The History of Science Fiction: An (Almost) Complete Guide
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anthony burgess not so much a scifi guy as a futurist playwrite.
I love how you do your ads. Just like old radio shows.
I like that you're expanding beyond just LOTR content
Thanks! I'm quite excited for it.
Yes, me too!
@@Jess_of_the_Shireno matter what videos you make we'll watch (also there's only so much you can discuss on one topic before the well dries up)
There’s so much sci-fi/fantasy to analyze and no one more qualified to do it!!! 😊❤
I think Clarke should have been added to the list along with Asimov and Heinlein, since they were considered the "Big Three" writers of science fiction at the time. Clarke, arguably, was the most science-y of science fiction writers, adding amazing technological depth to his very human stories, and he's the reason we have the oft quoted observation: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.”
Clarke also holds up the best today.
@@danielstride198 I would argue a lot of Heinlein holds up as well, although his more social oriented stories can be controversial.
Arthur C. Clarke's "The Star" is still one of my favorite short stories.
"All of great literature is one of three stories: a man goes on a journey, a stranger comes to town, and Godzilla vs Megashark" - Leo Tolstoy
Ursula Le Guin. The Left Hand of Darkness is anthropological Science Fiction at its best. I miss her.
Seriously. World-building as grand as anything Frank Herbert ever wrote. Ideas just falling out of her pockets like spare change.
Her Earthsea books are one of the few series that gives Tolkien a run for his money in terms of both worldbuilding and literary quality.
She lived for years right across the river from me, and regularly gave lectures. I hate that I never got around to attending one. I love her work.
I dont
I don't.
1:11 yes! Star Wars is often designated as "science fantasy or space fantasy" with lightsaber-wielding wizards...
While some emphasize differences between fantasy and science fiction, others identify the many elements both have in common, grouping both together under the umbrella term "speculative fiction." The essays of Ursula K. Le Guin are an excellent resource for anyone seeking more insight into the value of dancing across the lines between the genres.
This definitely needs a second part, covering the rise of comic-books, movies (beyond the earliest ones), and TV series.
I love these little background episodes on our nerddom
I move that Jess begin discussing Studio Ghibli movies.
A second to the motion? All in favor?
I would be in favor if it wasn't for the fact that Ghibli have been known to give copyright strikes so fierce that entire channels run the the risk of termination. Maybe if she only used stills and avoided using any clips and audio.
Thank you so much for calling out scientology! I've very much been looking forward to you covering sci-fi more substantially and you did not disappoint. I believe that there was an interview where Alan Moore described golden age sci-fi as having been written by robots for robots, which may sound harsh but is accurate when you consider the ideas first characters and plot second approach. Later writers isolated the key ideas that were introduced during that era and improved on the rest. Here are some fun additional resources that I hope you enjoy (I'm a bit scatterbrain at the moment and can't quite articulate a proper paragraph or two on my love for the genre, so decided to point out those who can):
1. Overly Sarcastic Productions have two videos titled 'Trope Talk: Robots' and 'Trope Talk: Those Dang Phones' that nicely cover how writers of various eras viewed and predicted technology based on their specific circumstances. They also have a video on Stranger in a Strange Land that's absolutely hilarious because Heinlein's work hasn't aged particularly well and they made damn sure to illustrate that fact.
2. Neil Gaiman is featured in the documentaries 'Future Shock: The Story of 2000 AD' and 'Harlan Ellison: Dreams With Sharp Teeth' in case you want to hear him gush about those particular influences on him (Ellison in particular was huge in impacting the New Wave movement in sci-fi). Gaiman wrote the forward to the upcoming greatest hits reprint of Ellison's work.
3. The podcast Breaking the Glass Slipper has an excellent episode that delves into the differences between sci-fi and fantasy titled 'Subverting social norms with Adrian Tchaikovsky'.
4. 'Phasers on Stun!: How the Making (and Remaking) of Star Trek Changed the World' by Ryan Britt is excellent for both Trekkies and newcomers!
5. KyleKallgrenBHH has a video called 'Forbidden Planet and the Magic in Science Fiction - Summer of Shakespeare' that nicely covers that particular era of the genre and how the film drew from The Tempest.
6. Proper Bird has videos on Godzilla, Twilight Zone, the dystopia genre, and AI that I can't recommend enough! Her channel is criminally underrated.
7. Dominic Noble has videos on The Thing and Starship Troopers that address the politics of Campbell and Heinlein.
In one of his autobiographies, Asimov had a few things to say about Heinlein and his jingoism.
@@paleobuffiq That checks out. It's worth noting that Heinlein has been quoted as being a fan of nutcase Ayn Rand, which unfortunately lines up too much with the material that he wrote.
Scientology is a horror show. There is nothing scientific about it 😬
Some aspects of Heinleins' works haven't aged that well, but remembering Nehemiah Scudder - the last democratically elected PotUS - makes contemplating Trump even more uncomfortable...
I wrote a novel based upon Lucian's True History. Mine is called Helen and Cinyras. It gets me excited whenever i hear it mentioned.
It just occurred to me, that could've served as an inspiration for Dan Simmons' Ilium.
Your monographs are great, continue with them, they are very good. The one you made of Mary Shelley's Frankenstein is pure gold
I always felt like Lewis's Space Trilogy was an underrated part of his work, even though it skews a bit more towards fantasy and dystopia. Love the thoroughness of the discussion! Have a great weekend, Jess!
Fun fact, whilst Lewis was working on his space trilogy, Tolkien promised to also start work on a time travel story. It was going to be both of their forays into sci-fi. Tolkien gave up on it pretty early on lol
@@Jess_of_the_Shire Oh damn that would have been cool to see get completed.
That would have been amazing to read
@@Jess_of_the_Shire Yep! It exists in fragmentary form as The Lost Road, and it was actually shaping up pretty promisingly as it fed into the Fall of Numenor. The world missed out on an extended Tolkien-Lewis universe.
I have the Space Trilogy and have read it and I am not impressed.
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I like that your content is broader than what I initially showed up for 🎉
I'm glad you appreciate that! I'm excited to slowly start branching the channel out.
@@Jess_of_the_Shire And we're all more than happy about that!
Yeah! Another quality video.
When I compare Scifi of the 1950s to today I notice that there is a balance in current Scifi between futuristic and perceived reality. While the older Scifi seems more whimsical and well, more imaginative. I have not done any in depth review of this. It is just my observations.
That has to be the best advertisement segue I’ve ever heard! I couldn’t help it, I burst out laughing while I was driving along in my car. I enjoyed that way more than I probably should have!
31:55 ... **sets up a shrine to Jess out of pure spite**
Love this video. Scifi was my go-to genre in my youth, I devoured those 19th and early 20th century classics as a child. And I cannot express enough how DUNE spoke to my soul in ways only two other books ever did (The Giver and Jonathan Livingston Seagull). I'm excited to see your channel continue to grow and branch out - even outside your comfort zone ;)
Haha, that was my thought too. 😅
I have no idea how Jess doesn't have more subscribers, every video is somehow better than the last
Aside from the excellent discussion of the roots of science fiction, the segue to the sponsor was artfully done!😄
Haha thanks!
My wife loves Castle in the Sky and the soundtrack so much that we named our daughter Laputa.
With Sora launching from Open AI yesterday, this is perfectly timed. ALSO, love the LOTR content of course, but doing non-LOTR content from time to time is really awesome so thank you!
When you started talking about the history of storytelling, going way back to the early Greeks, the first thing that popped into my head was the story of Icarus. And while it’s a myth, it does use technology, a kind of science, I guess. He had to make the wings, had to figure out how to put them on, and he did manage to fly pretty close to the sun. So maybe it’s a cross between sci-fi and fantasy, lol.
When I was a kid, I was taught that Jules Verne was the father of Science-fiction, and I still consider him as such.
(Maybe there was a national bias in this description, given that I am French and live in France. After all, I was also taught that Clement Ader had invented the aeroplane.)
Being English I'm naturally backing our lass: Mary Shelley.
Been watching your videos for several months now. I enjoy them a lot. Other writers I cut my reading teeth on that I'd like to seementioned someday are H. Rider Haggard, for his lost civilization stories (admittedly with strong fantasy tones) and Edgar Rice Burroughs (besides Tarzan, he wrote vast number of science fantasy series). Leigh Brackett and C J Moore well deserve mentions, too, I think, women who were important pioneers in the field. C. J. Cherryh has pointed out that Moore's stories of adventures on other worlds in the solar system could be for the most part still hold up today as interplanetary tales.
"He was researching how to get sunshine out of vegetables"
Wood burns better, and it's basically getting sunshine out of vegetables (energy out of chemical bonds originally constructed with energy from sunlight).
Ok, this channels is becoming one of my fav, and I have a unhealthy amount of channels that I follow.
This was thoroughly enjoyable, thank you !
Lucian has the earliest mention of "asparagus spears" that I've found.
Wow, I never thought of it like that, Jess. But you're totally right. Go back far enough and even ships and wagons become cutting edge technology. There's a tendency to think of "old people" as less intelligent than us, but they had their technology and our advancements stand on the shoulders of theirs. Surely if we took someone born 10,000 years ago and raised them in modern society, they'd be able to keep up with us just fine. We haven't evolved that much.
[pushes glasses up]
Technically, Star Wars is science fantasy as it doesn't bother itself with any proper science at all; it just uses sciencey words to set the feel and tone.
Jules Verne and H. G. Wells are often credited with inventing the Steampunk genre - which is basically science fiction from the 19th century.
You did very well as usual. I find you as informative as some of my English Professors. My favorite classes were in literature and creative writing. I love the study of literature, especially science fiction. I do not believe we can truly know who the founder of science fiction would be. Thank you for another well thought out and very well prepared study into sci-fi and fantasy. You could have been a professor like Tolkien and C. S. Lewis.
I read the Dune books in the 90's as a teenager. Been waiting a long time for it to be made to film properly
Bravo, Jess! I always learn new things from your programs. I grew up on the science fiction magazines "Analog" and "Fantasy and Science Fiction" (F&SF), to which my parents subscribed. Both my parents were readers of science fiction, and I couldn't tell you precisely when I picked up the habit. The genre is moving so fast now, I have a hard time keeping up with the latest authors. Btw, I'm very fond of your closing. Don't let anybody pressure you to change it. Onward and upward.
Fantastic video Jess! Everyone's favourte Hobbit goes to space! I can't wait to see you do an analysis of Dune. I had noticed it has pride of place behind you in most of your videos. :) (The syfy channel version is still my favourite adaptation of the book)
It took the mind of a teenage girl to create Frankenstein, never thought about that before.
I think Fanasty and Science Fiction. they don't have a single father but founding fathers
Great video Jess. Thank you.
Great video. You gave a good over view of the history of science fiction and it's nice to see you branching out from the Lord of the Rings, even if it is outside your comfort zone. I don't really believe there was a single person that could be considered the progenitor of science fiction but I would be interested in seeing you do an exploration of the more influential authors in the golden age, such as Heinlein, Asimov, Clarke, Bradbury etc. and those who came later such as Le Guin, Hambly, McCaffery, Cherryh, & Bujold.
It's you isn't it?
You are secretly the immortal founder of Sci-Fi...
Well, I am off to start building my shrine now...
This was a lovely, well researched video that will be on my re-watch list.
Swedish writer/translator/publisher Sam J. Lundwall made some excellent anthologies on the history leading up to SF genre in the mid seventies. In English you can find "Science fiction: an illustrated history" by him.
Hi Jess, thanks for another excellent video!
SciFi is a more divers area than Fantasy so there are probably several “parents of SciFi” depending on the subjects they cover (some you didn’t mention are space operas, end of humankind or first contact)
In SciFi, there is also a big influence of comic books - not the superhero trash of Marvel and DC but excellent literature from France and maybe the UK (2000 AD). Check out Moebius (Jean Giraud) with his Inkal stories and the works from Philippe Druillet, Caza, and Bilal!
The documentary 'Future Shock: The Story of 2000 AD' is quite good.
Really enjoyed this. Definitely recommend also checking out Margaret Cavendish's 'The Blazing World' (1666), which included travelling to a parallel world of talking animals via the North Pole, a lengthy discussion of the sciences, a *very* close friendship with another woman with whom she creates a new world, and then staging an invasion back into her world with submarines and flying machines to subdue it to her will. And a lesser known one, Jane Loudon's 'The Mummy' (1827), which is in some ways Mary Shelly fanfic - with an Egyptian mummy brought back to life with a galvanic battery - but is also set in the 22nd century, with flying transportation, robot surgeons and lawyers, moving houses with air conditioning, messages sent to giant screens or shot through tubes that span the country, and women in trousers (gasp)!
E.M.Forster The Machine Stops. One of the best Sci Fi and very relevant even today. Published in 1909.
havent watched yet, there better be a big helping of "yeah Lovecraft did it," here.
I'd (partially) recommend 'Billion Year Spree' (or perhaps it was 'Trillion') by Brian Aldiss covering the history of Science Fiction. Partially because I've not finished it yet...with a title like that you think I might have twigged that it could take more than a little time to read. And by the way, that's a British Billion/Trillion.
Just found this channel and saw this video. The storytelling of Halo, especially with the recent release of Epitaph, can absolutely be just so beautiful. 10+ years of stories wrapped into one book with many many questions asked in those books and games and comics put to rest, and reckonings we as fans of the story must come to terms with. The Ur-Didact… Shadow-of-Sundered-Star… has easily been cemented as the most tragic character of Halo, though also has finally reached a satisfying ending for readers. Kelly Gay gave us what feels to be Halo’s best book for years to come; drawing from old and new, popular and obscure, and most importantly, the new versus the contextualization of what already exists.
_Gulliver’s Travels_ was of course a satire on the exploration diaries of previous centuries, like Amerigo Vespucci’s. For another proto-SF work in the same vein, Thomas Moore’s _Utopia_ (a more subtle satire than Swift’s) is the earliest work I know of to take its world-building seriously.
Well done video. Thank you. 👍🏻👏
I suppose this is Jess preparing a running start for the upcoming Dune videos.
Edit: Called it
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Because Sci-Fi has such a multi-faceted and fragmented beginning, it's more than appropriate that the same can be said of the founders and big driving forces of the genre. Even more than the Fantasy genre, Sci-Fi also won't hesitate to incorporate other genres into its stories (Western, Horror, Fantasy, Mystery, etc.). It's a bit like the Anthropology of genres in that regard.
Lemuel Gulliver was a Doctor not a sea captain ;)
The full title is Gulliver's Travels, or Travels into Several Remote Nations of the World. In Four Parts. By Lemuel Gulliver, First a Surgeon, and then a Captain of Several Ships.
Good brief, Jess. Well researched and interesting.
Thank you for your channel. Wonderful and insightful.
Gulliver’s Travels is one of my favourite classic books and is actually very humorous and satirical. The name of the floating city of Laputa is also the name of the Soviet missile complex that ends up being bombed by Major “King” Kong in the film Doctor Strangelove, or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb, a film made by the director of my favourite film (sci-fi or any other genre) 2001: A Space Odyssey. Dr. Strangelove was the first film role for the actor who would later go on to provide the voice for Darth Vader. What does all of this mean? Nothing in particular, I just like to point these things out.😊
Wells put out a periodical “the history of the world”. I have the full set still unbound.
While he's hardly known for his sci-fi, C.S. Lewis wrote his Space Trilogy before his more well-known fantasy and a couple short stories afterwards. All are responses to sci-fi of the day and before, and some were a response to academic scientists and philosophers at his university.
"One of Campbell's favorite tropes is that of the 'super-man'"
Have you ever read anything Jules Verne wrote about Americans? It's incredibly flattering.
Before the 1980s version of the thing that was the 1950s, the thing from another world which even credits his short story, who goes there in the opening credits
I've always heard of legendary big-nosed poet Cyrano de Bergerac being credited as one of the precursors of sci-fi tales because of his two-part splitted novel called 'L'autre monde'. It even seems to preceed Gulliver's Travels by a century.
Very fun fact, speaking of Gulliver: the name of Laputa sounds just like Spanish for "The Bitch", which explains why changes had to be made for the localization of Studio Ghibli's film xD
Thanks Jess!
Whew!!!
To quote a latent song; “.... so much to say, so much to say...”
Aftrer review, and consolidation of my reactive responses, I will, hopefully, find the time to, provide a satisfactory answer in understanding.
Such that we all, may gather under the same Tree, whose name is Justice!
This was the brightest part of my day! I am so excited about your Dune episodes!!!
I really love your hair in this video!
Not the sponsor I expected lol
According to Orson Scott Card: The difference between Science Fiction and Fantasy is if the Cover Art has trees-it’s Fantasy; If it has rivets-it’s Science Fiction
You should do a series on Discworld.
Gibson is the father of cyberpunk I would say. Maybe Ridley Scott but more so Gibson
Mirrorshades, and Mona Lisa Overdrive.
You are forgetting Michael Moorcock and Philip K. Dick, who both were writing what is essentially cyberpunk a decade before Gibson. That said, Gibson put a new coat of paint on the concept. One could say that Neal Stephenson then took it, filed off the serial numbers, and sold it at a car boot sale.
I do think that if you are looking for a Parental figure for Science Fiction, while acknowledging the work of Mary Shelly, Jonathan Swift and Edgar Poe, you really can't look past Jules Verne. The others mentioned were writers of individual stories. Verne, on the other hand specialized, taking the cutting edge science of his own day (submarines, rockets, etc.) and suggesting what might either be possible today ("Around the World in 80 days") or very soon (20,000 Leagues Under the Sea). Moreover, his writings influenced others , both writers and scientists, and since his day, there has not been a time when Science Fiction has not been ubiquitous - even if it wasn't always called, "Science Fiction"...
You have inspired me to try these old classics.
It’s weird to realize that science fiction actually predates Tolkien fantasy
Maybe you could have added the the point on sociological, or anthropological science fiction, mentioning for that matter Metropolis as an early example of dystopias, going back to Foundation, Ender's Game, The Left Hand of Darkness and ending on Dune, just to illustrate that science fiction goes beyond rockets and robots, playing in the fields of sociology, psychology, history, politics, religion, gender or any other aspect of human experience.
Well done video. The only author I think you should have added is Arthur C Clarke. Along with Heinlein and Asimov, they were the masters of the Sci Fi short story. They used to talk about the Clarke-Asimov treaty about who the top author was. Still I was a Heinlein fan, with the diversity of his stories opening my eyes in the days of segregation, and he wrote the most human stories. Good times. Asimov was the most scientific, as befits a man who wrote college textbooks as well, and Clarke touched on religious themes, once being commented on by a theologian that Clarke would be dangerous if he stuck with one theme.
Look forward to Dune, Herbert was a great author. The Handmaid's Tale made a lot of waves, but I think Herbert's treatment of that subject in The White Plague was more interesting.
Parents of Sci Fi I'd have to go HG Wells and Jules Verne. Torch picked up by Asimov.
"Without ethics and morals behind scientific descoveries, mankind could and most likely would create abominations" So fucking hard (specially with some shitty AI developments from recent years)
Thanks for alerting me to Lucian's True History..I realised I had a copy of Lucian's Selected Writings on my bookshelf, unread. I honestly haven't laughed that much for ages.
Great essay. Keep it up
Yeah, no. She almost lost me when she inferred "Star Wars" was Science Fiction (it's not, it's Fantasy), and then she lost me completely when she flat out said Fantasy WAS Science Fiction.
Thanks Jess..
I understand why H.P. Lovecraft doesn't always get covered in essays like yours--BOY, is he problematic--but much of his work was really more science fiction than supernatural horror. Cthulhu, the great Old Ones, and other blasphemous entities which had his protagonists screaming like terrified girl scouts were actually extraterrestrial and pan dimensional intelligences which couldn't be interpreted by human minds as anything other than demons. There was even an element of hard science in some of the work, references to Einstein and other new developments.
It's like you say in the video. Don't put any creator on a pedestal. As Captain Malcom Reynolds once counselled Jayne Cobb, every man ever had a statue made of him was one kind of sumbitch or another.
Great video. I always learn cool stuff from your content.
Jess of the Galaxy.
LOVED IT! Thank you :)
Mary Shelley also had another “science fiction” novel that could also be classed as a post apocalyptic novel. It was called The Last Man, and it’s about the end of human civilization on earth. In her story, the human population has been wiped out by plague by 2100.
I my opinion scince fiction is more like a container of several subgenres (Space Opera, Cyberpunk, Steampunk, military scifi...) which can also overlap with each other and other genres like horror fantasy an philosophy. It is hard to say where one genre starts and where the other genres end. Another thing is, that somethings that appeared as magic in the past could have a scientific explination which came on later in the progression of science like some sorts of medicine.
For me the oldest scifi story is the story of Icarus (greek mythology) who crafted for himseld and his son some wings out of feathers, wak and a pole, so they could both fly out of imprisonment, but when Dädalus came to clos to the sun the wak melted and he crashed. By that time beeing closer to the sun means that is warmer was probably a comman "scientific" fact.
The best science fiction usually makes a statement about the real world at the time in which it was created, and in order to do that credibly, it needs to adhere to real world rules. Fantasy has no such constraints, and so is better suited to addressing more ephemeral themes. Fantasy can more effectively discuss such things as morality, justice, beauty, and personal values at their most abstract, persuading the reader towards an intended conclusion through inspiration. Science fiction deals with things like social responsibilty, cultural interactions, and the consequences of political actions by reflecting the common experiences of its time, thereby making its arguments more compelling and evidenciary. Problems arise the more the lines are blurred between them, creating such "scientisms" as midichlorians and body thetans. Or conversely, leading people to question why the eagles didn't fly to Mordor.
This is such an interesting distinction! Thanks for pointing it out!
Gene Roddenberry definitely understood this when writing Star Trek, though he kind of handled the formula in a more obvious, lot less subtle, manner, probably due to the medium he tailored his writing to.
@@earlpipe9713 How to Watch Star Trek by Order of Release (in case you want to introduce your friends to the franchise):
1. Star Trek: The Original Series (1966 - 1969) [Optional]
2. Star Trek: The Animated Series (1973 - 1974) [Skip]
3. Star Trek: The Motion Picture (1979) [Most Definitely Skip]
4. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (1982) [Start Here]
5. Star Trek III: The Search for Spock (1984)
6. Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home (1984)
7. Star Trek: The Next Generation (1987 - 1994) [Start After Watching The Undiscovered Country]
8. Star Trek V: The Final Frontier (1989)
9. Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country (1991)
10. Star Trek: Deep Space Nine (1993 - 1999)
11. Star Trek: Generations (1994) [Watch After Finishing TNG]
12. Star Trek: Voyager (1995 - 2001)
13. Star Trek: First Contact (1996)
14. Star Trek: Insurrection (1998)
15. Star Trek: Enterprise (2001 - 2005) [Optional]
16. Star Trek: Nemesis (2002)
17. Star Trek (2009) [Kelvin Timeline]
18. Star Trek Into Darkness (2013) [Kelvin Timeline]
19. Star Trek Beyond (2016) [Kelvin Timeline]
20. Star Trek: Discovery (2017 - Present)
21. Star Trek: Picard (2020 - 2023)
22. Star Trek: Lower Decks (2020 - Present)
23. Star Trek: Prodigy (2021 - TBA)
24. Star Trek: Strange New Worlds (2022 - Present)
How to Watch Star Trek in Chronological Order:
1. Star Trek: Enterprise (2151-2155)
2. Star Trek: Discovery: Seasons 1 and 2 (2256-2258)
3. Star Trek: Strange New Worlds (2259-TBD)
4. Star Trek: The Original Series (2265-2269)
5. Star Trek: The Animated Series (2269-2270)
6. Star Trek: The Motion Picture (2270s)
7. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (2285)
8. Star Trek III: The Search for Spock (2285)
9. Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home (2286 and 1986)
10. Star Trek V: The Final Frontier (2287)
11. Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country (2293)
12. Star Trek: The Next Generation (2364-2370)
13. Star Trek Generations (2293)
14. Star Trek: First Contact (2373)
15. Star Trek: Insurrection (2375)
16. Star Trek: Nemesis (2379)
17. Star Trek: Deep Space Nine (2369-2375)
18. Star Trek: Voyager (2371-2378)
19. Star Trek: Lower Decks (2380-TBD)
20. Star Trek: Prodigy (2383-TBD)
21. Star Trek: Picard (2399-2402)
22. Star Trek: Discovery: Seasons 3 and 4 (3188-TBD)
@@earlpipe9713 It may not have been subtle but it introduced these concepts to a wider audience who would have otherwise not bothered venturing into sci-fi. I think there were some sci-fi gatekeepers at the time who were hostile to Trek for being a visual medium. It's hilarious when some nerds complain about politics in modern Trek despite the older stuff having had a tendency to spell it out rather clearly.
Another problem with the lines between these two genres blurring is how quite a few modern fantasy writers meticulously fixate on so many minute details in their world-building that most people aren't going to care about. The thing about world-building is that it's ultimately supposed to enrich a story, not take precedence over it, so it's definitely best not to go overboard with details that potentially derail the plot. We don't need to know the ins and outs of a world's economic systems unless it's vital to the story (just as an example).
Andre Norton is a great contender.
Great Video Jess! New-ish too your Channel but love the content 👌.. My favourite book is still Gullivers Travels which I read in around 1994 for my A Levels here in the UK, and changed my interpretation of literature. I certainly agree that some of the fathers of SCi-FI literature from the mid to worryingly late 20th century need to be approached with caution! But most were progressive and certainly changed literature and film for the better! Anyway thanks from York-Shire!
Excellent video!
Wonderful video as always Jess! Would love a part 2 of this. I was also curious if you've ever read CS Lewis' space trilogy? I've been debating whether I should give it a try. I'm not usually super inclined towards sci-fi but given it's CS Lewis I thought it might be a good gateway
I hardly read any books until like grade 6 and then suddenly just exploded reading every fantasy and scifi book I could. This was how I started The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings but I read a ton of other stuff, a lot of weird but fun pulp scifi which made me fall in love with that kinda thing. Pulp scifi is so much fun because it's just people going "Yeah, there's moon Amazons and giant insect dragons and the hero gets teleported up there by sleeping under a full moon in a temple while exploring the jungle after fighting in the Spanish American War and and".
Three seminal science fiction movies are, in my opinion, Fritz Lang's Metropolis (1927), Charlie Chaplin's Modern Times (1936), and Forbidden Planet (1956).
Star Wars is not science fiction.
Star Trek: the original series and some of TNG I would consider science fiction; Deep Space 9 and Voyager, not really. The thing about TOS is that the episodes were written by actual science fiction writers.
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What a journey! Star Wars is more like Science-Fantasy, more based on fantasy thant the fiction of future science. Sidenotes is that A Song of Ice and Fire sure is pure fantasy, though mostly grounded and interestingly/ seemingly inspired by Dune to have different feudal Houses, intrigues and profecies. And DONT forget Battletech! It and ASoIaF both have alot of common with Dune and elements begore even that. Houses, feudalism, dark age and fall, rediscovery, schemery and intrigue and endless war eith few breaks for peace and honest co-operation
Another pioneer who isn’t praised enough is the Creator of Tarzan: Edgar Rice Burroughs. Creating the very first space hero figurehead in the character of John Carter! Whom in turn was a big influence in the characters of Buck Rodgers and Flash Gordon, whom of course George Lucas loved as a kid. Check out the Saturday Morning Cartoon “Blackstar”. While it’s typical kid fluff, it takes the Flash Gordon scenario and places him in a fantasy world that uses influences from Tolkien. I mean when he first arrives he’s saved by a race of people called Trobbits! 😂
No mention of Kilgore Trout? Dubious
THAT’S FRANKEN-STEEN!!!!!!😂
I've always thought of Jules Verne as the father of Sci-Fi
Hey, Jess, I just recently found your channel and love the Dune content. I've yet to consume any Middle Earth media, but I am definitely going to check it out. Thanks to you. I was wondering if you'd do a video on Lovecraft's work. I would really love to hear your thoughts. Great videos!