He was convicted and fined in Sweden, he did apologize to this young lady. He submitted himself to the Swedish legal system and under their laws he paid the required penalty. His actions were classless and he paid the price. I’m sick of this throw them in the water, if it floats it’s a witch, if it sinks it’s a witch mentality. We are creating a society with no pathways to redemption.
It is because our society has become narcissistic and is getting increasingly narcissistic as time goes on. Everyone nowadays thinks they are a celebrity, or thinks they are better than they actually are just because they might get a lot of likes on social media. It has created a society where a lot of people ride atop a high-horse and judge anyone they feel is inferior to them. People now believe they don't do anything wrong and they are always right. Getting 10-15 likes on their social media posts feed into this narcissism and self-righteous attitude.
@@js09js09 that’s an astute point, I’m not excusing his actions. I feel they are abhorrent, but this me too movement has blurred the lines between actual predators and kids like Logan. She may never forgive him and that’s her prerogative. From my chair I can not currently nor will I ever be able to judge ones heart.
@@cleementine and wtf is that supposed to mean, properly? It's all subjective and if the victim does not like his apology, well that's just too bad for her.
So they drafted him. He acted like an idiot like a lot of young guys do, but the only ones who “don’t” believe in second chances will be the first ones to crow about how they “knew this all along that the kid would straighten himself out”. He’s a great player. Don’t worry people like these 3 will shout out loud that they “knew” he would straighten himself out. Now why not look in the mirror about Micheal Vick. What he did was dispicable and the media was all over him, BUT they in the end said he needed a second chance and was given that chance.
The problem is there were no consequences for his actions. He committed a sex crime, but because he can play hockey, he can move on like nothing happened. I don't believe a word of his "statement" which was clearly written by his agent and publicist. The kid wasn't sorry about what he did, he was only sorry it got out. I think Michael Vick was given way too light of a sentence for the horrible things he did and I hate the fact that he was able to get out and restart his career like nothing happened. With that being said, at the very least, he spent some time in prison. It's not enough but at least it's something.
@@nada55666 the legal system in sweden took the case and determined that the fine was enough for the crime. Society has no right to be judge and juror for a crime who has been paid
You 3 hypocrites. Shameful. Let's talk about Matthews exposing himeself to a female security guard. Where is your outrage for that. ?? Why aren't you 3 on your soapbox still demanding his release. Shameful Matthews wrote a cheque to get off... Dubas stood behind his player. Zero consequences
This is exactly what I was thinking. They’ll probably just brush it off and say “ oh the Matthew’s situation was way different” Classic hypocritical justification.
22 minutes and 10 seconds were spent complaining, and not one piece of criticism was constructive. “We need to talk...” This kind of talk only further angers those who are already upset, and alienates those who are neutral or sympathetic toward Logan. Nothing was offered, nothing was clarified, nothing was gained.
As a counter, this, much like the Blackhawks scandal, is not being covered whatsoever in the United States. It's just not a news story here that Bergevin has been up to some very suspect things over his career. While Canadians may feel that both of these stories - both of which have had a specific focus within the Steve Dangle Podcast - are being covered comprehensively in their media, having videos on these subjects, in the US? It's a godsend for actually learning about the gravity of these situations and why they matter. It's a difference in exposure to the issue.
4:38 "The victim's opinion is the only one that matters"; that's not even how restorative justice works 6:09 A person can be "a crazy person" or vindictive and also "a victim of a sex crime" -- the two are not mutually exclusive. 10:50 The Montreal Canadiens have no affiliation with the victim, and by bringing her name or status as a victim into the PR statement only further put attention on her which, you allege would harm her through societal stigma. By recognizing the fault, and committing to awareness, the organization has gone beyond its fiduciary duties and acted positively to social justice. 11:17 Why would a genuine matter such as paying for therapy be done in public? That's a PR move; further, it admits to some sort of guilt or wrongdoing on the part of the Montreal Canadiens by selecting Mailloux. 11:46 His age after the fact is a moot point; and the apology, whether genuine or not, is supported by his personal admission to withdraw from the draft. You do not get tried for a crime as an adult when you committed it as a minor, why would the rationality change in terms of the court of public opinion? 13:30 The notion that an organization cannot consider someone who has problems in their personal life, and select them--whether through draft or trade--is absurd. The real problem is the emphasis on character that Bergevin continuously makes, which led to the trade of Subban prior to his NMC, and the removal of Zack Kassian for his substance abuse problems. 16:30 This is horrible PR at best, no question 17:50 Boiling down business to greed when it conflicts with social justice or whatever moral position you share is absurd, and the crux of the entire problem Canadian media has. It's a progressive dilemma, and nothing more. The Montreal Canadiens can hold his rights, and let support him, and even to some degree support the victim. Mailloux can be selected despite not wanting to be, change his mind on being selected, and still be remorseful or repentant, and act in a way that benefits according to restorative models, not punitive. And the victim can both be a victim, and be vindictive. The story is not black and white, sex crimes are not black and white, and the notion that there is some unique violation of autonomy or stigma here is quite odd, considering the aforementioned stigma is only a stigma if you perceive it as such, and certainly the progressive-minded people are pro-sex work and anti-rape culture would not stigmatize victims accordingly. 18:00 your driving example is a criminal charge that has punitive punishment in an adjudicative courtroom, and its consequences dealt out by the law, not by commercial businesses. It fails as a prima facie example. This is incorrect social justice belief, and if made true, is quite indicative of genuinely censorious civil society and authoritarian government. A defense of this situation, because it is being blown out of proportion adjacent to the Blackhawks scandal.
@1:10 Adam's suggestion that the NHL considering changing the rule so that players can renounce themselves from the draft would be absolutely horrible for hockey. Because it would open up the possibility of players renouncing themselves just because they don't want to go to certain teams. It defeats the purpose of one of the main purposes of the draft, which is to allow weaker teams to accumulate good prospects. Owen Power could have renounced himself this year (and any other year) if the team picking 1st wasn't to his liking.
Accept that it won’t. You hear it all the time in the NBA or the NFL. Joe Borrow coming back to avoid Cincy, Zion avoiding NOLA, Lawrence avoiding Jax etc. They all went to the teams that earned the pick. Total mainstream sports BS.
@@Weedmen337 NBA and the NFL have monopolies over their sport. NHL doesn't. Not only that, but every league of hockey you earn money is considered pro, so you can skip your entry level contract all together if you want to. The KHL is becoming more and more mainstream, and they are paying far better than the NHL. The NHL is not in a good spot right now and teams like the Canadiens which practically pays for one of the lower teams, like buffalo. hold a significant amount of power.
I mean you can simply add a clause to that very easily where you just can't opt out cause you feel like it. Reserve it for legal or severe family issues
Maybe we can stop crucifying a 17 year old kid who made a mistake and owned up to it.. apparently the picture just had her hair and a bra strap in it. What he did was wrong but it's getting way too much attention especially when everyone's been hush hush on a much worse situation going on in Chicago.
I agree with the 2nd part but we’re not canceling him in any way, he said himself that he wasn’t ready, why draft him then. Also he didn’t really suffer because he was expected to be taken in the first round anyway. He doesn’t deserve to be rewarded for his actions
@@dhruvdath1815 he wasn't rewarded for his actions, he was fully punished by law. he was rewarded for the 16 years of hard work and dedication to hockey despite of his crime (which was not a sex crime btw) Youth criminal files in Canada are sealed at 18. It's not always popular but if this happened in Canada there's a good chance we wouldn't even know about it.
I don't care what anyone says... And I don't care how bad what Mailloux did was (and don't get me wrong: it was very bad): nothing disgusts me like an angry mob of holier-than-thou do-gooders hammering on a teenage kid, not wanting to give him a chance to grow out of this... It gives quite an insight on basic human psychology, and it's not pretty.
Don't care either what's your opinion if you can't understand that the victim should be prioritized over a stupid hockey player. Not everyone should have the right to vote, and you're a prime example of this. Some stuff are more important than a meaninless sport, but you can't understand that. Bye.
Ok I think two things can be true: - We should not diminish the crime Logan committed. - We should give a 17 years old a chance to redeemed himself. For context, if it happened in Canada it would be illegal to talk about because he was 17 at the time. And I think the identity of the victim should strictly confidential, the help shouldn't come from the Habs but from the swedish government. Also there are consequences to his crime, these were establish by a judge in Sweden. We're not judges, psychiatrist or social workers, let the professionals do their jobs.
Okay I have a problem with your argument just because you are going off of Canadian laws does not mean anything. I'm sorry, but this crime of not only doxing, but also distribution of c p and distribution of sexually explicit content without someone's consent is a terrible crime that regardless of the age of that person, if they were underage as well or overage, it would be covered in the local media. In America, and many other countries Logan would have been tried as an adult for what he had done, and probably convicted as well. What everyone has the problem with is that, this is a perpetuation of the allowing of persons with a history of this kind of behavior to be rewarded within the NHL, exactly like the Blackhawks were The time that is now covered in those lawsuits. Every League has two major issues. The NFL with concussions and players committing domestic abuse and assault. The MLB has an issue with bad umpires and cheating. The NBA, players refusing to get vaccinated like Kyrie Irving, and a lack of parity. NHL's issues are hard hits and concussions, and organizations covering up and covering for sex criminals. For me, the worst ones are the domestic abuse committed by NFL players and the sex abuse being covered up by NHL organizations. This is a very bad look. The victim matters more than the player. The player has made his mistake already. The victim is still feeling of a consequences and may still feel the consequences for decades of humiliation and seeing him in the bright lights whenever the Canadians win if he joins the organization. I'm sorry, but the NHL should have denied this pick from happening And just told the Canadians, for trying to pick someone who has relinquished themself from the draft, you no longer have a draft pick. The NHL needs to have a very hard stance on this kind of conduct to be able to keep it from happening in the future. The NHL safety organization has suspended players for 20 to 50 games for exceedingly hard hits and repeat offenses of checking or hitting a defenseless player. They need to have an equal if not harsher stance on the sex crimes that have occurred. They cannot just wave a blind eye to it. That is unacceptable, and in my mind criminally complicit. Logan should have been barred from the draft for at least one year, if not two by the NHL before the draft even took place. They did not do that because they are cowards. The Canadians drafted him because they are greedy and want to make this into their little sob story that they can be like. Oh look at this kid that we entirely On our own changed his persona and made him into the player that he is now. They are greedy and they need to be punished for what they have done which is made it so that future NHL prospects think, oh, I can get away with one or two things before I get drafted, when they never should!!!
@@rush3r975 Against the victim and offender's will. I'm sure all this negative attention on him is doing him a survice to his personal journey. I'm sure he learned his lesson by being picked in the first round. Yes. You people can't put the victim first, shame. If you can't get up to speed in 2021 maybe don't participate in society all together. Bye you dinosaur.
4:33 "her (the victim's) opinion is frankly the only one that matters, right?..." Wrong. People say this all the time, and hence prove they haven't given it a serious thought, because it's actually not true. It can't be. A world where only the "victim's" opinions matter would be hell on earth. If you don't believe me, watch where this world is going: we're almost already there, and its not a kinder world. It's harsher and angrier. Stop all the judging and virtue signaling; start thinking more, about all the victims, the obvious ones, and the less obvious ones. What if the victim wants this kid to commit suicide? What are you going to do then with your stupid principle regarding "her opinion being the only one that matters"?
@@MrDonquichotte No, she’s actually right, the examples you’re referring to are “ongoing cases” where victims haven’t proven the guilt of the accused. This is a case where the accused is proven guilty, so his opinion means nothing at this point. I get what you’re saying but this isn’t one of those cases.
@@seanweatherson534 I appreciate your thought and thoughtfulness, but with all due respect, I actually don't think you're getting my point. I'm not talking about specific cases. I'm pointing out that no victim should have any claim to absolute, permanent and exclusive innocence, because such innocence paves the way to tyranny. And again, if you don't believe me, just wait and see, we're getting there. The thing is victims (and I don't mean false victims, I mean real ones), can also victimize other people, can make other victims, including those who victimized them in the first place. There can be no end to this unless one chooses to put some trust in institutions and turn the page. My bottom line is: the kid was 17, he did something stupid and hurtful, he paid a heavy price, now let's all move on. There is a strong case to be made that moving on is better for everyone, including the victim. What's the other option? Endless resentment?
Honestly.. The kid has paid what was due for his mistake. Time to move on and let the kid be. He didn't rape her or attack anyone physically. He shared a picture. If legally he's paid his crime, it's time to move on. Dragging this, only makes it worse. NFL and nba players get caught doing illegal things and still get drafted and no one talks about it this much. Didn't Matthews get charge with disorderly conduct for trying to open the car door with a woman inside at 2am? Was this big of a deal done? Nope. Moved on once it was behind him. Did we talk about Matthews being kicked out? Nope.
HE may have moved on, but the girl who was photographed without consent is scarred for life whether he gives a heartfelt apology or not. It's only fair that he gets a bad reputation too. Matthews is completely different. He literally just mooned a cop with his underwear still up. I actually had a buddy in high school who mooned a teacher also with his underwear still up. Know what he got? After school detention. That's it. Now imagine if what with Mailloux happened in high school. Not only is he getting expelled he's going to juvie.
@@youzettasonsofdigits1639 I'm sorry... But Matthews tried to open the car door of a woman who was inside at 2am. Wtf are you talking about mooning? If I was a woman inside my car at 2am and a stranger tried to open it.... I would be scared of getting raped, injured or robbed. That's a more terrifying situation then a picture being shared. I don't know where you got your mooning story.
There's a bit of hypocrisy here. Half the teams in the NHL were going to pick him as a 2nd rounder. Less prestige and attention on the 2nd day of the draft. The Canadiens said f...k it. Our 31st pick is basically a 2nd rounder. We'll take the heat. Hell maybe the leafs would have taken him in the 2nd round. Hockey is a business first and foremost. All 32 NHL franchises are well aware of this fact.
So, an honorable team and its honorable management, would have passed the nasty little pornographer by and--as these guys said--let the other teams show their disrespect and lack of conscience.
I have a hard time understanding an adult using this logic. The whole video was about how what Montreal did was morally wrong, and some come back, it wasn't wrong someone else was going to do it if they didn't do it first. Like when I was a kid and shoplifted something, I could tell my parents, well my friend was there and if I hadn't taken it, he would have, so I'm not responsible for my action. Just blows my mind.
@@gradygameplays2033 I don't even know what to say to that.... Like guy says don't pick me, I want to work on myself, team picks him, and you're rational is, well it's not illegal. I guess I can tell my child he is a piece of garbage and tear him down everyday, based on your rational, there's nothing wrong with that cause... it's not illegal.
When I talk about Luke Prokop, I have to remind people who dangerous it was for him to come out as gay in the National Hockey League. That homophobia is ingrained so deeply in the culture that not a single person has dared to come out as gay until he showed up. And of course, there's always someone who comes back and tells me "Oh, it's so different now than it was 10 years ago". 10 years ago was when Brad Altrich sexually assaulted a player. 10 years ago was when a victim of said sexual assault was mocked and ridiculed by his own teammates with homophobic slurs, many of whom are still playing or working in the league. And now this year was when the Montreal Canadiens drafted a player guilty of a sex crime, making excuses for their actions the entire way. Very little has changed.
Dude relax. In this day and age Prokop coming out is barely news with all the support that he's getting. Now more than ever 'coming out' isn't a big deal in western countries. If he had come out in a Muslim country for example then THAT would be a different thing. Also while posting a nude photo of a girl without her consent is bad, its very far from a 'sex crime'. Seriously people need to get a grip and stop blowing everything out of proportion these days as SJWs seem to always do.
Let the person without sin cast the first stone. Stop with the bullying. A kid makes a mistake, he apologized for it, move on with your miserable lives.
It’s nice to know that none of these guys have ever made a mistake in their lives, particularly when they were minors. My advice to anyone reading this: switch to videos by The Hockey Guy. It’s way better analysis without the radical left politics and self-righteousness of these guys.
I don’t know about “radical left” because that’s presuming their ideas are politically ideologically driven but what we can say for certain is these guys love to moral posture. The act by the player was completely disgusting and what the organization did was sly but unless this player is a repeat offender, to insinuate a young player making a despicable and damaging mistake is beyond redemption is awfully high and mighty of them. Typical virtue signaling that is often hard to stomach from these guys
What Logan did was wrong, but the big issue is no one new about this story now everyone is jumping on this and exposing the victim into a bigger spotlight which does not help the situation. And I love how everyone is putting on their halos and wings and discussing this situation. What's funny is I never seen this with Matthew's when he pulled his pants down in front of a women, never seen this much scrutiny with Patrick kanes situation, never seen this with kobe, where was everyone with those situations. Be consistent and stop judging, God did not appoint you judge. The boy was 17, let him fix himself and leave the woman alone. It will not get fixed like this and her life will not get any better if we keep bringing her into this everyday. The pick was shocking but the least, the most shocking is the cancel culture that came in like a tsunami.
the guy got what he deserved by swedish laws. Now stop trying to ruin his career and let him get back on track and be a better person. If mtl judge that he was the best player available at that time, so be it.
Players don't get to decide whether they're worthy of being drafted, teams do! There's 10,000 players that think they should be drafted and none could ever be good enough. Logan didn't renounce, his agent pressured by Bettman released that statement, Logan's relief at being drafted proved that. This whole story is farcically gutless.
I'll say this much about the Hawks PR stunt during the draft... they've been doing this for quite some time before the allegations came to light. I'm not saying it makes them any less wrong in their past actions, which I understand are extremely serious and honestly a little sickening, but recently they've been one of the most active teams in expanding their organization to involve more women. With that being said, it could've been the plan from the start to have them on stage to announce the first pick. Or perhaps it's much deeper than that, and they were just for good rep among fans. I'd like to think that's not true, as it would be a disservice to them and how good they are at their jobs.
I'd like to think it wasn't a publicity stunt, but I can't. This has been my team for decades, but recent moves (including way overpaying for too many years for a known GQP nut) makes me want to rethink things.
Bottom line?......none of this is any of your business......I found your entire segment horrible......from Adam's literal chest thumping to Dangle and his "oh my God, grow up" valley girl impression....not to mention the request for an actual and appropriate apology.....let's face it...no apology will ever be good enough for you......let the police handle it...his employer and his family and friends.....the victim deserves many things.....but I doubt a podcast selling cereal is one of them.....do you ever watch yourselves?
Virtue Signalling: the action or practice of publicly expressing opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one's good character or the moral correctness of one's position on a particular issue. And these boys lovvvvve to virtue signal.
@Echs . great point. I barely remember what he did since it is never talked about it. The moral police comes whenever they want especially if it's not a proven NHL player
@Echs . The fact is mooning someone and sharing sexual pictures of them are two different offenses, and society views them with differently. It's not that hard of concept.
@Echs . It's true that the league has too much leniency towards top players because they make such an impact on the ice. But other than broadly belonging to sexual harassment these two events are different. Being mooned vs having your intimate pictures released to the world are different things. The only person turning a blind eye to that for hockey related reasons and name-calling others in the convo is you.
Other NHL clubs considered drafting him in the second round. The Habs did a pre-emptive strike. The talent level of Mailloux puts him in the top 15 of the NHL prospects for the draft. This was the Habs brass deciding on a player that was the best prospect available. The character issues were secondary on drafting the player. I hate the smug, self-righteous attitude of the NHL, and other NHL clubs, when it comes to whether or not to draft a player. IF the NHL actually cared about this issue, they would have told NHL clubs to not draft him for this year, and that is how I read Mailloux's statement. He took the fall for the NHL, and the NHL presumed no hockey club would draft him. It makes the NHL look dumb. The NHL IS DUMB. They were not ahead of the ball on this. Bergevin made the call and drafted him and he had to consider their need for a right handed shot and a necessity for the club. He would not have to start right away, and would need to develop, but if you don't draft him, they miss out on a top 15 player, at a key position, a defenceman, likely to replace Weber in the near future. You are making TOO BIG a deal about the victim. Yes she is a victim, but you are making it a whole lot bigger. Your moralising and pontificating self righteous platitudes about this situation. The context is a huge issue and the moralising and grandstanding about the moral issues involved I find offensive. We live in the age of digital media and social platforms where people's lives can be destroyed by posting media online. Common decency is a joke, across society, and especially in sports. At the end of the day it was a hockey decision. The NHL dropped the ball, and should have enforced the desire of the player to not be drafted. The Habs took advantage of the NHL rules and drafted him. Just like the rest of the NHL teams were angry about how the Lightning played 18 million over the cap, and took advantage of the rules. The NHL could have done something before the playoffs but didn't. All the NHL teams would have done the same as Tampa and had players over the cap play when the cap gets thrown out for the playoffs. Montreal took advantage of the selection. In each case, the NHL dropped the ball. I just wonder what you guys would have sounded like if this had been the Leafs. Would you really be this full of rage and sanctimonious about the Leafs. You guys brag on about the Leafs and all they do to take advantage over their competition. The Leafs would have drafted Mailloux if they had the opportunity.
Mailloux took the fall for nothing. He got drafted in the first round, and the whole drafting incident does not pass the smell test, but rather comes off looking like a carefully orchestrated PR stunt so that Montreal could get what it wanted. To hell with the Habs! To hell with the London Knights! Furthermore, have you actually been watching and listening to these three? They do not "brag on about the Leafs" at all, especially not this year.
It is because Canada is full of leftist apologists who would support Trudeau even if he murdered someone, but will sit around talking about how Trump is sending a bad message to youths by eating too much ice cream or drinking too much Coca-Cola. * (I once sat in a restaurant on a Tuesday evening, and they had CNN on one of the TVs; and these left-wing "journalists" on CNN talked for about an hour regarding Trump eating too much ice cream and drinking too much Coke, and how it sends a bad message; this type of propaganda and the need to keep everyone fired-up about Trump, even on a day when nothing made the news, is one reason why the left-wing apologists have the brainwashed mentality that they have) *
@@TheGiua1973 interesting that you didn’t argue against the substance of what he said and instead tried to dismiss him because you disagree with him politically. The media does have a blatant double standard and you can’t watch the news objectively and say it isn’t mostly propaganda.
The guy was man enough to say, I need a year to deal with this, to prove to everyone but most of all to myself that I am worthy of having the privilege of being picked to maybe play in the NHL...sounds like Montreal didn't respect his reasoning because the whole league must have known this and automatically passed on him, did Montreal do some sort of shady deal to make sure he was available that deep in the draft??? They should have respected his wish of not getting picked...period.
Several teams were planning to take Mailloux in the second round. That's precisely why Bergevin drafted him 31st. He didn't expect to have another chance. There was zero chance Mailloux wasn't getting drafted despite his request.
You actually think he wrote that apology and came up with that idea? My guess is his agent and his publicist were afraid of him falling to a late round, so they came up with this "recusal". It worked.
One of my in-laws works in advertising and PR as a consultant. He pretty much said from his view, everything around this including him asking not to be drafted were PR firms working their asses off to spin this. He said the fact that was more or less confirmed when Bergevin admitted he was talking to Mailloux between his statement and the draft.
@@Posit_Zero_Blue I agree, they wanted him so there was an agreement reached, Bergevin decided to go for it and he knew there would be backlash and there was...
Good on the Habs to pick this player. He made a mistake and got punished for it. Move on. Him asking to not be drafted is a bs pr statement. So if he isn't drafted and waits a year, what really changes? Absolutely nothing. It's not like he's going straight into the NHL. He'll have a few years to work on his game and mature as a person, in the Canadians system.
My personal favorite that I heard, Montreal said other teams were looking to draft him in the second round so they figured they take him because somebody was going to. Here's an idea, let that other team screw up and face the consequences
@@commissioner1969 there were much better players to take in the 2nd round. Stankoven, edvinson. Bergevin screwed up because now they’ve become an embarrassment just like the blackhawks. In the end, this is still a job and at many jobs, you would be immediately fired and not rewarded for your actions
This is a problem with society. If you are a good athlete, there are little to no consequences. We have a weightlifter representing Canada at the Olympics right now who almost killed a man in a hit and run accident. The NFL has too many players to mention that have been given second and third chances ( or more) because they are great athletes. This kid didn't want to be drafted so he could try and rebuild trust. That's at least saying the right thing. He knew that the worst of this would blow over in a year and baring injury, he'd be no worse off.
@@zach3640 Yup. Which is why nobody cared either about the sex scandal in Chicago. Old boys club that's hockey for you. Who cares about the victim right, he's a good hockey player so he gets a pass on life consequences. Great model for young men to replicate. Women and victims do not care, the only purpuse in hockey is to win at all cost. This is EXACTLY what is wrong in our society.
They drafted him and used a first round pick to do it, whoever picked him would be getting the backlash, Montreal chose him they get the headache simple as that
Got people’s eyes off of the Blackhawks scandal so the NHL loves it probably. FYI both issues shows how bad the NHL is… should not allowed him to get drafted.
@@rickmartin4886 do you know the exact facts of everything the prospects friends saw? since context clearly matters according to you for matthews? i wonder why... thats interesting XD
@@tvtda1 Not as much the player as it is how his loser team tanked to get him. I will like Matthews once he goes home to Arizona. Leafs simply suck ass! 🍁💙🤡🤡🤡🤡
Just being Devil's Advocate here, but (and please correct me if I'm wrong), the charges weren't dropped right? He paid a fairly hefty fine. If anything, shouldn't people's vitriol be directed towards the Swedish police who felt that what happened only merited a fine? Also, didn't Friedman also say that a bunch of GMs were line up to pick him in the 2nd round, which is why the Habs picked him at 31, cause he wouldn't be around at their next pick?
You're not exactly wrong per say, but his behaviour should not be rewarded in being drafted. Not until he has shown he has grown. It's too soon to just take his word for it. He didn't show any remorse for his actions until RIGHT NOW, which is super sus.
I loved it and I've got huge respect for Bergevin. Made the right choice for the team, hope the kid becomes a star and this'll be as forgotten as the Gilmour incident was. I can't stand watching media types cowtowing to the feminist nazi hordes. Cancel culture is in need of cancelling. Time for men to be men again.
@@somguy728 as someone who lived a fake rape allegation, I 100% agree with you. No one waits for facts anymore. Look what happened to Kane. Men can be victims too. I know this is a little off topic, but it happened when I was 21 and I'm 38 and live in Canada now and it still pisses me off
@@709mash NHL General Managers aren't there to reward or punish players for their behavior, they select players based on skill and promise. you're acting like the main thing they should do is take a stand based on principle that you dont' wanna create a world where this kind of thing is "rewarded?" lol, grow up
Everyone pissed off that their team did not draft mailloux. Good on Habs to take him. A 6 foot 5 defense man with offensive and defensive skills is goal.
If the Canadians offered to pay for the victim's therapy, you'd say that it's an insult to her because they still drafted Mailloux. Can't win with you guys, the bias is real
It was widely reported that almost everyone had him in the second round. I think Bergy might have just forgotten about the nudge nudge wink wink ( NHL GMS ) lets teach him a lesson and pick him in the 2nd round conversation.
The only thing worse than a witch hunt is a stupid with hunt. Media clowns making out like 1st round 31st pick is a crime against humanity. But if Buffalo took him 33rd overall in the 2nd round - and you're correct - someone was taking him - it would be all good no problem? Hockey media types have lost the plot.
If I heard right, a large part of the lead was buried. He issues a statement saying he does not want to be drafted but he then participates in pre-draft interviews with teams (plural)? If this is correct, please comment SDP.
I would say at least 50% of ALL athletes have done the same thing. 17 year old junior teams have parties and there are people known as puck bunnies at these parties. This goes on at every age and every level in every sport. Not condoning this behavior but this was the same when I was Junior 20 years ago. Difference now is Social Media and stuff gets around.
The NHL is responsible for moral conduct, he should have been removed from the draft. Franchises are looking to build there teams for the future and are not the Moral squad !!! Just ask Mathews!!!
Mathews! You mean the poster boy and of face of the franchise Matthews? The exhibitionist "look at my junk and brown stripe" Mathews? We are talking about Captain Underpants no doubt! The only reason no charges came forward from that is none of Mathews boyfriends came forward!
I have always loved you guys, but hearing your stance that "They have completely neglected the victim" has placed you on a new level. Thank you for being so vocal that this kid should not be getting off easy and for putting in the spotlight the fact that Montreal does not care about the victim.
@Jeepman89 he sent the picture of the girl with her name and information which was publicly posted. He didn't just show his friends, the picture is online with her name for all to see.
@Jeepman89 yeah this kinda thing can't happen, stop making excuses. Just because he's 17, or because he didn't intend to distribute it public... still wrong and he should have never taken the picture.
I know appearances are just that. But he looks like a good kid who did something really stupid at 17. The consequences for the girl are obviously worse than the embarrassment he suffered, but should we end his career or expect him to commit suicide online for the benefit of all those perfect people that never made a serious mistake? And if not, what difference does it make that he is picked in the second round or next year? Would that somehow make it alright?
@@strahinjagov I am pretty sure that is not the entire point. People are upset that the Habs picked an apparently horrible person. The kid can work on himself while playing in the minors.
@@t2av159 How would you feel if the same thing happened to you? It's not just sharing a photo, it's significantly damaging to not only the woman's self esteem and mental health but also to her reputation and credibility. It was an extremely horrible thing to do, and it will follow her for the rest of her life. While one horrible action doesn't automatically make Mailloux a horrible person, if you read reports further, you'll find that his 'apology' was a three line text message. He clearly isn't remorseful. So really, seriously try to put yourself in the shoes of the young woman, where the guy that did horrible things and never truly apologized became a first round draft pick in a major sports league. It's disgusting. And is he supposed to magically become a better person in the Canadiens' organization? Their GM, Bergevin, was the director of player personnel for the Chicago Blackhawks during their atrocious scandal in 2010. Do you really think he wasn't aware of it? Additionally, this is a GM who tried to sign Slava Voynov after his domestic abuse was made public, tried to sign Tony DeAngelo, and also hired Sean Burke. Sure, Mailloux is 18 and he may have time to change, but Marc Bergevin is a grown-ass man who has repeatedly put morals in the garbage can so that he can make a little more money. He should be thoroughly ashamed, and he definitely should not have an NHL job.
I'm sorry that I got a little bit rant-y there. My point was, please try to put yourself in that young woman's shoes before you say it's insignificant. Try to imagine the humiliation you'd have to go through, both socially and with employment/career, and how it would impact your social and emotional well-being.
@@kayleehudson7284 It was definitely not proper what he did. But we are going a little overboard here. The photos are embarrassing, but in which way are these supposed to sully her reputation? Or ruin her social life? You ask to consider how I would feel if it happened to me? Well, a little red faced, I guess, but no, it would not be a Greek tragedy either...
Any teams that picks him this year cares more about winning then the poor woman who is now on international stage in news. Montreal is the only team that picked him.
@@marc11 whats her name? i literally don't even know her name, or think this story is embarrassing for her because its so... whats the word? common....
@@marc11 i didn't say it was right i said the story isn't special, the story is a girls life. were living this right now, were trying to uproot an entire culture of distructive sexual behaviors and habits and mentalities, do any of you really grasp the gravity of that? does anyone actually get how likely what happened to her is to happen? do you understand how likely it is that it might've been worse? we can't ruin his life and not just because hes a minor too. That part you need to understand you're out of line with criticism and out of depth, but besides that... i life in the real world, where its brutal and by comparison. this kids behavior is tame. we cant do what your doing criticism wise With no distinct exact recourse or rehabilation in society, post consequences. He paid his fine, thats what was asked of him. end of story honestly. But no, No. you can't seem to understand even continuing to talk about this puts a spotlight on this girls life, when both of the participants here need to move forward past this and simply never be in these situations again. for the health of all parties he needs peace as well.
@@marc11 whats crazy is no one asked the people in charge of the investgation why the most the could get from the kid was a fine, if what he did was so horrible? We could have a real conversation here, but i don't feel like anyone is interested in being genuine about this situation. Caring about people genuinely. all i see is people virtue signaling about the morality of a situation that neither party never undo and that WE have nothing to do with.
Add to this that Bergevin is connected to the Blackhawks scandal (was director of player personnel), it becomes pretty clear how he feels about sexual assault.
Not quite since as of this moment, there's no allegation, evidence, testimony, etc that he was connected. The only thing people are doing is going by probability -- that anyone in the organization in 2010 must have known. So while it should be criminally investigated, GMs like Bergevin and Chevaldayoff are not (yet) connected. We simply don't know yet if they're lying when stating they had no knowledge. Did they know for certain that a player was assaulted at the threat of violence, or did they just hear rumours that something transpired between player and coach without knowing the entire story? Investigate and banish them from the league if they knew the full details, but right now it's a stretch to say they're all connected.
@@Edge10 it's being reported that this was widely known within the Blackhawks organization. That being said, it's highly unlikely that someone so close to the players and coaches had no clue. Hopefully the result of the investigation will be released, and then we'll have a better idea of who knew what.
What?? Wow nice conclusion jumping. You’re making a big assumption based on nothing. You could make the same accusation of Toews, Kane, or any person in the Chicago system.
....the Despicable things and horrors that went on at the Maple Leafs Gardens back in the 1970s. I wonder how many people in the Leafs organization knew what Gord Stuckless was doing behind closed doors?
Yo Adam, chill out dude... not like he killed her... why would they care about her anyway? And your example of the car accident is so bad... here is what you should say... "would your employer care about the one you hit with your car?" You seem so concerned about it that it shades your judgment
I actually agreed with most he said other than the car accident analogy. He said if someone hits someone with a car he will still get arrested. Mailloux is a convicted felon, that is the same proportionate punishment.
@@brendanphillipps6627 Can't blame the organization who drafted the guy of not taking care of her... The organization has nothing to do with what happened before and the only thing they should care of is making sure the guy heal his mind and become a better person and that he won't do any other stupid stuff while he is in the organization. It's sad for her, but the reality is that she is not important in the equation. Sad truth
@@Spot-0n yeah I guess. I dont agree with it but at least your being honest. I dont think this kid is as bad as Mitchell miller but I heard he posted the pics on instant and tagged her, dumbest thing ever. To your point, Montreal seems to have good character in the locker room such as weber and Gallagher. Lets just hope that molds him from a dumb kid into a responsible man.
@@t2av159 ok it says he was criminally convicted on every website ive read. Is there a difference between criminally convicted and convicted felon ? That might be where I went wrong. That being said, i used the conviction to his defense on how he was punished.
So, I have been thinking about Adam's comment -- what about investing in the woman? With all of its resources, an NHL team should be able to do a lot of good in that young woman's life. That is what should have happened. No team should have picked Logan, and those interested in him as a player should have ponied up and looked to the victim first. Bergevin is a loose cannon. That is what the twenty seconds of silence meant.
I don't agree that the NHL should give the woman financial compensation, because that will open the door for a lot of false accusations in the future. I don't believe that this woman is making a false accusation, especially considering Mailloux's admission of remorse. But there are lots of women out there who will falsely accuse hockey players of wrongdoing because they think it is a lottery ticket for them. As much as it is sad that this happens, it does happen.
@@js09js09 I understand your concern, but which is the greater concern? Let's walk both situations to the end. Situation A: In a society where victims are compensated there will false reports. I agree with you that some people will be looking for a payday. Those with money will investigate these claims, and only pay when there is a reasonable credulity to the allegations. If the system is fair more people will come forwards and the people who commit the crimes will be more afraid. Situation B: In a society where the focus is on the "earners" -- the hockey players that teams have a financial incentive to help -- these types of allegations will be marginalized and stigmatized. Fewer people come forward, the powerful become entrenched. I think as a society we want to be moving from a scenario B to a scenario A. The powerful will always support their agenda, but if we are operating from a "respect the victim" mentality then we have some balance. Balance is key here. I am not a fan of "toxic fragility" where the world is seen through the polarizing filter of the "abusers" and the "victims." I think that is a repugnant way to see the world. I ask for a world of fairness and justice. What I liked about Adam, Jesse, and Steve's take is that they weren't trying to "cancel" Jordan. They took a sane approach. Jordan needs to make amends, as best he can, with the woman whose intimacy he violated. He grows up, faces the consequences, and then everyone moves forwards. That is progressive. Bergevin inserted himself into the situation out of greed and was entirely insensitive to the situation. Bad on him. Bad on the Canadiens. Bad on the NHL. Bad on hockey. Bad on North America. I watch hockey to cheer for a colour, in my case blue. It is a microcosm of our society. I want to see courage, compassion, and skill. I want to believe in ideals like teamwork, sacrifice, and community. I want to see the other colours as part of the same community. I want the other colours to be strong and fierce opponents who make our victories sweeter and our losses sadder. I want to respect them and be respected by them in return. It is a silly and fond thing to cheer for a team, but it only makes sense in the context of the microcosm of a shared society. Sports can help shape a better world.
Been a week people are calling what happened with Maillous a sex crime...Like he flashed kids or rape tons of girls...That is so overblown ! It's a grave mistake , and a dumb one...But not sex offender level one which is how the media are treating it, which is absurd and non professionnal at best...He shared photo the girl older than him didn't want to take because he was cocky...there was personnal info on it...It's bad, but not sex offender predator bad !!! INSANITY
The league should not have made him available at the draft... like the boy said its a privilege to play in the NHL. Montreal was in a position to take him because someone else would have taken him... PR problem or not. Blame the league... they got this one wrong!!
The league couldn't do that, there is no bylaw allowing the league to rescind draft availability. And the league can't just change the rules by itself, it needs approval from owners/GMs. As for him being available and someone else could have drafted him, let them. There's hundreds of young hockey players available for the draft and every pick is basically a lottery ticket. Some have better odds of become a useful players, but there's no guarantee. If some other team wanted to draft the guy, let them. Let them deal with the shitstorm, let them deal with the headaches and the backlash. To go through with this, especially in one of the two biggest hockey markets in the world is just dumb.
@@nada55666 Gary Bettman has the power to do what he sees fit for the league without the GM's approval... he is their voice. "The Commissioner shall serve as the Chief Executive Officer of the League and is charged with protecting the integrity of the game of professional hockey and preserving public confidence in the League."
Why do you take some sentence without the full contenst and without showing all the interview cause if u watch the clip it dosnt sound the same but alright go toronto go lol
Is it crazy to disagree with the statement that "her opinion is the only one that should matter"? If that were the case, Patrick Kane would still be in jail and Kobe Bryant would still be alive, on account of being in jail.
They were specifically talking about whether his apology was good enough or not. And that her opinion is the only one to consider when determining that. Nothing about the judicial process
But there are always two sides to one story, judicial instances or elsewhere. What the press decides to do with those two sides is a separate issue. Listening to both sides does not equate ignoring the victim nor does it mean giving both sides equal "value". And it certainly does not mean accepting both sides as true.
@@TeamOT I completely agree that both sides should be heard whether in court or not. But I just felt like that you took their quote out of context because in no way did they say that the side of the accused doesn't matter in a court of law. And I only bring up courts and the judicial process because you used Kane and Bryant going to jail as your examples.
No they broke no rules you're right. They just did something shitty. Court dealt with it, sure. But he's a convicted sex offender. If someone on the sex offender registry moved in next door to you, would you be thrilled and invite him over for coffee? Yeah I didn't think so. Yeah, they could draft him. Should they though? That's the point. They did, against the player's own wishes.
To me, the wildest aspect of this story: I've heard that of 32 NHL teams, only like 11 had this kid on their "do not draft" list. SHOULD have been 32 of 32, completely insane that the majority were cool with picking up this player "quietly" in the later rounds, against his public wishes and all common decency. All that said, even if he was going to be drafted anyway, Montreal did not need to reward this kid with a 1st round pick. There were plenty of other great options still available. As it stands, drafting him in the 1st round into the MTL fishbowl throws the victim, the player, the franchise, and the entire league under the bus. No winners here.
In 2020 we ended the first round with the Sharks signing a picked player's name on air so his deaf mother could witness her son being picked. In 2021 we get a sexual criminal being rewarded and a shitty PR stunt. This league is heading in a really great direction.
U ppl don’t notice that he believes he can help him mature and fix his character😂 Everyone makes mistakes as well as get a second chance and this is his chance to make up for it
.....why would you not take the high road..kudos to the Habs for extending a helping hand........beat them on the ice...not with whiney supposition and cherry picking about the antics of a 17 year old.......
How is he gonna get in contact with the victim she literally said that she wants to ruin his life and her lawyer is probably not gonna let that connection follow through because they want that money
Logan made a BIG mistake and he paid for that an enormeous price . Now live him alone, he has the right to a second chance and f. the OHL he will sign and play in the AHL in Laval . Im very happy to have him on my Habs team he will become a superstar in the NHL, welcome to Montreal Logan we love you.
@@chrishansen8477 it absolutely has bearing on my life.i dont want my son to think its ok to do that to girls . And i dont want my daughtet to think that guys who do this will not get repercussions even though they are good at hockey.
@@nerdnec Nope. You're not gonna put the blame on the victim you dinasaur. This is 2021 get out of here. Read a book and listen to victims, you clearly have much to learn.
@@nerdnec Also, the person alledged to have abused the player told him if he told anyone he would make sure his career was over. Inform yourself in the future instead of shaming the victim.
I believe in rehabilitation for sex criminals. Rehabilitation is being held accountable, taking years of classes and self-reflection, and penance. Finding a way to apologize to the victim (not directly if the victim is uncomfortable), even if the apology is not accepted. Rehabilitation is not getting your dream job that will pay you millions after one apology while your victim will suffer for years and years. I don't care if other teams were going to draft him. Even if it was my team that drafted him I would be furious.
What a pick by bergy mallioux has a ton of skill! What he did wasn’t right but in today’s day and age this happens daily! Teams said they were going to draft him in the later rounds lets not forget what matthews did yet you haven’t said a word about that
its crazy if toronto had drafted him he would fit right in and theyd be bragging about him being a steal , its sad that these 3 dont say anything about keefe and his background
100% with you on this one... sometimes these 3 lack detailed evidence before yapping away like they usually do, and bla, bla, bla... overreacting for views once more...
mind boggling Their judgment was so poor they didn't see this stuff coming before hand should be very very concerning to any Habs fan. They clearly weren't prepared for the backlash, had nothing prepared to go to the media, didn't have any answers at all for the obvious question that were going to be asked. It's like they thought they would draft him, put out on statement that that would be it... SMH just mind bogglingly poor judgment by an entire management group in Montreal... not one person stood up and said hey this looks really bad and all these questions are going to be asked, shouldn't we be prepared with answers... it either didn't happen or someone in charge said no... good luck with that Montreal fans, you are going to need a ton of it.
Except that he was. If you're saying that they'd rather have taken someone like Power or Hughes, then I think you may be confused about how choices work.
I hate to think this or say this but Montreal just got beat in the Stanley Cup Finals by a teams that was able to skirt the rules so they could be well over the cap during the playoffs. I hope it's not the reason, but what if Montreal decided to check ethics and morals at the door after losing to Tampa the way they did .
Also, what is the Statute of Limitations for a civil suit? That’s 30 minutes with a legal guest right there. There are a lot of things being juggled here.
I don’t think he cared about getting drafted he just new this incident would push him down farther he probably wanted to go next year to try and get higher in the draft
I wish you got this wound up about Austin Matthews. Maybe with both the London Knights and Montreal Canadiens helping everyone involved this terrible situation some sort of healing can happen for both parties. You guys sound alot like CNN , I usually enjoy your podcasts but clearly all 3 of you are perfect and have never made a mistake.
Mathews exposing his underwear-covered butt is not even in the same universe as taking secret pics of a woman during sex and then sharing the photos. If you think those two things are comparables you likely also believe Bergevin had no idea that his players in Chicago were being sexually abused, despite everyone around him knowing.
@@seemyworld1 Both are bad , both situations had victims , hopefully both women can get the help they need , but these 3 men acting the way they are is not helping. We all make mistakes , especially at 16 -18 , hopefully if your kids made a stupid mistake they dont get crucified by the media. If he was a leaf pic this would be a dead issue , like Matthews , like ...well I wont go back that far .
@@chouienglish4443 so I'm guessing if that was your daughter that was the victim in this scenario you'd tell her to just "get over it"? Got the father of the year right here people.
@@youzettasonsofdigits1639 Jesus Christ , I am not saying sweep it under the rug , yes , talk about it , help the girl , help the family , help all involved . He who without sin cast the first stone . I am sure the young lady wishes the whole situation would just go away, wishes it never happened. By drawing so much media attention to it is not going to help her. It needs to be talked about in a calm and helpful manner.
The media consensus on this rubs me completely the wrong way. It's all backwards and upside-down. Do I wish that Bergevin didn't draft Mailloux? No, I don't. Because if wishes came true, I'd simply wish that Mailloux didn't do that thing to that girl that got him into so much trouble. Or would I? Maybe I'd wish instead that the things that happened to Mailloux that led up to him making the decision to violate that girl's privacy did not happen. But then, how does Mailloux learn anything about how not to treat people? My point is, Bergevin's decision to draft Mailloux has NOTHING to do with bringing justice for this girl or making things better for her. NOTHING. You all know it, and I know it. Whether the Habs draft him this year, or some other team drafts him next year or in three years or whatever, it doesn't do anything to un-malign this girl or un-invade her privacy, or to reclaim any lost dignity. And yet, I sit here and listen to virtue signals from Adam Wylde like "Hers is the only opinion that matters.". That is such garbage. You don't believe that for a moment, Adam - you've only deluded yourself into believing that you must say it. Of course, this kid Mailloux's life must go on - he's not going to have his head lopped off for sharing a dirty picture of his girlfriend. The question is, what are the LEGAL ramifications that this kid faces that are proportional to his offense? Is he going to suffer meaningful loss? Is there anything that can be fairly, punitively compensated for the girl that he can pay in order to make restitution for what he did? The Montreal Canadiens organization is under no obligation to punish this kid for what he did in Sweden. It had nothing to do with their organization, and it had nothing to do with hockey. Neither are the Habs under any obligation to sacrifice any business/operational plans simply to satisfy misdirected mob outrage. It is not Bergevin's fault that this kid did the thing he did, and it's simply not just and not fair to pretend otherwise. Getting hockey fans stirred up against a GM for making a perfectly legal and conscientious business decision is just another cancel-hungry example of media-fuelled misplaced outrage because media personalities like yourselves have no idea how to channel the public sentiment you spin up from all the over-excited rhetoric that is churned out on a daily basis. Please, give me one good explanation how waiting until next year to draft this kid helps the girl he victimized.
@@NLSNcs 100% agreed. But I think the outrage would be about 95% as much if it were a random team like Edmonton or Vancouver. Bergevin had no right to make a move like that. Neither did Chicago or Winnipeg or even Florida
@@NLSNcs Yes I agree but it's the fact that this isn't his first strike. Bergevin's involvement with Chicago's scandal makes this pick a pattern, not just a misjudgement from Bergevin.
The kid made a major mistake. To criticize the Canadians for picking him last in the first round when someone would have likely taken him in round 2 is just sad. Being drafted isn't his choice and there is no reason to think that by the time he is NHL ready that anyone will even remember this history. These days people don't pay any attention to anything for long.
Yet nobody wants to talk about Matthews breaking into that lady’s car in the parking level while drunk and then mooning her, and this happened WHILE he was an adult. But because he’s an established superstar for the Make BeLaffs, you’re not allowed to mention it.
...what? he literally lost the captaincy for it and was called "captain underpants" by the toronto media for almost a year. you need to delete your comment... it isn't worth potentially risking your life.
@@UltraViolence90 mate i'm not threatening crap, leaf fans are nuts and will come after him. there was a guy on twitter who jokingly wrote "the best way to solve world hunger is to just eat lol." he was doxxed *AND* swatted for it. this guy is actively mocking matthews and the leafs organization as a whole, and the fanbase is notorious for mysteriously finding addresses and running lives. it's a friendly piece of advice that he should follow.
I wish the Chicago story used up only half as much ink in the last two months than this has the last few days. It shouldn't be that surprising that professional athletes, established or not act like huge pieces of it. being told they're the best, riding in buses with their team wearing suits from a young age. You got money, power and ego in the same basket. ''When you're a star, you can do anything...''
I don’t agree with what this young man did. But I can tell you 80% of guys are doing the same thing as this kid. Let’s be honest!!! It’s not right. Guys older or young they’re all either showing sexting pics or passing them on. To make this guy feel like he raped or or beat her is terrible. He shouldn’t be held down his whole life. Come on
This puts context into the allegations from the Chicago Blackhawks' organization when Bergevin was there. This speaks to an unacceptable culture in hockey management and the sport in general in context to several kinds of behaviour that would be considered unacceptable and toxic in any other workplace.
Would love to see your take if thr leafs drafted him. Most the league was interesting in taking him in the second or later. It the leagues job to remove him from the draft, no team is going to pass on a first round talent because he didn't want to get drafted. I feel like you guys are new to pro sports.
There was other teams intrested to draft him at second round, so Montreal felt they needed to pick him at 31. Maybe all blame is not to Montreal, the whole hockey culture is crooked.
Boys.... You lost some credibility here You weren’t able to address the root moral issue Your asserting your own judgements of when this kid deserves a second chance. Poor reasoning on Timmons clip. His point was clear, they felt kid was fully remorseful. Actions need to prove it, Habs ,along with half the population agreed. You don’t and that’s ok as well but at least recognize the remorse of the young man is the heart of the issue from the Habs perspective. Of course they and we all want full healing for the young lady...
I think this is about sportsmanship aswell, maybe another team would have liked to pick him before Montreal. The league could have said we made an agreement with the teams to pick him next year.
"If Hannibal Lecter ran a 4.3, we'd probably diagnose it as an eating disorder."
-Steve Keim (Arizona Cardinals GM)
To paraphrase billy beane in money ball, bergevin probably said, “his personal life does not matter”.
@@robrick9361 that’s not paraphrasing, that’s a quote.
@@robrick9361 k
He was convicted and fined in Sweden, he did apologize to this young lady. He submitted himself to the Swedish legal system and under their laws he paid the required penalty. His actions were classless and he paid the price. I’m sick of this throw them in the water, if it floats it’s a witch, if it sinks it’s a witch mentality. We are creating a society with no pathways to redemption.
It is because our society has become narcissistic and is getting increasingly narcissistic as time goes on. Everyone nowadays thinks they are a celebrity, or thinks they are better than they actually are just because they might get a lot of likes on social media. It has created a society where a lot of people ride atop a high-horse and judge anyone they feel is inferior to them. People now believe they don't do anything wrong and they are always right. Getting 10-15 likes on their social media posts feed into this narcissism and self-righteous attitude.
Absolutely 100%
@@js09js09 that’s an astute point, I’m not excusing his actions. I feel they are abhorrent, but this me too movement has blurred the lines between actual predators and kids like Logan. She may never forgive him and that’s her prerogative. From my chair I can not currently nor will I ever be able to judge ones heart.
He did not apologize, not properly.
@@cleementine and wtf is that supposed to mean, properly? It's all subjective and if the victim does not like his apology, well that's just too bad for her.
So they drafted him. He acted like an idiot like a lot of young guys do, but the only ones who “don’t” believe in second chances will be the first ones to crow about how they “knew this all along that the kid would straighten himself out”. He’s a great player. Don’t worry people like these 3 will shout out loud that they “knew” he would straighten himself out. Now why not look in the mirror about Micheal Vick. What he did was dispicable and the media was all over him, BUT they in the end said he needed a second chance and was given that chance.
The problem is there were no consequences for his actions. He committed a sex crime, but because he can play hockey, he can move on like nothing happened. I don't believe a word of his "statement" which was clearly written by his agent and publicist. The kid wasn't sorry about what he did, he was only sorry it got out.
I think Michael Vick was given way too light of a sentence for the horrible things he did and I hate the fact that he was able to get out and restart his career like nothing happened. With that being said, at the very least, he spent some time in prison. It's not enough but at least it's something.
@@nada55666 the legal system in sweden took the case and determined that the fine was enough for the crime. Society has no right to be judge and juror for a crime who has been paid
You 3 hypocrites. Shameful. Let's talk about Matthews exposing himeself to a female security guard. Where is your outrage for that. ?? Why aren't you 3 on your soapbox still demanding his release.
Shameful
Matthews wrote a cheque to get off... Dubas stood behind his player. Zero consequences
There is never any consistency. Good comment
This is exactly what I was thinking. They’ll probably just brush it off and say “ oh the Matthew’s situation was way different” Classic hypocritical justification.
22 minutes and 10 seconds were spent complaining, and not one piece of criticism was constructive.
“We need to talk...”
This kind of talk only further angers those who are already upset, and alienates those who are neutral or sympathetic toward Logan.
Nothing was offered, nothing was clarified, nothing was gained.
As a counter, this, much like the Blackhawks scandal, is not being covered whatsoever in the United States. It's just not a news story here that Bergevin has been up to some very suspect things over his career. While Canadians may feel that both of these stories - both of which have had a specific focus within the Steve Dangle Podcast - are being covered comprehensively in their media, having videos on these subjects, in the US? It's a godsend for actually learning about the gravity of these situations and why they matter. It's a difference in exposure to the issue.
I would argue you're describing most talk media. Any topic. Any medium.
4:38 "The victim's opinion is the only one that matters"; that's not even how restorative justice works
6:09 A person can be "a crazy person" or vindictive and also "a victim of a sex crime" -- the two are not mutually exclusive.
10:50 The Montreal Canadiens have no affiliation with the victim, and by bringing her name or status as a victim into the PR statement only further put attention on her which, you allege would harm her through societal stigma. By recognizing the fault, and committing to awareness, the organization has gone beyond its fiduciary duties and acted positively to social justice.
11:17 Why would a genuine matter such as paying for therapy be done in public? That's a PR move; further, it admits to some sort of guilt or wrongdoing on the part of the Montreal Canadiens by selecting Mailloux.
11:46 His age after the fact is a moot point; and the apology, whether genuine or not, is supported by his personal admission to withdraw from the draft. You do not get tried for a crime as an adult when you committed it as a minor, why would the rationality change in terms of the court of public opinion?
13:30 The notion that an organization cannot consider someone who has problems in their personal life, and select them--whether through draft or trade--is absurd. The real problem is the emphasis on character that Bergevin continuously makes, which led to the trade of Subban prior to his NMC, and the removal of Zack Kassian for his substance abuse problems.
16:30 This is horrible PR at best, no question
17:50 Boiling down business to greed when it conflicts with social justice or whatever moral position you share is absurd, and the crux of the entire problem Canadian media has. It's a progressive dilemma, and nothing more. The Montreal Canadiens can hold his rights, and let support him, and even to some degree support the victim. Mailloux can be selected despite not wanting to be, change his mind on being selected, and still be remorseful or repentant, and act in a way that benefits according to restorative models, not punitive. And the victim can both be a victim, and be vindictive. The story is not black and white, sex crimes are not black and white, and the notion that there is some unique violation of autonomy or stigma here is quite odd, considering the aforementioned stigma is only a stigma if you perceive it as such, and certainly the progressive-minded people are pro-sex work and anti-rape culture would not stigmatize victims accordingly.
18:00 your driving example is a criminal charge that has punitive punishment in an adjudicative courtroom, and its consequences dealt out by the law, not by commercial businesses. It fails as a prima facie example. This is incorrect social justice belief, and if made true, is quite indicative of genuinely censorious civil society and authoritarian government.
A defense of this situation, because it is being blown out of proportion adjacent to the Blackhawks scandal.
No need to @ me.
Very well written in true legal terms. You make very good points.
very good comment. a jewel of clarity in a sea of shrieking soy boys. thank you
@1:10 Adam's suggestion that the NHL considering changing the rule so that players can renounce themselves from the draft would be absolutely horrible for hockey. Because it would open up the possibility of players renouncing themselves just because they don't want to go to certain teams. It defeats the purpose of one of the main purposes of the draft, which is to allow weaker teams to accumulate good prospects. Owen Power could have renounced himself this year (and any other year) if the team picking 1st wasn't to his liking.
I know, these guys have no clue what they are talking about most the time.
@@tjmcmaster lol whatever you have to tell yourself man.
Accept that it won’t. You hear it all the time in the NBA or the NFL. Joe Borrow coming back to avoid Cincy, Zion avoiding NOLA, Lawrence avoiding Jax etc. They all went to the teams that earned the pick. Total mainstream sports BS.
@@Weedmen337 NBA and the NFL have monopolies over their sport. NHL doesn't. Not only that, but every league of hockey you earn money is considered pro, so you can skip your entry level contract all together if you want to. The KHL is becoming more and more mainstream, and they are paying far better than the NHL. The NHL is not in a good spot right now and teams like the Canadiens which practically pays for one of the lower teams, like buffalo. hold a significant amount of power.
I mean you can simply add a clause to that very easily where you just can't opt out cause you feel like it. Reserve it for legal or severe family issues
hey guys... Stop clutching your pearls. Tell me was Mathews a perfect young man???
Kane and Kane as well
Maybe we can stop crucifying a 17 year old kid who made a mistake and owned up to it.. apparently the picture just had her hair and a bra strap in it. What he did was wrong but it's getting way too much attention especially when everyone's been hush hush on a much worse situation going on in Chicago.
I actually think this was a calculated distraction to lure the media away from the Chicago story.
@@commissioner1969 that possible
@@commissioner1969 no it probably makes it worse because Bergevin was part of the front office during the Chicago scandal
I agree with the 2nd part but we’re not canceling him in any way, he said himself that he wasn’t ready, why draft him then. Also he didn’t really suffer because he was expected to be taken in the first round anyway. He doesn’t deserve to be rewarded for his actions
@@dhruvdath1815 he wasn't rewarded for his actions, he was fully punished by law. he was rewarded for the 16 years of hard work and dedication to hockey despite of his crime (which was not a sex crime btw)
Youth criminal files in Canada are sealed at 18. It's not always popular but if this happened in Canada there's a good chance we wouldn't even know about it.
I don't care what anyone says... And I don't care how bad what Mailloux did was (and don't get me wrong: it was very bad): nothing disgusts me like an angry mob of holier-than-thou do-gooders hammering on a teenage kid, not wanting to give him a chance to grow out of this... It gives quite an insight on basic human psychology, and it's not pretty.
Don't care either what's your opinion if you can't understand that the victim should be prioritized over a stupid hockey player. Not everyone should have the right to vote, and you're a prime example of this. Some stuff are more important than a meaninless sport, but you can't understand that. Bye.
@@-gumby-3381 Many things can be true at once. That girl was the victim of the kid's stupidity. Now the kid himself is victim of yours.
Ok I think two things can be true:
- We should not diminish the crime Logan committed.
- We should give a 17 years old a chance to redeemed himself.
For context, if it happened in Canada it would be illegal to talk about because he was 17 at the time.
And I think the identity of the victim should strictly confidential, the help shouldn't come from the Habs but from the swedish government.
Also there are consequences to his crime, these were establish by a judge in Sweden. We're not judges, psychiatrist or social workers, let the professionals do their jobs.
Okay I have a problem with your argument just because you are going off of Canadian laws does not mean anything. I'm sorry, but this crime of not only doxing, but also distribution of c p and distribution of sexually explicit content without someone's consent is a terrible crime that regardless of the age of that person, if they were underage as well or overage, it would be covered in the local media. In America, and many other countries Logan would have been tried as an adult for what he had done, and probably convicted as well. What everyone has the problem with is that, this is a perpetuation of the allowing of persons with a history of this kind of behavior to be rewarded within the NHL, exactly like the Blackhawks were The time that is now covered in those lawsuits. Every League has two major issues. The NFL with concussions and players committing domestic abuse and assault. The MLB has an issue with bad umpires and cheating. The NBA, players refusing to get vaccinated like Kyrie Irving, and a lack of parity. NHL's issues are hard hits and concussions, and organizations covering up and covering for sex criminals. For me, the worst ones are the domestic abuse committed by NFL players and the sex abuse being covered up by NHL organizations. This is a very bad look. The victim matters more than the player. The player has made his mistake already. The victim is still feeling of a consequences and may still feel the consequences for decades of humiliation and seeing him in the bright lights whenever the Canadians win if he joins the organization. I'm sorry, but the NHL should have denied this pick from happening And just told the Canadians, for trying to pick someone who has relinquished themself from the draft, you no longer have a draft pick. The NHL needs to have a very hard stance on this kind of conduct to be able to keep it from happening in the future. The NHL safety organization has suspended players for 20 to 50 games for exceedingly hard hits and repeat offenses of checking or hitting a defenseless player. They need to have an equal if not harsher stance on the sex crimes that have occurred. They cannot just wave a blind eye to it. That is unacceptable, and in my mind criminally complicit. Logan should have been barred from the draft for at least one year, if not two by the NHL before the draft even took place. They did not do that because they are cowards. The Canadians drafted him because they are greedy and want to make this into their little sob story that they can be like. Oh look at this kid that we entirely On our own changed his persona and made him into the player that he is now. They are greedy and they need to be punished for what they have done which is made it so that future NHL prospects think, oh, I can get away with one or two things before I get drafted, when they never should!!!
Looks horrible like a week removed from Bergevin saying he knew nothing about the sexual assault stuff in chicago while he was there
RIGHT!?
U ppl don’t notice that he believes he can help him mature and fix his character😂 clowns
@@rush3r975 not the point
@@rush3r975 Against the victim and offender's will. I'm sure all this negative attention on him is doing him a survice to his personal journey. I'm sure he learned his lesson by being picked in the first round. Yes. You people can't put the victim first, shame. If you can't get up to speed in 2021 maybe don't participate in society all together. Bye you dinosaur.
4:33 "her (the victim's) opinion is frankly the only one that matters, right?..." Wrong. People say this all the time, and hence prove they haven't given it a serious thought, because it's actually not true. It can't be. A world where only the "victim's" opinions matter would be hell on earth. If you don't believe me, watch where this world is going: we're almost already there, and its not a kinder world. It's harsher and angrier. Stop all the judging and virtue signaling; start thinking more, about all the victims, the obvious ones, and the less obvious ones. What if the victim wants this kid to commit suicide? What are you going to do then with your stupid principle regarding "her opinion being the only one that matters"?
Yikes what a way to say that you dont care about the victim
@@hysterical6243 You're dead wrong. Read again. And think things through.
@@MrDonquichotte No, she’s actually right, the examples you’re referring to are “ongoing cases” where victims haven’t proven the guilt of the accused. This is a case where the accused is proven guilty, so his opinion means nothing at this point. I get what you’re saying but this isn’t one of those cases.
@@seanweatherson534 I appreciate your thought and thoughtfulness, but with all due respect, I actually don't think you're getting my point. I'm not talking about specific cases. I'm pointing out that no victim should have any claim to absolute, permanent and exclusive innocence, because such innocence paves the way to tyranny. And again, if you don't believe me, just wait and see, we're getting there. The thing is victims (and I don't mean false victims, I mean real ones), can also victimize other people, can make other victims, including those who victimized them in the first place. There can be no end to this unless one chooses to put some trust in institutions and turn the page. My bottom line is: the kid was 17, he did something stupid and hurtful, he paid a heavy price, now let's all move on. There is a strong case to be made that moving on is better for everyone, including the victim. What's the other option? Endless resentment?
Honestly.. The kid has paid what was due for his mistake. Time to move on and let the kid be. He didn't rape her or attack anyone physically. He shared a picture.
If legally he's paid his crime, it's time to move on. Dragging this, only makes it worse.
NFL and nba players get caught doing illegal things and still get drafted and no one talks about it this much.
Didn't Matthews get charge with disorderly conduct for trying to open the car door with a woman inside at 2am? Was this big of a deal done? Nope. Moved on once it was behind him. Did we talk about Matthews being kicked out? Nope.
HE may have moved on, but the girl who was photographed without consent is scarred for life whether he gives a heartfelt apology or not. It's only fair that he gets a bad reputation too.
Matthews is completely different. He literally just mooned a cop with his underwear still up. I actually had a buddy in high school who mooned a teacher also with his underwear still up. Know what he got? After school detention. That's it. Now imagine if what with Mailloux happened in high school. Not only is he getting expelled he's going to juvie.
No this is disgusting
@@youzettasonsofdigits1639 I'm sorry... But Matthews tried to open the car door of a woman who was inside at 2am. Wtf are you talking about mooning?
If I was a woman inside my car at 2am and a stranger tried to open it.... I would be scared of getting raped, injured or robbed. That's a more terrifying situation then a picture being shared.
I don't know where you got your mooning story.
@@thisismarkbro and trying to open the car door of a woman at 2am without her consent isn't? Lol. Gotta be kidding me
@@alexc1926 he should have been kicked out. Since he still in the league he is fine.
Would Mailloux go undrafted if Montreal doesn't take him ?I doubt it.
So? Let another team deal with this.
@@nada55666 He's going to be a stud on Montreal's blue line in a few years so NO
Thats the way kids think. Well someone else was gonna do it so there.
Sadly yes he was gonna be draft ...
@@jfblanchard1 should they have kicked Mathews, Kane and Kane out of the league for theie run ins with the law?
There's a bit of hypocrisy here. Half the teams in the NHL were going to pick him as a 2nd rounder. Less prestige and attention on the 2nd day of the draft. The Canadiens said f...k it. Our 31st pick is basically a 2nd rounder. We'll take the heat. Hell maybe the leafs would have taken him in the 2nd round. Hockey is a business first and foremost. All 32 NHL franchises are well aware of this fact.
So, an honorable team and its honorable management, would have passed the nasty little pornographer by and--as these guys said--let the other teams show their disrespect and lack of conscience.
I have a hard time understanding an adult using this logic. The whole video was about how what Montreal did was morally wrong, and some come back, it wasn't wrong someone else was going to do it if they didn't do it first. Like when I was a kid and shoplifted something, I could tell my parents, well my friend was there and if I hadn't taken it, he would have, so I'm not responsible for my action. Just blows my mind.
@@Machine3499 picking him isn’t a crime
@@gradygameplays2033 I don't even know what to say to that.... Like guy says don't pick me, I want to work on myself, team picks him, and you're rational is, well it's not illegal. I guess I can tell my child he is a piece of garbage and tear him down everyday, based on your rational, there's nothing wrong with that cause... it's not illegal.
@@Machine3499 once again you use a terrible comparison because it actually IS illegal to say that to your kid it’s called abuse
When I talk about Luke Prokop, I have to remind people who dangerous it was for him to come out as gay in the National Hockey League. That homophobia is ingrained so deeply in the culture that not a single person has dared to come out as gay until he showed up. And of course, there's always someone who comes back and tells me "Oh, it's so different now than it was 10 years ago".
10 years ago was when Brad Altrich sexually assaulted a player. 10 years ago was when a victim of said sexual assault was mocked and ridiculed by his own teammates with homophobic slurs, many of whom are still playing or working in the league. And now this year was when the Montreal Canadiens drafted a player guilty of a sex crime, making excuses for their actions the entire way.
Very little has changed.
Dude relax. In this day and age Prokop coming out is barely news with all the support that he's getting. Now more than ever 'coming out' isn't a big deal in western countries. If he had come out in a Muslim country for example then THAT would be a different thing.
Also while posting a nude photo of a girl without her consent is bad, its very far from a 'sex crime'. Seriously people need to get a grip and stop blowing everything out of proportion these days as SJWs seem to always do.
Saint Adam
Saint Steve
Saint Jesse
Steve, Adam, & Jesse clutching their pearls.
Let the person without sin cast the first stone. Stop with the bullying. A kid makes a mistake, he apologized for it, move on with your miserable lives.
He did not properly apologize for it, and HE is the one who did the bullying.
It’s nice to know that none of these guys have ever made a mistake in their lives, particularly when they were minors. My advice to anyone reading this: switch to videos by The Hockey Guy. It’s way better analysis without the radical left politics and self-righteousness of these guys.
A person being MILDLY Disciplined for a sex crime is considered to be an idea from "the radical left" to this guy. Enough said.
I don’t know about “radical left” because that’s presuming their ideas are politically ideologically driven but what we can say for certain is these guys love to moral posture. The act by the player was completely disgusting and what the organization did was sly but unless this player is a repeat offender, to insinuate a young player making a despicable and damaging mistake is beyond redemption is awfully high and mighty of them. Typical virtue signaling that is often hard to stomach from these guys
If this keeps up these guys heads are gonna explode
One can hope.
A first round exit for the Leafs after leading 3-0 with 3 shutouts should do it.
What Logan did was wrong, but the big issue is no one new about this story now everyone is jumping on this and exposing the victim into a bigger spotlight which does not help the situation. And I love how everyone is putting on their halos and wings and discussing this situation. What's funny is I never seen this with Matthew's when he pulled his pants down in front of a women, never seen this much scrutiny with Patrick kanes situation, never seen this with kobe, where was everyone with those situations. Be consistent and stop judging, God did not appoint you judge. The boy was 17, let him fix himself and leave the woman alone. It will not get fixed like this and her life will not get any better if we keep bringing her into this everyday. The pick was shocking but the least, the most shocking is the cancel culture that came in like a tsunami.
the guy got what he deserved by swedish laws. Now stop trying to ruin his career and let him get back on track and be a better person. If mtl judge that he was the best player available at that time, so be it.
He was to apologize, and he did not. What incentive is there for him to be a better person?
Players don't get to decide whether they're worthy of being drafted, teams do! There's 10,000 players that think they should be drafted and none could ever be good enough. Logan didn't renounce, his agent pressured by Bettman released that statement, Logan's relief at being drafted proved that. This whole story is farcically gutless.
I'll say this much about the Hawks PR stunt during the draft... they've been doing this for quite some time before the allegations came to light. I'm not saying it makes them any less wrong in their past actions, which I understand are extremely serious and honestly a little sickening, but recently they've been one of the most active teams in expanding their organization to involve more women. With that being said, it could've been the plan from the start to have them on stage to announce the first pick. Or perhaps it's much deeper than that, and they were just for good rep among fans. I'd like to think that's not true, as it would be a disservice to them and how good they are at their jobs.
I'd like to think it wasn't a publicity stunt, but I can't. This has been my team for decades, but recent moves (including way overpaying for too many years for a known GQP nut) makes me want to rethink things.
Bottom line?......none of this is any of your business......I found your entire segment horrible......from Adam's literal chest thumping to Dangle and his "oh my God, grow up" valley girl impression....not to mention the request for an actual and appropriate apology.....let's face it...no apology will ever be good enough for you......let the police handle it...his employer and his family and friends.....the victim deserves many things.....but I doubt a podcast selling cereal is one of them.....do you ever watch yourselves?
Oh they watch themselves... They love it. In their eyes they can't be more right. True justice warriors
Virtue Signalling: the action or practice of publicly expressing opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one's good character or the moral correctness of one's position on a particular issue.
And these boys lovvvvve to virtue signal.
And why are the London Knights not being held to task going forward...where is their accountability? The silence from them also speaks volumes
@@NLSNcs stop making excuses ....
London Knights goal is to win, not to be morality based. Teams should care but none do.
@Echs . great point. I barely remember what he did since it is never talked about it.
The moral police comes whenever they want especially if it's not a proven NHL player
@Echs . The fact is mooning someone and sharing sexual pictures of them are two different offenses, and society views them with differently. It's not that hard of concept.
@Echs . It's true that the league has too much leniency towards top players because they make such an impact on the ice. But other than broadly belonging to sexual harassment these two events are different. Being mooned vs having your intimate pictures released to the world are different things. The only person turning a blind eye to that for hockey related reasons and name-calling others in the convo is you.
DANGLE IS WEARING A DUCKS 🦆 SHIRT
Good movie!
Other NHL clubs considered drafting him in the second round. The Habs did a pre-emptive strike. The talent level of Mailloux puts him in the top 15 of the NHL prospects for the draft. This was the Habs brass deciding on a player that was the best prospect available. The character issues were secondary on drafting the player. I hate the smug, self-righteous attitude of the NHL, and other NHL clubs, when it comes to whether or not to draft a player. IF the NHL actually cared about this issue, they would have told NHL clubs to not draft him for this year, and that is how I read Mailloux's statement. He took the fall for the NHL, and the NHL presumed no hockey club would draft him. It makes the NHL look dumb. The NHL IS DUMB. They were not ahead of the ball on this. Bergevin made the call and drafted him and he had to consider their need for a right handed shot and a necessity for the club. He would not have to start right away, and would need to develop, but if you don't draft him, they miss out on a top 15 player, at a key position, a defenceman, likely to replace Weber in the near future. You are making TOO BIG a deal about the victim. Yes she is a victim, but you are making it a whole lot bigger. Your moralising and pontificating self righteous platitudes about this situation. The context is a huge issue and the moralising and grandstanding about the moral issues involved I find offensive. We live in the age of digital media and social platforms where people's lives can be destroyed by posting media online. Common decency is a joke, across society, and especially in sports. At the end of the day it was a hockey decision. The NHL dropped the ball, and should have enforced the desire of the player to not be drafted. The Habs took advantage of the NHL rules and drafted him. Just like the rest of the NHL teams were angry about how the Lightning played 18 million over the cap, and took advantage of the rules. The NHL could have done something before the playoffs but didn't. All the NHL teams would have done the same as Tampa and had players over the cap play when the cap gets thrown out for the playoffs. Montreal took advantage of the selection. In each case, the NHL dropped the ball. I just wonder what you guys would have sounded like if this had been the Leafs. Would you really be this full of rage and sanctimonious about the Leafs. You guys brag on about the Leafs and all they do to take advantage over their competition. The Leafs would have drafted Mailloux if they had the opportunity.
Not only the Clubs but the Media like these guys.
Mailloux took the fall for nothing. He got drafted in the first round, and the whole drafting incident does not pass the smell test, but rather comes off looking like a carefully orchestrated PR stunt so that Montreal could get what it wanted. To hell with the Habs! To hell with the London Knights! Furthermore, have you actually been watching and listening to these three? They do not "brag on about the Leafs" at all, especially not this year.
S. Buick You just made these guys look like idiots !!!
Completely right! Excellent comment
Mailloux made a mistake and I'm sure that he regrets it and look learned from it. Didn't our loser PM wear blackface, apologized and was forgiven?
It is because Canada is full of leftist apologists who would support Trudeau even if he murdered someone, but will sit around talking about how Trump is sending a bad message to youths by eating too much ice cream or drinking too much Coca-Cola. * (I once sat in a restaurant on a Tuesday evening, and they had CNN on one of the TVs; and these left-wing "journalists" on CNN talked for about an hour regarding Trump eating too much ice cream and drinking too much Coke, and how it sends a bad message; this type of propaganda and the need to keep everyone fired-up about Trump, even on a day when nothing made the news, is one reason why the left-wing apologists have the brainwashed mentality that they have) *
@@js09js09 A Trump fan just called someone else brainwashed.
@@TheGiua1973 you don’t have to be a trump fan to see the dogshit our media is. Lmao it was always blame the orange man.
Agreed. Adam's point was that he also needs to deal with the consequences. The process was cut short by Bergevin.
@@TheGiua1973 interesting that you didn’t argue against the substance of what he said and instead tried to dismiss him because you disagree with him politically. The media does have a blatant double standard and you can’t watch the news objectively and say it isn’t mostly propaganda.
The guy was man enough to say, I need a year to deal with this, to prove to everyone but most of all to myself that I am worthy of having the privilege of being picked to maybe play in the NHL...sounds like Montreal didn't respect his reasoning because the whole league must have known this and automatically passed on him, did Montreal do some sort of shady deal to make sure he was available that deep in the draft??? They should have respected his wish of not getting picked...period.
Several teams were planning to take Mailloux in the second round. That's precisely why Bergevin drafted him 31st. He didn't expect to have another chance. There was zero chance Mailloux wasn't getting drafted despite his request.
The guy wasn't man enough to properly apologize to his victim.
You actually think he wrote that apology and came up with that idea? My guess is his agent and his publicist were afraid of him falling to a late round, so they came up with this "recusal". It worked.
One of my in-laws works in advertising and PR as a consultant. He pretty much said from his view, everything around this including him asking not to be drafted were PR firms working their asses off to spin this. He said the fact that was more or less confirmed when Bergevin admitted he was talking to Mailloux between his statement and the draft.
@@Posit_Zero_Blue I agree, they wanted him so there was an agreement reached, Bergevin decided to go for it and he knew there would be backlash and there was...
Good on the Habs to pick this player.
He made a mistake and got punished for it. Move on.
Him asking to not be drafted is a bs pr statement. So if he isn't drafted and waits a year, what really changes? Absolutely nothing. It's not like he's going straight into the NHL. He'll have a few years to work on his game and mature as a person, in the Canadians system.
My personal favorite that I heard, Montreal said other teams were looking to draft him in the second round so they figured they take him because somebody was going to. Here's an idea, let that other team screw up and face the consequences
But who screwed up? I don't understand? The Habs would have made the mistake by passing on a better player. In three years this story is buried
So pass on the better player and let another team take him with a lower pick. Isn't the goal in hockey to win ?
@@commissioner1969 there were much better players to take in the 2nd round. Stankoven, edvinson. Bergevin screwed up because now they’ve become an embarrassment just like the blackhawks. In the end, this is still a job and at many jobs, you would be immediately fired and not rewarded for your actions
This is a problem with society. If you are a good athlete, there are little to no consequences. We have a weightlifter representing Canada at the Olympics right now who almost killed a man in a hit and run accident. The NFL has too many players to mention that have been given second and third chances ( or more) because they are great athletes. This kid didn't want to be drafted so he could try and rebuild trust. That's at least saying the right thing. He knew that the worst of this would blow over in a year and baring injury, he'd be no worse off.
@@zach3640 Yup. Which is why nobody cared either about the sex scandal in Chicago. Old boys club that's hockey for you. Who cares about the victim right, he's a good hockey player so he gets a pass on life consequences. Great model for young men to replicate. Women and victims do not care, the only purpuse in hockey is to win at all cost.
This is EXACTLY what is wrong in our society.
How can you say its bullshit he is seeing a therapist? How do you guys know?… oh and other teams were gonna draft him so get off the its only mtl plz
They drafted him and used a first round pick to do it, whoever picked him would be getting the backlash, Montreal chose him they get the headache simple as that
If toronto draft him or a american team draft him then everyone would have been ok with it. just like matthews and kane.
@@randysingh6548 whoever picked him was fucked media wise
@@randysingh6548 matthews was drunk and showed his underwear to a women. boo hoo
Got people’s eyes off of the Blackhawks scandal so the NHL loves it probably.
FYI both issues shows how bad the NHL is… should not allowed him to get drafted.
@Steven 90 ...BINGO👍👍👍. Then there’s Micheal Vick.
@Steven 90 and that is funny....why?
@Steven 90 The only thing she really saw was the brown streak from behind in the middle of his tighty whities.
@@rickmartin4886 do you know the exact facts of everything the prospects friends saw? since context clearly matters according to you for matthews? i wonder why... thats interesting XD
@@tvtda1 Not as much the player as it is how his loser team tanked to get him. I will like Matthews once he goes home to Arizona. Leafs simply suck ass! 🍁💙🤡🤡🤡🤡
The three of you seem to be doing a performance piece.
Or they're having an open and honest conversation.
@@NotMyName78 it takes emotional maturity to understand conversations like that and not everyone can. Let's not feed the trolls.
Or maybe theyre just not shitty people who understand that being a sex offender is not a “mistake”
Just being Devil's Advocate here, but (and please correct me if I'm wrong), the charges weren't dropped right? He paid a fairly hefty fine. If anything, shouldn't people's vitriol be directed towards the Swedish police who felt that what happened only merited a fine? Also, didn't Friedman also say that a bunch of GMs were line up to pick him in the 2nd round, which is why the Habs picked him at 31, cause he wouldn't be around at their next pick?
You're not exactly wrong per say, but his behaviour should not be rewarded in being drafted. Not until he has shown he has grown. It's too soon to just take his word for it. He didn't show any remorse for his actions until RIGHT NOW, which is super sus.
I loved it and I've got huge respect for Bergevin. Made the right choice for the team, hope the kid becomes a star and this'll be as forgotten as the Gilmour incident was. I can't stand watching media types cowtowing to the feminist nazi hordes. Cancel culture is in need of cancelling. Time for men to be men again.
@@somguy728 as someone who lived a fake rape allegation, I 100% agree with you. No one waits for facts anymore. Look what happened to Kane. Men can be victims too. I know this is a little off topic, but it happened when I was 21 and I'm 38 and live in Canada now and it still pisses me off
@@somguy728 here here for toxic masculinity. It's time for the adults to take charge and shove aside snowflakes.
@@709mash NHL General Managers aren't there to reward or punish players for their behavior, they select players based on skill and promise. you're acting like the main thing they should do is take a stand based on principle that you dont' wanna create a world where this kind of thing is "rewarded?" lol, grow up
Please talk about Austin matthews case a bit too hahaha
Everyone pissed off that their team did not draft mailloux. Good on Habs to take him. A 6 foot 5 defense man with offensive and defensive skills is goal.
If the Canadians offered to pay for the victim's therapy, you'd say that it's an insult to her because they still drafted Mailloux. Can't win with you guys, the bias is real
Does anyone think he's going to be a better person next year. A lot of teams would grabbed him in the second round, including the Laffs.
It was widely reported that almost everyone had him in the second round. I think Bergy might have just forgotten about the nudge nudge wink wink ( NHL GMS ) lets teach him a lesson and pick him in the 2nd round conversation.
The only thing worse than a witch hunt is a stupid with hunt.
Media clowns making out like 1st round 31st pick is a crime against humanity.
But if Buffalo took him 33rd overall in the 2nd round - and you're correct - someone was taking him - it would be all good no problem?
Hockey media types have lost the plot.
If I heard right, a large part of the lead was buried. He issues a statement saying he does not want to be drafted but he then participates in pre-draft interviews with teams (plural)? If this is correct, please comment SDP.
I would say at least 50% of ALL athletes have done the same thing. 17 year old junior teams have parties and there are people known as puck bunnies at these parties. This goes on at every age and every level in every sport. Not condoning this behavior but this was the same when I was Junior 20 years ago. Difference now is Social Media and stuff gets around.
The NHL is responsible for moral conduct, he should have been removed from the draft. Franchises are looking to build there teams for the future and are not the Moral squad !!! Just ask Mathews!!!
Mathews! You mean the poster boy and of face of the franchise Matthews? The exhibitionist "look at my junk and brown stripe" Mathews? We are talking about Captain Underpants no doubt! The only reason no charges came forward from that is none of Mathews boyfriends came forward!
@@rickmartin4886 don;t forget about Kane and Kane. Another allstar
I have always loved you guys, but hearing your stance that "They have completely neglected the victim" has placed you on a new level. Thank you for being so vocal that this kid should not be getting off easy and for putting in the spotlight the fact that Montreal does not care about the victim.
@Jeepman89 What's your point...
@Jeepman89 he sent the picture of the girl with her name and information which was publicly posted. He didn't just show his friends, the picture is online with her name for all to see.
@Jeepman89 yeah this kinda thing can't happen, stop making excuses. Just because he's 17, or because he didn't intend to distribute it public... still wrong and he should have never taken the picture.
I know appearances are just that. But he looks like a good kid who did something really stupid at 17. The consequences for the girl are obviously worse than the embarrassment he suffered, but should we end his career or expect him to commit suicide online for the benefit of all those perfect people that never made a serious mistake? And if not, what difference does it make that he is picked in the second round or next year? Would that somehow make it alright?
Great job missing the entire point. The guy ASKED not to be drafted yet so he can sort himself out and they picked him anyway.
@@strahinjagov I am pretty sure that is not the entire point. People are upset that the Habs picked an apparently horrible person. The kid can work on himself while playing in the minors.
@@t2av159 How would you feel if the same thing happened to you? It's not just sharing a photo, it's significantly damaging to not only the woman's self esteem and mental health but also to her reputation and credibility. It was an extremely horrible thing to do, and it will follow her for the rest of her life. While one horrible action doesn't automatically make Mailloux a horrible person, if you read reports further, you'll find that his 'apology' was a three line text message. He clearly isn't remorseful. So really, seriously try to put yourself in the shoes of the young woman, where the guy that did horrible things and never truly apologized became a first round draft pick in a major sports league. It's disgusting. And is he supposed to magically become a better person in the Canadiens' organization? Their GM, Bergevin, was the director of player personnel for the Chicago Blackhawks during their atrocious scandal in 2010. Do you really think he wasn't aware of it? Additionally, this is a GM who tried to sign Slava Voynov after his domestic abuse was made public, tried to sign Tony DeAngelo, and also hired Sean Burke. Sure, Mailloux is 18 and he may have time to change, but Marc Bergevin is a grown-ass man who has repeatedly put morals in the garbage can so that he can make a little more money. He should be thoroughly ashamed, and he definitely should not have an NHL job.
I'm sorry that I got a little bit rant-y there. My point was, please try to put yourself in that young woman's shoes before you say it's insignificant. Try to imagine the humiliation you'd have to go through, both socially and with employment/career, and how it would impact your social and emotional well-being.
@@kayleehudson7284 It was definitely not proper what he did. But we are going a little overboard here. The photos are embarrassing, but in which way are these supposed to sully her reputation? Or ruin her social life? You ask to consider how I would feel if it happened to me? Well, a little red faced, I guess, but no, it would not be a Greek tragedy either...
What if Logan mailloux was ranked 1-3 on the prospects list
How many team will pick him before Montreal ?
Any teams that picks him this year cares more about winning then the poor woman who is now on international stage in news. Montreal is the only team that picked him.
@@marc11 whats her name? i literally don't even know her name, or think this story is embarrassing for her because its so... whats the word? common....
@@tvtda1 so common that Justin trudeau said it was wrong for montreal to chose him. Does not sound hum common.
@@marc11 i didn't say it was right i said the story isn't special, the story is a girls life. were living this right now, were trying to uproot an entire culture of distructive sexual behaviors and habits and mentalities, do any of you really grasp the gravity of that? does anyone actually get how likely what happened to her is to happen? do you understand how likely it is that it might've been worse? we can't ruin his life and not just because hes a minor too. That part you need to understand you're out of line with criticism and out of depth, but besides that... i life in the real world, where its brutal and by comparison. this kids behavior is tame. we cant do what your doing criticism wise With no distinct exact recourse or rehabilation in society, post consequences. He paid his fine, thats what was asked of him. end of story honestly. But no, No. you can't seem to understand even continuing to talk about this puts a spotlight on this girls life, when both of the participants here need to move forward past this and simply never be in these situations again. for the health of all parties he needs peace as well.
@@marc11 whats crazy is no one asked the people in charge of the investgation why the most the could get from the kid was a fine, if what he did was so horrible? We could have a real conversation here, but i don't feel like anyone is interested in being genuine about this situation. Caring about people genuinely. all i see is people virtue signaling about the morality of a situation that neither party never undo and that WE have nothing to do with.
Add to this that Bergevin is connected to the Blackhawks scandal (was director of player personnel), it becomes pretty clear how he feels about sexual assault.
Whoa! I didnt know he had that connection. That explains a lot here.
Not quite since as of this moment, there's no allegation, evidence, testimony, etc that he was connected. The only thing people are doing is going by probability -- that anyone in the organization in 2010 must have known. So while it should be criminally investigated, GMs like Bergevin and Chevaldayoff are not (yet) connected.
We simply don't know yet if they're lying when stating they had no knowledge. Did they know for certain that a player was assaulted at the threat of violence, or did they just hear rumours that something transpired between player and coach without knowing the entire story? Investigate and banish them from the league if they knew the full details, but right now it's a stretch to say they're all connected.
@@Edge10 it's being reported that this was widely known within the Blackhawks organization. That being said, it's highly unlikely that someone so close to the players and coaches had no clue. Hopefully the result of the investigation will be released, and then we'll have a better idea of who knew what.
What?? Wow nice conclusion jumping. You’re making a big assumption based on nothing. You could make the same accusation of Toews, Kane, or any person in the Chicago system.
....the Despicable things and horrors that went on at the Maple Leafs Gardens back in the 1970s. I wonder how many people in the Leafs organization knew what Gord Stuckless was doing behind closed doors?
Just heard that Bergevin is going to sign Jake Virtanen and hire the Brad Aldrich as their new player development coach.
Lame joke
And Sign DeAngelo
@@LaneLaine4892 lamer joke
Just heard that Dubas can’t beat Bergevin in the playoffs.
@@ghostsintheforum fake news
Yo Adam, chill out dude... not like he killed her... why would they care about her anyway? And your example of the car accident is so bad... here is what you should say... "would your employer care about the one you hit with your car?" You seem so concerned about it that it shades your judgment
I actually agreed with most he said other than the car accident analogy. He said if someone hits someone with a car he will still get arrested. Mailloux is a convicted felon, that is the same proportionate punishment.
@@brendanphillipps6627 Can't blame the organization who drafted the guy of not taking care of her... The organization has nothing to do with what happened before and the only thing they should care of is making sure the guy heal his mind and become a better person and that he won't do any other stupid stuff while he is in the organization. It's sad for her, but the reality is that she is not important in the equation. Sad truth
@@Spot-0n yeah I guess. I dont agree with it but at least your being honest. I dont think this kid is as bad as Mitchell miller but I heard he posted the pics on instant and tagged her, dumbest thing ever. To your point, Montreal seems to have good character in the locker room such as weber and Gallagher. Lets just hope that molds him from a dumb kid into a responsible man.
@@t2av159 ok it says he was criminally convicted on every website ive read. Is there a difference between criminally convicted and convicted felon ? That might be where I went wrong. That being said, i used the conviction to his defense on how he was punished.
Keep talking about it guys 👌
why. They should talk about matthews and patrick kane issues with girls too.
They have ,many times. Do you listen to the podcast??
20:43 Whataboutism has also made it's way into hockey.
So, I have been thinking about Adam's comment -- what about investing in the woman? With all of its resources, an NHL team should be able to do a lot of good in that young woman's life. That is what should have happened. No team should have picked Logan, and those interested in him as a player should have ponied up and looked to the victim first. Bergevin is a loose cannon. That is what the twenty seconds of silence meant.
I don't agree that the NHL should give the woman financial compensation, because that will open the door for a lot of false accusations in the future. I don't believe that this woman is making a false accusation, especially considering Mailloux's admission of remorse. But there are lots of women out there who will falsely accuse hockey players of wrongdoing because they think it is a lottery ticket for them. As much as it is sad that this happens, it does happen.
@@js09js09 I understand your concern, but which is the greater concern? Let's walk both situations to the end.
Situation A: In a society where victims are compensated there will false reports. I agree with you that some people will be looking for a payday. Those with money will investigate these claims, and only pay when there is a reasonable credulity to the allegations. If the system is fair more people will come forwards and the people who commit the crimes will be more afraid.
Situation B: In a society where the focus is on the "earners" -- the hockey players that teams have a financial incentive to help -- these types of allegations will be marginalized and stigmatized. Fewer people come forward, the powerful become entrenched.
I think as a society we want to be moving from a scenario B to a scenario A. The powerful will always support their agenda, but if we are operating from a "respect the victim" mentality then we have some balance. Balance is key here. I am not a fan of "toxic fragility" where the world is seen through the polarizing filter of the "abusers" and the "victims." I think that is a repugnant way to see the world. I ask for a world of fairness and justice. What I liked about Adam, Jesse, and Steve's take is that they weren't trying to "cancel" Jordan. They took a sane approach. Jordan needs to make amends, as best he can, with the woman whose intimacy he violated. He grows up, faces the consequences, and then everyone moves forwards. That is progressive.
Bergevin inserted himself into the situation out of greed and was entirely insensitive to the situation. Bad on him. Bad on the Canadiens. Bad on the NHL. Bad on hockey. Bad on North America.
I watch hockey to cheer for a colour, in my case blue. It is a microcosm of our society. I want to see courage, compassion, and skill. I want to believe in ideals like teamwork, sacrifice, and community. I want to see the other colours as part of the same community. I want the other colours to be strong and fierce opponents who make our victories sweeter and our losses sadder. I want to respect them and be respected by them in return. It is a silly and fond thing to cheer for a team, but it only makes sense in the context of the microcosm of a shared society. Sports can help shape a better world.
He who is without sin, may he can cast the first stone - JC
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@@glaframb she was an adult and he was a minor. Why isn't she persecuted?
@@glaframb lol Yup over my head.
Stop trying to ruin a kids life over a mistake, move on
He is the author of his own misfortune, and has not properly apologized for his "mistake."
@@cleementine the justice system is there for that reason and he finished his case. You are not the judge or the executioner. Get a life Karen
Been a week people are calling what happened with Maillous a sex crime...Like he flashed kids or rape tons of girls...That is so overblown ! It's a grave mistake , and a dumb one...But not sex offender level one which is how the media are treating it, which is absurd and non professionnal at best...He shared photo the girl older than him didn't want to take because he was cocky...there was personnal info on it...It's bad, but not sex offender predator bad !!! INSANITY
The league should not have made him available at the draft... like the boy said its a privilege to play in the NHL. Montreal was in a position to take him because someone else would have taken him... PR problem or not. Blame the league... they got this one wrong!!
The league couldn't do that, there is no bylaw allowing the league to rescind draft availability. And the league can't just change the rules by itself, it needs approval from owners/GMs. As for him being available and someone else could have drafted him, let them. There's hundreds of young hockey players available for the draft and every pick is basically a lottery ticket. Some have better odds of become a useful players, but there's no guarantee. If some other team wanted to draft the guy, let them. Let them deal with the shitstorm, let them deal with the headaches and the backlash. To go through with this, especially in one of the two biggest hockey markets in the world is just dumb.
Wah wah wah from the Leafies fans. I'm kind of glad now Tavares got a knee to the head in the playoffs! Hope it knocked some sense into Pajama Boy! :)
@@rickmartin4886 ROFLMFAO... not even close to a leaf fan. JT is an overpaid 74 pt player.
@@nada55666 Gary Bettman has the power to do what he sees fit for the league without the GM's approval... he is their voice. "The Commissioner shall serve as the Chief Executive Officer of the League and is charged with protecting the integrity of the game of professional hockey and preserving public confidence in the League."
Why is there an ad inserted at 1:12?
Why do you take some sentence without the full contenst and without showing all the interview cause if u watch the clip it dosnt sound the same but alright go toronto go lol
Wait where’s the video on Tony DeAngelo being signed or are the canes exempt from public scrutiny
Yeah, nobody has ever talked about Tony DeAngelo. Weird how SDP didn’t want to break this to the public.
They did talk about it in the podcast
The canes just want you to go to their games😂
Is it crazy to disagree with the statement that "her opinion is the only one that should matter"? If that were the case, Patrick Kane would still be in jail and Kobe Bryant would still be alive, on account of being in jail.
They were specifically talking about whether his apology was good enough or not. And that her opinion is the only one to consider when determining that. Nothing about the judicial process
But there are always two sides to one story, judicial instances or elsewhere. What the press decides to do with those two sides is a separate issue. Listening to both sides does not equate ignoring the victim nor does it mean giving both sides equal "value". And it certainly does not mean accepting both sides as true.
@@TeamOT I completely agree that both sides should be heard whether in court or not. But I just felt like that you took their quote out of context because in no way did they say that the side of the accused doesn't matter in a court of law. And I only bring up courts and the judicial process because you used Kane and Bryant going to jail as your examples.
Hey quick note guys, I think the world "survivor" is a much more appropriate term than "victim". But also thank you for denouncing this so strongly.
He took a picture, Karen
This went to court and was DEALT with in a court of law ....get over it ....he's a hab now .......ff ing leaf lovers ...Montreal broke no rules cry 😢
No they broke no rules you're right. They just did something shitty. Court dealt with it, sure. But he's a convicted sex offender. If someone on the sex offender registry moved in next door to you, would you be thrilled and invite him over for coffee? Yeah I didn't think so. Yeah, they could draft him. Should they though? That's the point. They did, against the player's own wishes.
@@TheGiua1973 Exactly!
@@TheGiua1973 he wasn’t charged with a sex crime
@@TheGiua1973 not a sex offender you goof
To me, the wildest aspect of this story: I've heard that of 32 NHL teams, only like 11 had this kid on their "do not draft" list. SHOULD have been 32 of 32, completely insane that the majority were cool with picking up this player "quietly" in the later rounds, against his public wishes and all common decency.
All that said, even if he was going to be drafted anyway, Montreal did not need to reward this kid with a 1st round pick. There were plenty of other great options still available. As it stands, drafting him in the 1st round into the MTL fishbowl throws the victim, the player, the franchise, and the entire league under the bus. No winners here.
well we cannot have buffalo rewarded with 2 great picks in power and mailloux. mtl did good to draft a 6 foot 5 dman with great skills.
In 2020 we ended the first round with the Sharks signing a picked player's name on air so his deaf mother could witness her son being picked. In 2021 we get a sexual criminal being rewarded and a shitty PR stunt. This league is heading in a really great direction.
U ppl don’t notice that he believes he can help him mature and fix his character😂 Everyone makes mistakes as well as get a second chance and this is his chance to make up for it
@@rush3r975 that not the point we don't reward this type of behavior.
So are you three experts just sore because TO didn't take him?
I think steve dangles is sore because toronto did not take him.
.....why would you not take the high road..kudos to the Habs for extending a helping hand........beat them on the ice...not with whiney supposition and cherry picking about the antics of a 17 year old.......
How is letting Mailloux away with it "the high road?" The high road is saying that players who commit actions like this aren't fit to play in the NHL.
Wait...Rob Ramage works in the Canadiens front office? Didn't he kill someone a few years ago?
Yeah... he killed someone while driving drunk.
Craig Mctavish as well , Mailloux didnt killed anybody
How is he gonna get in contact with the victim she literally said that she wants to ruin his life and her lawyer is probably not gonna let that connection follow through because they want that money
Logan made a BIG mistake and he paid for that an enormeous price . Now live him alone, he has the right to a second chance and f. the OHL he will sign and play in the AHL in Laval . Im very happy to have him on my Habs team he will become a superstar in the NHL, welcome to Montreal Logan we love you.
Logan was never going to get through 7 rounds undrafted. Absolutely no way!
As unpleasant as it all is. This is the world now.
So we just go on as normal ? Never change? I dont want to live in that world!
There's nothing unpleasant about it. Well maybe if you are a soy.
@@marc11 You make your own choices, what a 17 year old did who you don;t know has no bearing on your life.
@@chrishansen8477 it absolutely has bearing on my life.i dont want my son to think its ok to do that to girls . And i dont want my daughtet to think that guys who do this will not get repercussions even though they are good at hockey.
LET'S NOT FORGET BERVEGIN WAS IN CHICAGO'S FRONT OFFICE AT THE TIME THAT A SEXUAL ASSAULT TOOK PLACE AND WENT UNREPORTED!!!
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Why did the victim not go to police right away??
@@nerdnec Nope. You're not gonna put the blame on the victim you dinasaur. This is 2021 get out of here. Read a book and listen to victims, you clearly have much to learn.
@@nerdnec Also, the person alledged to have abused the player told him if he told anyone he would make sure his career was over. Inform yourself in the future instead of shaming the victim.
I believe in rehabilitation for sex criminals. Rehabilitation is being held accountable, taking years of classes and self-reflection, and penance. Finding a way to apologize to the victim (not directly if the victim is uncomfortable), even if the apology is not accepted. Rehabilitation is not getting your dream job that will pay you millions after one apology while your victim will suffer for years and years. I don't care if other teams were going to draft him. Even if it was my team that drafted him I would be furious.
They did talk about the victim in french
Words were enough to get Brenden Leipsic banned from North American hockey.
Just goes to show it’s about potential, regardless what anyone does.
Didn;t do anything to Mathews, the Kane's, numerous football and basketball players.
@@chrishansen8477
Wow
You’re comparing mooning someone in underwear to distributing sexual video without consent.
You sir are part of the problem.
@@rockland3625 Yea, Kane assaulted a cab driver, evander kane was assault issues as well
What a pick by bergy mallioux has a ton of skill! What he did wasn’t right but in today’s day and age this happens daily! Teams said they were going to draft him in the later rounds lets not forget what matthews did yet you haven’t said a word about that
its crazy if toronto had drafted him he would fit right in and theyd be bragging about him being a steal , its sad that these 3 dont say anything about keefe and his background
100% with you on this one... sometimes these 3 lack detailed evidence before yapping away like they usually do, and bla, bla, bla... overreacting for views once more...
They never should have drafted him, but look at auston mathews, he did something very stupid as well he just paid his victim off
I guess Logan should pay her off
It astounds me that people don’t realize these are two completely different situations. I’ll just leave it at that
@@dhruvdath1815 explain how Matthews action were acceptable while Logan's was not?
So, Mailloux should have given her the heartfelt apology she asked for.
mind boggling Their judgment was so poor they didn't see this stuff coming before hand should be very very concerning to any Habs fan. They clearly weren't prepared for the backlash, had nothing prepared to go to the media, didn't have any answers at all for the obvious question that were going to be asked. It's like they thought they would draft him, put out on statement that that would be it... SMH just mind bogglingly poor judgment by an entire management group in Montreal... not one person stood up and said hey this looks really bad and all these questions are going to be asked, shouldn't we be prepared with answers... it either didn't happen or someone in charge said no... good luck with that Montreal fans, you are going to need a ton of it.
People need to remember what matthews did is also considered a sex crime
Well i can assure you ,Mailloux wasnt Mtl first choice
Except that he was. If you're saying that they'd rather have taken someone like Power or Hughes, then I think you may be confused about how choices work.
I hate to think this or say this but Montreal just got beat in the Stanley Cup Finals by a teams that was able to skirt the rules so they could be well over the cap during the playoffs. I hope it's not the reason, but what if Montreal decided to check ethics and morals at the door after losing to Tampa the way they did .
Also, what is the Statute of Limitations for a civil suit? That’s 30 minutes with a legal guest right there. There are a lot of things being juggled here.
I don’t think he cared about getting drafted he just new this incident would push him down farther he probably wanted to go next year to try and get higher in the draft
I wish you got this wound up about Austin Matthews. Maybe with both the London Knights and Montreal Canadiens helping everyone involved this terrible situation some sort of healing can happen for both parties. You guys sound alot like CNN , I usually enjoy your podcasts but clearly all 3 of you are perfect and have never made a mistake.
Mathews exposing his underwear-covered butt is not even in the same universe as taking secret pics of a woman during sex and then sharing the photos. If you think those two things are comparables you likely also believe Bergevin had no idea that his players in Chicago were being sexually abused, despite everyone around him knowing.
@@seemyworld1 Both are bad , both situations had victims , hopefully both women can get the help they need , but these 3 men acting the way they are is not helping. We all make mistakes , especially at 16 -18 , hopefully if your kids made a stupid mistake they dont get crucified by the media. If he was a leaf pic this would be a dead issue , like Matthews , like ...well I wont go back that far .
@@chouienglish4443 so I'm guessing if that was your daughter that was the victim in this scenario you'd tell her to just "get over it"? Got the father of the year right here people.
@@youzettasonsofdigits1639 Jesus Christ , I am not saying sweep it under the rug , yes , talk about it , help the girl , help the family , help all involved . He who without sin cast the first stone . I am sure the young lady wishes the whole situation would just go away, wishes it never happened. By drawing so much media attention to it is not going to help her. It needs to be talked about in a calm and helpful manner.
@@chouienglish4443 that makes what you're saying worse
The media consensus on this rubs me completely the wrong way. It's all backwards and upside-down.
Do I wish that Bergevin didn't draft Mailloux? No, I don't. Because if wishes came true, I'd simply wish that Mailloux didn't do that thing to that girl that got him into so much trouble. Or would I? Maybe I'd wish instead that the things that happened to Mailloux that led up to him making the decision to violate that girl's privacy did not happen. But then, how does Mailloux learn anything about how not to treat people?
My point is, Bergevin's decision to draft Mailloux has NOTHING to do with bringing justice for this girl or making things better for her. NOTHING. You all know it, and I know it. Whether the Habs draft him this year, or some other team drafts him next year or in three years or whatever, it doesn't do anything to un-malign this girl or un-invade her privacy, or to reclaim any lost dignity.
And yet, I sit here and listen to virtue signals from Adam Wylde like "Hers is the only opinion that matters.". That is such garbage. You don't believe that for a moment, Adam - you've only deluded yourself into believing that you must say it.
Of course, this kid Mailloux's life must go on - he's not going to have his head lopped off for sharing a dirty picture of his girlfriend. The question is, what are the LEGAL ramifications that this kid faces that are proportional to his offense? Is he going to suffer meaningful loss? Is there anything that can be fairly, punitively compensated for the girl that he can pay in order to make restitution for what he did?
The Montreal Canadiens organization is under no obligation to punish this kid for what he did in Sweden. It had nothing to do with their organization, and it had nothing to do with hockey. Neither are the Habs under any obligation to sacrifice any business/operational plans simply to satisfy misdirected mob outrage. It is not Bergevin's fault that this kid did the thing he did, and it's simply not just and not fair to pretend otherwise. Getting hockey fans stirred up against a GM for making a perfectly legal and conscientious business decision is just another cancel-hungry example of media-fuelled misplaced outrage because media personalities like yourselves have no idea how to channel the public sentiment you spin up from all the over-excited rhetoric that is churned out on a daily basis.
Please, give me one good explanation how waiting until next year to draft this kid helps the girl he victimized.
This situation wouldn't be as bad if Bergevin wasn't directly connected to what happened in Chicago 11 years ago
@@NLSNcs 100% agreed. But I think the outrage would be about 95% as much if it were a random team like Edmonton or Vancouver. Bergevin had no right to make a move like that. Neither did Chicago or Winnipeg or even Florida
@@NLSNcs Yes I agree but it's the fact that this isn't his first strike. Bergevin's involvement with Chicago's scandal makes this pick a pattern, not just a misjudgement from Bergevin.
@@NLSNcs I agree with you there. If the Lightning picked him, even at 96, I would have been super pissed
@@NLSNcs he was a minor loser🤦♂️
Soy Boys
I noticed Trudeau didn't have his black face on when he threw stones at Logan.
The kid made a major mistake. To criticize the Canadians for picking him last in the first round when someone would have likely taken him in round 2 is just sad. Being drafted isn't his choice and there is no reason to think that by the time he is NHL ready that anyone will even remember this history. These days people don't pay any attention to anything for long.
Yet nobody wants to talk about Matthews breaking into that lady’s car in the parking level while drunk and then mooning her, and this happened WHILE he was an adult. But because he’s an established superstar for the Make BeLaffs, you’re not allowed to mention it.
...what?
he literally lost the captaincy for it and was called "captain underpants" by the toronto media for almost a year.
you need to delete your comment... it isn't worth potentially risking your life.
dont forget the 2 Kane's with assault charges
@@derps8690 you threatening violence now bud? Goof
@@UltraViolence90
mate i'm not threatening crap, leaf fans are nuts and will come after him.
there was a guy on twitter who jokingly wrote "the best way to solve world hunger is to just eat lol." he was doxxed *AND* swatted for it.
this guy is actively mocking matthews and the leafs organization as a whole, and the fanbase is notorious for mysteriously finding addresses and running lives.
it's a friendly piece of advice that he should follow.
I wish the Chicago story used up only half as much ink in the last two months than this has the last few days. It shouldn't be that surprising that professional athletes, established or not act like huge pieces of it. being told they're the best, riding in buses with their team wearing suits from a young age. You got money, power and ego in the same basket. ''When you're a star, you can do anything...''
I don’t agree with what this young man did. But I can tell you 80% of guys are doing the same thing as this kid. Let’s be honest!!! It’s not right. Guys older or young they’re all either showing sexting pics or passing them on. To make this guy feel like he raped or or beat her is terrible. He shouldn’t be held down his whole life. Come on
This puts context into the allegations from the Chicago Blackhawks' organization when Bergevin was there. This speaks to an unacceptable culture in hockey management and the sport in general in context to several kinds of behaviour that would be considered unacceptable and toxic in any other workplace.
Would love to see your take if thr leafs drafted him. Most the league was interesting in taking him in the second or later. It the leagues job to remove him from the draft, no team is going to pass on a first round talent because he didn't want to get drafted. I feel like you guys are new to pro sports.
Watching them comment on the story with Leafs jerseys in the background is laughable. They're talking about a 17 year old ffs
If they were going to draft Logan why did they use their first round pick, why not draft him with a 7th round pick if your going to do it?
There was other teams intrested to draft him at second round, so Montreal felt they needed to pick him at 31. Maybe all blame is not to Montreal, the whole hockey culture is crooked.
Montreal needed defence and other teams were interested in round 2. Montreal thought they have no choice if they wanted a 1st round defencemen
Great work on this podcast.
Boys....
You lost some credibility here
You weren’t able to address the root moral issue
Your asserting your own judgements of when this kid deserves a second chance.
Poor reasoning on Timmons clip.
His point was clear, they felt kid was fully remorseful.
Actions need to prove it, Habs ,along with half the population agreed.
You don’t and that’s ok as well but at least recognize the remorse of the young man is the heart of the issue from the Habs perspective.
Of course they and we all want full healing for the young lady...
I think this is about sportsmanship aswell, maybe another team would have liked to pick him before Montreal. The league could have said we made an agreement with the teams to pick him next year.