I'm very grateful to have seen this - because as a composer of vocal music, I''ve frequently been accused by singers of not being helpful to them in the passaggio - and now I'm more doubtful than ever whether this can be done at all.
Hi Yang Jane... really appreciate for what u do in your channel. I’m Ari Opera Tenor from Indonesia, eagerly to have the full video. May i have it? Or do you have the full link of this video? Thank you in Advance so muchhh
When demonstrating himself, A.Pappano, the non-singer, uses falsetto and speaks of making the voice smaller around the f, thus laying the ground for opening it up for the high notes. Then Kaufmann, the singer, demonstrates that he doesn't make the voice smaller nor uses falsetto at that point, but covers the note to then glide into the high b flat. And yes, it is not seamless i.e. non- audible. That's physically not possible and can be heard with every singer. Caruso was an outstanding example. Covering a note avoids the harsh sound at that junction. Melocchi style-trained singers are actually the ones who don't use the cover technique or try at least to shift the onset of a slight cover as far out as possible.
Few years ago, when Mr. bean was still okay to sing, you would him singing the passagio seamlessly. Now, where is he? Mr. bean was teaching how to sing/ deal with the passagio.
As an aspiring tenor I enjoyed this tremendously! I was also curious what it's excerpted from, so I did some research. It's part of a 4-part series-- Pappano's Classical Voices-- that aired on BBC several years ago. The site for the show is www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0615576 I was able to find the Tenor episode on YT here: th-cam.com/video/bcXFx4MxJwI/w-d-xo.html. Enjoy!
Can't call it "seamless negotiation" of the passagio, when in A-MOR the A and the MOR sound like two different voices completely. Kaufmann always overcovers, and on notes heavier voices than his would sing openly easily.
Pappano es uno de los asesinos de la ópera. Sin conocimiento real de la técnica vocal se atreve a abordar el papel de maestro. Kaufmann no es un referente técnico, aunque su naturaleza le permite, pero engolar nunca ha sido la mejor opción para hacerse escuchar en un teatro sin micrófonos auxiliando.
@@GersonHM4 abrir, bajar la larínge y aceptar las sensaciones que llegan cuando no estás acostumbrado a hacerlo. Entre más bajas y abres la laringe, el agudo se vuelve más sencillo, yo soy tenor de medio pelo y logro sin mayores dificultades el Bb4, de hecho mi nota más alta es el E5.
@@Martin-mc1wu Ve el canal This is Opera, está en inglés, pero como maestro de canto y tenor (La voz que requiere mayor esfuerzo técnico) puedo afirmarlo de ya. Yo permanecí ciego respecto a la técnica hasta que me interné en la técnica de los cantantes antiguos (Merril, Del Monaco, Tebaldi, Corelli) y entendí dos cosas, no hay voz de cabeza y el squillo (Inexistente ahora) son lo que guía las buenas técnicas. Saludos.
Inizio carriera questo tenore alleggeriva che era una meraviglia. Credo che adesso con tutto questo affondare gli rimarranno pochissimi anni di carriera. Orribile.
@@mr238asdqwe No engolar porque fuerzas la garganta y acabas con tu voz. Aquí, cubrir es bajar la laringe para cubrir las notas en pasaje (F o G). Javier Camarena te lo explica con maestría: th-cam.com/video/NmohG9ujV38/w-d-xo.html
Pappano has an operatic Baritone. But Kaufmann should learn him that he sings to o p e n. Corelli declares here on youtube that you always must think "b e h i n d". Only with the Larynx doen
Intenta imitar a Corelli, pero vamos es ridículo. Cada vez abusa más del falsete en los agudos. Esta teniendo graves problemas con lo joven q es, por fabricarse una voz q no es la suya.
Jesus Muñoz En una entrevista suya (Kauffman) aseguraba que tuvo que tomarse un tiempo de retiro por ese mismo motivo que tú expones aquí, sólo que refiriéndose a su anterior voz, aquella más suave y ligera con la que cantaba cossi fan tutte.
questo e' un consiglio per Pappano: - cambia mestiere ragazzo ! cosa dire della vocalità di Kaufmann ?! una vocalità fredda e poco professionale . questa e' la mia modesta opinione . il vecchio
@italopera : Your opinion is perfectly true. JK has no technique and his career is ruined by nodules, polyps, laryngitis acute. As a specialist of traditional italian technique, I offered JK to give him 3O years of career in complete tranquility : he never wanted to, which is not an evidence of intelligence !
Was gibt es bei Kaufmanns zum Mittagessen? Hackse, Sauerkraut und KNÖDEL, das isst man halt am Starnberger See und was soll denn dann auch anders vorn wieder herauskommen? ┐(´ー｀)┌
you are a conductor and not a singer enven so you noot be a tenor !!!! second you do not understand the voice !!! there is NO passagio in teh voice if you sustain properly withthe abdo !!! and kaufman is a FAKE dramatic tenor listen hime when he was young he sung with his rela voice a legero tenor he can sing dramatic with a microphone if not he can get thrugh the orchestra !!!! STOP Pappano comment !!!!! and listen old school tenor a try to show me the passagio
I'm very grateful to have seen this - because as a composer of vocal music, I''ve frequently been accused by singers of not being helpful to them in the passaggio - and now I'm more doubtful than ever whether this can be done at all.
Sounds like you need better singers ;)
Que interesante. Gracias!
Nagyon szeretem a mindenkori magyarázatait !
Does anybody know where the full movie is at?
Hi, this video is translated by me. Please let me know if you want to repost my video and also attach the original link of my post.
I like your translation very much! So great! Would you mind give us know and learn more in singing?So meaningful it is!
Hi Yang Jane... really appreciate for what u do in your channel. I’m Ari Opera Tenor from Indonesia, eagerly to have the full video. May i have it? Or do you have the full link of this video? Thank you in Advance so muchhh
do you know the name of the documentary or episode?
The passagio is more difficult to negotiate than the high c.
Pappano magyarázatai annyira érthetőek !
This seems to be the first part! Do you have the second, too?
Does anyone have the entire documentary ? Or the subsequent section ?
Unfortunately not me
Many thanks for your reply. Do you know the title of the documentary ?
Muy interesante, very interesing, gracias! Thank! Danke!
When demonstrating himself, A.Pappano, the non-singer, uses falsetto and speaks of making the voice smaller around the f, thus laying the ground for opening it up for the high notes. Then Kaufmann, the singer, demonstrates that he doesn't make the voice smaller nor uses falsetto at that point, but covers the note to then glide into the high b flat. And yes, it is not seamless i.e. non- audible. That's physically not possible and can be heard with every singer. Caruso was an outstanding example. Covering a note avoids the harsh sound at that junction. Melocchi style-trained singers are actually the ones who don't use the cover technique or try at least to shift the onset of a slight cover as far out as possible.
Only with the Larynx down you can solve the big passagio problems. Therefore you need a teacher who has washed in all watets
¡¡¡FANTASTICO E INIGUALABLE!!!
@italopera : you are in love with the man or with the voice ? With the man I can understand but with the voice : you don't know anything about it !
That diminuendo was awesome, very difficult.
Few years ago, when Mr. bean was still okay to sing, you would him singing the passagio seamlessly. Now, where is he? Mr. bean was teaching how to sing/ deal with the passagio.
The master.
Jonas gerai supranta kaip reikia!
As an aspiring tenor I enjoyed this tremendously! I was also curious what it's excerpted from, so I did some research. It's part of a 4-part series-- Pappano's Classical Voices-- that aired on BBC several years ago. The site for the show is www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0615576 I was able to find the Tenor episode on YT here: th-cam.com/video/bcXFx4MxJwI/w-d-xo.html. Enjoy!
in this video the master of passagio is Thomas Allen... it is mentioned anyone else? buzhidao
Smaller? What is he saying?
Exactly what I thought
Smaller for singer, but it had to be of the same volume for the audience.
Thank you for sharing this. Jonas you are the best in my Lifetime. You give so much ! ❤️
Can't call it "seamless negotiation" of the passagio, when in A-MOR the A and the MOR sound like two different voices completely. Kaufmann always overcovers, and on notes heavier voices than his would sing openly easily.
I agree with your comments! luomodelloggione.blogspot.com/2020/10/how-does-jonas-kaufmann-compare-to_27.html?m=1
Mr. Kaufmann not only sounds marvelous and does things that's unbelievable even to Maestro Pappano, but he looks so beautiful!!
Passionnant ! Merci alvaroalvar. (Alvaro dans la Forza aussi -))
Wow i did not now that someone besides Corelli could do that. And Kaufman made perfect diminuendo od the in Celeste Aida , that's very impresive.
WHAT AN AMAZING TENOR...AND SO HANDSOME AS WELL!!!
Pappano es uno de los asesinos de la ópera. Sin conocimiento real de la técnica vocal se atreve a abordar el papel de maestro. Kaufmann no es un referente técnico, aunque su naturaleza le permite, pero engolar nunca ha sido la mejor opción para hacerse escuchar en un teatro sin micrófonos auxiliando.
Bueno y en lugar de engolar, que se hace?
@@GersonHM4 abrir, bajar la larínge y aceptar las sensaciones que llegan cuando no estás acostumbrado a hacerlo. Entre más bajas y abres la laringe, el agudo se vuelve más sencillo, yo soy tenor de medio pelo y logro sin mayores dificultades el Bb4, de hecho mi nota más alta es el E5.
@@albertogallegos101 podrías recomendarme algún video en donde se explique lo que dices?
@@Martin-mc1wu Ve el canal This is Opera, está en inglés, pero como maestro de canto y tenor (La voz que requiere mayor esfuerzo técnico) puedo afirmarlo de ya. Yo permanecí ciego respecto a la técnica hasta que me interné en la técnica de los cantantes antiguos (Merril, Del Monaco, Tebaldi, Corelli) y entendí dos cosas, no hay voz de cabeza y el squillo (Inexistente ahora) son lo que guía las buenas técnicas. Saludos.
@@albertogallegos101 Muchas gracias!
Noooooo, no metas a caruso en esas tonterías.... So sad
La gola di Kaufmann riesce ad emettere suoni orribili.
Purtroppo oggi questi suoni sono considerati la bellezza.
Swallowing everything, no vowels a mess.
Very interesting! Thank you very much MAESTROS
Fantastisk
Inizio carriera questo tenore alleggeriva che era una meraviglia. Credo che adesso con tutto questo affondare gli rimarranno pochissimi anni di carriera. Orribile.
Passagio is a matter for all voices not only tenors! lovely voice Jonas Kaufmann!
It's only marketing, because Kauffman's voice is the "gola", but Pappano is a good director!
He represents a whole class of conductors that are destroying opera singers. Shame. And Kaufmann is of them.
what amazing technic
Hahahahahahah are you deaf?
Tremendo video!! me encanto a mí
dove bellis . timbro?
Q pasaje? Si cada vez engola más la voz. Esto es un vídeo para vender después el DVD. Q se quite la patata de la boca antes de cantar .
@@mr238asdqwe No engolar porque fuerzas la garganta y acabas con tu voz. Aquí, cubrir es bajar la laringe para cubrir las notas en pasaje (F o G). Javier Camarena te lo explica con maestría: th-cam.com/video/NmohG9ujV38/w-d-xo.html
Jajajaja...de acuerdo contigo...
No hay pasaggio como lo enseña aquí.
Sólo hay que cubrir.
@@pablottalonso7878 formas vocales en el faringe. pero cuidado con la laringe.
@@Omorel Javier Camarena tiene tan mala tecnica como él.
Vicino al SOOOL (voz “afaseltada”, blanca). Vídeo interesante, en todo caso.
Aarón Jover no termina con el agudo termina con falsete y noes por queno tiene voz no lo entiendo
Señor papano porque kaufman canta el aria Aida deiferente
Because he can!!!!!!!
Ridicoli e arroganti, si sentono depositari del nulla. Perché kaufmann non ci fa un video su quante volte è stato operato alle corde vocali?
È un tenore, giusto ? 🤔 no comment
Only 1 or 2 people know how to sing mezza di voce? 🤣🤣🤣
Like birds...He just do it...!!
I wish they could do a similar video about Bass. There is no way (i think) that i could reach such high notes.
Bass technically should not be singing above an F4, at the absolute top G4
E4 ia the standard highest chest note for a bass
Pappano has an operatic Baritone. But Kaufmann should learn him that he sings to o p e n. Corelli declares here on youtube that you always must think "b e h i n d". Only with the Larynx doen
A great artist. Nice throat singing though...
Fantasticas las clses de tednica y el marabilloso inters por perfecionar
Voce ingolata
Ah adesso è un trono vicino al saaaal.... Non lo sapevo
È una voce forzata il giusto ne tanto ne poco ,ma non è libera ,la natura lo aiuta ma non è a fuoco perché la voce manca di squillo
Sitiene esa voz wagleriana porque hutiliza tanto el falsete
Intenta imitar a Corelli, pero vamos es ridículo. Cada vez abusa más del falsete en los agudos. Esta teniendo graves problemas con lo joven q es, por fabricarse una voz q no es la suya.
Jesus Muñoz En una entrevista suya (Kauffman) aseguraba que tuvo que tomarse un tiempo de retiro por ese mismo motivo que tú expones aquí, sólo que refiriéndose a su anterior voz, aquella más suave y ligera con la que cantaba cossi fan tutte.
por qué dices lo de Corelli?
Dios, qué voz la de Jonas! ❤
Grazie Maestri
questo e' un consiglio per Pappano:
- cambia mestiere ragazzo !
cosa dire della vocalità di Kaufmann ?!
una vocalità fredda e poco professionale .
questa e' la mia modesta opinione .
il vecchio
@italopera : Your opinion is perfectly true. JK has no technique and his career is ruined by nodules, polyps, laryngitis acute. As a specialist of traditional italian technique, I offered JK to give him 3O years of career in complete tranquility : he never wanted to, which is not an evidence of intelligence !
Great Maestro Pappone !
No se holbide de Alagna
Jonas Kaufmann??? Knödelsinging!
Matti Heiskanen You make me laugh so much! Thank you! 😂
Was gibt es bei Kaufmanns zum Mittagessen? Hackse, Sauerkraut und KNÖDEL, das isst man halt am Starnberger See und was soll denn dann auch anders vorn wieder herauskommen?
┐(´ー｀)┌
Mentira.
Debe hacer con más naturalidad. Y no mezclar con falseto o falsete...
6.33
The disgusting sounds they make
My Gooood, Pappano is a disgusting teacher , what a shame 🤮🤮🤮🤬🤬
Quante cazzate che tocca sentire..
Barking.
It's clear that he is not an expert. You do NOT make the voice lighter when you go up unless you are a bad singer using modern pseudotechnique.
Stop that man, he is a dager to opera singing.
kaufmann canta increíble
you are a conductor and not a singer enven so you noot be a tenor !!!! second you do not understand the voice !!! there is NO passagio in teh voice if you sustain properly withthe abdo !!! and kaufman is a FAKE dramatic tenor listen hime when he was young he sung with his rela voice a legero tenor he can sing dramatic with a microphone if not he can get thrugh the orchestra !!!! STOP Pappano comment !!!!! and listen old school tenor a try to show me the passagio