British Rail Network SouthEast-West of England Class 50s
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ก.พ. 2018
- A video shot in Winter 1990 of Class 50s on West of England services. Seen at Waterloo, Wimbledon, Woking and Salisbury. Also seen are various EMUs, including the 442 Wessex Electrics & some EPB's and the odd freight working. If you liked the video please subscribe to my channel, there are lots more transport & quirky vids to upload!
Blinking fantastic yet again...if only the railways were still like this, we were so spoilt but just didn't realise it at the time. Thanks again you have some quality uploads..
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Awesome upload. The site of the guys with their head out the window nearest the engine just enjoying the sound. Reminded me of when I used to commute from Bedford to St Pancras in the eighties. For the home journey I would always get a pint and a pasty at the station and wait for the post rush hour Sheffield, first stop Bedford. Having been there early for the train that window was mine. 45 minutes of listening to the usual class 45's growling away for what was mostly an up hill trip of just short of 60 miles. Spectacularly sound especially among the cuttings, tunnels and overbridges climbing out from St P's until you were almost at Cricklewood.. Bliss. Made going to work worthwhile ;-)
Yes, i love a bit of haulage with a great bit of thrash! I have a bit of vid taken out the window of a 50 leaving Waterloo which i will get up at some time.
@@andrewchaston2319 I did that once only had a 31 standing for a 47 on a heavy late night train. 4 or 5 mark 1 s and a very long line of vans -- fully loaded with newspapers I believe. Poor little 31 was thrashed all the way and still over an hour late. Missed my connection at Norwich. Staff let me sleep in the carriage of what was going to be my first train out in the morning......the days when people had the courage to use common sense.
They may be aged but 1 50 has more character than 20 800s or 350`s or 444s etc....gimme a 50 anyday..
Oh yes, a quality English Electric loco beats a unit any day of the week!
13:49 now THATS an epic arc! And 13:52 as well has an awesome spark! You can even HEAR the sparks as they flash!
Yes, your could really hear it, never mind see it! I don't know waht may have been lying next to the juice rail but it sure went up well!.....
17:55 Pretty good reminder of what Platform 10 looked like before Centre Court was built.
Saw loads of 50's going through Radley late 70's to early 90's.Used to have big train stop morning and evening to and from London was either 50's or 47's
You probably had all the 50s through there at some point then.....
Back in the days when Network South East was running the rail network. Simple and orderley
And with reducing subsidy and actually turned a profit in its last year of operation!
Interesting to see that notice at Salisbury. Literally the writing on the wall for the Class 50s and the loco hauled stock. Funnily enough for all the talk of 'new trains' in the poster (presumably the 159s?) there isn't a single Southern enthusiast I know of that wouldn't take the 50s back in a heartbeat.
I filmed that back in October 1990. Although the 50s were on borrowed time it took until 1993 to get rid all loco hauled stock, 47s including freight ones being used to keep services going. I can't see such a following for Sprinters either!
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus What a superb replacement - not!! 3 car 159s in many cases, packed to the gills replacing 7 or more coaches. Happened all over the railways with people crammed into 2 and 3 car sprinters and, as for "Cross Country", more of the same with full to standing HSTs being replaced by 4 car voyagers, one car of which is all first class. So many backward steps!
I know what you mean. On the North Wales coast a 3 car 175 is the best we can hope for when trains used to be generally 6 MkIIs. It's the same all over except London, the 153s being the biggest joke of all! I sometimes travel from Crewe to Derby and they get wedged!
I think loco hauled trains (L.H.T's) caused a headache with run-round requirements for one thing. Also the stock and the loco's, and the E.M.U's were not exactly clean. I think this was the start of environmental factors, so heading to the "Phasing out of diesels on UK railways."
Electric is so much cleaner, altho' i admit that the 50's were a classic traction. Also, with E.M.U's these days there are no running round requirements, so B.R etc, could narrow down it's staff.
I think the sprinters, 158/9's are brilliant for what they do, and are less problematic than the 50's, which failed all the time as did the first generation of diesels. It become less economical to keep repairing them. The 50's were great, as were the Sulzers etc.
Great film though, reminds me of when i was 15/16!
Seeing an EPB hooked up to a VEP was worth it all the way, when I worked at Waterloo those platforms were still run by ex London Bridge 4SUBs as that was my job doing the tail lamps and sundries for the Exeter and 4SUBs, the latter lacked the roller blind "tail lamps" the later EMU's had as standard and was routine to have the lit white plate and an oil burner lamp at the rear and the strange dot matrix front train indicators that occasionally fell off hehe The 4SUBs had a very quaint almost tramlike control desk and wheezy brakes that prob gave drivers more "red noses" than any other class lacking the EPB's almost on a sixpence ability to stop damned quick. Incidentally I know live almost next door to the Exeter line which is populated with dreadful worn out 159 sets which are just awful, there was a call for SWT to seek displaced HST's for the line but SWT remained studiously silent preferring its horrid plastic junkboxes.
thanks for your memories of happy times past on the railways.....I was told the Subs didn't have EP style brakes but a pure Westinghouse system, i tank of air to stop with each time! Not much room for error as i recall from my tube days as 59 stock also had Westinghouse fitted alongside the EP brakes......Funny to think now the 159s are older than the stock they replaced! And as you say, no danger of them being repllaced anytime soon.....
The mk2 b and c carriages would have only been 20 years old when they were replaced. Such ashame as the 159's were probably ok when they were new, but, 30 years later, surely they should be due to be retired to Northern Rail!
I still have my Lima OO model set of the Class 50.
Mine is in BR large logo blue.
I'd much prefer to have loco hauled services back on the West of England line, maybe with some upgraded Mark 3 coaches like Chiltern Railways have got
How about some 5 coach HST's? A lot better than a Sprinter! The lucky Scots have them and there's still some left!
The move the class 50 made at sailbury running round and then shunting the stock backwards at some interesting speeds only to pull back across to the other platform ,was that a regular posititioning move at the time or something that was done there and then ?
A regular shunt move at Salisbury. It was within Station Limits so quite in line with the BR Rule Book......
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus I see quite interesting any other movements that happened in accordance with BR rule book ?
I was a secondman at Waterloo during the 80s, forgot how grimy and dirty those 50s were.
I imagine you spent your time on Cromptons and EDs as well as the 50s?.....
Soi Buakhao yes, I loved 33 the most, 73 were OK. Spent a lot of time taking the 50s down to old oak common at night for fuel and servicing. Went to Salisbury a lot on ride out trips with the old time drivers, a real privilege as a lot of them done their training on steam. Happy days.
I prob nodded a greeting at you when dragging my trolley of lamps and stores to the platforms from the depths of the lamp arch, I think my old schoolmate Paul Burton still works at Waterloo, he's a union man for the RMT or was. Worse duty I had was when I got seconded on stores delivery and the rotten guards wouldn't let me ride in the brake if I was carrying boxes of detonators and it was illegal to sit on the cushions with the bloody things them being explosives so often I had to beg a driver if I could sit in the arse end cab if it was a loco or sit in the tail cab if it was an EMU with the stupid things. I was green back then too and had the devils job getting a load of dets down to Stewarts Lane and the same at Clapham yard because the stationmaster at Clapham was a surly wretch and wouldn't sign off on them so had to find the yard storesman carrying these boxes and like all storesman was never home lol Do you remember the grumpy Welsh AM at Waterloo... us down in the depths of the lamp arch used to give him ulcers and he put me on manually sweeping the whole concourse one week for setting up some YTS kids (we used to send them up to random platforms and ask them to measure buffer stop to train buffer distance and they had to tell the driver if he was too close or short, the best one was sending all the signalmen at London Bridge signalbox a load of 1950's weskit uniforms after my father said they would go on strike if they were forced to wear uniforms there... the stores had been given orders to burn the ancient things so I said what me father said to the bored stores peeps and we tasked these hideous and pretty smelly old uniforms down to LB and my old man came in that evening in a terrible fury over it) Did you ever make it "rain" there? That was always fun to watch as passengers got a dousing from the roof tanks and all it took was a little tap from the buffers to get them scurrying lol
20:20 - what was that 73/33 combination hauling the blue and red livery emu all about? - bit of extra variety
That was the Eurostar Stock Test Train. The ED went back to Gatwick Express after the tests had finished, the Crompton had been 33 115 and i believe was scrapped.....
They were testing the bogies I believe? I think the 33 was fitted with Eurostar bogies. I believe it was renumbered for the occasion as well.
Who the hell disliked this upload...
A steam crank....
Always wondered why network south east served the south west.
Should just have called it network south .
The west of England line was never considered InterCity after the Western Region was responsible for the west end of the route. At sectorisation it fell into NSE's domain as most depot's that work the South Western lines came under the south western division of the BR Southern Region
You do wonder if they were deliberately running down the cleaning of the stock to make the people welcome the New Trains.
Well, the engineering side arn't going to put too much effort into stock that's due for the chop!
I used to ride on this line at that time and slightly later (when the 50s had been replaced by Class 47s that were previously on Glasgow-Edinburgh trains) and I used to carry a Brillo pad in my pocket so I could reach out of the window and clean the outside before the train started. The Class 159 DMUs that took over shortly afterwards are still on the line and are maintained like new. These have one big drawback compared to the old trains: they can only carry one non-folding bicycle per 3-coach unit, but the old trains had guard's vans with lots of space.
I suppose it's all down to cost at the end of the day, if the stock is due for the scrap heap then no point throwing good money at old rope!
I remember having to get out of the way of those powerful things 😁👍🇬🇧
You'll be ok these days, lots of horrible metal fencing up along the centre of the platforms, the authorities hoping it will stop suicides.....
Not quite 30yrs yet
Did anyone else spot the spark @4:53
Back in the days when trains still had a bit of character rather than the generic bullshit we’ve got now… they’ve done it with everything, trains, cars, buses.. damn even mobile phones!! Everything just looks the same and doesn’t give the excitement of witnessing something unique!! I wish I could go back to them days with my ‘I-SPY’ books etc… Feel so sorry for this generation, they will never know how it feels to catch your fingers in a slam door on a cold winter’s morning!! Maybe that’s the solution, bring back the ability for commuters to swing the door open on a moving train as it comes into the station cos maybe then they will take their faces out of their phones after suffering one or two concussions as punishment for being so ignorant on the platform!!!
Yes, mobile phones and open slam doors..... not that would be an interesting combination!...... lol
Thank goodness those dire days are over. Look at the state of the stock, and that was just the exterior - the dirty seats which would have worn sprung bases to chuck you about with the archaic rolling stock suspension on bad track. Poor lighting, no air-conditioning, no charging points, no WiFi. Waste from the toilets across the entire network allowed to be dumped on the tracks, next to no provision for anyone in a Wheelchair. On an don it goes. What people seem to think is that just because it was the 'good old day's it was not all 'good'. I had to endure god awful trains to Weymouth, the 'Wessex Electrics seemed such an improvement - even if there was no space to actually put any luggage on them. Thankfully these days I have seen the light and no longer use the railway network in this country, the trains have improved the management and cost have not so it is all about using the car.
no wi fi no air con....you only miss it cos we have it...nobody knew any different ....you cant damn the time for that...our network is over run by foreign crap...because our govt is shit and cant stand up to europe...worst thing we ever did join that useless org....uk engineering died because of it...we built far better locos etc than anyone.....win 2 wars and the vanquished become the stronger ...note how the "losers" have quietly invaded the uk...maybe we would have been better losing ww2
russell morgan UK engineering died because of Thatcher and the Tories you twat, nothing to do with the EU. What’s left of our engineering industry will be decimated by Brexit.
These days we have a network run by companies who care about making money and nothing else. The services have got worse not better. The only thing that has improved is the stock. Give me a Class 50 over those nice EMU's you prefer anyday. And it's a bit of a stretch talking about Wi-Fi. The bloody thing didn't exist when this video was filmed!
The train companies today suck. Network SouthEast did the best they could with a Tory government who bled British Rail dry to make privatization become a reality. It wasn't British Rail's fault - it was the Thatcher and Major governments. If BR came back and had the full backing, we'd have a much better network than we do now. But nah, we gotta spend billions on a High Speed rail network. We're a bloody island. It's not that big.
@@aureol40012 Err you might want to reassess that statement. Huawei is now banned from UK's 5G network. That's a good thing. Maybe now we can can concentrate on British engineering again - not Chinese.
RAF laughter 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
Britain's railway today is gentrified cos riff raff are a hindrance lol eat that Boris