You should shoot 6.5 then because I've never had groups like that. With my gen1, im deciding on which 6.5 gen 2 I'm getting, rhats why I'm watching these vids
I've got a christensen arms ridgeline in 300wsm. I couldn't get the rifle to group for crap with the break on. I decided to remove the break. In doing so, the rifle immediately started grouping under 1/2 inch 5 shot groups. So I definitely feel you are correct by removing the break before junking the rifle.
I’ve not seen the new Ruger, American post groups like the old Ruger American so far. I’ve also read that fluting sometimes hinders accuracy but I don’t know if that’s true or not
Liked your comment on muzzle brakes. However you did not do this rifle justice. I have found that Rugers do not like 180 Grain but do well with 150 or 165. You did not try the lighter wts. If u did your opinion wwould be different.
Gen 1 was NOT button rifled, Ruger is as far as I know COMPLETLY cold hammer forged for quite a while now I would NOT send a Ruger in for warranty work with an aftermarket trigger, or any aftermarket parts for that matter, they probably will not come back to you!
I just bought the Ranch version in 5.56 and can't wait to get it out to distance. Took it to indoor range with cheap red dot mounted to zero. Crappy rest, Freedom Munitions crap 55gr and I was still grouping about .25 inches.
Stop using the led sled to shoot groups ! It prevents the rifle from recoiling naturally !! Especially for higher recoiling rounds !!! If they are so wonderful for accurate shooting, Then Why don’t long range target shooters use them !! The exact number of those folks that use led sled is Zero !!
@user-tb8qq7tj2o hey User, I don't own a led sled. In the video you will see a rifle supported by a front adjustable rest (the rock) and a rear support. Thanks for watching!
Sorry must have been a different video !! I sure hope my predator shoots good !! Just got a gen 2 predator in 6 mm ARC !! I have not mounted the scope yet, an Athlon argo 6x25x50 which I am pretty excited about !! For clarity and tracking they typically rate very well just like other Ruger gen 2 rifles ??? I got that unit because I just want to learn how to shoot past 400 yards, not to compete or anything like that !! For hunting I have a gen 1 in 308 that is very accurate especially for hunting !!
Not a good review because you did not shoot a variety of bullet weights, I'm surprised you missed this. I have at least 20 different hunting rifles in various makes and models. Some prefer heavy weight bullets, some like lighter bullets. Please redo review with lighter weight bullets.
Doesn't even know what he is reviewing and downgrading it. That's a Gen 2 standard. made it to 8 minutes of his ignorance and uneducated review that is far from Epik
your a real hero if you made it that far, I salute you. lol in truth I didnt even think twice i have the gen1 predator and this one. this Gen2 technically would be a predator (like the gen1) if they hadn't fluted the barrel. there is no other distinction. but yeah you guys are right! lol
Here’s a gunsmith hack for you. Screw the trigger in almost as tight as it will allow you to go for the heaviest trigger pull then let it sit for a day or two and then come back and see what it will just out to.
@EpikArms Yeah I believe you're right. With the threaded barrels and AI mags being across the line, not sure what the big difference will be. Just thought I'd let you know!
@@EpikArms the predator model has a 22 inch barrel compared to the 20 inch standard, and the 18 inch ranch. I'm sure your groups would be much better with the predator, and lighter bullets with the .308
Did you think to try any 150g bullets? I'm curious if it lights the lighter grain stuff. I have owned several 308 rifles and crazy enough some love 150 and hate 165-180 and some hate 150 and love 165-180. Crazy but true.
I've read that Bergara's have had accuracy issues due to some of the stock paint covering the bedding blocks. I wonder if the paint at 12:51 could be causing some of the disparity in group size.
Yeah, I had Bergara that wouldn't shoot. I removed the paint and it made no difference. I sent it to Bergara twice to get it fixed and they never did get it to shoot. The second time they sent it back with rust all over the bolt and some in the barrel. At that point I had had enough and just sold it.
Hey I don’t want to burst your bubble, but that’s the Ruger American gen II standard. The predator isn’t out yet. Just the standard and the ranch models. Predator will likely be a green splatter stock. I think they’ll probably pair that with a black cerakote job, but idk. If they went all green it would be pretty sick.
Pretty sure there is only 2 models for the Gen2. They decreased the barrel length by 2" from 22" down to 20" as well on all standard calibers released. The stock looks like garbage as well, in my opinion.
I just bought a Gen 2 predator in 6 mm ARC, last week !! Have not shot it yet or mounted the scope but if it shoots like my gen 1 standard in 308, I’ll be happy !!
Thanks for the review! You should try to pick varying weights next time, especially for 308. 150gr, 130, 110, even 190. I bet you'd find better groups if most of your rounds weren't so similar.
How many factory rifles shoot consistently under an inch at 100y with factory ammo. My personal experience has showed me the opposite to you results. The .308 win has been always more accurate on average than any of the .264 cal rivals, 260 rem, 6.5 cr and so on. The closer a cartridge approaches the point of being overbore, the more difficult they are to be made accurate. So, does this test of this .308, conclude the rifle is not accurate or that factory ammo on average can't do better than 2 moa, is really the question.
First off 308 VS 6.5 Creedmoor 308 barrel can last up to 8,000 rounds Creedmoor 2,000-3,000 Big game 308 heaver bullets. Drop in a trigger spring upgrade. I know pain it's a pain to remove the trigger latch. do the trigger spring and blue lock tight action screws at 50 inch pounds then test again. I would buy a magpul stock for more feathers and end the mag release for good. There are no box stores rifle that don't need upgrades. I did this to my ranch rifle 5.56 but used a timney trigger. 75 grain hornady steel match sub one MOA five shot groups.
I have the Gen2 in 7mm08 and it shoots the factory ammo i've tried under an inch with a 3-9x40 at 100 yards. It does not feed smoothly and the trigger sucks but it does shoot well
I picked up a 2018 built Ruger American 300 AAC Ranch secondhand under 1/2 the cost of the Gen 2 goes for in Australia. Very happy with it and no secretly wishing I held out and got the new model. Only thing I wish it has the rust resistant coating, can always get that done if I want later.
Wow, what a bummer. Gen 1’s we’re noted for their awesome accuracy, their “meh” trigger, and their CRAPPY stock. Now they have an awesome stock, still a “meh” trigger, and CRAPPY accuracy. So disappointing, really was hoping to get one in 6.5CM since the stocks are rad now, but with accuracy an issue, I’m going to look elsewhere.
Thanks for the review, I almost bought one yesterday, Bass Pro Shops-Katy I like the review you did on the savage 110 tactical 6.5 creedmoor, which I might pull the trigger on my first long rifle! Thanks for sharing
seems like you're wanting to give lots of misinformation.. my first question to be did you clean the thing first clean it between groups. how about even how hot did you get to barrel
@@EpikArms well first the stock is significantly different then the Gen 1, some models come with AI magazines others with are magazines and some was still at The rotary magazines. you're a particular model did not give the best accuracy it could. understand you're reporting on the accuracy of one rifle but they are widely known to shoot very good groups especially for the dollar. the zipper sound means absolutely nothing.. as for the trigger (I'll be careful how I say this) are very easily said at 2 and 1/4 lb by somebody knowledgeable... I've got several Americans and I've never experienced a trigger in any of them as bad as you did that particular rifle.. I'm thinking you just got a lemon from the get-go. your point about having to remove the magazine latch to remove the stock is absolutely legitimate my book that is the worst feature. that feature is only true with the AI magazines.. not trying to hack on you too much just our experiences with these are so much different I just thought I would make a few comments.. oh and by the way you reviewed a standard model not a predator
@@EpikArms Im with you, but barrel length is shorter in Standard Gen II - 20" vs 22" in Gen I and Gen II Predator has better ammo Velocity numbers. By the way, Im talking about 6.5 Greeds ammo.
This seems to be completely opposite of most reviews I’ve seen. Ruger seems to do fantastic especially considering it’s a budget option. All rifles love and hate certain ammo so that’s not a big deal especially since the grains were all similar. I’ve heard this is like a budget tikka but the barrel doesn’t rust as easily. Other than that not a huge difference. Action isn’t as smooth until you put like 75 rounds through it and clean it thoroughly.
How long did it take to test 10 different loads? Was it allowed to cool between load changes. Was it cleaned between load changes so that each load would have the same starting point as far as having a clean barrel? The muzzle break looked really dirty is why I was asking. These are all things that could affect the accuracy that have nothing to do with the actual rifle. All of the other reviews I have seen show it to be fairly accurate, but they were different calibers. Thanks in advance.
Hi Justin, all my rifle tests are done exaclty the same, no cleaning between ammo (and this reflects well with many other rifles) , from my experience and from information from the pros this has no impact on accuracy (rimfire is a different story) Also the barrel is let to cool down between each different ammo. It takes forever at the range, but that just how it is
Good review! Generally speaking, does this overall quality ranking (in decreasing order) seem accurate to you: Savage 110, Ruger American Gen. 2, Savage Axis 2? Specifically, would you place the Savage 110 Tactical above the Ruger Gen. 2 (in .308)?
Most 308win rifles do much better with the 150-168gr projectiles. Also Rugers typically require a bit of a barrel break in, in my experiences with the Gen1 standard and predator models. After that and handloading I see groups below 1/2moa. Action and barrel in the gen2 look nice, the rest look like garbage, would put it in an Oryx or MDT Field Stock.
Not a fan of the muzzle break. I'm throwing 30-06 at elk and deer. Don't really care about muzzle climb but I do care about the massive shockwave and sound I know you can take it off but still. Barrels kinda whack as well and so is the stock. It's just really ugly all around.
I have one in .243. I like it so far under 1” at 100 yards. I don’t know why they call it 20” barrel because I would say it’s actually 18.75”. I really don’t think the muzzle brake should be counted in barrel length.. Stupid..
Almost all rifles will have a ammo they prefer that was a bit bigger spread then i would like to see as well for that many diffeerent ammo types. The ruger Americans have always been cold hammer forged. and Ruger cold hammer forges almost all of their rifle barrles even including the Ruger 10/22.
What people fail to understand, this is a sample size of one. I have seen, for the most part, this being a “average” one MOA rifle. You will get shots between 3/4 and 1-1/4 for three shot groups. That is still really good for a budget rifle. I personally have taken my time and got one group that was .302”. I consistently get groups that are .9 and .8. That was with federal gold medal match 168 grain the 175s shot a little better but I like the 168 for my other rifles and my friends who help reload. You may have harmonic issues with the stock, a picky rifle, or poor quality control. I would be interested to know what would happen if you took the rifle apart and retorqued it down. My stock had even gap between each side of the barrel. Most of them do not, and this can cause accuracy issues. People need to stop getting offended by honest reviews even if someone accidentally says the wrong thing. People are right, it is not the predator model. It is the new standard model. I actually find it quite incredible that your Mossberg patriot is averaging under 2 inches. Most reviews I have seen are far worse. This is a point in case of this video. Most videos I have seen with the Ruger Gen two is far more accurate than yours. As for the barrel length issue, if you measure a barrel using the approved method of breach face to muzzle, it is 21 inches. Subtract the 1 inch of muzzle break and you get 20 inches. I highly encourage you to research the nomenclature of what you’re talking about. People will easily discredit what you’re talking about if you don’t sound like you know what you’re talking about. I have been there, trust me lol. All things considered, you shouldn’t have to, but I would do some things to ensure that the actual barrel is the issue before claiming the accuracy deficiencies you were getting. Maybe contact Ruger and explain that to them and see what they have to say. I have contacted Ruger for several things over the years and find their customer service to be quite satisfactory.
Do you think a 308 benefits with a longer barrel? As im looking into this rifle chambered in 308 or the turqa in 308 with a 24 inch barrel. What would you think is a better rifle.
I have 2 gen 1's waiting for the 30-06 to come out. will trade off my gen 1 06. Even though I have zero complaints on the rotary clips of old Both of mine have M*CARBO trigger spring. down under 2lbs
Love all your videos. Any chance you could review the tikka t3x super varmint? I'm looking at one in 6.5 creedmoor and if I'm going to pay $1,500 for one here in the USA it needs to be top notch..thanks.
Yours isn't the first review where the accuracy of these gen 2 rifles are called into question. Im just happy I didn't run out and buy one the first chance I got. I decided to wait and see what kind of performance the gen 2 would produce. So far I haven't been happy with what I have seen.
Yo can you do another Remington 700 sps video? but this time compare it with a lot more guns than the last time, possibly this new Ruger Gen 2 that you've shown here, and tikka T3x as well.
Hi , just to clarify i’m not calling into question your accuracy as i know you can shoot well . However , surely you can’t be satisfied with a rifle that shoots nearly 3 inch groups at 100 yards ? If i was playing devils advocate i would say some air rifles are more accurate than that . All the best 👍
Well 3" was its worst. 0.6" was its best for a 4 shot group. Its still not very good. Now on the other hand Vernon (from ultimate arms just finished his review) and his has an average of 1" for all ammo. So there's some variance either from one caliber to another of from one gun to another
Moa is a unit of measure for angles. But simply put 1 moa at 100 yards or meters is about 1" and that's the expectation for rifles to be able to be considered accurate
It's verbiage for those who think every HUNTING RIFLE, should split the hairs on a fleas As$ at a hundred yards...no one who is hunting in real life is going to care if it's a spec off at 100 yards.. Does it put the rounds in a 5- 8 inch area?(vital areas for most deer, elk.. Everyone wants to be a know it all critic when most of that adjustment isn't necessary for basic deer, elk ,bear hunting..
That will never shoot accurately, the rifling is supposed to be on the inside of the barrel not the outside.
you are right, big mistake on Ruger's part
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Jesus christ lmao😂😅
You clearly don't know what your talking about,that rifle is for below the equator.
The rifling is on the inside. Were you just kidding. I hope 😂
My 308 shoots 3/4” with 150’s. If I put a 165 in it, it shoots 1.5. Anything heavier, will open up to 3.5” groups.
You should shoot 6.5 then because I've never had groups like that. With my gen1, im deciding on which 6.5 gen 2 I'm getting, rhats why I'm watching these vids
Small correction to the description: the original gen 1s also had cold hammer forged barrels, not button rifled
*Nice job!!!*
After the comment about muzzle brakes in the video did you try it without the brake. Might help.
I've got a christensen arms ridgeline in 300wsm. I couldn't get the rifle to group for crap with the break on. I decided to remove the break. In doing so, the rifle immediately started grouping under 1/2 inch 5 shot groups. So I definitely feel you are correct by removing the break before junking the rifle.
nope, kept it in its factory configuration.
I’ve not seen the new Ruger, American post groups like the old Ruger American so far. I’ve also read that fluting sometimes hinders accuracy but I don’t know if that’s true or not
Liked your comment on muzzle brakes. However you did not do this rifle justice. I have found that Rugers do not like 180
Grain but do well with 150 or 165. You did not try the lighter wts. If u did your opinion wwould be different.
Gen 1 was NOT button rifled, Ruger is as far as I know COMPLETLY cold hammer forged for quite a while now
I would NOT send a Ruger in for warranty work with an aftermarket trigger, or any aftermarket parts for that matter, they probably will not come back to you!
All those bullets are to heavy for the Ruger
Thats not the predator model. That's the standard. Predator has the green stock and tan barrel.
not sure if its the rifle you have but. the one i own, i shoot under 1in groups on most ammo i have
I just bought the Ranch version in 5.56 and can't wait to get it out to distance. Took it to indoor range with cheap red dot mounted to zero. Crappy rest, Freedom Munitions crap 55gr and I was still grouping about .25 inches.
Stop using the led sled to shoot groups ! It prevents the rifle from recoiling naturally !! Especially for higher recoiling rounds !!! If they are so wonderful for accurate shooting, Then Why don’t long range target shooters use them !! The exact number of those folks that use led sled is Zero !!
@user-tb8qq7tj2o hey User, I don't own a led sled. In the video you will see a rifle supported by a front adjustable rest (the rock) and a rear support. Thanks for watching!
Sorry must have been a different video !! I sure hope my predator shoots good !! Just got a gen 2 predator in 6 mm ARC !! I have not mounted the scope yet, an Athlon argo 6x25x50 which I am pretty excited about !! For clarity and tracking they typically rate very well just like other Ruger gen 2 rifles ??? I got that unit because I just want to learn how to shoot past 400 yards, not to compete or anything like that !! For hunting I have a gen 1 in 308 that is very accurate especially for hunting !!
Not a good review because you did not shoot a variety of bullet weights, I'm surprised you missed this. I have at least 20 different hunting rifles in various makes and models. Some prefer heavy weight bullets, some like lighter bullets. Please redo review with lighter weight bullets.
except that's not the predator... lol cya
6.5 is weak !! Not a good medium game round. 308 is also weak.
for eastern shooters both are just fine
Doesn't even know what he is reviewing and downgrading it. That's a Gen 2 standard. made it to 8 minutes of his ignorance and uneducated review that is far from Epik
your a real hero if you made it that far, I salute you. lol in truth I didnt even think twice i have the gen1 predator and this one. this Gen2 technically would be a predator (like the gen1) if they hadn't fluted the barrel. there is no other distinction. but yeah you guys are right! lol
Here’s a gunsmith hack for you. Screw the trigger in almost as tight as it will allow you to go for the heaviest trigger pull then let it sit for a day or two and then come back and see what it will just out to.
Thats the Standard model. The new Predator isnt released yet and has a green stock and bronze cerakote on action/barrel.
This model was released about 4 weeks ago.
ahhhh, your right. I assumed as everythign was basically the same with a medium contour/ ai mags the stock ect.
@EpikArms Yeah I believe you're right. With the threaded barrels and AI mags being across the line, not sure what the big difference will be. Just thought I'd let you know!
@@wyattarie8905 Possibly some Predator models with longer barrel options.
@@EpikArms the predator model has a 22 inch barrel compared to the 20 inch standard, and the 18 inch ranch. I'm sure your groups would be much better with the predator, and lighter bullets with the .308
Did you think to try any 150g bullets? I'm curious if it lights the lighter grain stuff. I have owned several 308 rifles and crazy enough some love 150 and hate 165-180 and some hate 150 and love 165-180. Crazy but true.
Especially in a 20 inch barrel where velocity will be lost. I would think the 150grn loads would be better.
I’ve had 0 issues shooting sub 1 inch. And dropped 2 hogs the other day 1 at 230 yards and 1 at 420 yards. Gun shoots fine
Remington core lock dose very good Ruger american Gen 2
I like the new look of the upgraded stock and the fluted barrel etc. Too bad it patterns like a shotgun.
I've read that Bergara's have had accuracy issues due to some of the stock paint covering the bedding blocks. I wonder if the paint at 12:51 could be causing some of the disparity in group size.
Yeah, I had Bergara that wouldn't shoot. I removed the paint and it made no difference. I sent it to Bergara twice to get it fixed and they never did get it to shoot. The second time they sent it back with rust all over the bolt and some in the barrel. At that point I had had enough and just sold it.
The Ruger Americans (gen 1 and 2) like Remington Core Lok. At least the 7mm-08 and 308 do.
And my Mossberg Patriot is poop compared to the American.
No, the GEN one was a cold hammer forged as well barrel. I don’t know if it started that way.
Ruger has been hammer forging ALL of their rifle barrels since 1990.
Hey I don’t want to burst your bubble, but that’s the Ruger American gen II standard. The predator isn’t out yet. Just the standard and the ranch models. Predator will likely be a green splatter stock. I think they’ll probably pair that with a black cerakote job, but idk. If they went all green it would be pretty sick.
your right thanks for pointing that out!
Pretty sure there is only 2 models for the Gen2. They decreased the barrel length by 2" from 22" down to 20" as well on all standard calibers released. The stock looks like garbage as well, in my opinion.
@@AttackorAdapt Predator and maybe a go wild version likely to be out in the future.
I just bought a Gen 2 predator in 6 mm ARC, last week !! Have not shot it yet or mounted the scope but if it shoots like my gen 1 standard in 308, I’ll be happy !!
@@scotthyde-t9w It's probably gonna going to be a tack driver.
It's a 2moa rifle?? That is a shame, it looks very nice. But a Bolt action not being more accurate than nice ARs is damning. F
Thanks for the review! You should try to pick varying weights next time, especially for 308. 150gr, 130, 110, even 190. I bet you'd find better groups if most of your rounds weren't so similar.
How many factory rifles shoot consistently under an inch at 100y with factory ammo. My personal experience has showed me the opposite to you results. The .308 win has been always more accurate on average than any of the .264 cal rivals, 260 rem, 6.5 cr and so on. The closer a cartridge approaches the point of being overbore, the more difficult they are to be made accurate. So, does this test of this .308, conclude the rifle is not accurate or that factory ammo on average can't do better than 2 moa, is really the question.
First off 308 VS 6.5 Creedmoor 308 barrel can last up to 8,000 rounds Creedmoor 2,000-3,000 Big game 308 heaver bullets. Drop in a trigger spring upgrade. I know pain it's a pain to remove the trigger latch. do the trigger spring and blue lock tight action screws at 50 inch pounds then test again. I would buy a magpul stock for more feathers and end the mag release for good. There are no box stores rifle that don't need upgrades. I did this to my ranch rifle 5.56 but used a timney trigger. 75 grain hornady steel match sub one MOA five shot groups.
Hornady!!! you hear that, give this man some ammos.
I have the Gen2 in 7mm08 and it shoots the factory ammo i've tried under an inch with a 3-9x40 at 100 yards. It does not feed smoothly and the trigger sucks but it does shoot well
I picked up a 2018 built Ruger American 300 AAC Ranch secondhand under 1/2 the cost of the Gen 2 goes for in Australia. Very happy with it and no secretly wishing I held out and got the new model.
Only thing I wish it has the rust resistant coating, can always get that done if I want later.
That’s not the predator
That’s the standard
Great show and thanks for the info 👍👍👍👍👍😁💯
Wow, what a bummer. Gen 1’s we’re noted for their awesome accuracy, their “meh” trigger, and their CRAPPY stock. Now they have an awesome stock, still a “meh” trigger, and CRAPPY accuracy. So disappointing, really was hoping to get one in 6.5CM since the stocks are rad now, but with accuracy an issue, I’m going to look elsewhere.
Thanks for the review, I almost bought one yesterday, Bass Pro Shops-Katy
I like the review you did on the savage 110 tactical 6.5 creedmoor, which I might pull the trigger on my first long rifle!
Thanks for sharing
What did you wind up getting?
seems like you're wanting to give lots of misinformation..
my first question to be did you clean the thing first clean it between groups. how about even how hot did you get to barrel
@larryholton9560 hey Larry, what misinformation?
@@EpikArms well first the stock is significantly different then the Gen 1, some models come with AI magazines others with are magazines and some was still at The rotary magazines. you're a particular model did not give the best accuracy it could. understand you're reporting on the accuracy of one rifle but they are widely known to shoot very good groups especially for the dollar. the zipper sound means absolutely nothing..
as for the trigger (I'll be careful how I say this) are very easily said at 2 and 1/4 lb by somebody knowledgeable... I've got several Americans and I've never experienced a trigger in any of them as bad as you did that particular rifle.. I'm thinking you just got a lemon from the get-go.
your point about having to remove the magazine latch to remove the stock is absolutely legitimate my book that is the worst feature. that feature is only true with the AI magazines..
not trying to hack on you too much just our experiences with these are so much different I just thought I would make a few comments..
oh and by the way you reviewed a standard model not a predator
can you review the new Remington rifles in the near future. Thnx a lot
@dantedimaano9556 hey Dante, I've got a review on the post bancktupsy rem700 on the channel. It's pretty good for accuracy
Where did you find a gen 2 in Canada I’ve been looking for a month and can’t find anyone with stock!
This one was from SfRC, they got 2 in and myself and Ultimate arms picked one up each
Please do savage impulse in 6.5 creed moor.
I'm on it!
Try the 7mm08 😊
Good review, thanks! Just to clarify, why would you call this gun a Predator Gen II, when this Standard Gen II model?
While I didn't read the box. This has every feature the predator gen1 has. The question is almost in what way is it not a predator?
@@EpikArms Im with you, but barrel length is shorter in Standard Gen II - 20" vs 22" in Gen I and Gen II Predator has better ammo Velocity numbers. By the way, Im talking about 6.5 Greeds ammo.
The predators have golden colored ceracote and a 22 inch barrel with the radial muzzle break, 20 without !!
This seems to be completely opposite of most reviews I’ve seen. Ruger seems to do fantastic especially considering it’s a budget option.
All rifles love and hate certain ammo so that’s not a big deal especially since the grains were all similar.
I’ve heard this is like a budget tikka but the barrel doesn’t rust as easily. Other than that not a huge difference. Action isn’t as smooth until you put like 75 rounds through it and clean it thoroughly.
just had to throw me under the bus again i see
you know what needs to be done
How long did it take to test 10 different loads? Was it allowed to cool between load changes. Was it cleaned between load changes so that each load would have the same starting point as far as having a clean barrel? The muzzle break looked really dirty is why I was asking. These are all things that could affect the accuracy that have nothing to do with the actual rifle. All of the other reviews I have seen show it to be fairly accurate, but they were different calibers. Thanks in advance.
Hi Justin, all my rifle tests are done exaclty the same, no cleaning between ammo (and this reflects well with many other rifles) , from my experience and from information from the pros this has no impact on accuracy (rimfire is a different story)
Also the barrel is let to cool down between each different ammo. It takes forever at the range, but that just how it is
@@EpikArms Thanks for the info. 👍
140 gr rem c.l . 7mm 08
Like with any rifle, you have to match the ammo to the specific rifle. Some ammo, a rifle will hate, others it will love. Just the way it goes.
Good review! Generally speaking, does this overall quality ranking (in decreasing order) seem accurate to you: Savage 110, Ruger American Gen. 2, Savage Axis 2? Specifically, would you place the Savage 110 Tactical above the Ruger Gen. 2 (in .308)?
Most 308win rifles do much better with the 150-168gr projectiles. Also Rugers typically require a bit of a barrel break in, in my experiences with the Gen1 standard and predator models. After that and handloading I see groups below 1/2moa.
Action and barrel in the gen2 look nice, the rest look like garbage, would put it in an Oryx or MDT Field Stock.
Not a fan of the muzzle break. I'm throwing 30-06 at elk and deer. Don't really care about muzzle climb but I do care about the massive shockwave and sound I know you can take it off but still. Barrels kinda whack as well and so is the stock. It's just really ugly all around.
I have one in .243. I like it so far under 1” at 100 yards. I don’t know why they call it 20” barrel because I would say it’s actually 18.75”. I really don’t think the muzzle brake should be counted in barrel length.. Stupid..
Almost all rifles will have a ammo they prefer that was a bit bigger spread then i would like to see as well for that many diffeerent ammo types. The ruger Americans have always been cold hammer forged. and Ruger cold hammer forges almost all of their rifle barrles even including the Ruger 10/22.
I’d like to see you do the Taurus expedition. Curious how it stacks in your opinion.
What people fail to understand, this is a sample size of one. I have seen, for the most part, this being a “average” one MOA rifle. You will get shots between 3/4 and 1-1/4 for three shot groups. That is still really good for a budget rifle. I personally have taken my time and got one group that was .302”. I consistently get groups that are .9 and .8. That was with federal gold medal match 168 grain the 175s shot a little better but I like the 168 for my other rifles and my friends who help reload. You may have harmonic issues with the stock, a picky rifle, or poor quality control. I would be interested to know what would happen if you took the rifle apart and retorqued it down. My stock had even gap between each side of the barrel. Most of them do not, and this can cause accuracy issues.
People need to stop getting offended by honest reviews even if someone accidentally says the wrong thing. People are right, it is not the predator model. It is the new standard model.
I actually find it quite incredible that your Mossberg patriot is averaging under 2 inches. Most reviews I have seen are far worse. This is a point in case of this video. Most videos I have seen with the Ruger Gen two is far more accurate than yours.
As for the barrel length issue, if you measure a barrel using the approved method of breach face to muzzle, it is 21 inches. Subtract the 1 inch of muzzle break and you get 20 inches.
I highly encourage you to research the nomenclature of what you’re talking about. People will easily discredit what you’re talking about if you don’t sound like you know what you’re talking about. I have been there, trust me lol.
All things considered, you shouldn’t have to, but I would do some things to ensure that the actual barrel is the issue before claiming the accuracy deficiencies you were getting. Maybe contact Ruger and explain that to them and see what they have to say. I have contacted Ruger for several things over the years and find their customer service to be quite satisfactory.
Do you think a 308 benefits with a longer barrel? As im looking into this rifle chambered in 308 or the turqa in 308 with a 24 inch barrel. What would you think is a better rifle.
Take off the break!! Just did and raked in an 8inch group to .5”
Stupid short barrels again. Why why why?????!!! Especially in the slower powder burners
I have 2 gen 1's waiting for the 30-06 to come out. will trade off my gen 1 06. Even though I have zero complaints on the rotary clips of old
Both of mine have M*CARBO trigger spring. down under 2lbs
4:15 This has been my experience as well. For some reason, 6.5 Creedmoor is just more precise than 308.
Love all your videos. Any chance you could review the tikka t3x super varmint? I'm looking at one in 6.5 creedmoor and if I'm going to pay $1,500 for one here in the USA it needs to be top notch..thanks.
Can i ask you what vortex scope ring size youre using on this video?
I like the idea of AR mags but for my first bolt action is the extra money on Savage 110 tactical worth it?
Compared to a Tikka 🤔
Now you have me curious if you shot it without the muzzle brake if it would be more accurate
Ruger just always drops the ball on something. The gen 1 its only good fearure was its accuracy. The gen 2 not so much
big oof, haha
Backfire reviews this in 6.5 and it was way under MOA
Have you ever looked at a browning hells canyon in 6.8 Western
Now their sweet
you still said predator at the end LOL
Yours isn't the first review where the accuracy of these gen 2 rifles are called into question. Im just happy I didn't run out and buy one the first chance I got. I decided to wait and see what kind of performance the gen 2 would produce. So far I haven't been happy with what I have seen.
EVERY on if them I have seen reviewed has shot well. The gun cannot shoot itself. The tester.must have a bit of talent.
@@JamesClark-lw6sw lol
Rugers in 308 tend to like 150 grain bullets.
Wow, its very nice for a budget end Sniper Rifle.
Yo can you do another Remington 700 sps video? but this time compare it with a lot more guns than the last time, possibly this new Ruger Gen 2 that you've shown here, and tikka T3x as well.
Yes sir! That's the plan!
You can move the mag release back to remove the rear action screw. A great improvement.
I’ve been getting 1/2” groups with mine. He may need to learn how to shoot.
Which calibre?
That Sako ammo is quality stuff for hunting.
Nothing to do with bolt guns but could you please do a review of the cru arms temp 556 to compare to the other 180s out there
Hey Robert, I'd love to likely going to happen in the summer
Would you consider this a better rifle, overall, then the Weatherby Vanguard in your opinion
I have no experience with the weatherby vanguard
would the go wild model of the Ruger be better
Hi , just to clarify i’m not calling into question your accuracy as i know you can shoot well . However , surely you can’t be satisfied with a rifle that shoots nearly 3 inch groups at 100 yards ?
If i was playing devils advocate i would say some air rifles are more accurate than that .
All the best 👍
Well 3" was its worst. 0.6" was its best for a 4 shot group.
Its still not very good. Now on the other hand Vernon (from ultimate arms just finished his review) and his has an average of 1" for all ammo. So there's some variance either from one caliber to another of from one gun to another
@@EpikArms Get a BCL Bison with a 16" barrel. They will shoot moa with several bullet weights.
@@EpikArms more between caliber to caliber i would say
So Stevens 334 or this for double the money?
Steven's 334. 100%
Cva cascade or Ruger American gen 2 ?
havent reviewed the Cascade yet! soon!
What kind of target was that? Aiming point? Never seen a dash used to determine accuracy.
A finer point as a target is ideal for the tightest groups
@@EpikArms I understand that. What part of the dash do you aim for? One side,edge?
technically when i shoot it the dash i vertical, fr the video i lay it to the side. i always aim for the top.
I’m new at this and was wondering what MOA means? ✌🏻🇨🇦
Moa is a unit of measure for angles. But simply put 1 moa at 100 yards or meters is about 1" and that's the expectation for rifles to be able to be considered accurate
@@EpikArms interesting thx 🤙🏻🇨🇦
It's verbiage for those who think every HUNTING RIFLE, should split the hairs on a fleas As$ at a hundred yards...no one who is hunting in real life is going to care if it's a spec off at 100 yards..
Does it put the rounds in a 5- 8 inch area?(vital areas for most deer, elk..
Everyone wants to be a know it all critic when most of that adjustment isn't necessary for basic deer, elk ,bear hunting..
PLS Testing Selier Belot SP
Everything about this review and process is ignorant. You are doing a disservice to a very capable rifle and caliber.
Ok ill listen. tell me where I went wrong.
I'd also like to hear what he did wrong?. That you can do better.
@@REDNECKROOTS i just think it's because he cant shoot a 308 LOL!!!!!
Try LUBRICATING THE BOLT BODY and stop whining about bolt smoothness.
its a finer detail that people care about