Unc & Ocho will NEVER agree on the Randy Moss vs. Jerry Rice GOAT WR argument | Nightcap
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- Shannon Sharpe & Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to Randy Moss' recent comments stating he's the greatest wide receiver of all-time over San Francisco 49ers legend Jerry Rice. Unc is firmly in Rice's corner, but Ocho is ready to die on the hill that nobody in history compares to Moss or Terrell Owens.
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When somebody says “Forget the numbers” you know it’s coming from emotion lol
Lol facts
Forget the numbers, Javale McGee is one of the greatest big man of all time. He's the most athletic guy at his height the league has ever seen! - Ocho probably
@@runningwithcat6195you are being disingenuous. if ocho said albert wilson was the goat your comment would make sense. randy and TO are top 3 receivers ever while javale mcgee isn’t even top 10 in his own era or in any season.
@@will-zj5gq naw he had it right, nobody even knows who that is but everyone knows javelle Magee
There are some incredible talents who weren't able to rack up numbers for various reasons. People like Grant Hill, Barry Sanders, Bo Jackson, etc... So he isn't all the way wrong. Injuries, terrible teams, terrible draft organizations among other things also contribute to great players numbers and championships. Overall I agree with Unc, but Ocho ain't 100% wrong. There are lots of GREAT raw talent individuals that ended up in not so great situations. I probably would say Jerry Rice is the best too. Not to take anything away from him but it definitely doesn't hurt to play with Joe Montana and in that system and for that organization all of those years. But yes, he still deserves all the accolades that he gets because those numbers are ridiculous even given those great circumstances.
As much as many have tried to make this a debate over the last 20 years, this has never been a debate in my mind. As Unc says, it is not remotely close. EVEN on a talent basis. Jerry ran the entire route tree to perfection.
Ocho isn’t even trying to make an argument.
The only thing you can do is throw rocks at Jerry, saying he had the better coaches and Quarterbacks over his career.
And that’s not even a debate.
And then say Moss had the number 1 offense of all time, twice, on different teams. That’s insane value.
But honestly, Jerry grinded so hard, it’s hard to not put him up there.
I don’t think you understand how much defenses triple teamed moss. He never got the same opportunity jerry got ..
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@@Wedonewit2020bball Triple teamed is the most over-rated term in football. Nobody, not even Moss, got triple teamed. What happens is when the ball goes up in the air there are a few defenders close enough to enter the picture and they get counted has trying to cover the receiver, but they actually had a different assignment.
Let me ask you this. What coverage scheme do teams run triple teams in? What would you call that?
Jerry Rice is closer to Wes Welker than Randy Moss athletically.
Jerry won championships, produced every year, and set records that will never be broken
Jerry Rice admitted to cheating using Stickum
Rice had 2 Hall of Fame QB's thowing to him... Moss had 1 Hall of Fame QB at the end of his career!
@TomSCARRELLAministries moss had brady for 3 years
@@user-wj9bz8xi9uYeah that made him set all of those records stickems .🙄🙄🙄
Moss and TO were more physically gifted and great at making contested throw, but the fact that rice was way lest naturally gifted and still out produced them speaks for themselves, he would just be open damn near every other play, didn’t really need contested catches. Not even saying longevity. Rice has had better single seasons, just the fact that he put up an 1800 yard season (something neither of the other two ever did) back in the 90s speaks for itself. However I see what Ochos saying too because I think Moss was a better receiver just due to his speed, size, strength hands etc, he just didn’t try as hard as rice did
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knowing how to run the perfect route can make the slowest receiver wide open. IM 40 and i can still trick the younger dudes with some routes even tho i lost 30 steps lol
Excuse me? There is a reason they called randy noodle arms and would talk about him being afraid to go over the middle. Rice caught everything, point blank period. Would he win in a race? Not a 40 yard dash, but he would in a marathon. Rice is the goat. Undebatable. His hands were LEVELS above moss and t.o.
Rice played on superior teams both offensively and defensively Superior coaches Superior quarterbacks not his fault but I understand what ocho's trying to say but if you're going to deal with the numbers alone there's no comparison to Jerry Rice. But I do understand what Ocho is trying to say
People forget how physically dominate Jerry was in his prime as well... he just didn't get the same attention on live TV as the other 2 because his prime was well before modern cameras and broadcasts. Jerry was a dominant player who consistently could not be covered
Jerry was just less flashy as an individual. I remember people not liking him or Barry Sanders because they weren’t overly braggadocios. That’s why they were my favorites growing up
Don't forget about the great - OJ Simpson!
Barry is in my top 20 Backs ever. He wasn't fast, just illusive and quick.
@@nbagoats4819he's my number one he took a lot of negative yards but wow he was shifty
Its like tim duncan. He not flashy so he never gets brought up as much. I know he gets respects but not like how he deserves it.
@@nbagoats4819top 20? Bro if he not too 5 what you got going on?
Jerry had 22tds in 12 games back in 1987 during the strike year... Imagine the full season, man come on, Jerry is the GOAT
Yep...he was on pace for around 30 that year. He also had 1 rushing TD to make it 23 total.
Randy being double and triple teamed & still getting 23 TDS in 16 games is much more impressive. That was Jerry’s third season not the goat jerry people clamor about now.. and he used stickum game in and out after all the drops his rookie season. Not to mention how many touchdowns moss would’ve had if silly bobbles rules & instant replay weren’t enforced the way they were in 2007. how many touchdowns could be taken from jerry with the same rules today.
Jerry rice played in a run dominated league where the west coast offense was jumping into the scene - “mossed” is famous based on the fact that defenses knew he was gonna get the ball… an were helpless in stopping him.
It's moss. You just thinking stats. Jerry just had a better career. But moss was way better than him
@@manuelshaul9244 You may be just thinking athletic ability but not including work ethic, route running, blocking, rushing, clutch-ness, taking short catches to the house, going over the middle, etc. Rice was better than Moss at those. Moss was taller, faster & could jump higher. But ironically, Rice had more 50+ yard receiving TDs.
@@SlaughterhouseSlaughterer Jerry Rice was being doubled and tripled too as there wasn't a clear #2 receiver then. John Taylor was a rookie and it was Dwight Clark's last year. Neither guy had over 300 receiving. Also, I hate to break it to you but he didn't wear gloves when he had those 22 TDs (23 total) in 12 games and he had one of his best all around seasons the year before. You have to include both the good and bad with or without instant replay...how many TDs were not counted back then when there wasn't instant replay that should have counted?!?
The West Coast offense was about efficiency with shorter passes and making something out of them which Rice was better at and why they came up with YAC. And ironically, he had more 50+ receiving TDs than Moss. Taylor also played in that same offense but here is the numbers comparison with Rice for the 9 years they played together (1987-1995).
John Taylor: 347 rec, 5,598 yards, 43 rec TDs
Jerry Rice: 807 rec, 12,626 yards, 128 rec TDs (7 rushing TDs, for good measure)
As far as being "Mossed", when people used to shoot a basketball or something in the trash, they would say "Kobe" but everybody knows that he's not better than Jordan.
Rice has a record for having RECORDS!!
@@CasGibson no one said he was the best that goes to Terrell Owens. We said Jerry is the GOAT
Ocho doing his best Skip Bayless impression today 😂
hey! you take that back! 😂
@@tommygunn2782 he’s also not a yelling clown-ass fool like Skip
@@frozennorth3426😂😂😂😂😂
@@tommygunn2782But Ocho is as delusional as Skip, SAS & Nick.
@@ghostx4747 what? how?
I know he occasionally says some funny sht that trips people out because they’re not tuned to dry humor or the fool character (like when he said he worried that his hotel would charge extra if he turned the heat on, which broke half the audiences brains in bewilderment lol)
…but I doubt you’re talking about stuff like that.
I’m curious though, since I haven’t seen a ton of him: delusional how?
So for Ocho to say “what Jerry did will never be reached” sounds like something a GOAT will do
I think he’s more so saying talent wise and just the simplest version of a receiver at it’s core moss and TO are the best what I get. But ocho believes that Jerry is the GOAT he just thinks those two are what every talent and skill wise should try to be or would want to be. Jerry’s longevity and work ethic made him better which makes him the goat, but not necessarily what his talent was as a receiver if that makes sense
No point guard will ever have as many steals or assists as John Stockton but people aren't calling him the GOAT pg of all time.
@@mr.kinsey6249thank you. He's not even top 4 to most people.
A better example is Emmitt freaking Smith. He has three superbowls, a superbowl mvp and has the most rushing yds and tds of all time
And everyone has Barry Sanders over him. In fact Emmitt Smith isn't even top 5 to most people. Walter Payton, Eric Dickerson, LaDainian Tomlinson, and Jim Brown.
@@micahmadyun6Ocho doesn’t understand talent vs physical attributes.
@@micahmadyun6tyreek is already better than moss and to. They ain't jerry
It’s like the scene in the Big Bang Theory in a full comic store. 😂
Amy: “OK, so who’s the best superhero?“
Stuart: “Psssssst! You can’t ask a question like that in here… What are you trying to do? Start a rumble??”
Given Jerry Rice is considered one of the greatest football players to ever play the game, I think the answer is pretty obvious.
I have Jerry as the second greatest player ever behind LT.
@reggiejones907 I have both in my top 2, LT and Jerry. You can flip either way and I'm good.
@@reggiejones907 every time LT is mentioned, somewhere out there, a chill runs through an offenseman’s body
@@frozennorth3426 fo sho!😂😂😂
what is crazy is that Rice is less gifted but still the best football player of all three
Jerry Rice has more 1000 yard seasons than all the WR's TE's combined in the entire franchise history of the Cleveland Browns.
Jerry Rice admitted to cheating using Stickum. Moss is the GOAT.
Jerry is the greatest and it’s not particularly close, 11 straight seasons of 1k yards with 2 different quarterbacks, had the greatest season a wide receiver has ever had in 1987. If you didn’t watch Rice when he was playing, you missed out.
Lol you had prolly two of the greatest qb
You guys even listening to Ocho? Numbers aren’t all in a sport. Sport is entertainment, art, and athleticism.
People lose me when not close look at qb #1 but it is very close tbh. Rice is not head and shoulders above Moss, To, Megatron
Ocho in order to prove your point you need statistics,data and not word of mouth. Maybe you liked ( moss & t.o.)their style of running and their brashness but numbers don't lie. Period.
@@cooperfrederic3and the QBs had great receivers.
These are guys that are dominant on two different sides of the brain, and therefore have two different perspectives. Ocho values the creativity/artistry of the game (right side). Shannon is valued the numbers/logic if the game (left side). Both have valid opinions in my conclusion, it’s just about preference.
No, one's simply wrong. Ocho is speaking from pride, not logic. There's no way T.O. or Moss are even in the conversation. Megatron is the closest thing we've seen to Jerry and has an argument because of early retirement, but the other two are laughable.
I think what ocho is trying to say is that they’re more physically talented. But that doesn’t mean you’re the best. Jerry rice wasn’t the biggest, fastest, or strongest, but he managed to get open play after play, game after game, and year after year. He’s in the convo for greatest football player regardless of position so putting anyone above him in the WR position is crazy
Facts!
And he played against deion, and you could jam the wr all the way down the field
There is a difference between Greatest, best and most skilled/talented. If your ask a NFL fan who's the best wide receiver you have seen play there will be many answers including Jerry, Moss, TO, Calvin Johnson. But Jerry rice is the greatest and its not close. As for best or most talented I think Moss was. It's no different than saying Aaron Rodgers or Mahomes are the two most talented QBs ever but everyone still recognizes Tom Brady as the goat.
Exactly and he did it when it counted. It is like quarterbacks, Dan Marino was the most talented and best thrower of bal line Montana said, but you cannot put him over Montana and Brady when these guys may not have been as flashy but did it when it counted . Marino has 0 rings. Moss and Owen’s have 0 rings and because of their attitudes that is why I would never put them ahead as rice.
@@bumpin0 I agree with you. Semantics is the root of many debates. In my opinion the term ' Greatest ' is also too subjective. Rather than greatest I prefer to use most accomplished, but regardless what term is used there can be different interpretations or values given to any said skill.
The amount of downplay and disrespect to Jerry is unreal because people only see numbers and pretend he's nothing but stats.
You can literally take away the stats and it's STILL in Jerry's favor.
Even the eye test and skillset Jerry is still a better receiver.
The only thing Moss has over Jerry is running deep and jump balls, and mfs pretend like Jerry was a bum at it. (Jerry still has the most 50+ TD record)
Jerry is:
Better with hands (reliably)
Better playbook compatibility (Jerry can fit into any and every system in football without drop in production)
Better route runner
Better at reading defenses
Better agility
Better balance
Better blocker (Jerry is literally the greatest blocking receiver ever)
Better at short passes
Better at screens
Better at YAC
Better ball security
Better at taking hard hits
Better longevity
Better at playing across the middle
Better in the clutch
Better at handling pressure (playoffs)
Better at handling superior competition (Jerry can route up Primetime, that's all you need to know)
Better conditioning
Better work ethic (NO ONE works harder than Jerry rice.)
And last of all, Jerry will never give up during a game.
There have and will be Receivers in the past and future that will be better than Jerry in some categories, but never will there be a receiver that surpasses Jerry in ALL categories. And that's not even including his ridiculous stats.
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CHAD " HERE WE GO AGAIN WIT THESE GODDAM NUMBERS " HAD ME CRACKIN UP 😅😅😅😅😅😅
What Jerry Rice may have lacked in sheer athletic freakness that Moss had, he made up for in an incredible work ethic in the off season and during practice. Jerry just outworked most receivers that were more gifted athletically.
Moss had a great work ethic, players quit and left when training in the offseason with him. Jerry Rice admitted to cheating using Stickum
Moss himself said he played when wanted to
@@trovelemmanuel5627 Sid Hartman a sports columnist for the Minneapolis Star & Tribune once asked Moss: "Does Cris Carter get you pumped up to play games?"
Moss answered: "No, I play when I wanna play...nobody gets Randy Moss pumped up but Randy Moss".
The media chose to take it out context to write a story and unfortunately here you are regurgitating it…
@@user-wj9bz8xi9u still true though. Tell me that doesn't show 🤔next argument plz
@@trovelemmanuel5627 It's not true, its a quote taken out of context. Moss was one of the hardest working NFL wide receivers of all time. He trained very hard, even harder than Rice.
Both have a valid point, but I understand Ocho sometimes the stats can be subjective because there are external factors for example for the WR is the QB with who play, the game system, offensive coordinator, so if you you isolate the external factor and just based in the pure WR skills Ocho is totally right in his point
Rice had 1200 yards at 40 years old. What are we talking about here? Jerry had 22 touchdowns in 12 games. LMAO!
"TO!, I mean Ocho!" 😂😂 Freudian Slip
Yes
Chad should've brought up the fact that Moss had 24 different QBs throwing him the ball and still put up 156 TDs 15,000 yards. That's impressive yall because you have to keep building chemistry on the field with different QBs which can be difficult and Jerry basically had Joe and Steve his entire career.
Chad trying to talk to Unc about the West Coast offense is actually hilarious 😂
The metric Randy wins in is FEAR. Defenders and coordinators were terrified because there was no answer to a guy that can outrun you and outjump you. If he decides to turn up, there ain't nothing you can do.
Right. Raw talent and speed is where he wins for sure. The major difference is how those talents were used to achieve results. That introduces a lot of other people and variables that Moss had no control over. That's the main reason that the numbers don't tell everything.
Exactly...he was a basketball player playing football with trackstar speed...
"If he decides to turn up"
That's what separates GOATs from greats.
@@Wizznilliam Moss had Brady for two playoff runs and his playoff numbers were still garbage.
Jerry is the GOAT
Jerry rice didn't party in the off-season, Dude was training 2 days after a superbowl win said Steve Young.
Jerry Rice admitted to cheating using Stickum. Moss is the GOAT.
@@user-wj9bz8xi9u Jerry rice didn't even wear gloves sometimes. Moss was a quitter
@@jonathandutra4831 No need for gloves when you wear stickum. Also nice parrotting of a false media narrative. Moss got to the second most touchdowns of all time because he ALWAYS QUIT!
@user-wj9bz8xi9u 2nd most behind Jerry Rice who did it for 20+ yrs. Stickum really ? Haha
These WR nowadays wear gloves that make you spiderman and still won't ever catch rice. Good try though budz !
@@jonathandutra4831 bro stickum makes your fingers even stick together haha
That, "NOOO" After, "What chu mean it aint close" took me TF OUUUUT😂😂😂😂😂
Like he was almost about to think about it😂😂😂😂😂
Jerry Rice is the greatest WR of all time..hands down
Hands down 👀 😂😂
I can’t believe this Jerry Rice disrespect. I grew up in the Bay Area and Jerry Rice was everything. He played in a non passing era yet his records stand til this day. Dude was always open. Always made the big catch. Was always a threat to score. Was never scared to get hit, etc.
Mouthful.
Also, Rice had to play on that muddy goulash of a field known as Candlestick Park. Whereas Moss had a dome to cover his head from the conditions for most of his best years. Rice >>>>> Moss
@@Mr.Oct___ because he is the 🐐 receiver, and was considered the goat football player until these modern era WRs started disrespecting.
Jerry Rice deserves all his accolades for sure. But he was definitely on a passing team even if it wasn't a passing era. It definitely didn't hurt for him to play with those QBs, in that system, for that organization, in that era. He was fearless and great but that is a lot of pluses in categories that many great raw talent players have no control over.
@@Wizznilliam you’re just making stuff up. Teams today are passing about 50% more than they did during Rice’s era. And the 49ers were never even in the top 5 in passing attempts and were rarely in the top 10 during Rice’s time. Nice try though.
Jerry Rice is the greatest receiver ever and on top of that he might be the greatest football player ever people forget super-bowl matter right?
Moss didn't even block or run the whole route tree. 😂😂
That’s a lie 🤣🤣🤣
He was a crazy route runner if you really payed attention
Hitch’s , Gos , fades , post , slants , come backs , wide out screens , jet sweeps ,
Stop going with the narrative the media paints all the time
@@6oweLA Nope moss was to tall to be " a crazy route runner" his body wouldnt allow him to run insane routes...( yes he could run those routes but not as nice as a shorter receiver)
@@bobzab1957then you did not watch him play.
@@islandrepublic9166 and u must have never played football if u think moss was running crisp routes lol . He was feared because of his speed and size holding his arm up letting the qb know hes always open deep. Go back and watch some of him routes lol The wide shuffle those tall WRs do cracks me up. But a casual like yourself loves it i guess.
"MOSS HIM"
Its really not a debate Rice was great in every single area a WR can be. Great route runner, hands, speed, Yards after catch. Balled out in the Superbowl. An MVP in one. Had a year with 1800 yrds in 16 games had a year with 22 TDs in 12 games (70% of Montanas TDs that year) Was getting over 1000 yrs recieving at 39 and 40. Caught a TD pass on the 02 Bucs at 40. Arguably the greatest football player ever.
I think there can be a differentiation between best and greatest. Best I would say only looks at talent and skillset...whereas greatest is a combination of talent, skillset AND numbers.
I wish I could have called in on this show. Moss broke Jerry's single season touchdown record (23) and it took him all 16 games to do it. Jerry had 22 in a 12 game strike shortened season.
Moss would have got it in 12 games but Patriots played up north in snow games.
Moss barely got it!! He got it with under 2 minutes left in the last quarter of the last game of the season with Tom Brady in his prime and a potent offense that went undefeated (16-0) that season but he still barely got it!! Jerry did it in a strike shortened year with ease!! That alone is proof that Moss is no where near Jerry status!
@@csmoke2k7fuck no
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Moss played most of his career inside a dome and came nowhere close.
Your weather argument is weak considering how many records Tom Brady broke since passing is harder than catching.
@@csmoke2k7 cap. that 2007 year was the greatest offensive of all time. they did it up north.
Man Randy got the youth bruh we grew up saying u got mossed facts
Talent don’t beat hard work and Jerry rice always worked hard on the field
Rice had 2 Hall of Fame QB's throwing to him... Moss had 1 Hall of Fame QB at the end of his career! When Moss had a HOF quarterback throwing to him, he broke Rice's TD record for a season! Ask any DB that played against Moss or Rice, and ask them which they feared most! Checkmate
I think what Shannon was trying to say is that it’s not even close statistically, so Randy basically lost on just stats(1) (2) is you might have an argument with Chad’s point but if you’ve already lost by stats and Chad’s point is debatable it’s basically unanimous but I’m a cowboys fan and I think it’s Jerry because if there was a jump ball he could moss you too
Unc and Ocho we are talking apples, oranges, and pears here. These guys were the greatest receivers to ever put their cleats on and step on a football field. Calvin Terminator Johnson too. Skills set off the charts, numbers off the charts. And in time Cheetah and JJ at Minnesota will be there too. I'm campaigning to get Ocho into the HOF. He belongs!
Jerry Rice created the term GOAT how is this a debate? 😂
It was Ali
Jerry definitely didn't coin that term
Actually, it was LL cool j. He had an album called G.O.A.T before that nobody was using that term, everyone would just say the greatest
@@mantrell502💯 he probably wished he would have trademarked it
Brady got 7 rings 🤧
Jerry Rice play in Moss and TO era in his prime his records would never be broken….
Numbers matters, the time, Year, and NFL rules that have changed how we compare data. Jerry Rice by far the best ever. Just a comparison, if the playing field was fair regarding various subject matters years ago, numbers would change.
Corners had to be taller to get looked at, if they were 5’ 8, etc due to wideouts being drafted were taller. Just a different place in time. Things change. Jerry Rice did something that makes him the best!
Larry Fitzgerald has more fumble recovery’s on kick return then he has dropped passes over the entire length of his career but no one brings him up
I love this two when they have conversations
Here's another thing about Jerry vs moss.... Jerry went against the best defensive backs in the world in any era on a consistent basis... And he went in side and outside... Moss just went deep....TO was Jerrys backup in his prime!!!
I.think Chad is trying to talk about the pure athleticism of moss n t.o. n when u watch those 3 players highlight reels.. 50 best catches.. or whatever.. it is so hard not to just be mesmerized by the magic moss made a reality.. n he was the most athletic receiver out of any anyway.. for u to do what he did physically with his body, the speed through jumping the contortin himself midair, the timing. Of his jumps, any athletic attributes u can muster u see moss just do it on another level than any other receiver ever
at the age of 40 Rice caught 92 passes w/ the raiders
Ashame how Tim Brown NEVER gets brought up & he made tha HOF WITH 20 different QBs
Tim Brown was a great WR.
lol every time Ocho apologizes for swearing makes me laugh😂😂😂
It really shows in the comments, peoples football IQ.
If you're not able to look at JUST The Specimen of a Position (and take the numbers away from it) all your football IQ can go out the window.
People really look at numbers like it's the determining factor of how great somebody is🤣 its a good tool to measure forsure, but NOT the be all and all.
You have to look past the numbers at JUST the Position itself, to determine that
I'm not saying I agree or don't agree with Ocho here, but people really not understanding he's just talking about pure specimen is hilarious.
Rice and Moss were both crazy specimen of the wide receiver position.
I'd have to watch tape of their whole career to see exactly who was the better specimen overall,
which would make them the best wide receiver overall, regardless of the numbers .
People forget it's a team sport and numbers can be varied, depending on which team a wide receiver is on, and the state of the game
DB's In one generation are different from DB's than another generation.
They continuously get better so you have to factor that in too
But it's hilarious how many dudes in here have no idea what they're actually talking about when it comes to the higher levels of the game
Jerry Rice is the GOAT stop it. No one can compete with the numbers he put up
Johnson is only saying this is because he has relatively low numbers compared to a lot of receivers in all of them
@@spiritandtruthservantofchr6601he’s saying it from a talent perspective not numbers or accomplishments
Moss and TO were great deep ball receivers. Rice was a far more complete receiver that could and would run every route.
IMO, Jerry Rice is in the conversation for greatest football player ever. So I'm certain he's the greatest wide receiver ever.
Moss broke Jerry's TD record in 16 games. Jerry set it in I believe 12 games in a run first era.
This is why Ocho would struggle on a national debate show. By no statistical, award or winning measure are these guys better. He just using his eye test and personal feelings 😂
Randy and Calvin eye test is the best
Jerry Rice is the Michael Jordan of wide receivers....meaning there's no debate 😊
Moss must be Lebron of WRs lol
@@HIGHROLLERMUSIC it's actually a great analogy. Moss was an athletic freak with questionable mental toughness. Just like Lebron.
@@xaviervega468nothing is questionable about lebron mental lol
@@russell9411 Lebron at least nutted up enough to get 4 rings. Moss can't even say that.
SHANNON! that's that Pepsi generation coming from Ocho 😅😂
If you did an all time draft, anyone with SENSE would draft Moss before Rice with their receiver choice 🤷🏾♂️
Not with his “I try when I want to” mentality.
@@futurekillerful regardless of whatever you're blabbing about, I would still take Moss in an all time draft before I take Jerry. When you have an athletic freak of nature that can jump with anyone or run past anyone, I would take it. Yes Jerry may have been more technically sound but 20+ years of play also contributed to his numbers looking alot better than anyone before or currently after him...
@@quientonlewis3772 Rice's work ethic and dedication to offseason training is the reason he was able to play 20+ years. Moss prime ended at age 32. Rice had five 1,000 yard seasons after the age of 32.
@@erickrivas5533 Just because some one is fortunate enough to play more years than the competition doesn't automatically mean they are the best. Jerry is definitely one of the best, but in my personal opinion I'd take Moss. 🤷🏾♂️
@@quientonlewis3772 Being fortunate had nothing to do with it. Rice worked harder than Moss and it showed on the field. Moss is an all time great and athletic freak but he is not close to Rice but neither is any other WR so he's not alone.
Unc was bouta wild out 😂
ocho you look so damn young my girl said “is that shannon son ?” (she doesnt know football) 😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂
If you split rice stats in half he'll have two hof careers and he only played 2 games in 97. He could've finished with 1600 +Catches 23,000+ yards and anywhere between 215 and 220 tds. He's the G.O.A.T hands down.
This was a 👍 great deb,big time facts 💯 👏!!!!!
Jerry was also great on the Raiders where he effectively elevated that offense to being the best in the league. Jerry isn't just the best Wide Receiver but arguably the greatest and most dominant athlete America has ever seen.
That man had 2 HOF QBs also, im a 49er fan since 88 and i think that plays a huge part
Cant believe its a debate. Have people not seen his numbers. He put up numbers people do now in a different era.
Ocho is saying you are missing the "Eye Test." Marvin Harrison was Jerry Rice to a lesser degree. BUT Megatron was a mix of Moss and TO to a lesser degree too.
Randy Moss was uncoverable 🙏🏽💪🏽🙏🏽💪🏽ask any defensive back who they'd rather cover
What’s your point
@Clfaison22 I played DB in college. I believe if you surveyed 100 DBs, over 80% would rather cover ANYONE except for Randy Moss because even if you have him covered, 4.2 -4.3 40, , if the ball is placed high enough, it's highly unlikely you'll be able to out jump him at 6'4 with a reported 47 inch vertical. I tried to find data on the average height of an NFL DB, it seems to be around 6ft, because you can't be too tall, especially if you're a corner, low center of gravity, etc. So again, he's basically unguardable.
Facts
They actually asked Ray Buchanan. He said he would rather cover Moss.
Jerry rice is the greatest by numbers and skill set and routes and talent
MOSS AND T.O. Top 3 period.
Chad is speaking FACTS!!!!!!!
Chad needs to be tested
Moss is my fav football player (even as a raiders fan) and he had his chance to win a Super Bowl but failed. Yes, numbers won’t mean everything but Rice is the goat for wrs. Rice was amazing. His routes were just superb
Jerry played 7 years with Montana, and 13 years with Steve Young….
TO made regular quarterbacks pro bowlers, ask Tony Romo, & Jeff Garcia meanwhile Randy extended careers ask Jeff George, Tom Brady, Warren Moon and Randall Cunningham
I would take Moss if we are talking about field changing in his prime, but Jerry had a better career, but sometimes people rank themselves in terms of prime years and being more of a threat where they had to double and triple team you. Moss was on 2 of the greatest offenses I've ever seen 98 Vikes and 07 Pats
U was born in the 00s
And those two offenses never won a ring...must not been that great
@@truthiscensoredI’m guessing team defence and other things don’t count, eh?
To win a ring in football it takes total TEAM EFFORT, not just one side of the ball or one player (especially that player being just a receiver).
Yeah, but Jerry played when you could jam the wr all the way down the field. He played against deion and still put up good numbers
@@makwabear4078 Forget the rings, how many great playoff games did Moss have?
Someone needs to ask the 10 best DB's who played against Moss, Rice, and Owens which receiver scared them the most. My guess is they would all say Randy Moss
Jerrys attitude alone made him the Goat! Even after SB and Mvp , All Pro, he still showed up and showed out from practice to game time.. T.o.and moss never won a damn thing and believed they were the greatest with all their size and talent still came up short 😅
Moss the goat. He got a whole saying….MOSS’D on him
Crazy af because you used the term GOAT to describe Moss but that term "GOAT" came from Jerry Rice 😂
YAC and RAC was created from JERRY
you must be young
Jerry Rice is the best receiver to ever grace a field. Discrediting Jerry is insanity to say the least.
Jerry Rice name will forever be mentioned. Unfortunately Randy & TO were dynamic & influential players. It just so happen they are not the greatest.
Ocho saying he hate stats but that’s part of football and part of getting the gold jacket at the end of the day
Jerry also played in an age where receivers were not protected and in an age we're running backs mattered....... They are all great football wise. Jerry is the goat because of his work ethic and everything that came with him.... Yes there are other receivers that were blessed with certain abilities hight weight or speed...and there have been some guys with amazingggg hands. Let's not forget Irvin, Calvin J, Carter, Tommy brown, Harrison list goes on
I get where they both are coming from but it's hard to argue with a guy who actually played the position. Your prospective is just different when you play the position and you know what it takes to play the position.
To me Moss had the greatest ability, But Rice is the G.O.A.T because he got every once out of his career💯🤷🏾♂️
Does Randy Moss or TO have a son playing lights out WR….going into the League?
Brandon Rice following the GOATs footsteps…truly a legacy friends🙏🏈😇
Unc! “Go Ahead!”
Ocho would only have a point if he seen jerry like he did Moss n T.O
Moss is the GOAT
Crazy you say that because the term "GOAT" was created because of Jerry Rice 😂
@@raider_reaper_4194and somebody came after him and usurped him
@@WopJr who has?
Montana never even threw for 4,000 before, with or after Jerry Rice but Rice still got his numbers. Average QBs now can pass for more because they throw more. Rice played with John Taylor in SF from 1987-1995. Look at their numbers comparison during that stretch.
John Taylor: 347 rec, 5,598 yards, 43 rec TDs
Jerry Rice: 807 rec, 12,626 yards, 128 rec TDs (7 rushing TDs, for good measure)
And who faced more double coverage?!? I guess that West Coast offense didn't help Taylor as much.
It's hard to explain... when you're wrong... LOL
Let's go outside the numbers... Jerry runs better routes, has better hands, and was more elusive after the catch than both T.O. and Randy...
Moss, TO, Rice in that order... receive is a very dependent position. Coaches or quarterback don't have to give a receiver the ball just because they don't like you. They need to factor in targets.
It’s Moss…he had everyone saying “You got Moss’ed” any great catch or jump ball playing football at any level even in the streets it was moss’ed…never you been riced 🤷🏾😂
Naw but people use the term GOAT and that started from Jerry Rice
moss would prolly be able to clamp rice as a db
Thats completely irrelevant concerning greatness on the field sir
Calvin and Andre Johnson are up there in terms of physicality. Moss and TO could probably have passed Jerry Rice’s stats if their egos were in check.
Overall skill I’ll put Marvin Harrison in the mix….i personally believe Justin Jefferson will be in this conversation in a few years. Ocho, you could be in this conversation as well, but that damn ego cut you short my man.
Best way to put it in perspective numbers and stats aside, who would be the top dawg if Rice, Moss, TO, Megatron were all 4 starting receivers on the same team with an elite qb…..
“My name Chad” 🤣🤣
What you talkin bout TO!
T.O. Is just an all around beast!!! He can do it all at an hall of fame level. As great as T.O. Was he still got a lot of could have beens. I want T.O. In that fox hole with me.
Calvin gets mentions in the top 10 because his prime years were so dominant. His 2012 might be the greatest ever. But Rice, Moss and TO all had dominant peak primes. So the tiebreaker goes to whose dominance lasted longer and career achievements. Rice easily clears
My favorite Rams Holt & Bruce. Indianapolis colts Wayne & Harrison.
Moss didn’t have a HOF QB til the end of his career (Brady), Rice had 2 (Montana, considered the Goat at one time, and Steve Young)…I couldn’t imagine if Megatron had one
Ocho is not a debater but he is entertaining and I love it. Respect
At least Shannon is consistent. He likes the guys who're incredibly productive for 20 years lebron and jerry.
Unc was so overwhelmed he called that boy skipp😭😂
Jerry Rice is a great receiver of all the time. Numbers don’t lie.
The only people who say Jerry isn't the GOAT do so because he wasn't the prototype at that position. Randy and TO were bigger, faster, more athletic, but Jerry Rice simply dominated the position longer. If we are going to start saying disregard stats and accolades and look only at attributes, we are going into a dangerous
gray area.