I also feel a little bad for the original voice actors they hired to play Moana and Maui since it’s confirmed they had the original actors dub it at the last minute. I’m sure they still got paid, but imagine being a voice actor and getting offered to work on a show based on one of the most popular recent Disney movies, and to have all you’re work scrapped at the last minute.
See Moana 2 and it was fine, but it feels like a Direct to Streaming Sequel you see on Disney+ instead of a genuine movie made by Walt Disney Animation Studios. Shout out to the Vancouver Animation teams for trying their best.
This sets a worrying precedent for the Tiana series…but maybe they won’t rehash the Tiana series into a movie because Disney hates 2D movies nowadays, and the Tiana series is 2D
I was just telling CellSpex that a common problem I’ve acknowledged with Disney in the 2020s have been making tv shows that should’ve been movies (Obi-Wan Kenobi, Moon Knight, Iwájú, Secret Invasion, The Book of Boba Fett) and movies that should’ve been tv shows (Raya, Eternals and now this).
From what i understand is moana 2 a joker la doo doo is just a rehash of light year and raya the last dragon. Think about it. Annoying side characters to bad pacing to terrible jokes. Main characters goes on a not so epic journey.
This film really makes me feel like the spirit of Michael Eisner and his constant need to make direct to dvd sequels to classic Disney films truly never left the company.
I believe that Moana 2 was turned from movie to TV show is that their movies bombed so hard last year, they were desperate for a hit and sadly, they got it.
@@jaypee116 They did say during D23 that Nick and Judy were "turning in their badges" and that they were going undercover to do some detective work in order to catch Gary the Snake.
I understand that the people involved in making the movie didn't receive fair wages, which is an important issue that needs to be addressed. However, I don’t think "Moana 2" is a bad movie at all. While the songs aren't quite as strong as those in the first film, it's worth noting that Lin-Manuel Miranda was not involved in this sequel. They should have waited for him to be available to work on it. But, of course, Disney is always looking to capitalize on successful titles, and since "Moana" was a big hit, they rushed this sequel out. That said, I still won't say this movie is bad or horrible. My daughter and I enjoyed it, even if the songs aren't as memorable as the first one's. There are standout performances from Dwayne Johnson and the lead actress, who voiced Moana. I do think some elements, particularly the side characters and the villain, could have been developed further, but overall, it's still a good movie. It’s enjoyable to watch with family and friends, especially kids. So, no, this movie is not horrible. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but I found it to be a good film worth seeing, and I would definitely watch it again.
From what I learned growing up, it's that not every sequel can be good! Sometimes, it's always the one original movie that's the best. And hey, at least Moana 2 made the most money at the box office! Hopefully Disney will put that money to good use!
Moana 2 was originally supposed to be a Disney+ series, but then they decided to cancel it without any explanation and gave it the Atlantis 2 treatment, i.e. they lumped, patched, and recycled the finished material into a sequel movie instead.
In other words, Moana 2 is a huge hit in the same way that Oasis' "Be here now" album was a huge hit - entirely off the momentum from it's predecessor, but overtime, people start to recognise it for it's gaping flaws, bombastic emptiness, and behind-the-scenes f*ckery and inflated egos of the people in charge that tainted its production, and soon, it's remembered as an all-time bomb. That's what I predict is going to happen here.
this isn’t the first time Disney has done something like this. Atlantis 2, Belle’s Magical World, and Cinderella 2 were also TV show episodes that were just compiled into feature length films and released as such. Aside from maybe Cinderella 2, all these attempts sucked.
I haven't had the same level of vitriol that some people have towards Disney sequels. In fact, I like them more often than not. The red flag here was it was originally produced as a streaming show before getting cut for a theatrical release.
I saw so many people either celebrating or showing ambivalence when Blue Sky got shuttered because "Their movies sucked anyway", that shit made me so mad. It was one of very few big name animation film studios in the US and the only one on the east coast. Also the movies weren't always great but some of them were genuinely well done stories and even if they weren't, they were crafted with care technically. They pioneered new animation techniques of Peanuts, Buck in Ice Age was animated superbly. In an age when more and more of this industry is getting devalued or outsourced, losing an animation studio that gave staff jobs to hundreds of artists in the US and made decent to solid work fucking sucked
This is kind of frustrating bc the animators probably didnt get payed properly despite being told that the series will become a movie... Omg i was literally writting this at the beginning of the video and it was talked abt it here xD its annoying bc they probably wont be payed extra for this... They signed a contract years ago that now backfired on them. Super disrespectful. I watched the movie yesterday w/ a friend (she knows nothing abt animation) and even she told me that it felt like the movie was missing something. When i told her abt it being a series she was like: bro srsly?? That makes so much sense now. They should have kept it as a series.
as awful as the production of this movie was, it was still a pretty good film, let's give the animators the props by managing to give us a decent sequel to a movie that was originally a show
I want an apology from everyone who bad mouthed Strange World and Wish. say whatever you want about those two movies, but hey, at least they were ORIGINALS. Something we're likely not going to see from the Mouse for a very long time. (at least not from the main animation studio) This is entirely on you, animation community. You made your bed, now lie in it.
I remember when I heard about Disney planning a live-action remake of Moana and vocally preferring a sequel to the movie instead… Moral of the Story: When you wish upon a star, be careful what you wish for!
If Disney thinks they have a big holiday film to wrap up 2024, wait until Paramount's Sonic The Hedgehog 3 film comes out. The potential box office it could get will make Moana 2 look pathetic. Moana 2 really should've went direct-to-streaming cause it does NOT feel out of place compare to all of the Disney Reniassance & Post-Reniassance Era direct-to-DVD sequels. Who the heck was the test audiences for Moana 2, if any? If they were kids and families, parents can literally watch crap with their kids just so that they don't have to deal with these gremlins. True, there is some real gems with some sequels, but Disney's approach being _making films to steal your wallet_ should really be seen a flaw in the film industry at the moment. And I can only blame it on two of the CEOs of Disney that we had in recent times and they both start with Bob; Bob Iger and Bob Chapek. Iger did do a lot of good things for Disney such as bringing out the creation of their streaming platform and expanding out Disney's IPs for Disney's themepark attractions, but he and Chapek also made some pretty stupid decisions with the whole idea of live action remakes/remasters and business decisions on series and IPs all just to make some quick bucks to keep innovating the themeparks to get them up to date and into the future, and hey, it worked. It isn't just Disney and Pixar that is dealing with a budget mess, Marvel and Star Wars also went crazy to the point that if Flopville was a place in the Filmworld, it would definitely be a big city like Los Santos in GTA V. I can't really blame Disney, Dreamworks has been in sort of a mess of not knowing what to do with their long lasting IPs - but in recent years... we have started getting REALLY good films from them with The Wild Robot, all of the Trolls films and Orion and the Dark. And even their existing IPs had some great films like Kung Fu Panda 4 and Puss in Boots: The Last Wish, even the new IP The Bad Guys got really good attention that it is getting a sequel and is being recognised as a main stay in their Dreamworks Cinematic Universe (or I would call it DWCU) which obviously included Shrek, Madagascar and even How To Train Your Dragon. True, we did get some regrettable flops like Teenage Kraken and um... Megamind 2, but I am blaming that on them trying to market that universe to get viewers aka those little gremlins, to watch THEIR streaming site. If there is a film IP that Dreamworks did in the past that REALLY deserves a sequel, it is the 2012 film *Rise of the Guardians* - you know the one where boy got killed in a frozen lake and got reborn as Jack Frost as one of the Guardians who has to defeat The Bogeyman (aka Pitch Black) from killing the other Guardians like the Easter Bunny, Sandman and even the Tooth Fairy. Man, if that film was released in the 2020s, it would DEFINITELY be a new classic because Jack Frost had amnesia and has the whole identity theme going on, which might've not been relatable to Gen Zs in the year the film actually released, but it NOW is relatable for Gen Zs in this decade. I did do a post about it on X explaining the reasons why the film flopped due to over-marketing despite the concerns of test audiences. Looking back on it now from the fans, Rise of the Guardians has become not only an underrated film but MANY have seen it as a *cult classic* that they watch it every Holiday Season. If you don't believe me, check Smarty Pants channel. He's been BEGGING for a sequel of sorts for that film, and same with me too, mainly cause I like the world that they got and I like how that Easter Bunny looks like a freaking offspring of a kangaroo f***ing a rabbit. The creator and the author of Rise of the Guardians expressed hope for a sequel or two and for some reason they haven't made an agreemenet with Dreamworks since 2013. @Dreamworks , give this franchise a CHANCE. If you don't believe me, this film is 12 Years old NOW!? Give it a Rerun at cinemas like you did to Shrek 2. THIS IS THE Holiday Title I would watch over what Moana 2 got from Disney.
I mean honestly, back when the first Sonic movie came out it also came out that the people who fixed it up all got fired with their studio getting shut down right before Christmas on top of the insane crunch and absolutely no one cared, so I don't see why people would care for workers getting mistreated now.
@@audreyharris7643 Yeah, everyone just took the director's word that they wouldn't crunch when he obviously knew they would, he's on my shitlist just for that ngl.
Moana 2 was …. Something. The adventures were kinda boring and lackluster. It would’ve been better if Moana met other islanders along her journey. Yeah, Disney should’ve done an 6 or 8 episodes in D+.
As a Canadian, I’m glad that the work on Moana 2 was done by Canadian Animators/Artists. But, it’s for sure a double edged sword, because it meant that Disney was able to pay them less and that absolutely isn’t right. It really irks me that most people are unaware or simply don’t care about all of this. (The latter of course upsets me more.)
This may surprise some, but Walt Disney himself was notoriously anti-sequel. He seldom made them. When his 1933 animated adaptation of The Three Little Pigs made a lot of money and won an Oscar, he was asked by distributors and theaters to make more cartoons with the characters. He only did them because his brother and business partner Roy O. Disney said they needed the money. The three cartoons starring the characters were nowhere near as successful as the original. From thereon in, Walt Disney would frequently say throughout the years, "You can't top pigs with pigs."
I'm gonna keep saying it: Tangled the series should have been the BLUEPRINT for movie related series going forward. They had the chance for a new age of series people actually like like The Little Mermaid and Aladdin. They could have even done some of the crossover things they used to do like the way Hercules showed up in both of those series (and iirc is canonically Ariel's cousin?). But no one over in mouse land has that kind of vision anymore.
@@DrawciaGleam02 I can't remember much but probably it was that people thought there were pacing issues or that things went too fast. I think it's a solid series with a great story. I'm still saying to this day that Hazbin's Charlie/Vaggie is just Rapunzel/Cassandra made canon xD
I've been thinking it's at this point where our (as in, we hardcore animation fans') loyalty to the Big 5 starts to end in terms of expecting freshness and originality. Not that there is gonna be NONE of that, but like you say, they'll be the exception rather than the rule - all the while indie, international, and just other lower-budget fare are only gonna get propped up more and more with each passing year.
Plus, you gotta remember that studios essentially make their money by leasing the film prints to the theater companies. So, for at least the first week, they make their money no matter how well the film does. The box office returns technically are more about how much theaters are making, which they use to decide how much longer they’re going to keep the movie on screens. If Disney just cared about getting paid for the holiday weekend then they wouldn’t even care how well it did, just how well theaters thought it would do. That’s probably why they cut it down to 90 minutes too, so theaters can run it more times a day, since a ticket is the same price no matter how long the movie is. None of this is good.
Loved a lot of the characters as well as the heavier tone, I wish they did give them more time to shine, the post credit scene especially made me think how much better it could have been.
4:52 Whaaaaaat Disney under paying their workers naaaaaaaah. (lol their are such jerk, hope the employees are given fair wages sooner rather thank later)
It really does feel…demeaning when your favorite and childhood company like Disney, who was a generational inspiration to many if not most people….Be reduced to this, same for marvel but Disney was the first in my eyes to go downhill
I don’t know why everyone on TH-cam is going against it now that it’s shown to make money I mean, I’m sorry guys. Sometimes the audience doesn’t care what the quality is. It’s a safe one. Again, how I use the example everybody bitches and complains about McDonald’s and yet every damn year when the McRib comes back, people try it even though they say they will Again
Because everyone on TH-cam are a bunch of hypocrites they want to think they’re superior they don’t care if people are positive being a negative egomaniac will give them more views this is what I don’t understand why TH-cam is being trashed like twitter and Reddit
So? Lots of shit makes money, and lots of good shit makes mote money. Also, with the tainted slivered onions controversy at McDonald's, their business pullmetted.
Sure, but only eating the McRib forever makes for short horizons, especially if you're not the kind of person to go out of your way to broaden horizons
In my opinion, it's BETTER than Wish, Strange World and Raya and the Last Dragon. Also it has as of today broke even at the box office something that Wicked and Gladiator 2 still haven't done.
This is why I’m glad I quit trying to be a animator for Disney or anyone else but for myself they don’t pay 💰 good money and take everything while we lose
I imagine the best hope of seeing the cut content is releasing an extended cut of this movie that’s exclusive to Disney Plus like what Max did for the Justice League movie. That would be the perfect opportunity to make the story make more sense and maybe add a song or two done by Lin Manuel Miranda.
So they took the Moana series that was supposed to be on Disney plus, and basically did the reverse of what they've been doing with their MCU shows (which is basically turning movies into 6 episode TV shows). So the reason it basically feels off to people is because it is edited more like a movie that was made for TV rather than for the theater.
Just when you thought it couldn't get worse, it just does. Speed-cutting a show into a movie is the laziest thing any studio has ever done. But to believe that Disney would come to that point in its history is as depressing as Trump 2.0.
Hey round table I have a question are you going to make a video about new gravity falls characters and villains or are you going to talk about new Steven universe villains both human and gem I think some of the humans might use gem technology or just gain gem-based powers.
They should’ve stuck with the series idea and just made a proper sequel movie with the original cast, crew, writers, directors, songwriters, and score composer…
How is it legal for them to pay TV wages and then last minute change it to theatrical release? Like that genuinely seems like a lawsuit ready to happen?? 🤔
I saw two people each with 4 likes in the replies of one of Moana 2’s songs I was watching because I wanted to rank them and they said “Moana 2 is BETTER THAN MOANA 1 AND INSIDE OUT” LIKE WHAT DID WE WATCH THE SAME MOVIE?????!???
Wow! I'm here at the get go for once! But yeah, the 2020's are going to be sequels only. And unfortunately, everyone who doesn't keep track of animation news doesn't seem to care.
I didn’t like Moana 2 and it is valid to be concerned that Disney will learn the wrong lessons from its success, but it’s still a harmless film that doesn’t ruin the first Moana.
Welp!! It is official. Disney theatrical animation is in the tubes!! You know I had one last sliver of hope for a second that Moana 2 could be a hit, a return to the forum to the classic Disney Movie with action, adventure, lovable characters, a dangerous villain and entertaining songs. Undoing the abomination that is Wish. But no. No. No, no, no. It's all wrong!! It's just four episodes of a movie, TIED TOGETHER???!!! Has Disney learned nothing from Atlantis: Milo's Return?? Disappointing.. 👎👎 I won't be seeing Zootopia 2 or Frozen III, even if people tell me it's "better than the original."
2:22 Couldn't have said it better myself. It's just going to tell Disney that they can turn any TV projects they have with their properties into lazy, shoddily made sequels that will generate money, as well as continue to stifle creativity for any original movies. Which is frustratingly in-line with their current plan -_-
Disney is just doing their old practices again, should be a surprise to no one. Although there is really no one to feel sorry for, as Hollywood has long screwed itself over to irrelevant in terms of movies and shows. So, having them get it done in Canada instead of Hollywood should be no shocker at all, as more and more of the industry leaves the dumpster fire known as Commiefornia. As for the movie itself, it would make sense for it to be mediocre as you very rarely ever get a good movie built from what was suppose to be an animated series. Even with as bad or boring as the sequel is, it could be better than the upcoming live-action remake with a vastly overblown budget and pure laziness.
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Not gonna lie Moana going island to island meeting new people would've been awesome since she could've met people from different Polynesian cultures.
Missed opportunity
She did
Yeah
@@tmbline Barely, we only saw like 1 different group of people.
I'd love to see her go to Papua new guinea or even Australia or whatever islands in her universe that are inspired by cultures from these islands
I also feel a little bad for the original voice actors they hired to play Moana and Maui since it’s confirmed they had the original actors dub it at the last minute. I’m sure they still got paid, but imagine being a voice actor and getting offered to work on a show based on one of the most popular recent Disney movies, and to have all you’re work scrapped at the last minute.
To think a Moana show could have been the next Rapunzel's Tangled Adventure. Instead now it’s the next Bell's Magical World.
Its better then that and also bell's magical world was a fun movie
The show nobody talks about. So underrated
@@Elvusmiw they should talk about it, it was a fun movie that helped flush out the world
More like Atlantis Milos Journey..
Yeah!
See Moana 2 and it was fine, but it feels like a Direct to Streaming Sequel you see on Disney+ instead of a genuine movie made by Walt Disney Animation Studios. Shout out to the Vancouver Animation teams for trying their best.
For sure 👍🏼
This sets a worrying precedent for the Tiana series…but maybe they won’t rehash the Tiana series into a movie because Disney hates 2D movies nowadays, and the Tiana series is 2D
They will change it to 3d I bet
@@Outatime1995That’s not how that works.
@@Outatime1995 Redoing the animation via cheap outsourcing to India
@@Outatime1995 That will never happen, because it will take too much time, money and resources, just to make something already made in 2D into 3D.
I always knew that Moana 2 was going to make all of money at the box office
I was just telling CellSpex that a common problem I’ve acknowledged with Disney in the 2020s have been making tv shows that should’ve been movies (Obi-Wan Kenobi, Moon Knight, Iwájú, Secret Invasion, The Book of Boba Fett) and movies that should’ve been tv shows (Raya, Eternals and now this).
From what i understand is moana 2 a joker la doo doo is just a rehash of light year and raya the last dragon. Think about it. Annoying side characters to bad pacing to terrible jokes. Main characters goes on a not so epic journey.
This may sound stupid, but I would have had Maui’s parents as the main antagonists.
That would've been more interesting but wasnt mowies parents humans?
I mean there are dead so unless they came back as demons
Maybe that was one of the episodes that they cut. We’ll never know.
@@Boltofbrilliance122 that sounds cool ngl
Honestly the sequel had Nothing on the original
it looks like such a confusing storyline
I’d lost interest in the film. Hell, I have zero clue what’s even about.
This film really makes me feel like the spirit of Michael Eisner and his constant need to make direct to dvd sequels to classic Disney films truly never left the company.
I believe that Moana 2 was turned from movie to TV show is that their movies bombed so hard last year, they were desperate for a hit and sadly, they got it.
I hope and pray Zootopia 2 breaks this curse and is actually really good.
I feel it will have cringe jokes and the same cop plot.
@@jaypee116 They did say during D23 that Nick and Judy were "turning in their badges" and that they were going undercover to do some detective work in order to catch Gary the Snake.
@@OwenMiller-q2g so they're quitting the force? Sweet. I saw them better as private Eye.
@@jaypee116 It does make for a more interesting plot thread to say the least; makes me wonder how they're going to handle it.
they must or disney willlllll buuuuuuurn
I understand that the people involved in making the movie didn't receive fair wages, which is an important issue that needs to be addressed. However, I don’t think "Moana 2" is a bad movie at all. While the songs aren't quite as strong as those in the first film, it's worth noting that Lin-Manuel Miranda was not involved in this sequel. They should have waited for him to be available to work on it. But, of course, Disney is always looking to capitalize on successful titles, and since "Moana" was a big hit, they rushed this sequel out.
That said, I still won't say this movie is bad or horrible. My daughter and I enjoyed it, even if the songs aren't as memorable as the first one's. There are standout performances from Dwayne Johnson and the lead actress, who voiced Moana. I do think some elements, particularly the side characters and the villain, could have been developed further, but overall, it's still a good movie. It’s enjoyable to watch with family and friends, especially kids. So, no, this movie is not horrible. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but I found it to be a good film worth seeing, and I would definitely watch it again.
The rhino from James and the Giant Peach is a more credible antagonist than 2's foe
From what I learned growing up, it's that not every sequel can be good! Sometimes, it's always the one original movie that's the best. And hey, at least Moana 2 made the most money at the box office! Hopefully Disney will put that money to good use!
I doubt it, but I like your positivity
@@DevsQuillsandCartoons Someone has to stay positive! I don't like toxic conflicts in fandoms.
@@kadenharley8232 Fair enough
They won't. They're gonna take that money and make more shit like this cause why bother making anything else if you can make money being lazy
@@Turtlemmd Maybe, but a little positive optimism can't hurt. After all, Disney makes these movies for children and families.
It's sad to say but the late 2010's was the last time any of us really saw anything decent from Disney
Encanto?
Moana 2 was originally supposed to be a Disney+ series, but then they decided to cancel it without any explanation and gave it the Atlantis 2 treatment, i.e. they lumped, patched, and recycled the finished material into a sequel movie instead.
You know what makes this even worst? The movie's financial success. This proves to studio mediocre sequels are the way to go.
Okay I’m legit worried about the Princess And The Frog Disney+ series now….
It’s funny watch this as one of the people who slept through the movie
In other words, Moana 2 is a huge hit in the same way that Oasis' "Be here now" album was a huge hit - entirely off the momentum from it's predecessor, but overtime, people start to recognise it for it's gaping flaws, bombastic emptiness, and behind-the-scenes f*ckery and inflated egos of the people in charge that tainted its production, and soon, it's remembered as an all-time bomb. That's what I predict is going to happen here.
$389.2 million already yeah not gonna be a bomb
@@jordanmoore730 Bla bla bla
@@gryficowa yeah that's about the level of response I would expect from a neck beard adult crying about a Disney movie
@@gryficowa what a child you are 😊
It's Milo's return all over again
this isn’t the first time Disney has done something like this. Atlantis 2, Belle’s Magical World, and Cinderella 2 were also TV show episodes that were just compiled into feature length films and released as such. Aside from maybe Cinderella 2, all these attempts sucked.
I haven't had the same level of vitriol that some people have towards Disney sequels. In fact, I like them more often than not.
The red flag here was it was originally produced as a streaming show before getting cut for a theatrical release.
I saw so many people either celebrating or showing ambivalence when Blue Sky got shuttered because "Their movies sucked anyway", that shit made me so mad. It was one of very few big name animation film studios in the US and the only one on the east coast. Also the movies weren't always great but some of them were genuinely well done stories and even if they weren't, they were crafted with care technically. They pioneered new animation techniques of Peanuts, Buck in Ice Age was animated superbly. In an age when more and more of this industry is getting devalued or outsourced, losing an animation studio that gave staff jobs to hundreds of artists in the US and made decent to solid work fucking sucked
More animated movie sequels need to be more like Shrek 2.
Or puss in boots the last wish
I swear to god that this channel gets more bitter and jaded the more the animation industry goes down on its downward spiral.
This is kind of frustrating bc the animators probably didnt get payed properly despite being told that the series will become a movie... Omg i was literally writting this at the beginning of the video and it was talked abt it here xD its annoying bc they probably wont be payed extra for this... They signed a contract years ago that now backfired on them. Super disrespectful. I watched the movie yesterday w/ a friend (she knows nothing abt animation) and even she told me that it felt like the movie was missing something. When i told her abt it being a series she was like: bro srsly?? That makes so much sense now. They should have kept it as a series.
when you are in a "corrupted video files" competition, and your opponent is "The Roundtable" 💀
(no shade, i just think it's funny how glitchy it is)
0:30 Wild Canyon Instrumental Version from Sonic Adventure 2!
as awful as the production of this movie was, it was still a pretty good film, let's give the animators the props by managing to give us a decent sequel to a movie that was originally a show
I want an apology from everyone who bad mouthed Strange World and Wish.
say whatever you want about those two movies, but hey, at least they were ORIGINALS. Something we're likely not going to see from the Mouse for a very long time. (at least not from the main animation studio)
This is entirely on you, animation community. You made your bed, now lie in it.
At least the original Disney Movie Show Pilots had SOME charm to them.
Moana 2 doesn't even hold a candle to any of them
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I remember when I heard about Disney planning a live-action remake of Moana and vocally preferring a sequel to the movie instead… Moral of the Story: When you wish upon a star, be careful what you wish for!
Eh I thought it was fun. Scattered but the animators had fun.
Moana 2 massive success is gonna lead to Disney making more sequels & remakes over new originals!
If Disney thinks they have a big holiday film to wrap up 2024, wait until Paramount's Sonic The Hedgehog 3 film comes out. The potential box office it could get will make Moana 2 look pathetic. Moana 2 really should've went direct-to-streaming cause it does NOT feel out of place compare to all of the Disney Reniassance & Post-Reniassance Era direct-to-DVD sequels. Who the heck was the test audiences for Moana 2, if any? If they were kids and families, parents can literally watch crap with their kids just so that they don't have to deal with these gremlins. True, there is some real gems with some sequels, but Disney's approach being _making films to steal your wallet_ should really be seen a flaw in the film industry at the moment. And I can only blame it on two of the CEOs of Disney that we had in recent times and they both start with Bob; Bob Iger and Bob Chapek. Iger did do a lot of good things for Disney such as bringing out the creation of their streaming platform and expanding out Disney's IPs for Disney's themepark attractions, but he and Chapek also made some pretty stupid decisions with the whole idea of live action remakes/remasters and business decisions on series and IPs all just to make some quick bucks to keep innovating the themeparks to get them up to date and into the future, and hey, it worked. It isn't just Disney and Pixar that is dealing with a budget mess, Marvel and Star Wars also went crazy to the point that if Flopville was a place in the Filmworld, it would definitely be a big city like Los Santos in GTA V.
I can't really blame Disney, Dreamworks has been in sort of a mess of not knowing what to do with their long lasting IPs - but in recent years... we have started getting REALLY good films from them with The Wild Robot, all of the Trolls films and Orion and the Dark. And even their existing IPs had some great films like Kung Fu Panda 4 and Puss in Boots: The Last Wish, even the new IP The Bad Guys got really good attention that it is getting a sequel and is being recognised as a main stay in their Dreamworks Cinematic Universe (or I would call it DWCU) which obviously included Shrek, Madagascar and even How To Train Your Dragon. True, we did get some regrettable flops like Teenage Kraken and um... Megamind 2, but I am blaming that on them trying to market that universe to get viewers aka those little gremlins, to watch THEIR streaming site.
If there is a film IP that Dreamworks did in the past that REALLY deserves a sequel, it is the 2012 film *Rise of the Guardians* - you know the one where boy got killed in a frozen lake and got reborn as Jack Frost as one of the Guardians who has to defeat The Bogeyman (aka Pitch Black) from killing the other Guardians like the Easter Bunny, Sandman and even the Tooth Fairy. Man, if that film was released in the 2020s, it would DEFINITELY be a new classic because Jack Frost had amnesia and has the whole identity theme going on, which might've not been relatable to Gen Zs in the year the film actually released, but it NOW is relatable for Gen Zs in this decade. I did do a post about it on X explaining the reasons why the film flopped due to over-marketing despite the concerns of test audiences. Looking back on it now from the fans, Rise of the Guardians has become not only an underrated film but MANY have seen it as a *cult classic* that they watch it every Holiday Season. If you don't believe me, check Smarty Pants channel. He's been BEGGING for a sequel of sorts for that film, and same with me too, mainly cause I like the world that they got and I like how that Easter Bunny looks like a freaking offspring of a kangaroo f***ing a rabbit. The creator and the author of Rise of the Guardians expressed hope for a sequel or two and for some reason they haven't made an agreemenet with Dreamworks since 2013. @Dreamworks , give this franchise a CHANCE. If you don't believe me, this film is 12 Years old NOW!? Give it a Rerun at cinemas like you did to Shrek 2. THIS IS THE Holiday Title I would watch over what Moana 2 got from Disney.
Ed Edd n Eddy and other shows are leaving on the 31 of this month 😢.
I mean honestly, back when the first Sonic movie came out it also came out that the people who fixed it up all got fired with their studio getting shut down right before Christmas on top of the insane crunch and absolutely no one cared, so I don't see why people would care for workers getting mistreated now.
I honestly didn't know
@@audreyharris7643 Yeah, everyone just took the director's word that they wouldn't crunch when he obviously knew they would, he's on my shitlist just for that ngl.
Moana 2 was …. Something. The adventures were kinda boring and lackluster. It would’ve been better if Moana met other islanders along her journey. Yeah, Disney should’ve done an 6 or 8 episodes in D+.
It was definitely a cartoon.
As a Canadian, I’m glad that the work on Moana 2 was done by Canadian Animators/Artists. But, it’s for sure a double edged sword, because it meant that Disney was able to pay them less and that absolutely isn’t right. It really irks me that most people are unaware or simply don’t care about all of this. (The latter of course upsets me more.)
This may surprise some, but Walt Disney himself was notoriously anti-sequel. He seldom made them. When his 1933 animated adaptation of The Three Little Pigs made a lot of money and won an Oscar, he was asked by distributors and theaters to make more cartoons with the characters. He only did them because his brother and business partner Roy O. Disney said they needed the money. The three cartoons starring the characters were nowhere near as successful as the original. From thereon in, Walt Disney would frequently say throughout the years, "You can't top pigs with pigs."
beauty and the beast belle's magical world, Atlantis Milo's returns and Moana 2 all having one thing in common.
Yes there all fun movies that not enough people give love to
@@Anthony-dl8bg ...
Hope that they come up with original ideas after this
I'm gonna keep saying it: Tangled the series should have been the BLUEPRINT for movie related series going forward. They had the chance for a new age of series people actually like like The Little Mermaid and Aladdin. They could have even done some of the crossover things they used to do like the way Hercules showed up in both of those series (and iirc is canonically Ariel's cousin?). But no one over in mouse land has that kind of vision anymore.
But I've heard that Tangeled series had quite a few flaws.....
@@DrawciaGleam02 I can't remember much but probably it was that people thought there were pacing issues or that things went too fast. I think it's a solid series with a great story. I'm still saying to this day that Hazbin's Charlie/Vaggie is just Rapunzel/Cassandra made canon xD
I've been thinking it's at this point where our (as in, we hardcore animation fans') loyalty to the Big 5 starts to end in terms of expecting freshness and originality. Not that there is gonna be NONE of that, but like you say, they'll be the exception rather than the rule - all the while indie, international, and just other lower-budget fare are only gonna get propped up more and more with each passing year.
First time I’m convinced people are exaggerating about a film
Plus, you gotta remember that studios essentially make their money by leasing the film prints to the theater companies. So, for at least the first week, they make their money no matter how well the film does. The box office returns technically are more about how much theaters are making, which they use to decide how much longer they’re going to keep the movie on screens. If Disney just cared about getting paid for the holiday weekend then they wouldn’t even care how well it did, just how well theaters thought it would do. That’s probably why they cut it down to 90 minutes too, so theaters can run it more times a day, since a ticket is the same price no matter how long the movie is. None of this is good.
5:06
that's kind of evil, underhanded and a little dark
Loved a lot of the characters as well as the heavier tone, I wish they did give them more time to shine, the post credit scene especially made me think how much better it could have been.
4:52 Whaaaaaat Disney under paying their workers naaaaaaaah. (lol their are such jerk, hope the employees are given fair wages sooner rather thank later)
The “Beyond” song is literally “Legends Never Die” from League of Legends😂
I would've loved it being a series on Disney+ as planned. It would've felt alot more fleshed out....
It really does feel…demeaning when your favorite and childhood company like Disney, who was a generational inspiration to many if not most people….Be reduced to this, same for marvel but Disney was the first in my eyes to go downhill
I don’t know why everyone on TH-cam is going against it now that it’s shown to make money I mean, I’m sorry guys. Sometimes the audience doesn’t care what the quality is. It’s a safe one.
Again, how I use the example everybody bitches and complains about McDonald’s and yet every damn year when the McRib comes back, people try it even though they say they will Again
Because everyone on TH-cam are a bunch of hypocrites they want to think they’re superior they don’t care if people are positive being a negative egomaniac will give them more views this is what I don’t understand why TH-cam is being trashed like twitter and Reddit
So? Lots of shit makes money, and lots of good shit makes mote money.
Also, with the tainted slivered onions controversy at McDonald's, their business pullmetted.
Sure, but only eating the McRib forever makes for short horizons, especially if you're not the kind of person to go out of your way to broaden horizons
In my opinion, it's BETTER than Wish, Strange World and Raya and the Last Dragon. Also it has as of today broke even at the box office something that Wicked and Gladiator 2 still haven't done.
This is why I’m glad I quit trying to be a animator for Disney or anyone else but for myself they don’t pay 💰 good money and take everything while we lose
GOOD Pun there, Austria, GOOD Pun!
I don't think I will watch the movie knowing that it has been shortened for the sole purpose of being a cash grab without paying their workers
The Big City Greens Movie deserved to be in theaters more than this
First I love Moana 2 but Wild Robot should deserved award of heartwarming tears and second I hope Zootopia 2 get more better and not fail.
I imagine the best hope of seeing the cut content is releasing an extended cut of this movie that’s exclusive to Disney Plus like what Max did for the Justice League movie. That would be the perfect opportunity to make the story make more sense and maybe add a song or two done by Lin Manuel Miranda.
I loved Moana 2 :(
sameee I had low expectations going in but I ended up loving it
You can love it, just don't spend your money on a lazy made movie like this. Otherwise we will never get an original again at this point :/
Same, people are so negative these days, it's so sickening.
@@Turtlemmd Whine much?
So they took the Moana series that was supposed to be on Disney plus, and basically did the reverse of what they've been doing with their MCU shows (which is basically turning movies into 6 episode TV shows). So the reason it basically feels off to people is because it is edited more like a movie that was made for TV rather than for the theater.
Just when you thought it couldn't get worse, it just does. Speed-cutting a show into a movie is the laziest thing any studio has ever done. But to believe that Disney would come to that point in its history is as depressing as Trump 2.0.
Wow that title is such a sick burn 😎👍🔥🔥🔥🔥
Hey round table I have a question are you going to make a video about new gravity falls characters and villains or are you going to talk about new Steven universe villains both human and gem I think some of the humans might use gem technology or just gain gem-based powers.
Now we wait for the VAs to sue disney for their work on the "movie". Same situation with Robin Williams.
Bonus points for using DBZ KAI Yamamoto music for the opening reviews at 0:01
I honestly though Moana 2 is just as good as the first movie
Disney was never your friend -_-
That’s literally every company buddy it’s not just Disney
That thumbnails/name was really funny and poggers!
The thumbnail looks like something schaffrillas would put in his video called " moana 2 is a movie that exist"
Dang, that's the 2nd movie reviewer I've seen mentioned here! The community seems to be growing I guess.
Naysayers got egg on face....M2 is almost half way to a billion the first week...😂
I AM SO HAPPY TO SEE JEREMY JAHNS VID IN THE BEGINNING! He is my favorite reviewer!
They meet literal Zulu Warriors at the end.
That title😂
What amazes me is nothing happened in the movie so I can imagine how dull the show would have been.
They should’ve stuck with the series idea and just made a proper sequel movie with the original cast, crew, writers, directors, songwriters, and score composer…
How is it legal for them to pay TV wages and then last minute change it to theatrical release? Like that genuinely seems like a lawsuit ready to happen?? 🤔
🎶 "It's okay when Disney does it" 🎶
Tienes un genial humor amigo 😂
Moana 2 is just like despicable me 4, it’s disappointing and bad but the audience loved it
Aww..
I saw two people each with 4 likes in the replies of one of Moana 2’s songs I was watching because I wanted to rank them and they said “Moana 2 is BETTER THAN MOANA 1 AND INSIDE OUT” LIKE WHAT DID WE WATCH THE SAME MOVIE?????!???
Word on YT has been going out telling kids AND families to talk about Working Conditions.
Wow! I'm here at the get go for once! But yeah, the 2020's are going to be sequels only. And unfortunately, everyone who doesn't keep track of animation news doesn't seem to care.
Moana 2 needed more tamatoa!
Disney never gives I flip about there animators just ask anyone who's worked for Disney it makes me sick that they do this
0:30 hmm yes, the floor is made of floor.
I didn’t like Moana 2 and it is valid to be concerned that Disney will learn the wrong lessons from its success, but it’s still a harmless film that doesn’t ruin the first Moana.
Welp!! It is official. Disney theatrical animation is in the tubes!!
You know I had one last sliver of hope for a second that Moana 2 could be a hit, a return to the forum to the classic Disney Movie with action, adventure, lovable characters, a dangerous villain and entertaining songs. Undoing the abomination that is Wish.
But no.
No.
No, no, no. It's all wrong!! It's just four episodes of a movie, TIED TOGETHER???!!!
Has Disney learned nothing from Atlantis: Milo's Return??
Disappointing.. 👎👎
I won't be seeing Zootopia 2 or Frozen III, even if people tell me it's "better than the original."
$389.2 million it's a hit already cry some more on the internet I'm sure that'll help😂
@@jordanmoore730 Not only did they get paid for a weak film, but people also stopped boycotting for supporting genocide, cry harder
@@gryficowa did you even read your message trust me buddy I'm not the one crying
@@jordanmoore730 So you support genocide? This explains a lot why there is something wrong with your head
Soyjak thumbnail goes hard
Another reason I haven't gone to the theater since Captain America Civil War
2:22 Couldn't have said it better myself. It's just going to tell Disney that they can turn any TV projects they have with their properties into lazy, shoddily made sequels that will generate money, as well as continue to stifle creativity for any original movies. Which is frustratingly in-line with their current plan -_-
Very funny title there buddy............
Disney is just doing their old practices again, should be a surprise to no one. Although there is really no one to feel sorry for, as Hollywood has long screwed itself over to irrelevant in terms of movies and shows. So, having them get it done in Canada instead of Hollywood should be no shocker at all, as more and more of the industry leaves the dumpster fire known as Commiefornia.
As for the movie itself, it would make sense for it to be mediocre as you very rarely ever get a good movie built from what was suppose to be an animated series. Even with as bad or boring as the sequel is, it could be better than the upcoming live-action remake with a vastly overblown budget and pure laziness.
im starting to think disney and other companies decided to copy the way japanese animators are treated
I would love a Moana tv series, I think if this was a tv series it would’ve been amazing