i'm a big tall guy and I thought I was ready to rock when I was 15 and I while I don't precisely regret everything that came of my willfully dating older people, and I never felt physically unsafe, I now look back and realize that no, no I was not really ready to rock.
As soon as he agreed that a 14 year old is a woman I just thought that he should get a nice knock at the door. This logic is how child marriage is justified.
Guest was SO dense on this one. It's like, how can you say one thing, keep saying it, then AGREE to the the opposition of your argument, and then say the exact same thing you were saying before...
Dude said there's nothing social about being a man or a woman it's all biological. But his entire argument was based off his culture/religion which is purely social.
Socratic method always exposes that these people haven't thought through their beliefs very well. Than they dig themselves a hole the more questions you ask
this is the biggest part of ALL of these debates. Like, for all that people talk about "facts and logic" *most people* have never actually examined their beliefs for any real logical foundation. like at about 11:00 this guy comes real close to understanding that terms have formal and informal definitions but he bumps off the rocks because it's the first time he, an 18 year old, formally encountered that divide
It annoys me when transphobes say women are people with certain genitalia, chromosomes, or bones when we can't see these things in normal life when we assume someone's gender. Gender is a social construct. Genitalia etc are sex.
What’s the bet this guest would be like “save the children,” “you shouldn’t transition till 18/21,” but he’s up here claiming literal 14 year old children can be women? Gross
"I haven't done a genealogy test on me or my parents. Who knows?" "Oh, there's a shocker!" What did guest mean by this? His tone suggested it was a real zinger, but I'm lost
@@zenbear9952 there are lots of private atheists in highly religious societies, people who are "culturally" catholic or muslim or whatever are common. but i clearly heard this kid to be saying Palestinian in terms of being a Palestinian american.
He spends 45 minutes dancing around not having to say "I don't wanna accidentally sleep with someone who was born with the same equipment as me, cuz that would make me gay" 😭
Dude has never ever ever challenged or even thought critically about any of his beliefs. "I believe in my book because it gives us rules to live a correct life" is the sign of someone that became religious to cope with some sort of existential crisis, and is therefore scared to lose that arbitrary moral framework that acted as a lifeboat.
The reasons are still up for debate, but there has been a proliferation of studies arguing (possibly due to environmental factors) that it has become more common for girls below the age of ten to start puberty. According to this guy's argument, it is fine to engage in a relationship with a minor so long as they have hit puberty, since that is apparently his definition of an adult woman... Oh boy 😅
I think it's funny that he mentions the gender of plants being proof of the truthfulness of the Qu'ran... when that's basic knowledge that any farmer would have. Like if you grow a cucumber, you'll observe that some flowers develop fruit and some don't. Or, some spinach plants develop seeds, while others don't. But no, "It'S a MIrAcLe" Also, how does this relate to the sex and gender of women, again?
I’m not gonna lie: this was painful to hear. The fact that it keeps circling back to zero was killing me. I don’t know how you can take it. Also: why was he insisting on “mentally mature” so much. Sounds like a pdf
38:00 if nobody discovered that plants can reproduce with sex characteristics, then there would bhave been no agricultural revolution thousands before the Quran was created 😂
not all of your chat forgetting that immigrants exist and that caller is Palestinian-American. like, the baffling arrogance in their ignorance, so damn quick to discredit minorities.
Dude says God instead of Allah and says he was atheist but converted to Islam. These two facts make it harder to believe that he is actually Palestinian. I would say chat is reasonable to doubt even if they know that Palestinian immigrants exist. Also, it's interesting that you added American when I don't recall him mentioning anything of the sort.
As soon as he said 14 year olds are women I knew it was over
For me it was when he said men and women have set roles 🤢
Interesting how he said a 14yo can consent to marriage, sex, pregnancy, and childbirth, but not hormone blockers, hmmmm....
@@anabantoid BINGO
Muslim convert says pdf things... I wonder why.
Why do these guys always call while they’re either at work, getting ready for work, or falling down a flight of stairs in a wind tunnel?
😂😂
LMFAO
Lmao 🤣
Probably because they think it’ll be a quick “Liberal owned” moment
And if they aren't doing those they're always blowing in the mic???
Why does he keep saying "mentally mature" in regards to minors, they literally can't be "mentally mature" BECAUSE they're children, like wtf
Because he wants to sleep with them
i'm a big tall guy and I thought I was ready to rock when I was 15 and I while I don't precisely regret everything that came of my willfully dating older people, and I never felt physically unsafe, I now look back and realize that no, no I was not really ready to rock.
If this kid isn't a troll he's a danger to everyone around him
Keep him away from any and ALL children. Periodt.
Calling a 14 year old a woman is creepy as hell
The dude really said, "A woman is a female of pubescent or post pubescent age."
Just say you're a predator and call it a day at that point
Someone needs to call the cops quick on this caller.
This dude is not Palestinian.
He's definitely saying that so Jovan wouldn't attack "his culture"
A 14 YEAR OLD IS A CHILD.
Hell I even see 18 year olds as children.
“What do you refer to a person with a vagina as?” “Usually by their name” I’m crying😂
I'm going to start answering my phone calls HELLOAREYOUHERETODEBATE
Nice way to filter out scam calls as well 😂
"Sir, this is the police. Your son was in a car accident."
😂
@@jussimattsen4583where’s your evidence?
@@jussimattsen4583 "cite your sources" :D
I love when they conscendingly say "exactlyyyyyyy" when you completely disagreed with their point lol
They don't realize what anyone is actually saying lol
This caller is scary. He needs to be investigated by the FBI.
As soon as he agreed that a 14 year old is a woman I just thought that he should get a nice knock at the door. This logic is how child marriage is justified.
Guest was SO dense on this one. It's like, how can you say one thing, keep saying it, then AGREE to the the opposition of your argument, and then say the exact same thing you were saying before...
Dude said there's nothing social about being a man or a woman it's all biological. But his entire argument was based off his culture/religion which is purely social.
Socratic method always exposes that these people haven't thought through their beliefs very well. Than they dig themselves a hole the more questions you ask
this is the biggest part of ALL of these debates. Like, for all that people talk about "facts and logic" *most people* have never actually examined their beliefs for any real logical foundation. like at about 11:00 this guy comes real close to understanding that terms have formal and informal definitions but he bumps off the rocks because it's the first time he, an 18 year old, formally encountered that divide
I love it when they say “exactly” but don’t know what they’re exactlying
As a 39 year old who struggles to support himself financially I guess I’ll never be categorised as a “man” as I’m incapable of supporting a family 😢
🫂🤍
"Sorry for confusing you"... Mate, we're not the ones who are confused
It annoys me when transphobes say women are people with certain genitalia, chromosomes, or bones when we can't see these things in normal life when we assume someone's gender.
Gender is a social construct.
Genitalia etc are sex.
It’s creepy how much people like him think about peoples genitals.
What’s the bet this guest would be like “save the children,” “you shouldn’t transition till 18/21,” but he’s up here claiming literal 14 year old children can be women? Gross
They're only "adults" when he's attracted to them. 🤢
"I haven't done a genealogy test on me or my parents. Who knows?"
"Oh, there's a shocker!"
What did guest mean by this? His tone suggested it was a real zinger, but I'm lost
Right? Like it's such a normal thing to do such a thing and know that information by heart.
My guess is the racist implication?
That's a very american accent and set of mannerisms for a supposed Palestinian...
Yeah... I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I'm suspicious that he might be using it as a shield.
An ex atheist Palestinian no less. Didn't know they had a lot of atheists
He’s likely a right wing troll trying to smear Palestinians by pretending to have abhorrent views while being “Palestinian”
@@zenbear9952 there are lots of private atheists in highly religious societies, people who are "culturally" catholic or muslim or whatever are common. but i clearly heard this kid to be saying Palestinian in terms of being a Palestinian american.
there are, tbf, plenty of palestinian-americans.
He spends 45 minutes dancing around not having to say "I don't wanna accidentally sleep with someone who was born with the same equipment as me, cuz that would make me gay" 😭
"I am not saying X you are putting words in my mouth... [5 seconds later] I am fine with X as long as Y" BRO! WHAT?!?!
How old was the guest? 18-19? This guy has me screaming Chose The Bear, Jail Now, Big Red Flag 🚩
It's as if the caller was incapable of remembering anything that was previously discussed. So frustrating, so stupid.
Jovan: *perfect description on what a woman is*
Guy: "Thats what im saying!"
Jovan: "great, trans women/men are women/men"
Guy: "WHAT?!??!"
right wingers not beating the weirdo allegations
“Henry” is a troll.
That's what I think too. I 100% believe he's here to try to make Palestinians seem like Drake.
Dude has never ever ever challenged or even thought critically about any of his beliefs. "I believe in my book because it gives us rules to live a correct life" is the sign of someone that became religious to cope with some sort of existential crisis, and is therefore scared to lose that arbitrary moral framework that acted as a lifeboat.
perfect example of a person that did NOT know his own points and was just looking for an argument.
The amount of backtracking and circles is crazy!
As an 18 year old who isnt a god damn idiot, we apologize on behalf of this absolute zombie
Man that came in hot a spiraled QUICKLY
Holy shit my head is spinning from all his loops 😅
I’ve never heard so many circular arguments in a debate. Then the rudeness . Jovan ur to patient
Interactions for the machine god
Lol. Im “Palestinian” “ I want to be recognized as human, but trans women are not valid”. I can’t even
i like when he smacks his hands together to try to make his point. like o that was the missing element to your archaic definitions haha
Guest: makes incomprehensible, inane point
Jovan: makes opposing point
Guest: Exactly!
🤪
"Sorry man, this call might be bad quality because I'm on my way to work at the wind and rattle factory"
Check his hard drive
Caller a bit sus 🤨 and not the good kinda sus
The reasons are still up for debate, but there has been a proliferation of studies arguing (possibly due to environmental factors) that it has become more common for girls below the age of ten to start puberty.
According to this guy's argument, it is fine to engage in a relationship with a minor so long as they have hit puberty, since that is apparently his definition of an adult woman... Oh boy 😅
The mental backflips this guy was doing gave me whiplash, jesus christ
The caller started getting so mad around 21:00. 😂
His cognitive dissonance started hurting him.
Sir, you have the patience of a saint. By this guys third crack at the logic roundabout i was losing my ever loving mind
I think it's funny that he mentions the gender of plants being proof of the truthfulness of the Qu'ran... when that's basic knowledge that any farmer would have. Like if you grow a cucumber, you'll observe that some flowers develop fruit and some don't. Or, some spinach plants develop seeds, while others don't. But no, "It'S a MIrAcLe" Also, how does this relate to the sex and gender of women, again?
This kid called JOVAN "ignorant" LMAO.
the kid owned himself
“ I have no idea” “there’s a shocker” what’s that supposed to mean 😀
Dude was drowning
Also, the definition hasn't changed! They just ignored them before 🙄
It was fuckin joever from the start 😭
i can't with this one 😭😭😭
"check this dudes hard drive" XD
7:20 you can’t make this shit up
This debate got progressively stupider.
This fucking sounds like dbake
i thought it was for a bit
His little brother 😂
someone needs to check WInd Tunnel Man's hard drives
OK, ngl, Wind Tunnel Man is in the top 3 Mega Man bosses of all time
14:51 Gay. I wonder how the caller would react to "gay" once meaning "happy" broadly
Or queer meaning weird
The first 10 minutes are crazyyy. 14 year old huh😨
I’m not gonna lie: this was painful to hear. The fact that it keeps circling back to zero was killing me. I don’t know how you can take it.
Also: why was he insisting on “mentally mature” so much. Sounds like a pdf
Stresses "mental maturity" but never references the development of the prefrontal cortex, which is FAR from done at age 14...
So he thinks that no one is an adult until about age 25, when our brains are finally fully developed and matures. Okay; I’m down with that.
But he also thinks 14 year olds are adults
Religion is no bueno
This is painful.
38:00 if nobody discovered that plants can reproduce with sex characteristics, then there would bhave been no agricultural revolution thousands before the Quran was created 😂
was up jovan, you havent streamed on youtube all week
Sick
@@jovanmbradley get well soon! 🫂
@@jovanmbradley get well
15:05 HEADPHONE USERS BEWARE
omfg im only 8 minutes in
I think your channel had growth issues because your callers were honestly just too stupid
not all of your chat forgetting that immigrants exist and that caller is Palestinian-American. like, the baffling arrogance in their ignorance, so damn quick to discredit minorities.
Dude says God instead of Allah and says he was atheist but converted to Islam. These two facts make it harder to believe that he is actually Palestinian. I would say chat is reasonable to doubt even if they know that Palestinian immigrants exist.
Also, it's interesting that you added American when I don't recall him mentioning anything of the sort.