Invisible Warriors: How the NGAD's Thermal Cloak Redefines Stealth
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Fun Fact - you probably already know - BUT - just in case ---- the F-117 was first used against Panama - when we went in and captured Noriega
Not the Phantom... My vote goes to F-25 Ghost....
the thing with the tiles on the shuttle was, they were there to stop the things underneath melting. The tiles on the f-117 and B-2 are there to reduce the heat signature. These 2 ideas are very different so it is unlikely they are the same material
Especially given that the SST tiles were all silica/sand based that were baked and the new ones appear to be constructed using advanced additive composite/ceramic materials.
Based on B-21 tech
To bad there's no prize for getting concept anticipation rendering correct. I think you're gonna end up being close Tog. Your research is always great.
p.s. If memory serves, the paint on the SR-71 was something called iron-ball paint. Had a texture akin to sand paper. The additional surface area helped dissipate heat and possibly had some radar stealth contribution.
I felt the edge of the SR71. It was smooth like one of those grey grit sandpapers. It was awesome, there is one at a museum in McMinnville Oregon
This concept is definitely related to the mirrored coating that's been tested on our currant stealth aircraft.
And also 'where is all the glitter going?' conspiracy.
Glitter is anti IRST chaff? Glitter is in the chrome / cRaptor coatings being tested?
@@getahanddown MOAB is a glitter bomb. It's nearly the perfect material to make a thermobaric weapon.
Just need to raise the nitrate levels of the substrate, and oxidize the metallics.
Kaboom. 💥
trust me.. if we know about they have done it 20 years ago.. they already have craft that can mirror the sky above on its belly.. the leadin edge of the wing ionized with plasma actuators to reduce drag.. they have stealth helicopters that you wouldnt hear flying above you.. even the director of lockheed skunkworks ben rich said before he died that we have stuff in the desert that would make george lucas envious.. he even went as far as saying that we have now means of taking the E.T home, but it would take an act of god for these projects to ever see the light of day.
Yes, chrome F-35's and F-22's have been spotted.
@@larryc1616 and F117s
Phantom was on my short list too, but while the Navy has no problem keeping names for a succession of vessels, to date, the Air Force has never given the same name to three aircraft.
The Navy’s first jet was the FH-1 Phantom. The F-4 was the Phantom II.
USAF NGAD will either stay with the bird of prey naming standard (Eagle, Fighting Falcon, Raptor, etc…) OR they’re going to go all DEI and name it the YF-25 Ru Paul or something ridiculous like that… 😊
On the same line as “Phantom” we DO have Phantasm, Wraith (my current favorite), Shadow, OR, since the NGAD will arguably be a sort of a “shape shifter” through various EM bands, the name “Eidolon” would be pretty damn awesome. At the very least it would send a lot of people scrambling for their dictionary…
The USAF has given the same name to 3 aircraft. The C-17 is called Globemaster III.
@@markbernero9302INDEED THEY HAVE!!! Well caught, man!
C-74, C-124, and the C-17. Nice!!
In that case, “Phantom” would be a great name and would carry on with tradition, which they are rather big on… Thanks for the correction, Mark.
Not sure if the USAF will be able to keep the whole "bird of prey" theme going for much longer, as they're running out of birds. Unless we get into really obscure birds of prey like bateleurs or bring in mythical birds like the phoenix, all the bird of prey names I can think of are either used already, unsuitable for a military aircraft (Hobby, kite), have unappealing connotations (Vulture) or would suit a transport better than a fighter (Condor)
Back about 15 years ago Popular Mechanics/Popular Science Magazine (then my favorite ummm sitting in peace and relief daily activity) there were a numerous articles about also using optical fiber to translate the light from the top of the plane to the bottom to mask it optically from the ground
Now that'll be a cheap solution.(sarcasm) It requires a Single Body part design. (No maintenance or gear hatches, weapons bays, fuel ports, as you would have to interrupt those fibers) so basically, for every Landing, or refuel, you have to take off it's entire skin. That'll be funny to watch. You get the drift: It's not possible. And Popular Mechanics should have said so.
@Gunni1972 Certainly it's more involved than what they're currently doing, but it's not as difficult as you might think. Hinged panels that rotate out of the way, paired with 'epaper' leds to preserve curved surfaces. There was actually some primitive testing of this tech in iraq with ground troops, though I'm not sure what they determined with those tests.
@@Gunni1972
Aviation Week, late 80s to mid 90s had an article in which it was stated as open fact that A-10s painted with materials having self aligning fibers in the carrier could _change color_, with a simple voltage application to the edge of the resulting grid. Self repairing with a touch up too.
They got robins egg blue, red and black out of it and when it was turned off, it actually functioned as a low grade RAM.
Also Aviation Week: Sometime in the early 2000s, 'an elite few' were allowed to see a B-2 in a private hangar at Le Bourget, when someone flipped a switch, it also changed colors, matching the background.
The point being, back when they published a magazine that was worth reading, and could be viewed in most libraries, the U.S. aerospace propaganda mouth piece was talking about _admitted_ abilities similar to what the first poster described.
So THIS is why we’ve seen pictures of “chrome” Raptors the past few year!
F-44 Phantom would be perfect‼️ You hit that right on the money, how do we make it a reality⁉️ It’s too perfect a name to miss out on the opportunity…
It would need top be called the Phantom III, but yeah, F-44 Phantom III would be perfect.
Why 44? To scare the chicom with two death numbers? :)
@@BoraHorzaGobuchulF-44 because the previous Phantom was the F-4... I forgot the significance of "4" in Chinese culture, so that works too 😆
In Japanese, Shi (pronounced she, as in female in English) is either 4 or death, giving rise to using Yon for 4 instead. Ah, the F-4 Phantom II: America's proof to the world that given enough thrust you can make a brick fly. Too bad they relied on unreliable missile technology to defend it.
@@everettputerbaugh3996 I seem to remember (but could easily be wrong) Korean is similar.
I think the flying brick analogy also makes an F-44 Phantom III more appropriate… the NGAD is going to rely on speed and stealth over maneuverability, effectively making it a flying stealth brick. 😁
i want to call it the F-91 "Sneakyboi"
I'm already calling it old sneaky booty 44.69. But that's just me.
Sneakyboi mcplaneface Diddy booty. I'm with you all, yall been at this longer, you're the professionals
@texasranger24 you've done this before. I'm just a beginner.
Did you just assume they gender?
Sounds good.😁
Your graphics have become next level imaginative and nobody is doing anything close to your content, nor the quality. Well done sir, much appreciated. Phantom has been my choice since we started learning a significant amount of details, regarding the NGAD. Also on my list in no particular order are…
Voodoo
Ghost
Black Widow
I your suggestions except for Black Widow. Too many negative connotations for the crew, although it would be badass if they went for it anyways just to have a fighter named for a spider.
Thank you Ted! I try to learn a new animation technique for each video - really appreciate your comment and support my friend. Here's to the F-38 Phantom III
Phantom 3! I like that name!
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Amazing video.
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For me this is something new and the ability to track aircraft by heat signature has been around for some time now and it will be great to be able to defeat these systems thanks for the info
My friend. You gave honor to a fighter that goes straight to the hart. The F4 Phantom. I was a Hydraulic Tech in the Air Force in the early 70s, stationed in Thailand. I had the privilege to be able to work on that beast of a fighter. By the way, great presentation. Peace, my friend!
While I agree the name of Phantom would be perfect, often it seems pilots coin a nickname that winds up sticking. There are exceptions, the Eagle and Raptor were well-named. But often there are nicknames given--especially when planes are named after famous WW2 warbirds. A-10 Thunderbolt II was called the Warthog instead. The F-35 Lightning I hear is being called the Panther by pilots. The F16s were called Vipers, not "Fighting Falcons", and so on. The pilots and aircrew seem to get the last say.
and thankfully so...
@danhill372 I wasn't aware that nickname had been coined for the F-35 LOL--I had to look up "Fat Amy". I just hope it's performance is better than the unflattering nickname--but then again the Warthog also did not have a flattering nickname.
@@dandaintac388 wild warthogs are extremely dangerous.
im extremely curious how samarium oxide is being publicized when radar absorbent materials specifics are codeword material.
Let's have a look
Thank you for your kindness and letting nosy people like myself find out all the neat things our Military has to protect us with. This is unbelievable, I’m a Retired Vietnam PJ and love 💗 to research things. THANK YOU AGAIN.
Great report sir! Being able to collect & review this kind of information on one of the most highly guarded secret projects there are must be a daunting task. Thanks for sharing.
Wanna hear a report of my dream too? 34 trillion$ Army gets confiscated to pay debts.
Phantom, I like it, having seen an F4 go supersonic, at about 100 yards at 75 feet go past my ship about 54 years ago, something you never forget. The next thing for stealthy fighters would be sound reduction, over land it is a giveaway that something is on the way.
The 'fly in the ointment' of thermal stealth is in the air the aircraft just flew through. Even if you can mask the aircraft itself from IR emissions....the air behind it will be disrupted and turbulent and I believe this is what future systems will be trying to find and track rather than just the vehicle itself.
That's very interesting. That means they would have to move through the air without disturbing it. I'm fairly certain they are in the early to mid testing stages of understanding / developing materials that allow them to do just that. Implementing these materials in real world applications publicly are 10-20 years away.
@@stephenmiller2544 , You're fairly certain? What planet are you from? When an object moves through the air, on this planet, that is, by definition, disturbance.
Air can become turbulent on it's own, but I am guessing it would have a different signature.
interesting concept. would mean missiles would start being developed in a similar way to torpedos. Find the path traveled, and shoot up it's tail pipe. That means planes would have a very good chance of outrunning them though. And you could make decoys that would create a big turbulent mess to throw off pursuing missiles.
I'm guessing that thermal stealth will involve keeping the bottom of the aircraft as flat as possible, so friction only happens on the top half of the aircraft and only radiates upwards, sort of like how the bottom of the F-117 is totally flat. I'm also guessing that all leading edges will be actively cooled.
Ngad is making me so patriotic 😂🇺🇸🫡🫡😩😩
XFA-33 Fenrir from Ace Combat X: Skies of Deception has optical camouflage, the same technology used by the airborne fortress from the same game, Gleipnir.
10:21 coating that emits the same amount of thermal radiation independent of its temperature, within a temperature range of about 30 °C. This is accomplished using samarium nickel oxide (SmNiO3)-a quantum material that changes strongly but gradually as a function of temperature. The scientists attribute this evolution of its optical properties over the temperature range of ∼40 to ∼140 °C to a fully reversible and hysteresis-free thermally driven insulator-to-metal transition (IMT). ZERO DIFFERENTIAL EMITTER 2019 University Wisconsin Madison
Even older fighter jets exceed that fuselage temperature though, and if you talk really high speeds, you are in a multiple of that heat range rather quick.
mine comment was copy and paste a after keywords google search... I hope info about ZDE gets explained further for us. Your reply prompted another google search....."The skin temperature drops initially as the aircraft climbs due to exposure to decreasing ambient air temperatures. As the speed increases above about Mach 1, where the temperature begins to increase, the skin temperature reaches a maximum of 120°C (248°F) after exposure while cruising at Mach 2.2." @@Gunni1972
You can't break the laws of physics, but you can bend them.
My pet theory is that the two prototypes were the X-63 and X-64, making the NGAD and F/A-XX the F-63 and/or F-64
My thoughts exactly. Even the timeline matches up with what Kendall said.
Great channel.
it exists, and if you know who the Interceptors are, they nicknamed it the "Switchblade", Because of an old Northrop Grumman concept patent. and once again if you know who the Interceptors are, then you know they don't give nicknames to things they haven't actually seen. And I'm not talking about the Aurora or the SR-72.
Pretty cool
A minor addition to NGAD that I think may happen with it or will soon be used is a weapons bay door that does not swing down when it opens, this has been a problem with the f22 and f35 that they are detectable when bay door is open. I sliding panel of some sort would eliminate much of this problem.
The name becoming the F-66 Wisp sounds like an appropriate name...
1) Name it after the "Will-o'-the-wisp;" after a folklore flame that leads you, but cannot be reached; a ghost or spirit; a "foolish flame" (as in "it would be a fool's errand to catch it, or it will lead you to death").
2) You may hear the WhISP-er of it the wind, but you'll never see where it came from, or where it went.
3) If you hear the Wisp, you weren't the target.
4) Don't face the Wisp, you can't reach it.
5) If you follow the "foolish flame," joke's on you.
6) It is but a wispy spirit, here one minute, gone the next.
Etc...👻
It's like the B2 "Spirit," but even more hidden.
F-43 specter = something widely feared but hard to define
I like your idea for Phantom as the name.
PHANTOM‼
I agree, phantom f5
Names-- Banshee, Terminator, Ghost Hawk, Legion, Demigod, Skynet, and Indoraptor!
I worked on the ngad but recently retired. Truth is we have anti gravity as well as anti matter based propulsion system. Visible active camouflage as well. Also the plane is shaped like a donut 🍩
Come on now...
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A few years ago there was big development in ceramic based stealth coatings. That immediately got classified and disappeared from public knowledge.
I don't know if I buy being able to stop aerodynamic heating, but if you could then you can get to mach 5 with Blackbird tech.
Great video. My name suggestion: Wraith
The NGAD with the new Aim 260 with a few drone wingmen who can operate as Aim 260 missile trucks is going to be absolutely devastating. The US currently has air superiority, but once the NGAD is in service I believe it will just be completely ridiculous for any enemy to even attempt air combat against the US for decades to come.
I'm down with "Phantom III".
I think a better name would be the F-62 Cloaked Widow. It would pay homage to America's first night fighter the P-61 Black Widow
Phantom III would be cool. That would be the first time a fighter name went into the third generation
Phantom is a great name
probably active cooling at the exhaust it is simple and cheap.
b2 and yf23 both used shuttle tiles on the aft deck
I still think it should be called the Ghost.
Maybe even “Stalker”. Lol.
It's oled panels that show a picture of the other side to appear as if it's not there.
Second Law of Thermodynamics states that waste heat MUST BE PRODUCED by any machine and must be removed to an external heat sink. So the NGAD must expel waste heat somehow, either by radiation (infrared) or transfer to the atmosphere. EVERY object emits thermal radiation at all times, regardless of its composition.
*Hyper-sonic planes and missiles have so much plasma surrounding them they are automatically INVISIBLE to Radar and infrared detection.*
While it is true it is much harder to track them reliably, it is definitely not invisible, as hypersonic missiles have been shot down before
@@cinemasurge1851 *Russia has FAST MISSILES but they are not really TRUE hyper-sonic level yet.*
You can't see me can you see what kind of technologies we have here in America The Beautiful FREEDOM!!!! Is a experience you just need to try at least once in your life
I’m a retired electro-mechanical engineer and Marine Captain, you don’t know how many times I scream when these ya-oohs talk about stealth and their math is so far off. Half of them are still using crayons. lol. You did a good explanation for most people. Thanks
Great video, as always 👍
But what if quantum radars get realty. I guess Raytheon is working on it as well.
If all this speculation pans out, an awesomely fitting name would be WRAITH.
I understand why you made the change, but the YF-22 was not code named Raptor, it was code named Lighting II. I kind of get why the production planes underwent the name change, but I've always thought it was confusing and stupid to reuse Lighting II for the F-35.
If it needs a special coating to be Invisible to IR, how does that interfere with the RAM coating?
You need a magnetic envelop to reduce the heat on the surface and more power to do so without the tale of fire even if you hide it the way you do.
Phantom is good. They should call the drones that fly with it minions. That’s the best I got lol
Tracked by the IRS(T). Clever name.
F-44 Phantom III. Interesting name choice.
Simply flowing prechilled fuel through veins throughout the airframe near the skin could be enough to throw off ir detection.
I can see that as a solution, as it was done on the SR-71. But it would have to be done on the entire skin of the plane, which would require additive manufacturing for the entire surface in- and outside. And i don't think, any mechanic would EVER want to clean that.
Thermal cloak like the SSV Normandy
Mass Effect was such a great game, and I think your comment is the first ME reference on my channel - Bravo Zulu!
The navy’s ngad Should be called shadow cat
It would be the "Phantom III" as there have been 2 Phantoms before it. :)
Chinese handlers probably already have access to the "top secret" coating. In fact, it's probably still in Mar-a-Largo.
What effect does Aerogel have on stealth
What about the adaptive camouflage work that's been done? Hmmm.
For my idea of a sixth generation category fighter, I worried about the thermal signature especially because I plan on it going past mach 3 for supercruising as it is meant to have a range past 3,000 nmi. But now, I see hope😊
If it's supersonic, it will be leaving a supersonic shockwave, which can be tracked.
@@Aeronaut1975 The sonic boom, not when the data from the X-59 gets used.
@@Aeronaut1975cope
I'd imagine at some point cryogenic fluid pumped through the skin of the craft could drop it to ambient.
I wonder if the mirror finish on some F22s is for thermal reasons? Oh, I worked on the F4E when I was in the USAF back in the mid-70s, so Phantom III would work fo rme. However I am 71 so I doubt if I will live long enough to see the bird flying.
Im still a fan of the name grey ghost 😂
But I think its time for a new budget item to be called aurora 🤣
Hang in there Mike !! You should be watching with the rest of us in a very few years ! And I'm only 10 years behind you 👍👍
That's an interesting material, but I think it would be used to assist with a much more practical and effective means of dealing with heat - dump the heat overboard.
Didn't the AbramsX demonstrator have the capability to change what it looked like when viewed in IR/NODS?
I remember seeing a video of it lit up in greyscale, and then fading into a much smaller, and distinct, vehicle.
The Phantom 3
use a shield behind the buster to cool down the fighter jets engine it be cool down the Heat on the aircraft by using a material
Name it the Ghost.
That's appropriate
Houdini strikes again.
10:40 It may have some applications, IF the material science is capable of being adapted to SLOWER AIRCRAFT IN THEORY, the structural integrity of the airframe, the existing RAM coatings, the interplay of different components... Essentially the skin of the craft would need good heat transference. It's always a game of cat and catch up / mouse. Different sensors may be able to detect the next invention thus continuing our technological advancement -- besides thermals differences may still be able to be seen from space, depending on resolutions and sensor types -- and considering the interplay with better and faster communication relays between constituent components such as the concept of loyal wingman, one could theorize additional information from different government satellite resources being directly accessed by airframes.
I had the idea of cameras and screens projecting what’s behind it 2 decades ago. I’m sure they are far beyond anything I could have thought of. The toads and stealth should easily handle radar threats leaving thermal which I imagine the toads are effective against them. The thermal cloaking should be quite advanced and the icing on the cake when combined with the aforementioned defenses combined with drone wingmen that are a far juicier target than the plane.
They have that technology in a cloak like hog warts used. But it wouldn’t be good for heat invisiblity. I’m sure they have lots of stuff we have no clue about, yet.
i would love to see the yf23 airframe brought into the japanese airforce. or something that looks like it. but with the computer capability now, everything will be tailless to really drop the radar cross section.
Just planely name it the Ghost!
You still need to vent excess heat from engine, not to mention exhaust. Also remember - YF-23 with GE F-120s had power equal roughly to frakin' Concorde. No way to hide it.
You don't always have to go full throttle. So they could reduce thrust and hence heat signature to manageable levels unless they need top performance.
Also, there's the concept of disposable heat sinks in SF. Unlikely to be usable at the current tech level but who knows when it becomes so.
I'm OK with retiring the name "Phantom." It was a seriously flawed plane. How about the "Nightwing?"
Let's see these requirements:
1. Invisible to radar
2. Invisible to optics
3. Able to fly to space thru ion/plasma propulsion
4. Laser capabilities
5. Reduce velocity to zero, followed by immediate spherical combat rotational capability.
6. Anti EMP materials.
Next up in the stealth threshold, acoustic. 😂
shhh, im listening for aliens
Effectively already being worked on with that NASA SST sonic boom limiting test plane...
@@mikekopack6441oh yeah they are trying to direct the boom upwards right? Or something like that
Why didn't you use the mirror skin you did in previous episodes? That's already flying on the F22 and F35 and is probably this new thermal sheilding material
Will this be more advanced than the Aurora.
Call it the SR-Deadly One or just call it DEADLY.
How did we get there stealth freaking 👽👹🙏🏼
how will NGAD be undteectable when current radar are able to detact UFOs in the sky?
If you’re moving fast, the air itself suffers compressive heating in front of the aircraft
Great point and we will see - eventually - how the heat detection problem is solved. Thanks for commenting and being a subscriber!
@@PilotPhotog as far as i know, stealthy experiments like the RQ-3 DarkStar solve the compressive heating problem by flying slow and having long endurance. Unmanned platforms don’t need to dogfight.
F-24-29 Owl. The most stealth bird of prey.
Thank you 🙏 I know people in USA 🇺🇸 they never stop creating New the next step ☝️thanks 👏👏👏☮️👍🎥
Next step to armageddon isn't exactly "Advancing" though.
@@Gunni1972 thank you 🙏 it would be new for me ☝️have a joyful day 👋
Phantom's good, but I'm throwing the name wraith out there, poltergeist for the unmanned version.
So NGAD will be Phantom III?
They probably have a plane with a skin that has mini computer chips in it
actually if they do visual stealth the outer skin will be made of bismuth and electrically charged. Give bismuth enough juice and you can bend electromagnetic fields and charged particles around it. Photons are charged particles
I'd call it the Storm Shadow, or Night Storm.
I'd call it "Pipe dream", very effective at subsidies creation. Not a war-winner though.