True Crime: The Most Notorious Australian Cases | Full Episode
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- CI examines two notorious abduction cases. The first case is the Graeme Thorne ransom kidnapping at Bondi in 1960. Thorne, aged eight was the son of winners of the Sydney Opera House Lottery. The second case is the recent Daniel Morecombe Queensland case that still remains unsolved. Crime Investigation Australia has secured exclusive interviews that shed new light on both of these infamous cases that stunned the nation.
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Hosted by respected journalist, Steve Liebmann, CIA uncovers the true stories behind these cases through chilling re-enactments and access to the key detectives, family members and witnesses involved.
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I live in Victoria, BC Canada and almost 30 years ago a 4 year boy named Michael Dunahee was taken from a family park while his parents attended a community softball tournament. Much like this case, he simply disappeared that day and his family has never had any trace of him. I firmly believe that these True Crime channels have immense power to help find these missing children. I hope all these families as can find their children soon😪
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Wow, what skills these detectives showed in solving this case. This was 40 years before DNA but the quality of their work shone through. It makes me happy to see all the older police force still alive and enjoying their lives after working to help people.
It really is amazing, for so many of these documentaries you hear the copper in it go "well it was years before DNA etc. etc."
Remarkable!
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I feel and know their pain. My 3 year old granddaughter was murdered in 2009 and her murderer gets out of prison in October of 2022. My prayers to this family!💝
I am so incredibly sorry, that is truly horrific.
@@carinaeriksson4975 , Thank you.🙏
So sorry to hear that.
Valarie that is absolutely heartbreaking. I can not begin to imagine the feeling of injustice you must feel that this monster is out free, living his life. Our criminal justice system is an absolute joke.
RIP to your baby granddaughter ❤
I'm so sorry for your loss. 😢
These cases are so heartbreaking... Daniel's case hurt me the most because I'm a twin myself. My twin brother is very overly friendly and naive most of the time, but he also has mental disorders that have stunted his brain growth so it's really not his fault. He has the mind of a child. So I'm almost always shadowing him whenever we're together. Protecting him. I love him so much and he doesn't have a mean bone in his body. For him to just disappear one day and never come back, I don't think I could ever live my life the same again. Every day would be torture. I really hope Daniel's case can be solved one day. My heart goes out to his family.
I have a twin brother too, and I felt so badly for him. Those questions the reporter asked likely just triggered up more pain. I pray he didn’t suffer long and the surviving brother got the help he needed to heal.
Love listening to those old detectives, so professional, hard working and smart.
They have a certain authenticity.
Amen to that!! The end of the Great Generation!!! I just wish I could understand them..... I'm American and speak English but I struggle with Australian accent really bad. This looks like such a good show, I'm so bummed out that I can't understand them :-(
Good to see them still switched on and remembering everything.
Some of them were tough, and showed them ? what they needed to do to get their mesg. across.
Sometimes Policeman/Detective Plod can come up with more clues than a DNA machine, just by talking to a list of people.
@@yukiefromoz2573 How could they ever forget this awful crime?
I've never cried so early on in a crime show, but that dad crying broke my heart.
It was the cop choking up talking about after so many years that got me. Shows you just how deeply they felt about it.
I'm so impressed with the detectives hard work so many years ago before DNA. This is true detective work.
You aussies are a trip... I'm hooked on this channel...
So very sad how in the world a man who has a child can take the life of someone else’s child it breaks my heart for the family that lost their boy
I always wonder why they cover the faces of these horrific people when they’re arrested. The world deserves to see them and know who they are.
Because they're not convicted yet? Arresting someone is still in the investigative phase.
This is absolutely amazing police work for the 1960’s! Super impressive.
When people win lottery or whatever they should have the right to anonymity. No one needs to know what person won and what city or town they live in. They become instant targets for greed. Great detective work and persistence
have another look at 53:43 - people can opt out of going public now.
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That what it was like back then. It was a time when everyone thought they had anything to fear. It was only after this case that the right to anonymity was given to lottery winners, to prevent this sort of thing happening again.
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The papers printed the name of the street the Thornes lived on. And the kidnapper somehow knew their as yet unlisted phone number. I think that whoever gave Bradley that number is one of the people that police considered an accomplice. But they had no hard proof.
Kudos to the investigation team on this case...they did a wonderful job..
So terribly sad, my heart aches for both families.
I read later that they found Daniel’s remains and his killer convicted. All he got was twenty years. Life should mean life!
One of the interview questions at our local bus company is would you stop for a child, or refuse to let someone on if they didnt have the money. If they say they wouldn't stop or they would refuse to let someone on, they arent hired. This was after a driver here in the UK refused a young girl to board as she was 20p short of her fare. She was viciously attacked as she walked to be picked up and left with serioys injuries. In both drivers defence you would never think that Daniel or the young girl would be attacked. I would have put the 20p in myself though rather than let a young girl back on the street late at night and miles from home 😢
I recall last year, I was on a bus, 3 teens where trying to get on it, the boy had a metro ticket only, the driver was humming and harring, I loudly offered to pay the fare, I explained to the driver 'how would u feel if this was your son?' he let them onboard, when I was waiting to depart the bus, I very loudly explained to the driver that he had no compassion and was a Di*k
I remember Daniel, I lived really close to him. I remember talking to his parents when they came to my school to teach us about staying safe. I've never seen so much sadness yet so much determination and strength from a person than I saw in his parents. I'm so happy that the case was finally solved and they are able to find some peace now that they've been able to lay his remains to rest finally.
They have finde the murderer?
They cought the murderer
@@yueshen6002,yes..The killer was found..So was Daniel's remains...
Daniel is such a lovely kid, buying Christmas gift for his parents in a surprise approach.
Daniels' remains were found in an abandoned gold mine, not far from his home In 2010/2011, and his murderer is serving a lengthy sentence. May his family finally have some peace.
I was wondering if I was watching the wrong report but realise this video is old.... think they got the guy that did it
Bravo to all investors involved!! Given the time of this murder these people were far ahead of their time! Such a tragic loss for this family 💔
Investigators
I've seen a more in-depth documentary related to this particular case and in my honest opinion it has to be one of the finest investigations of it's time. The lengths they went to solve this case and the use of newly developed and emerging forensic technology was astounding. Every level of this investigation was first-rate, from the initial stages of the investigation right through to the final stages of the investigation . No stone was left unturned by these investigators/forensic scientists and if it wasn't for their grit and determination to catch this culprit I truly believe this case might have gone unsolved and turned cold.
What was the documentary called?
Which case are you talking about?
And some family in London may have been spared.
The Graham Thorne kidnapping was a huge event in Australia at the time. I was a few years older than that poor little boy and I remember it well. No surprise that Murdoch's newly purchased Mirror behaved disgustingly.
A special death penalty for these people who abduct and harm women and children. There is no reason not to.
For any premeditated heinous crime against another human being, whether they be male or female. There have been some brutal murders against men too.
Slowly torture
I'm American and been watching this channel.... it's friggin awesome..
Australians are a friggin trip...
The criminals and the regular people on here flip me out!
Something weird happened in Australia in the '60s. The Beaumont children, the Wanda Beach murders, Graeme Thorne, Allen Redstone. All crimes against children. I think there was a mad soldier as well who was suspected of being a serial killer targeting children.
The soldier name was Derek percy...
Eric Cooke too.
@@unowen9668Alan mcintyre was believed to have involved in the Beaumont children murders .his son Andrew McIntyre mentions this in his you tube video
When they printed the story about the lottery winner. They sealed his fate
Amazing work by the Australian police , investigators and other people involved in the search of the heartless killer...but again, I wonder if because of the making the kidnapping public , the boy died so quickly. Kidnappers dont want police or the rest of the people know, in order to protect the life of the kidnapped person and themselves... Poor little boy..
I remember this case I was the same age as Graham ..my Gran wouldn’t. Let me out of her sight till this was solved ...
I've seen a few comments about the Daniel Morcombe case that contain either insufficient or erroneous information. Brett Cowan, was convicted of Daniel's murder in 2014 and sentenced to life with a non-parole period of 20 years.
It's clear that some people are confused about the difference between charging and conviction. A charge is a formal accusation of a crime. A conviction is either an acceptance or finding of guilt. A sentence is the punishment for a crime.
It was mentioned here that Western Australian police effected a Mr Big sting against Cowan. No. It was a Queensland case, investigated by the Queensland Police Service, with significant assistance from WA police. The main reason Western Australia figured in the investigation is because Cowan moved to WA after he murdered Daniel, probably seeking to put as much distance as he could between his aberrant, abhorrent crimes and investigators.
Those who live in Queensland know that the 'heat' around Daniel's disappearance was never really turned down. Daniel's parents were tireless in their vigilance, and the support they received for their efforts kept the case alive in the media and in the minds of the public.
Cowan was a person of interest in the case and as such appeared at the inquest into Daniel's disappearance in March 2011. It was on the flight back from Brisbane to WA that the first seeds of the Mr Big sting were sown, and by August 2011 Cowan was arrested and charged with Daniel's murder. There is a bit of footage online from that sting, and plenty of info about Mr Big sting operations. It's a Canadian technique that has resulted in several convictions, although in recent years has come under scrutiny because of the issue of false confessions.
No doubt in Cowan's case. He did it. He's a serial predator, who has been attacked a couple times in prison, once with a pot of boiling water, once with a shiv.
Glad I heard of this story ! I'm 56 yrs old so it's before my time ! Things haven't changed have they ! These Lowlife piece's of dirt murdering our kids ! He never even tried to collect the ransom money ! All for nothing ! So sorry to the family even after all these years ! 🙏🏴🙏🏴🙏🏴
cried my eyes out watching this, those poor parents. ive sen the end to this, im so glad the bastard was caught. R.I.P Daniel xxx
Good work on the first case. What a nasty man, with 3 kids of his own. SMH...
Excellent forensic investigation, especially for its time
Can't watch . Too depressing . This was a great series . Steve Liebman presented these doco' dramas excellently .
Daniel was definitely his mother’s son. He had her beautiful eyes. So sad he would not be able to see beyond his short years.
If we did feed the rapists, child abductors/killers, etc to the sharks we'd have a lot less of these crimes..
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Absolutely. No second offenders either.
I would love to see the victims family being able to torture these criminals first
The Police did an excellent job of finding the perpetrator....I feel so sorry for the family..RIP little Graham.
I get there are bad people in the world but to this day I have a hard time grasping how someone can hurt anyone let alone a child!
You need to read more, especially crime or true crime. Everyone has a slightly different motive but we can group their motives better and better as we continue to research extreme criminals. Sometimes, it's simply psychopathy.
@@messrsandersonco5985 the bizarrest thing about it is that no one could have known he'd be at that place, stranded by the bus service. It had to have been a crime of opportunity; some perp driving by saw him and circled back to stalk him. That is so crazy to me. I don't think two abductors could have conspired to be there at that moment.
imagine winning the lotto just to have a family member butchered afterwards. how lucky and unlucky could you get...
I can honestly say, hand on heart this or these programmes are my absolute favourite documentaries out there. I think I attempted to watch every single one that I could lay my hands on...years ago when I was new to computers and TH-cam....They're STILL THE BEST, out there! Well done to all involved.
The investigation into the kidnapping was superb. Considering it occurred during the very early days of forensic science it was truly groundbreaking.
Two things struck me: that it was UNTHINKABLE at the time for a child to be kidnapped, and even hardened criminals were outraged.
Secondly, the sheer number of policemen assigned to the initial search, and the TOTAL dedication of detectives and civic leaders.
Another thought concerns the dateline of the crime, and the nationality of the perpetrator. He clearly moved from Hungary, a communist state, the norms and standards of which were antagonistic to those of Australia.
My heart goes out to Denise Morecombe and her family. The pain in her eyes was indescribably sad; I was very affected by this tragedy. I hope so much that they got some closure.
This is one of the many reasons why a persons info should not be made public if they win the lottery.
I don't understand why the boy wasnt picked up at his home instead of walking to catch his ride block away!
My sisters are twins and I know they take it hard when any twin is hurt or harmed. Their bond is so close, losing each other is the hardest. And oh, that song is lovely.
Daniel's story is so sad, cause so many thingswent wrong. Weather, bus broke, other bus didnt pick him up, etc
Great To Hear Of Great Police Investigation,So Many Involved. Botanists, Dogs,Soil Etc.Well Done To The Old Dedicated
Coppers. what skills these detectives showed in solving this case. This was 40 years before DNA but the quality of their work shone through. It makes me happy to see all the older police force still alive and enjoying their lives after working to help people. I
Borrowed These Last Statement From John Allen As I Think That Says It All.
Who needs DNA when you have cops like that
The bloody 1st driver refused to stop. what does he takes the bus for ? his private car?
Probably full, hence the second buss.
its sad what that man did to daniel. he had previous criminal involvement with children , & wasnt handled properly, he was allowed to be released, & the result was daniels eath.
Always the same storie
What a sad story. Excellent documentary.
That interview with Daniel Morcome's twin has to be one of the most insensitive and cringeworthy interviews I've ever seen. Yuk yuk yuk, but a typical example of Australia's commercial tv standards.
Right?? They were leading him to say what they wanted. Gross. Our American media is just as bad.
All countries media is same. India media is more pathetic , Australia and America is better comparatively😒😒
I had to fast-forward the interview, I couldn't watch it
Absolute professionell work. In those days, but I guess even nowadays sometimes, police does not work so accurate and detailled. That deserves full respect.
What is so incredibly sad is that the Police dedicated their hearts and souls to the investigation, the nation was outraged and even the criminals took part in the search for the boy because someone would DARE to take a child. The sad part is that today children are kidnapped, murdered, abused and bought & sold on the internet and no one even flinches, but just says oh, shame, there’s another one.
Wow Respect to those detectives...sad for that beautiful boy and sorry for this family..very sad.
The sketch of the man talking to Daniel Morcombe is eerily like the bloke convicted of his abduction and murder.
I've been watching a few of these Australian crime stories and some of them are the worst crimes I've ever heard about. Not this one but a few others are horrendous.
What bearing has the crime on the Olympic team or vice versa?
The media should be forbidden to post anything that is of sensative material from police.
The officers, should have kept such things private
It is utterly sickening that they do such things.
This case was the reason the laws were changed so that the media had to have consent to publicise lottery-winners, but it was still years before it became the default on tickets to not give consent!
Even school children were involved in the search.....what if they had found a battered body! How traumatic!
Yeah, I thought that too: I don't think it would happen these days because of the danger of searchers contaminating a crime scene
I hope the bus driver who passed him feels terrible.
Who was helping him.... the wife?? ( Graeme Thorne case) Good police work. Very sad story.
Who else?
There is no proof his wife was involved. Wouldn't be the first (or last) time, a wife can't see her husband capable of doing evil. I see no reason in this case, to suggest he didn't act alone. Just glad he was caught.
It would be far easier to get the child into the car if he was approached by a woman rather than a large man with a foreign accent-my money's on the wife.
I was fine watching this sort of, but when that candle went out, I lost it. So sorry for that family. May you find comfort somehow.
thinking he killed the boy just because he was not in control of the situation is nauseating ... at that moment he was not thinking about ransom ... he had a lot of other options but this is what he chose ... one is troubled to the depths of the soul!
Maybe bad minded as well..
Great work by everyone involved
This is a very well put crime doc, without the extensive pretentious and awkward re-enactments of the events, and shallow dramatic commentaries (so typical for the American crime docs). I appreciate the matter-of-fact nature of it, even though it may be graphic bringing me to tears.
These detectives were ahead of their time.
I love hearing about solved cases. Here in South Africa there are very few of these and depending on who you are, even if you are guilty, the consequences are varied.
So sad but so true
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Re: Identifying the killer…I’ve only seen it a few times-this older tradition of a witness going before a lineup of potential suspects and placing a hand on the shoulder of the suspected killer. I always thought that’d be kind of terrifying.
What a great investigator's job! What the men investigators: articulating, knowledgable, dressed properly-my respect.
This is why people who win lottery in the UK a vast many of them no publicity thank you poor boy RIP
It's like that now in Australia now too. You can remain anonymous.
I live in Florida and you cant claim our lottery anonymously. You dont have to do any press about it or be on camera but your name is public record. Pretty dangerous, especially in this psychotic state. 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
@@DeniseBobese just change your name after you win? lol
@@DeniseBobese True. However, you can hire an attorney to set up a blind trust. You can have an anonymous person accept the winnings in the name of the blind trust and the winner remains private.
@@lapetite717 I think thats only true in certain states though.
I just watched another documentary about a more recent investigation that involved the analysis of botany. I'm kind of surprised they went that far here. I wish that could be said about others
Andrea Rae .. Back then they had only this, their first kidnapping for ransom ending in murder, they said, to investigate. They could put every resource they had or could get, to work on solving it. Nowadays crime investigations are understaffed and overworked with a fraction of resources available to commit to still unsolved crimes and the hundreds of new ones being committed. Time and protection and supplying justice costs more than we seem to want to pay as a society nowadays. Sad, really sad.
His wife knew about the kidnapping, as the whole family were going to move to London, on the ransom money, in the end they fled with no money... Perhaps he killed Graeme because he wouldn't stop screaming, which then buggered up his plans...
arianefr78 These sadistic demons are very good at hiding their true natures. His wife and family were the perfect cover for him. He would have chosen her because she was clueless
Omg they stuffed the dog and put it in the exibit ? Poor dog what did he do besides having an evil owner?
The dog died first
It was dead. Who's really bothered what happens to their body after they're dead, they've left it.
I got really uncomfortable watching the reporter interviewing Daniel's brothers, especially his twin Bradley. I felt it such an intrusion into his emotions & was disgusted with pumping him for comments about his parents emotional state. It's was pure sensationalism & wouldn't have helped generate leads.
Case file podcast cover this Daniel abduction the story of how they catch him is incredible they play the actual audio recording of the undercover sting operation
I didn't know that a story like this surrounded the opera house
If everybody was Steve Liebmann, the world would be paradise.
Monsters. everyone!! Made a boys death a TV show and to sell papers! This world is disgusting. Touch my kids there will be none of this for you. Just pain and death
You've got to find them first.thats where the TV show comes in.
Animal. Monster i am glad he is dead. That poor baby. The police was amazing. A great team great work
I remember this heartache after heartache I never let my children out of my sight yet you gotta remember when I was young in that time we could run every were . Things have changed 😫😫😫
First class film and a great example of how to make a calm, forensic, detailed documentary. I hope you're watching Paula Zahn. Classic detective work from as long ago as that is marvellous to hear about. If only DNA was available back then.
jeesh, I can't get the volume loud enough for the detective who whispers....getting the earbuds..
Thanks for sharing 😉
My prayers are with Daniels family!!!
I like the song about daniel... So touching
i feel sorry for the parents .. very sorry
"I'm Steve Liebmann... but you can call me *BOSS.*"
Don't let your children go alone in buses or subways. Not let them go alone to the restaurant's bathroom. There are many bad guys out there. Better prevent than lose a child.
Why do they have to kill them bless evil rats .the Daniel story the bus driver wants jailing for driving by a child .
If that boy is killed it is the media’s fault! WTF how is writing a story more impt than a child’s life? That obv scared the kidnapper off & caused the whole thing to go to hell. JFc
I haven’t finished watching but I’m so upset by that realization I had to commenr
The boy was murdered within 30min of the kidnapping. But i absolutely agree with you.. so upsetting that media dont have moral priorites straight.. let the boy be found and then write all you want
Yeah when its supposedly a kidnapping I don't think the media should report it till he's found.
there is the other side of information goes out and the child is found by public. amber alert heard of that think about it. now we have that all over the world. kids are found right away now a days. it would not of help him as he was killed right way. auzzy's just got it not that long ago.
The Legend of FORENSICS which now Helps billions of victims and proving the person is innocents or not... I salutes the Detectives unmeasurable efforts to solve this crime.
This is when I can't stand reporters. When they are asked to not leak any knowledge of a kidnapping. When they do this I believe they have no regard for human life, they know it can put the person who is kidnapped in danger! They are only thinking of a big story not the life who was taking. Hmm...seem no different than the kidnappers. Now, when they are asked to get a story out to the media than fine. But thats only the way a reporter is not help responsible for the harm on the person kidnapped.
Some person or persons enabled them to put them in danger in the first place they all have blood on their hands I say.
Now a days (2020) you can't let your kids go anywhere alone. Too many sick people running around.
B.s.
Depends on country
It must be awful for Daniels family, to not know where he is. I hope they get the closure they so desperately need. Someone out there knows what happened to him!! let his poor parents know
His killer has been in jail for years. He's getting abused by other inmates, very deserved.
Weird how they never even speculate or even seem curious about WHY Greame was killed. If the abductor wanted a ransom then why immediately kill the boy? Especially strange considering all the mentioned calls from awful opportunists that were dismissed by the police because they couldn't answer questions about the boys life.
Also both segments of the programme are started with the suggestion of "many similarities between the cases", and then that's never mentioned again. That's odd, especially since the expected 'similarity' suggested by the title ("ransom") only applies to the first case. Frustrating programme.
I think he just tried to knock the boy out, to stun him...but he smashed an 8 yr old on the head! He had to forget any ransom after hurting the poor boy beyond repair 😥 so he just got rid of the body and went on with his life...disgusting man
That doorbell at 13:05 is hilarious.
Daniel's remains found in 2011 and his killer was convicted. Won't say more in case you want to Google it yourself
So sad :( www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/years-later-the-life-and-death-of-daniel-morcombe/news-story/9f19aadc0645ea907316d2816e9b752d
@@hiko73 Thank you for providing a link.
I thought i was loosing the plot for a while there, because i remember watching this story some time ago and knew it was solved and that didn't happen this time round. It was the pedo. standing behind him under the bridge at the bus stop. I am a bus driver in Ireland, we never leave a kid behind even if they have no ticket or money, well, at least that is our policy. When dealing with children or old people, i always try to think, what they were mine.
@@pauljohndoyle Im in London ...one day the driver of red bus didnt take the boy , I was so angry. 11y old, lost his ticket.
Glad to see Daniels killer was caught and even joyful to know he has been terrorized burned and beaten in jail. He got life with possible parole after 20 years even tho he’s been jailed at least 3 times before for doing harm to children. Inmates hate these types so he’ll suffer for sure.
Horrific. Poor Daniel!!
Both such heartbreaking stories, what gives someone the right to take a life of an innocent child absolutely disgusting they should be tourtured .
There should be a CCTV on every bus stop. It's just horrible to know that he has been taken on a busy street. It's heartbreaking for the parents.
Is there any update on him?
That song got me right in the heart
When the police and detectives didn't depend on technology to do their work
You need technology in order to make things better, there where a lot of unsolved murders because of lack of tech