I have actually spoken with people who worked on the Texas State Railroad. According to them, the speeds that 610 ran at for the Southern had beaten the engine badly, so there is also that to consider if a restoration ever happens (which it sadly likely won't).
I’m honestly kind of surprised that no one has ever mentioned Carroll Park and western Railroad Climax number 3 it’s one of my favorite locomotives and should be on the list
Frisco's 1519 is currently on display at the Enid Oklahoma railroad museum in non-operational condition just cosmetically restored could be rebuilt or repaired but it's cost prohibitive right now
Agreed. I’m now in greater favor of restoring a different T-54, given 1522’s state and not to mention the dark truth about the SLSTA that Jim told about them last Christmas.
@@williammacdonald3173 she is actually the only steam locomotive to never have been retired since 1959, that's why her nickname is The Living Legend. That's why UP wouldn't replace her with UP 3985, because they want to keep her in service as long as they can. The good thing though is that all 3 major UP Steam stars have a good home, and will be operable at the same time in the future.
The Ace project was neat, it had Livio Dante Porta and David Wardale involved. They were going to continue the project but the design kept changing, it went from a somewhat conventional cab forward 4-8-2 to a strange full body cab unit. Both Wardale and Porta did keep working on modern steam and have lots of information available. I recommend a book called Red Devil and other tales of steam, it's full of data and research from all of Wardale's experiments with steam. Also ASTT has an archive of Wardale's 5AT project and bunch of other stuff, there's also CSR a group I consider an offspring of the 5AT project. I know of tons of people that do or did modern steam. DLM is my favorite and most successful.
Here are my top 11 retired excursion stars 11. LNER 4470 Great Northern and 2750 papyrus 10. Grand Trunk Western 6039 9. SMS Rail Lines No. 9 (even though it is now operational) 8. Southern 385 7. LNER 2509 silver link 6. SR Merchant Navy class 35028 clan line 5. Canadian Pacific 2860 4. Union Pacific 3985 3. Southern Pacific 4274 2. LNER 4468 Mallard 1. DRG Borsig 05 001 that's all.
I'm still hoping Frisco 1522 can run again one day. :) I mean after all.... she is My No. 1 Favorite Steam Locomotive, and I hope to see her run again! :D
I liked this version over your first one as I can tell you've gotten better at editing. Also here are a few other things I'd like to mention. 1 I've gotten to see UP 4466 myself twice as tbt I really hope the CSRM one day decides to restore it back to steam and convert it to oil. 2. A good friend of mine visited the museum 614 has been at for the last decade and heard that somebody is thinking on buying it, though I'm not sure who and if it's 100% true. And 3. I still have my doubts Frisco 1522 will run again.
True. I’m now just disappointed in my voice just being so abnormally low. Then again it’s for me to be in a good mood when making voice recordings and keep my voice up, let alone sound normal. I’ve worked on it since.
Maybe one day if I start investing in stock market and have the money, then I can donate like $1,000,000 to the National Museum of Transportation near Kirkwood in St. Louis, Missouri so the 1522 will run again!
hey andrew, since i like your series dead on arrival, i have decided to start my new series by early summer inspired from your series, also about the PRR 4-4-0, after the last 4-4-0 was rolled out of the shops, they werent produced until 1930 when southern rail in UK built their new 4-4-0 known as the school class that was highly succesful and liked by engine by engine crews
Don’t do the locomotives he has plans to review in the future. I’m sure he won’t be pleased. I know from watching his latest Dead on Arrival videos and comments of unsuccessful diesels on other peoples’ videos that he already has plans to do episodes for the ALCO DH-643, Baldwin Centipede, SDP40F, P30CH, PRR bad duplexes and S2, and maybe the Fontaine. I bet he might ever review the Baldwin RP-210 and maybe a few BR diesels.
@@edwardrandolph74 Bro, i will ad good, best or succesful locomotive, and even non survived member and even extint locomotives different that andrew does
If someone were to fix it up unfortunately i feel it would be best for it to run there due to low speed restrictions on the railroad,. keeping it preserved for longer
The Texas State Railroad is in Palestine, Texas, it’s pronounced Palesteen. T&P 610 was originally stored at the Will Rogers Memorial Center, not the Fort Rogers Memorial, as there isn’t any such memorial in Texas.
For UP 4466 I'm fairly certain the California ban on coal-fired steam locomotives is just a myth, the real reason would have been the updated FRA rules on operating steam locomotives which includes the costly 1472 day inspection. The 4466 was nearing its 15 year date of operation in 1999. At that time they already had the smaller oil-firing Granite Rock No.10 in operation. I'm also certain the logistics of purchasing and shipping the coal was another reason.
Yeah, I actually think it's a great thing, because it encourages the owners of these locomotives to take care of said locomotives, that's the way it should be. Plus the locomotives have to be inspected by the FRA anyways.
I don't get why some states bann coal powered steam trains. I understand that they pollute the air but what about diesel trains? In Europe we don't have this rule for some reason.
Depending on what state a locomotive is in, it could start land fires from the ashes of coal firing locomotives. That's why you see in the west, wildfires are more common because the climate is more dry than the Midwest and East.
I’m considering the first, hopefully I have time between finished part 2 at moving away to college in 2 months, while trying to balance my life with my summer job and planning out other videos
Now here’s the thing, a locomotive can not be considered an “excursion star” if it hasn’t hauled any form of excursion. Hauling two or more passenger cars on a scenic railroad doesn’t count, hence why 4466 has no place on the list.
The California government banned 4466 for burning coal......so why do other engines that burn coal in today's world and are still around in excursions, are still running today except her ?
Fire doesn't spread well in wetter climates in the Midwest and East, but since Califirnia and other Western states have a more dry climate, their more prone to ash spreading into fire.
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I have actually spoken with people who worked on the Texas State Railroad. According to them, the speeds that 610 ran at for the Southern had beaten the engine badly, so there is also that to consider if a restoration ever happens (which it sadly likely won't).
I’m honestly kind of surprised that no one has ever mentioned Carroll Park and western Railroad Climax number 3 it’s one of my favorite locomotives and should be on the list
I fell like 4466 is one of the most underrated retired steam excursion stas🌟
Frisco's 1519 is currently on display at the Enid Oklahoma railroad museum in non-operational condition just cosmetically restored could be rebuilt or repaired but it's cost prohibitive right now
Agreed. I’m now in greater favor of restoring a different T-54, given 1522’s state and not to mention the dark truth about the SLSTA that Jim told about them last Christmas.
1:32 one of my favorites.
i hope that C&O 614 can run again soon... if it does, i want to see it run at high speed... even at top speed.
844 has been mentioned MANY TIMES
Up 844 is retired?
@@williammacdonald3173 she is actually the only steam locomotive to never have been retired since 1959, that's why her nickname is The Living Legend. That's why UP wouldn't replace her with UP 3985, because they want to keep her in service as long as they can. The good thing though is that all 3 major UP Steam stars have a good home, and will be operable at the same time in the future.
Well because it took over the golden Spike limited from 759 and joined 819 at the 1990 NRHS convention
The Ace project was neat, it had Livio Dante Porta and David Wardale involved.
They were going to continue the project but the design kept changing, it went from a somewhat conventional cab forward 4-8-2 to a strange full body cab unit.
Both Wardale and Porta did keep working on modern steam and have lots of information available.
I recommend a book called Red Devil and other tales of steam, it's full of data and research from all of Wardale's experiments with steam.
Also ASTT has an archive of Wardale's 5AT project and bunch of other stuff, there's also CSR a group I consider an offspring of the 5AT project.
I know of tons of people that do or did modern steam. DLM is my favorite and most successful.
Here are my top 11 retired excursion stars
11. LNER 4470 Great Northern and 2750 papyrus
10. Grand Trunk Western 6039
9. SMS Rail Lines No. 9 (even though it is now operational)
8. Southern 385
7. LNER 2509 silver link
6. SR Merchant Navy class 35028 clan line
5. Canadian Pacific 2860
4. Union Pacific 3985
3. Southern Pacific 4274
2. LNER 4468 Mallard
1. DRG Borsig 05 001
that's all.
I'm still hoping Frisco 1522 can run again one day. :)
I mean after all.... she is My No. 1 Favorite Steam Locomotive, and I hope to see her run again! :D
There are also 5 other T-54 mountains that could be restored too. Atleast Jim Van Der Kolk hasn’t come in and replied yet.
@@AndrewTheRocketCityRailfan4014 I know that. But 1522 does speak out to me the most out of the 6 surviving T-54 Mountains.
And yeah, thank goodness.
I have plan to make my own to be honest and have a good quality
614 is running my guy
I liked this version over your first one as I can tell you've gotten better at editing. Also here are a few other things I'd like to mention.
1 I've gotten to see UP 4466 myself twice as tbt I really hope the CSRM one day decides to restore it back to steam and convert it to oil.
2. A good friend of mine visited the museum 614 has been at for the last decade and heard that somebody is thinking on buying it, though I'm not sure who and if it's 100% true.
And 3. I still have my doubts Frisco 1522 will run again.
True. I’m now just disappointed in my voice just being so abnormally low. Then again it’s for me to be in a good mood when making voice recordings and keep my voice up, let alone sound normal. I’ve worked on it since.
I have heard rumors that the Western Maryland Senic Railroad was planning on buying 1522 and restore it to operation, making it a running mate to 734.
And don't forget c&o 1309 which is now running again.
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Maybe one day if I start investing in stock market and have the money, then I can donate like $1,000,000 to the National Museum of Transportation near Kirkwood in St. Louis, Missouri so the 1522 will run again!
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hey andrew, since i like your series dead on arrival, i have decided to start my new series by early summer inspired from your series, also about the PRR 4-4-0, after the last 4-4-0 was rolled out of the shops, they werent produced until 1930 when southern rail in UK built their new 4-4-0 known as the school class that was highly succesful and liked by engine by engine crews
Don’t do the locomotives he has plans to review in the future. I’m sure he won’t be pleased. I know from watching his latest Dead on Arrival videos and comments of unsuccessful diesels on other peoples’ videos that he already has plans to do episodes for the ALCO DH-643, Baldwin Centipede, SDP40F, P30CH, PRR bad duplexes and S2, and maybe the Fontaine. I bet he might ever review the Baldwin RP-210 and maybe a few BR diesels.
@@edwardrandolph74 Bro, i will ad good, best or succesful locomotive, and even non survived member and even extint locomotives different that andrew does
I searched through the credits on part 2 and finally found this song
20:37
I wish the Texas and Pacific 610 will run again but OUTSIDE of the Texas State Railroad
If someone were to fix it up unfortunately i feel it would be best for it to run there due to low speed restrictions on the railroad,. keeping it preserved for longer
The Texas State Railroad is in Palestine, Texas, it’s pronounced Palesteen. T&P 610 was originally stored at the Will Rogers Memorial Center, not the Fort Rogers Memorial, as there isn’t any such memorial in Texas.
For UP 4466 I'm fairly certain the California ban on coal-fired steam locomotives is just a myth, the real reason would have been the updated FRA rules on operating steam locomotives which includes the costly 1472 day inspection. The 4466 was nearing its 15 year date of operation in 1999. At that time they already had the smaller oil-firing Granite Rock No.10 in operation. I'm also certain the logistics of purchasing and shipping the coal was another reason.
I was waiting for the 12:18 A class N&W
good show
“The infamous inspection rule, but the boiler was in horrible shape” there’s a reason the mandate exists lol
Yeah, I actually think it's a great thing, because it encourages the owners of these locomotives to take care of said locomotives, that's the way it should be. Plus the locomotives have to be inspected by the FRA anyways.
Great video
1:32 what is the name of the song in the background?
Thaxted by Kevin Macloed. You can also read the credits in part 2 to find it
@@AndrewTheRocketCityRailfan4014 thank you
I don't get why some states bann coal powered steam trains. I understand that they pollute the air but what about diesel trains?
In Europe we don't have this rule for some reason.
Fires Most Likely
Depending on what state a locomotive is in, it could start land fires from the ashes of coal firing locomotives. That's why you see in the west, wildfires are more common because the climate is more dry than the Midwest and East.
28:44 that is until I buy the 759 and restore her in Cleveland Ohio
If you can afford it and have the labor
So much bette than the original
my favroit train tipe is sp 40/2 4446
2 questions, are you going to remake your PRR S1 video for dead on arrival and would you build a Lego UP heavy challenger and General Electric U50?
I’m considering the first, hopefully I have time between finished part 2 at moving away to college in 2 months, while trying to balance my life with my summer job and planning out other videos
@@AndrewTheRocketCityRailfan4014 ok I understand. In fact I’m now a freshman in high school. But what does that haft to do with my questions.
7:44 not quite accurate. The Illinois Midland had a class of 3 4-4-0s that came afterwards
Then you can tell that to Wikipedia to make these things more known and not overlooked
Now here’s the thing, a locomotive can not be considered an “excursion star” if it hasn’t hauled any form of excursion. Hauling two or more passenger cars on a scenic railroad doesn’t count, hence why 4466 has no place on the list.
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peare mrqet 1223 is the mist top ten uner ratind train
Bro this is literally just kovacs video lol
Part 2 will make this list far more different from it.
@@AndrewTheRocketCityRailfan4014 I’ll believe it till I see it
fun fact 759 looks like 1225
That's because it and 1225 and 765 are van swerigan birkeshies
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The California government banned 4466 for burning coal......so why do other engines that burn coal in today's world and are still around in excursions, are still running today except her ?
Fire doesn't spread well in wetter climates in the Midwest and East, but since Califirnia and other Western states have a more dry climate, their more prone to ash spreading into fire.