 you should opt out for the 509t if you can. Better and glass is very clear with a crisp reticle. I have the 507c first 1gen, 2nd and the 507k big buttons.
@@awokeone7997 according to their customer service, all of the multi-reticle optics should be expected to have that same tolerance for the canted reticle. Who knows, maybe I'll try for a 5th time after I'm less bitter about this thing 😂
I just got mine with no issues. There is no excuse though to have it off center, it should be replaced immediately. You shouldn't be question etc. From my understanding Holosun was sued by Trijicon, maybe it was during that time period.
Glad to hear it! It seems like I may just have extraordinarily bad luck with these haha. You may be right, though. Maybe they've had a hard time keeping up with production since then.
I got 2 507ks and both was canted as well.
I've owned 8 Holosuns and 1 Trijicon RMR. The only one that defective was the Trijicon! Two of my Holosun's were 508T's and after 5 years they are still going strong....and I have not put a new battery in either one of them yet!!
Beautiful Sacramento Kings hat😏💜🩶 amazing video! Just purchased a 507c ACSD Vulcan, and I’ll see how they turn out, but I got a discount at only $260 for it, so we’ll see!
If you're going to try to run with the big dogs, your quality control needs to be dialed in. Otherwise they will lose the market they enjoy . . . except very few of the other manufacturers have the green reticle. Great video, Sir!
I've got two Holosun 509t's and they both work great... going by my local GS today and picking up a Holosun 507c for my Staccato C2 DPO... after watching your vid I'll definitely double check the optic closely before finalizing my purchase. May end up getting and RMR if the 507c is like your examples. Hopefully Holosun get's their sh't together as reputation is crucial in the Gun/Optics/Shooting industry!!
Glad to hear the 509's are working out for you! I was strongly considering one for another build before all this haha. I'm rooting for Holosun to improve, but time will tell.
@@graycattactical1614 picked up a 507c at lunch... looked it over b4 buying and it appears good. Or at least good enough my eyes couldn't pick up any optic cant. The 509t looks odd at first... but goes well and functions great on my G40 and B&T Apc9. If you can grab one from CWPS at their discounted prices I'd highly recommend!
Me and my brother ordered the Holosun 508t green dot. My brother got a good one. I was unlucky and got a bad one. I saw this review before I made the order. It is what it is.
Received my 508t and have the same issue. Two of my buddies 507ks also are canted.
I just bought a 507c-x2...then saw this video 😭 Crossing my fingers I don't get a canted circle. Those kinds of issues bug me to no end...
I've got my fingers crossed for ya as well. I'd love to hear how yours works out.
@@graycattactical1614 I ended up cancelling my order and went with the 507C ACSS Vulcan reticle version. It seems to be pretty straight! So I got lucky...
@@robertblaser9899 glad to hear it. I've head good things about Primary arms.
Holosun QC is still not there at the moment, depending on the batch you could be lucky or end up with a lemon! QC should not be reflective of the product but more the manufacturing facility and the conditions in which a company chooses to build its products.
Bummer to hear. The real shame is that the design of the product was great. The execution in manufacturing just wasn't up to snuff
Subbed just because of this video.
I agree whole hearted. Holosun has gotten so much exposure that they don't care about the little stuff or better yet, the little guy anymore. I've got my own H.S. 508t story...
Americans want top quality, great durability, at an "affordable" price. Deliver on that consistently AND be willing to fix the small issues people are having, then they get brand loyalty.
We need more honest community reviews and pew tubers. Two thumbs up 👍🏿👍🏿
Appreciate the sub! Sorry to hear you had a bad experience as well. You're absolutely right. I'm honestly rooting for them because they're the first real competition Trijicon has had for market dominance. That sort of competition should force all companies to innovate and improve. Holosun's gotta do better if they hope to be around for the long term.
@@graycattactical1614 I've had both neutral and good experience with H.S. so I'm not downing them too much. I just think they should clear up these small issues people are having like yours. I too am rooting for them. The 507c was my first dot and I wish I never sold it haha. The truth will get out eventually.
I'm not disregarding the shear cutting edge tech but 200-400 is still a lot to pay for chunk of metal, circuits, and some glass. Price comparison, that's a grocery bill, light bill, insurance, etc... for many.
Me too
I have a 508T on my edc pistol and a 512C on my rifle. I train with and beat the crap out of both guns every week and have had zero issues with either optic. I even won a pistol competition with my 508T. Holosun's have been nothing but durable, reliable and awesome for me
Love your videos Tyler, see you haven’t made any in a while. Still planning on keeping your channel active going forward?
My first pistols going to be CZ Shadow 2, not sure what type of optic to put on it, I have a stigmatism, and very poor vision in one eye fat matters. it's only for the range. I don't want to spend $700 on an optic but I'm looking for a good bang for my buck. You know I think the lesson here is you can spend more money on a quality product or spend still a lot of money and get a cheaply constructed product. I always prefer to spend a little more and not regret it. You made a great video thank you
Very nice choice for a first pistol! It's a great gun especially if you ever consider getting into competing. Shadow 2's and 2011's rule carry optics division.
Thanks for watching!
@@graycattactical1614 Thanks!!
Super bummer to see this issue, pandemic times hopefully was the issue for lack of QC I just got my Unit from @TACRIG and it is beautiful. Solid clean and straight reticle. I was watching your video in fear of my package arrival 😄 Cheers!
Great video bud!!!! I’m sold
Thanks for the heads up, I own 3 and just ordered the same optic. Hope it's good.
Hope you got your issue resolved.
Unfortunately, the best resolution for me was to get a full refund from Brownell's. I'll keep my fingers crossed that you've got better luck than me.
How did your 508 turn out?
@@SchoologyGames was lucky no problems retical is positioned correctly.
Time will tell on longevity and of course issues.
I was considering Holosun,but I have my doubts now concerning quality and customer care.
I recently had to return 3 508s. One had terrible lens coating and there was something wrong with the emitter. The second had material missing around the battery housing that looked like something went wrong in the casting process and the glass looked like a funhouse mirror. The third had the emitter lens crack after 80 rounds of 9mm. It's clear to me the move to use titanium, while it may be more durable, is causing a lot of manufacturing problems as it is inherently more difficult to both cast and machine. Not to mention more expensive. Which is why I would theorize that Holosun is possibly selling QC rejects/refurbs to retailers to avoid taking massive losses since this seems to be priced well below what one would expect it to cost given these challenges. I can't imagine a world where a Trijicon pistol optic made of titanium wouldn't cost around $1000 or more, which is probably why they've stuck with forged aluminum given it has proven to be plenty durable.
I have some manufacturing/engineering experience and I can confirm that the price difference between Al and Ti is significant. That said, total material cost for either in the size of an optic is just a tiny fraction of their price.
Your experience seems to be par for the course unfortunately. Whatever the case may be, I really hope they improve QC quickly. If not, trijicon may no longer have the competition to drive their innovation.
Where did you get your slide cut for the CZP10C? Thanks
Jagerwerks did mine
I have a 508T V2 and it has been solid for me. I have slight astigmatism. However I just run the single dot reticle. I looked at my ring and it appears dead on. Then again I have astigmatism so....probably isn't worth much 😂.
Glad to hear yours is going strong! My understanding of astigmatism is that it affects each of us slightly differently. Two people with the same prescription may still see a different image when viewing that target/dot through the objective lens. If you've found a setup that works well for you, that's all you can ask for!
Anecdotally, I haven't seen any Holosun pistol dots with canted reticles. Granted, everyone I know who runs one just uses the regular dot reticle. I have, however, had to RMA a Holosun ACSS Rifle dot with a reticle that was easily 5+ degrees canted, though this was a couple years ago.
I'm sure my luck was worse than most, but it's not reassuring to hear how often this seems to happen. I still think they produce good stuff at a reasonable price point, but I wish they'd keep a closer eye on the QC.
Great video
I agree, what people don't understand is that Chinese manufacturers build products to spec of the parent company. If the company allows for lax specs that falls on them too.
Exactly. It's refreshing that you understand that.
I wonder if every component inside of Trijicon optics, is as "chi-com" as what's in the rest of 'em?
I have a 507 & a 508 Both of my units have perfect dots. Did you get a lemon?
Out of 5 total Holosun optics, I've had one that functioned the way it was supposed to. Like I said, I could just have extraordinarily bad luck. It really seems like Holosun QC has low standards.
Thanks for the heads-up!
Happy to help!
I have them and like them but I bought a new 507 with a completely frozen elevation screw and took 3 months to replace
You are spot on. I bought holosun because on price point.
Mine was bought on Amazon and has the same problem, exchanged for a new one and had no problem. They need to work on their QA. Advise is to buy it from a platform that take returns easily.
i bought the 509T for my walther PDP. after watching this. i am gonna sell it. thinking of the aimpoint acro
Do the adjustments still move the reticle normally, or is it at an angle following the cant of the reticle? It still sucks but that would be much worse.
It adjusts normally.
Holosun introduced this problem in design by adding the four tiny hash lines at 12:00, 3:00, 6:00 and 9:00. Without those, any reticles rotated "out of tolerance" would be a non-issue.
No excuses for cracked glass or sloppily-applied sealants, however.
Their quality control is definitely bad. I've had some with sloppy glue jobs and had one with the button labels put on backwards so up turned down the brightness and vice versa. The lesson is pay a bit more and buy Holosun from a reputable retailer with a generous return policy so you don't have to wait 1-2 months to get a working one from the manufacturer.
Thanks for the video I appreciate the info I was just getting ready to actually put money down on one, now after watching your video if Holosun really doesn’t care about their quality assurance, then I’ll probably start looking somewhere else.
Some of mine are turned alittle bit. I don't even Notice it though. I didn't notice my first one until someone else mentioned it to me.
I think their QC has been dropping 🤘🏼 Thanks for the Shoutout. I thought I was subbed & had to re sub Carry On
Haha appreciate your support!
Bummer about their QC. I'm eager to see how your ACSS works out.
@@graycattactical1614 😁
Thanks for your review and comment. I have a 507c x2 and yes I have the same issue! WTF??
Thanks for the heads up. I was about to order a 507c x2. I’m going with aimpoint now.
I did not have that problem on my 508T but it is the newer green dot. I only noticed some imperfection/excess glue or something on the solar panel corner. Also, maybe just me, but my HF did get better on the 508T-G compared to my RMR. I only wanted to try the Holosun but it is staying on my Shadow 2 OR now.
My 508T is canted, the 508TV2 is straight, 507K V2 is normal, 509T is normal.... I don't use the big circle so I don't bother sending the 508T back... and yes order thru Brownells, their lifetime optic warranty would take them back no question asked.
Lol I just got my 508t x2 today. It came missing the mount, screws, spots missing the finish on the left side. Also the optic was turned on. I don't know if they shipped it like this from the factory or someone swapped it out at the warehouse.
Holosun did say they'd stop shipping their optics with the pic mount this year, but I don't think they mentioned omitting the screws and parts of the finish lol. Sounds like someone screwed up. Sorry that you've got to deal with this mess.
@@graycattactical1614 yeah it's pretty messed up. What gets me was that the optic was already on when it came out of the box. And the finish seems worn only on the side with the controls...aka the body side for a right handed shooter.
@@emknight84 yeah, that sounds suspicious. Perhaps they sent out a box that was previously returned? Where did you order yours from?
@@graycattactical1614 Kenzie's Optics...because I was trying to avoid all the counterfeits and shady things just like this. Was yours turned on straight out of the box?
@@emknight84 no. I've bought 4 holosuns in the past few months. None were powered on when I unboxed them. All four had the issue described in this video though.
I wonder how many red dots there are on the market that dont have a circles/hash but are the same way and go unnoticed since there are no hash marks
They should have just made it that way 😂
I originally got an RMR because that seems to be top of the line. My astigmatism just couldn't tolerate it. Tried a holosun and it's a near perfect dot so that's what I'm rolling with.
Thanks for the video. This would be a concern for me if I used the 32 moa dot, but I prefer just the dot alone.
I have 14 pistol red dots from Holosun, 6 508Ts ,1 507K and 7 507Cs. I've looked at all of them and didn't see the rotation you had. Weird.
DID THE ROTATION ACTUALLY ALTER POINT OF IMPACT FROM POINT OF AIM AFTER SIGHTING IN?
I got very first OG 508t that was the first titanium option. Atleast 10k rounds through it with an AK. I cannot say nothing bad about it. I needed a second one. So I picked up this model. We will see how it goes
That’s such a bummer man. I can’t believe that they’re saying that’s okay to send off optics with that much variance in the dot. I could see it being a degree or 2 off, fine, but that sucks so bad. I just got a 508Tx2 and mine is, at least to my eye, 100% perfect. I’ve come to trust them as well, but now I’m going to have to be skeptical. I appreciate the honest review/update.
Sure is. I'd only had good experiences with them up to this point. Since filming this video I've actually bought and returned 2 others for similar issues. If you can get one that functions properly, I still think it's a solid product. It's just a shame that their QC nosedived so hard.
It’s not the dot.
@@Ep16709 I’ve been running mine since a couple days after my original comment, and my 508t has held zero, dot looks crisp, no cant on the circle dot reticle, and I’ve racked my slide by slamming the dot against wooden tables and other “barricades” while training and it’s held fine. Glass is still perfect, body is barely scuffed from the abuse. I have a few holosuns and they’ve all been great 🤷🏼♂️ maybe I’m just lucky
Just found your videos, looking at potential red dots. Could be stupid question but did you check with your other eye? For me my eye that has worse astigmatism (right) rotates any type of cross hair site a little bit but when compared to my left eye it straightens out. Just food for thought it may be the astigmatism :-/
I just received mine from Amazon and it was tilted to the left by about 2 degrees. I called Holosun and they confirmed that 2 degrees tilt is within normal limits. So I returned it to Amazon and ordered a new one. Fortunately, the second one is dead on straight, so the good news is you can order again and hope for a good one. I agree that Holosun should not be allowing this though. Reflects poorly on them.
I think they should just make a version without the hash marks, just have a plain circle and dot. Then this problem wouldn’t exist.
I had a similar experience on my 3rd 507 c decided to stick with rmr going forward maybe a sro
Bummer. Sorry to hear about yet another bad example. Not looking great for Holosun.
I have heard about trijicon having bad units shipped out from the factory as well. The warrior poet has a video out about his issues with his RMR. It can happen with any optic not just holosun. I have several holosun red dots and they have all been great.
Great info!
Thank you!
I’ll throw you a sub mah Asian brother. Keep up the good work! I was thinking about diving into the holosun world but i think I’m going to get another rmr.
Mines the exact same. About 4-5 degrees turned. It's highly annoying. I'm just running the dot but for a 300 dollar optic it sucks you can't really use the 32moa one.
I'm lucky the local shop had a few 507k's. They take them out of the box and set them on top of the box for you to check them out. they also have better prices than online shops. I bought a 507k for my GF and I.
That's definitely the way to go. Especially if the price is good. What did you mount your 507k's onto?
@@graycattactical1614 Funny you ask. I ordered plates from C&H that just showed up today. When I get off work I'm going to install them.
@@SomeRenoGuy I know that feeling. Have fun with your project!
@@graycattactical1614 BTW, I paid $254 before tax for my 507k.
@@SomeRenoGuy Great deal!
Had almost identical customer service issues with Steiner and the MPS. My MPS died (no dot) within 30 days and 650 9mm round count. I will not go with Steiner anymore.
Great video thanks for the info
Man that sucks you’ve had so many issues. I’ve been using Holosuns since 2018 & haven’t had any issues. All of my pistol red dots are Holosun (507c, 507k & 508t) & they’ve been solid & reliable. Brownell’s is a great company, most of the gear I buy comes from them or Primary Arms. PA has really great customer service as well.
Thanks for the tip! I'll keep PA in mind next time around.
If it’s within a hundred dollars of an RMR, it better fucking work! I would only accept a canted reticle if it was
They may still be worth a shot if you're willing to risk having to deal with the return/replacement. Otherwise, plenty of other good, proven options.
Dude speaks the truth and makes some very valid points.
My 509T i noticed this but its barely rotated a degree so it didnt bother me, didnt know other optics had this issue the biggest issue i noticed is the optic plate rusting
Rust doesn't sound promising lol. Either way, glad to hear yours is working out.
To be fair im a maniac who runs 15 miles ish in tropical heat almost daily while carrying but its the only part of the gun that rusts this badly in spite of being wiped down thoroughly
@@joeschmo5403 sounds like we'd get along. What are you training for?
For parts that don't need long term abrasion resistance, cerakote might be the way to go. Not sure if they're using nitride, black oxide, etc. but many of those "coatings" work by increasing the metal's affinity for oil. When you oil the parts they hold onto that oil. Cerakote is like paint but a bit more resilient. It can wear away if it's constantly hitting/rubbing other hard surfaces, but it actually creates a barrier on top of the metal to protect from moisture.
Used to be a competitive runner im out of shape but trying to get my old body back lol i was thinking of ceracote my guns slide is nitrided and it seems to work well
The reticle and battery life are the selling points for Holosun, if they can’t get those right then they’ll fall by the wayside.
Agreed. I'm just waiting on Trijicon to release a new RMR with a side loading tray.
@@graycattactical1614 and shake to wake, and solar and multiple reticle choices, all at the same cost of the current one.
Any word on if things have gotten better with these?
What do you think of the delta point?
I have the 507c in green. Took it to the range and somewhere between 0 and 2nd mag it lost the rubber cover over the + - buttons making it no longer water resistant and exposed chip. I waited 4 mo th for this crap to deliver and it’s too late to return.
To measure your rotation, hold the dot where it’s square then measure how far the sight is angled.
That's awful to hear. Any chance the retailer would still accept a return?
The issue with measuring the rotation is that the reticle isn't completely symmetrical with respect to center. Even if I told Holosun an exact measurement, they would insist it was within spec.
My first 507k on my 365 xl was canted slightly like yours, they actually replaced it without question. I have the 508 on my shadow systems now and it’s been good. I honestly prefer holosun over trijicon I hate to say that but I feel like they just have better restocked and clarity to me.
I'm wondering if enough time has passed that they've begun to sort out the QC issues. I do miss the features of the holosun compared to my RMR.
Mine is probably 1 degree off. Do you know the manufacturing process? Do you know what it takes to get an emitter like this to be manufactured in a way that it’s at a perfect 0 degree? I personally do not. But there isn’t really anyone else making this type of reticle like this. Maybe them being a degree or 2 off just comes with the territory