Charlotte was a practical person, she just wanted a safe comfortable home and to not be a burden to her family anymore. Options were very limited in those days.
The real world is meant to be practical anyways, adults seem to be involved more in it. But us children/ teens still have room for unpractical and Fantasy stories
@@ForteExpresso Well, sorry to say, millions of adults are deluded, and with minds that narrow and get crusty instead of being open to the world. Enjoy the wonder and stay young at heart.
She is a very sensible low maintenance character in the movie. Charlotte telling Elizabeth that Mr Darcy singling her out during a ball by asking her for a dance, had her rethinking her feelings for Wickham.
I think Mr Collins is not such a bad partner. Yes, he is silly and adores his patroness, but he isn´t a drunk, is not violent, and don´t spent his money on cards or gambles. He also respect his wife´s decision to hide herself in her private chamber, and talks to her with respect. For a woman of 27, without money r prospects, mr Collins is not a bad choice.
Let's not forget that he's a parson which is not a bad occupation and the heir to an estate. Should things go well, Charlotte will be in Mrs. Bennet's shoe in the future. He's a very good catch with his fawning-over-his-patroness and physical appearance being the only negative things about him.
If the best that can be said is he’s not a drunkard (or a gambler or womanizer or spendthrift or other negative habits) ... that’s not saying much. I get the impression Charlotte never experienced romantic love so she sought a practical match with good prospects. Assuming Collins lives to inherit, Charlotte will be mistress of Longbourn and her son (if she has one) will inherit after him. Hopefully she recognized possible compatibilities where they could share a home life together. It’s obvious later on they don’t share a deep emotional bond and Charlotte encourages him to enjoy his own interests.
@@amasion2882 I agree that it's a low standard. But she's a woman in a time period where remaining unmarried would almost certainly lead to great poverty as she got older, and she doesn't seem to think it's likely she will find someone better. So between marrying someone sort of OK who she probably will never really enjoy being around let alone love, but who will provide her with financial security and space to follow her own interests, and marrying no one, I can see why she picked this option.
Helen Holt : I disagree that even Charlotte thought Mr. Collins was a “great catch.” Again his prospects as heir to Longbourn (close to her family) made him satisfactory. His own parents are dead and he’s not very smart. Charlotte saw an economic opportunity. She wanted her own home and the social advantage of being a married woman. Single, poorer women had little social status. She kept her expectations low and she wasn’t disappointed. It’s a gamble, though. If Collins died childless they wouldn’t inherit Longbourn. If Mrs. Bennett died and Mr. Bennett has a son with a new wife, no Longbourn. Charlotte would still be poor and have little or no wealth or status.
We forget why people married back then. It generally wasn't for love, at least not in the upper class, and was often arranged by parents in order to secure an advantageous alliance (as with Darcy and Lady Catherine's daughter). Male and female roles were clearly defined; love was just a bonus, if you were lucky. Charlotte was just being practical.
That so fits with the title and its prejudice across the the three classes, upper, middle and lower. Each had it's own faults and own benefits. Pride in being married no matter to whom.
Unless a woman had money of her own marriage was the only future for her. The only career open to a middle or upper class woman was that of governess which was worse than being a servant.
Yes, Elizabeth was quite modern for her times. And the story ended well but it’s a novel in the end. What if Wickham had never married Lydia and the family’s reputation had been ruined? And Darcy and Bingley not asked the older sisters in marriage? Maybe Jane would have found someone to marry since she is the most beautiful and known in her good character but not really anyone rich or probably not young or otherwise someone who is not most ideal partner. The youngest girls would not have gotten proposals. Maybe Elizabeth would have realized at that point that their family situation in future looks dire and would be willing to compromise her ideals but it still would not have been easy to find someone to marry and it would have been really stressed. Even if both older girls would get some marriages they probably could not support the youngest well after Mr Bennet dies. And it could have been that the Lydia affair would have had so great effect none of them could have found good marriages (meaning marriages in their own or near their own class to at least decent people). That’s why Elizabeth turning down two proposals is so unexpected and high praise worthy and bit worthy of criticism too. Darcy was obviously extremely rich. But even Collins was the heir of Bennet home so even if he wasn’t rich or had a great personality it would have been a comfortable solution for the family. I don't think I would have been able to say no to insuring my family home. But I would have tried to get Mr Collins to actually get interested in Mary, I think they could really even been happy together.
No, he wouldn`t. He wasn`t looking for a vain pseudo intellectual like himself. I think it`s a general misconception that women can expect male admiration simply by being a match to a man intellectually.
Whether she liked him or not would have been immaterial to him. He would never have considered her, as she wasn't pretty or feminine enough for him. Men don't want someone who is similar to them, men want someone who reflects the man they wish they were. That's as true today as it was back then.
@@sugarfree1894 When I read prejudiced comments like this which condemn either the entire female gender or the entire male gender, I always think the person needs to widen their social circles. Not everyone is as disappointing as the people you have happened to meet in the past. Give others a chance.
Marriage was about family alliances and securing material comfort, especially for a woman no matter which social class she belonged to. Charlotte had succeeded in this endeavour.
Mr Collins wasn't a bad sort just dorky and silly. Not the best out there but at least he had a good position and would always respect his wife. Actually a good match for the easy going Charlotte.
I don't agree that he would always respect his wife. He is, alongside dorky and silly, arrogant. And obsequious. A truly dreadful combination. I can easily imagine him criticizing Charlotte, and her getting very good at holding her breath and counting to 10.
I feel Charlotte is smart enough to know her husband temperament. She is able to know how to keep her freedom with in society. She often encourages him to do stuff. Think that keep him occupied & out of her way.
Charlotte knew that she would be able to _handle_ Mr. Collins because he was very much like her own father, Sir William Lucas. Austen even gave the two men the same first name!
I like the way the book portrays the news being told to the Bennetts. Charlotte went to her friend Lizzy & told her privately. Lizzy's "Impossible" comment was to her friends face--rather rude, but natural. Then, Lizzy didn't feel she was given liberty to share the news, so Sir Lucas came over and announced it himself to the family as a whole. Again, the family was rather rude with their surprise. This treats it like it was just village gossip & the Bennetts were not of consequence enough for personal notice.
I really think these changes were made in order to speed up the news of Charlotte's marriage; six hours is a long time, but they still needed to compress the novel.
In this adaptation of the novel (the best version in my opinion) the Lucas family home is portrayed as grander and more sumptuous than the Bennet residence, Longbourn House. Whether Jane Austen thought that, however, is uncertain. In Volume 1, Chapter 5, she merely tells us that Sir William had made a 'tolerable fortune' through trade at Meryton and had thus retired 'with his family to a house about a mile from Meryton, denominated from that period Lucas Lodge.' Evidently, the house had less extensive parkland than the Bennet home, for when Lady Catherine de Bourgh haughtily said that the Bennets had a "very small park", Mrs Bennet replied: “It is nothing in comparison of Rosings, my lady, I dare say; but I assure you it is much larger than Sir William Lucas’s.” (Volume 3, Chapter 14.)
I could envision Sir Lucas putting all his wealth from trade after he sold his business into a new fancy house, that didn't have much land connected to it. While the Bennets lived in an old family home connected to land they owned and had tenants on. Looking at their houses, one might think the Lucases are richer or higher status. But the Bennets, who have a long history of being gentry/landowners, are higher in status and likely have a move stable and higher yearly income.
Personally, I believe they..the Bennetts that is, had a longer standing of rank in time, but not necessarily a superior financial position to the Lucas's in total assets. That was my impression they were lateral. The Lucas's were newly arrived to such a standing, that is in comparison to the Bennetts, reserved by Mr Bennett's position especially. Remember, there was yearly income to be counted & the book made mention that Mr. Bennett, thru expecting a son, imprudently had not laid back properly enough income throughout the years, thru efficacy secured ample enough money for the girls dowry to match or appear attractive to other upper-rank families in search of suitable members to marry. He had not managed substantially adequate in appeal to other ranking societal-tiered families. This, of course was how the upper societies preserved wealth, by combining each others & passing it on to descendants, who in turn did the same with subsequent generations. This tradition however presented an impediment to the most worthy girls, a misfortunate occasion. Thus I believe the motivation behind Mrs. Bennett's obsession, rather was the reason why Mrs Bennett was driven with a singular idea of marriage in mind to rich young men, putting her girls in the way of attachments formed & linked an upper echelon. Simply her narrow mindedness on the subject of matrimony, because of this short sighted blunder, on the part of Mr. Bennett preoccupied & who thought a solution would be provided, perhaps by Providence. At any rate whoever's fault incurred the deficit, there wasn't enough saved up to secure the lifestyle they were raised in & cast an appeal towards others who could. Mrs. Bennett troubled by this de facto condition realized they were reliant on a good match to meet expectations & the entail on the estate made matters even worse & increased Mrs Bennett's passionate zeal for a suitable marriage, much to the chagrin of the whole family, who the eldest of which felt the pressure at every turning. Uncomfortable to be sure, except they had each other, the girls paired by personalities in consolation their mother's nervous anxieties & Mary had her studies & artistic development to occupy her thoughts & provide escape. Whatever Mrs Bennett's faults were, exposed as they were for the whole world to see, such did not include a lack of motherly affection in the sense of desiring her daughter's happiness & well situated, in cared for & contented for life. Though somewhat naive in her intentions in places, voids in comprehension, she had that much in her favor deeply concerned for their future prosperity & no one knew better than herself marrying (then) was indeed a livelihood for women. In those days, women being restricted other avenues of securing an income. Without marrying well, the girls would of, at their parents death been thrust in uncertain circumstances if unmarried & likely would of had to be employed teaching other wealthy families children, as a governess. A ladies occupation for they were educated & this talent was marketable & in demand. However it lowered their standing & reduced chances of marrying well even further in remote an event to happen. In addition Mr. Lucas had been Mayor & recognized by his Soveriegn, so all in all they were very close in style & that's why they associated together, because that's how the times were defined, was by social standing, give in take very few exceptions to the rule. A rule of which to us fans of Austen made a spectacular story based on how Elisabeth & Jane rose amidst such obstacles placed in their way. Both elevated thru such sublime character who were recognized, as good fortune to attach what was deemed honorable, by the gentleman of choice two priceless jewels to possess such feminine a genteel grace, ardently endowed superior to riches. True heart's both capable of life's devotion, amicable & loving partners, intelligent & beautiful to behold. Our excellent choice of romance in story superbly written.
The Bennet family home, Longbourn House, and its estate were well worth inheriting. Consequently, the parents of Charlotte Lucas were delighted that their eldest daughter was going to marry Mr Collins: ‘Sir William and Lady Lucas were speedily applied to for their consent and it was bestowed with a most joyful alacrity . . . . Mr Collins’ . . . prospects of future wealth were exceedingly fair. Lady Lucas began directly to calculate with more interest than the matter had ever excited before, how many years longer Mr Bennet was likely to live.’ Pride and Prejudice, Volume 1, Chapter 22.
Charlotte marrying Mr. Lucas also granted some security to the Bennett sisters, since they were close friends. Charlotte probably would have taken the girls in as poor relations.
A little tone deaf of Charlotte to say to Lizzie that she only asked for 'a comfortable home' considering that the 'comfortable home' in question would eventually be Lizzie's!!!
Charlotte would someday be in a position to help her family and friends if the need arose. Given her practical mindset, that was probably a consideration in her acceptance.
Well Charlotte was close to being past marrying age and would die a spinster if she didn't marry. She was likely thinking of security for her and her family.
Charlotte would have ended up homeless without a marriage...She's being pretty literal about her practical options here and Lizzie wouldn't take it the wrong way.
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You're taking the piss. The acting was horrendous, it doesn't have a soundtrack, the clothes are washed out, the sets are dull and boring scenes go on and on forever and 100% of the series is boring scene after boring scene.
It is a good match materially and logically. When Mr Collins inherits Longbourn he can practically retire as a clergyman and employ a curate to do his work for him. Charlotte will then be mistress of Longbourn and be near her parents. However when we see her later on in the serial being vexed by Mr Collins ridiculous obsession with Lady Catherine, it makes you wonder whether it was worth it!
well as Charlotte herself said when Lizzie visited her sometimes a whole day passes without her seeing or talking to her husband. And Charlotte is after all Mistress of her own household and not stuck as an old maid so she knew what she was getting into she knew her husband was a fool and but she doesn't have to spend that much time with him apparently so that makes her happy and if they ever have kids she'll devote herself to her kids and have even less to do with her husband probably.
Charlotte's acceptance of Mr. Collins proposal made me think about some things. In life, you get what you settle for. Elizabeth didn't settle. She knew what she wanted and valued. She saw her father's and mother's relationship and did not want to make the same mistake.
She gambled a lot. Chances were, she would have ended up a lot worse than her mother and her father. It's a novel and things were arranged so she won. In real life, she would have been more likely to have lost.
In real life, Lizzy would be insane to decline an offer of marriage like mr. Darcy. Given her financial situation and relatives, mr. Collins was right that she likely wouldn't recieve other offers.
Knowing the various types of personalities human beings possess, I believe there were women during that time who stood firm in their beliefs regarding the kind of marriage they desired who decided to wait and marry for love. I believe Jane Austen wrote this story based on various situations she had observed.
Jane Austen refused a marriage proposal herself (actually she accepeted it and then changed her mind the next day) and she never married. Her sister Cassandra's fiance died, and so she also never married. And after their father died, Jane, Cassandra and their mother lived with the financial help of their brothers. As much as I love Pride and Prejudice, I don't think it is realistic at all. A woman in Elizabeth's position would probably accept Mr. Collin's offer for the sake of the family. But that's why the book is so much better than reality.
@@Line... no, a person's character spoke more of him than his money. During the first ball, even though everyone knew he earned 10000 a year, but he was still not desired due to his rude conduct. Lizzy being even higher than that can't present herself to be served in such a manner that he pitied her. Plus her this temperament is what makes us modern genes to enjoy this book more heartfully.
They do Charlotte's hair plain and simple because in the book she's described as bad looking. Yet the actress is very pretty. I love this series but in some of the characters the physical appearance was off what had been described in the book. Jane Bennet is another example. I am not saying she is bad looking but never prettier than JE playing Elizabeth. And Jane was supposed to be a beauty. Also Lydia looks older than Kitty, and she is supposed to be 2 years younger. I think the casting in the 1980 version is more spot on, in terms of looks. I also prefer the Mrs and especially the Mr Bennett from the 1980 version.
Physically, the actress playing Jane embodies the “English rose“ that was seen as the womanly ideal back in those days. But I think she also did a very good job in capturing the serenity and sweetness and light ascribed to the “ideal woman“ at that time.
If you look up Regency fashion plates, which tended to portray the contemporary "female beauty ideal", they often look like the actress who plays Jane. She doesn't embody modern ideas of female beauty, but she does embody the ideals of the era that this was set in. I agree about Lydia's casting. I think Julia Sawalha overdoes the youthful exuberance to try and compensate for the fact she's quite a bit older than her character (she was older than Jennifer Ehle!)
Soledad Ferrer I can’t see anyone but JE playing Elizabeth so it doesn’t bother me that it differs from the book. I don’t think Darcy would have described her “fine eyes” if she weren’t also pretty, just in a different way than the conventional beauty Jane displayed. Jane is the Grecian goddess and Elizabeth is the Botticelli.
I think that the scene in the book was better arranged. Charlotte Lucas tells Elizabeth about her engagement herself in private, before the rest of the Bennets, Elizabeth reacts, and then Charlotte explains herself. THEN when Sir William comes in person to announce the engagement the Bennets act inappropriately and Elizabeth confirms his story.
Jane Austen is clearly conflicted on the topic of marrying partners you don't love. She can see the practicality of Charlotte's argument but! Let's not forget that she didn't marry herself. The dilemma of the unmarried woman, very significant for the times!
I understand it a very good arrangement. I hope Charlotte will find some value to cherish in Mr. Collin. Charlotte said that she is not “romantic and never she was...” it only means she had not find love yet. I really wish she will never meet her Mr. Right coz then she will be very tortured.
I always figured that perhaps Charlotte simply had no interest in romance. Some people are just like that. So in her case she would view it in practical terms to achieve her goals of living a secure life for her and her family.
Your last sentence sums it up well. You can't miss what you've never had. And Collins seems to care for her and respect her and he gets on well with her parents. She will have children to love and bring her joy. She will have love in her life.
Only long enough to make an heir and a spare one more if she can at her age just for good measure cuz infant mortality was still pretty high back then. Then her job is done as far as sleeping with him.
True. But then, Charlotte had a painfully realistic view of the matter (not sure how much she knew about the physical aspect of this... ewww indeed!). Looks like she didn't have other offers, she wasn't getting any younger, and didn't have enough money to her name to sweeten the pot. So... take what you can, be respectably married... close your eyes and think of England. Mr. Collins' last letter indicates that Charlotte was in the family way... so there would be children to devote herself to. Something to think of. She wasn't the first nor the last to take a no-nonsense view of such matters.
@@thekingsdaughter4233 True. Charlotte did not have any other chances but marry Mr Collins, as she wasn't rich or beauty like other girls of the neighborhoid and was already 27. She choose the best future for herself.
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The King's Daughter : I think Charlotte’s pragmatism also reflects the difference in status between the Lucas family and the Bennetts. Her father was a more recent arrival to the gentry and the Bennett family appeared to be a bit longer established even if they weren’t extremely rich. I also think Charlotte’s decision and marriage is meant to show the difference between choosing a strictly practical/financial match and Elizabeth’s determination for a more compatible husband. Neither decision is “wrong.” Elizabeth passed on an unsuitable offer and found happiness with a true partner. Charlotte accepted Collins with the full understanding she would be relatively lonely but might see material rewards in the future. Both women were satisfied. Elizabeth was also willing to risk more than Charlotte. Collins was no prize but Charlotte accepted him so she could enjoy married life and possible future prosperity. Unless Mr. B. outlives Collins, the odds are in her favor. Elizabeth didn’t necessarily care for wealth (but realization of Darcy’s fortune probably impressed her) but she wanted/needed a man she could respect and look up to. She passed on Collins, got “semi jilted” by Wickham (definitely worse than Collins) and accepted Darcy because she luckily got a 2nd Chance. She could just as easily ended up single and “on the shelf.”
Lizs shock.. Charlotte sensible..how can she? Xplains her reacn..but still its wise on her part Due to this choice..Darcy gets to meet Liz at Rosings.. Ah!! Clever writing Austen To get this couple together D gets to mk Amends..fo his class act of Proposing.to Liz too..😄😉😎😊🎊💟💜
Claudia Con, your single sentence does not tell me enough about what you are really saying. Charlotte will find material comfort with Mr. Collins and that has real value. However, they are ill suited to each other and Charlotte seems to despise Mr. Collins, which will probably result in a great deal of unhappiness for both of them. I would hope that over time both of them would grow to see what each has to offer and find happiness together, but I suspect that Charlotte and Mr. Collins will withdraw from one anther and live in the same house as strangers.
I meant that Elizabeth has never made any effort to try to appreciate Mr Collins. Her first impression was negative and she never change her mind about her cousin, but she recognize that despise Charlotte is not romantic and aiming to have a material comfort, she accept Mr collins as husband, gives him an opportunity to be known better. Going to visit them in Kent, Elizabeth understand that they might not have been in love with each other but that the existing mutual affection between them is more than enough to give them a happy marriage. I believe that after the holiday in Kent she beginning to change: Elizabeth start to realize that she is maybe too harsh in her judgment and people are not always as they appear. And when discover the real characters of Wickam and Darcy, she re-evaluated Mr Collins too.
@@claudiacon It's a good point actually. I don't totally agree - I think the main point is that Lizzy's romanticism and Charlotte's sense need to be married together. So no, I don't think Charlotte made a good choice in marrying Mr Collins. It was an understandable choice, given the era, so I don't want to be too harsh about that. But the fact remains that he isn't of "good character." He's respectable enough, but Lizzy could see from the start that he was stupid and arrogant. He's not entirely mean-spirited, and Lizzy does recognise this in the end. But that doesn't cancel out his other faults. Romantic attraction is important in a marriage, and it's good that Lizzy wasn't prepared to marry a man she wasn't in love with. At the same time, Charlotte did teach her that some people deserve a second look, and that first impressions aren't always the most reliable. Darcy turned out to be sensible, well-principled, caring and generous. He still had faults, but Lizzy learns to appreciate his good character, and they both learn that they need to change aspects of their behaviour (namely the pride issue). Collins is so stuck in his self-importance that he can't see any faults in himself.
I agree that Charlotte is practical, but is she truly being wise? Later on, even Charlotte realizes she chose a man she's bored with and probably should not have married because he natters on endless about Lady Catherine de Bourgh. Charlotte sounds almost desperate in a later scene when she asks Elizabeth if Lizzie will write her. Also Charlotte says that she encourages her husband to be in the garden as much as possible so she doesn't spend too much time with him.
Claudia I'll have to disagree with you again, and with those who said Elizabeth came on to reevaluate Mr. Collins after she visited them in Kent. Remember, when Lydia ran away with Mr. Wickham, Mr. Collins paid a visit to them in Longbourn, to give his "condolences" and to remark that what Lydia has done would harm all the other sisters forever. At that point, Elizabeth finds a way to drive him away and then she remarks that she thinks he only came to Longbourn to show them how fortunate his choice of wife was when he didn't marry one of the Bennets, and that he was an insufferable man. So yeah, she was right about his ill character from the very beginning and I don't believe Charlotte saw beyond Elizabeth's view, as if she saw qualities in Mr. Collins that no one could see. It didn't happen, she was only saving herself from being a burden to her parents.
Working wasn’t an option if you were a woman in that era. Women had no rights, they were considered legal property of their fathers, husbands, or next male relative. Women were kept out of most professions and the ones they could work (governess, maid, housekeeper, factory worker, teacher) weren’t exactly pathways for economic freedom. And being a single woman was really frowned upon, women could only gain social status by marriage. Better to marry the fool.
In Charlotte's day this was not possible, certainly not in Charlotte's social status. She did the only sensible thing, there was no other path open for her except spinsterhood which often meant penury.
Not an option for a respectable middle class woman then. Charlotte could have become a governess which was a lonely life as she would have been considered below the social level of her employers but the servants would not have accepted her as one of them, because she lived "above stairs" More likely is that she would have been considered the family spinster and a nuisance The final option being to get married - nothing fine or romantic more like any port in a storm. This is what she chose. She would do her duty,She would keep the place nice and be a good, economical housewife.
@@stephaniemay792 I don't even think Charlotte (or even the Bennet girls) had enough education and refinements to become governesses either. They were truly screwed. Too uneducated to work as a governess. Too high class/inexperienced to work as servants (and who would volunteer for that life?!). Too poor (small dowries) to attract lots of suitors. Without supportive fathers/brothers/uncles/male relatives, they had very few options.
I fear those i love would become wicked and ready to leave their better judgment behind because every one else is doing it. To think like miss lucas for example.
If they choose to be wicked upon their own accord they would at least have management on their own destiny And do their deeds good or evil At their own discretion as human beings Not like the life of hyacinths that float along the water way Unaware of where the tide takes them too.
Honestly, Mister Collins is not a bad guy. Just a bit dorky and fawning. But I never found him to be repulsive, per se. I mean, Darcy has had less personality for like three quarters of the story, and is held up as a romantic ideal lol.
I prefer the scene in the newer movie with lizzie on the swing. She was flabbergasted that her friend would choose such an odious toad. And her friend was like "dont judge me! I dont have your options! I'm 27 and already a burden to my parents!" The feelings were more intense.
jinxiejae More intense, but not Austen. The 2005 version ruined the character of Charlotte, whose actions represented a certain aspect of early 18th century society. Charlotte unapologetically makes the practical choice while Jane and Elizabeth hold out, not for passion, but for mutual respect, compatibility, and love.
I HATE the modernization. It’s unfaithful to the novel and really unfair to Charlotte’s character. Charlotte was NOT “desperate and frightened” into accepting Mr. Collins. Mr. Collins is actually a decent catch by the era’s standards. Charlotte accepted he would be no intellectual or emotional companion to her. In return she got a respectable, albeit silly and unattractive husband who would inherit a family estate close to her own family. To her it was a fair deal. Elizabeth’s father supported her refusal because it’s obvious to everyone that she and Mr. Collins aren’t a good (or even decent) match.
I think Charlotte is a lesbian. She knew that any man she married was going to gross her out so she might as well take Mr. Collins and spare some straight woman the agony of having to sleep with him.
I wonder if Charlotte was not a closet lesbian, "I am not romantic." Mr. Collins is portrayed here as an unctuous homosexual, so it would make an interesting match.
@@DCFunBud Literally. As in, she was a girl raised from childhood knowing she'd be sold off in an arranged marriage at some point and her one job in life was to get married to a man who'd "elevate the family fortune." Considering that Collins' patroness was a person of great importance, she certainly succeeded in that. These books were written by women in a time where they wanted to marry for love but did not. That would start to come later in the Victorian period. So... Charlotte is practical-minded. Not a goddamn lesbian. And inferring gays are not romantic is gross btw.
@B Lor Some people have to assume gay characters in everything. But in this case no. Charlotte just has no interest in romance and some people are like that. She probably viewed marriage as a contract for security.
Charlotte was a practical person, she just wanted a safe comfortable home and to not be a burden to her family anymore. Options were very limited in those days.
The real world is meant to be practical anyways, adults seem to be involved more in it.
But us children/ teens still have room for unpractical and Fantasy stories
@@ForteExpresso Well, sorry to say, millions of adults are deluded, and with minds that narrow and get crusty instead of being open to the world. Enjoy the wonder and stay young at heart.
She is a very sensible low maintenance character in the movie. Charlotte telling Elizabeth that Mr Darcy singling her out during a ball by asking her for a dance, had her rethinking her feelings for Wickham.
She wasnt practical she had no choice thanks to ✨ Patriarchy ✨
I think Mr Collins is not such a bad partner. Yes, he is silly and adores his patroness, but he isn´t a drunk, is not violent, and don´t spent his money on cards or gambles. He also respect his wife´s decision to hide herself in her private chamber, and talks to her with respect. For a woman of 27, without money r prospects, mr Collins is not a bad choice.
Let's not forget that he's a parson which is not a bad occupation and the heir to an estate. Should things go well, Charlotte will be in Mrs. Bennet's shoe in the future. He's a very good catch with his fawning-over-his-patroness and physical appearance being the only negative things about him.
If the best that can be said is he’s not a drunkard (or a gambler or womanizer or spendthrift or other negative habits) ... that’s not saying much. I get the impression Charlotte never experienced romantic love so she sought a practical match with good prospects. Assuming Collins lives to inherit, Charlotte will be mistress of Longbourn and her son (if she has one) will inherit after him.
Hopefully she recognized possible compatibilities where they could share a home life together. It’s obvious later on they don’t share a deep emotional bond and Charlotte encourages him to enjoy his own interests.
@@amasion2882 I agree that it's a low standard. But she's a woman in a time period where remaining unmarried would almost certainly lead to great poverty as she got older, and she doesn't seem to think it's likely she will find someone better. So between marrying someone sort of OK who she probably will never really enjoy being around let alone love, but who will provide her with financial security and space to follow her own interests, and marrying no one, I can see why she picked this option.
@@amasion2882 In this time period romantic love did not play much of a role in marital match ups. For Charlotte this was an excellent catch.
Helen Holt : I disagree that even Charlotte thought Mr. Collins was a “great catch.” Again his prospects as heir to Longbourn (close to her family) made him satisfactory. His own parents are dead and he’s not very smart. Charlotte saw an economic opportunity. She wanted her own home and the social advantage of being a married woman. Single, poorer women had little social status. She kept her expectations low and she wasn’t disappointed.
It’s a gamble, though. If Collins died childless they wouldn’t inherit Longbourn. If Mrs. Bennett died and Mr. Bennett has a son with a new wife, no Longbourn. Charlotte would still be poor and have little or no wealth or status.
We forget why people married back then. It generally wasn't for love, at least not in the upper class, and was often arranged by parents in order to secure an advantageous alliance (as with Darcy and Lady Catherine's daughter). Male and female roles were clearly defined; love was just a bonus, if you were lucky. Charlotte was just being practical.
That so fits with the title and its prejudice across the the three classes, upper, middle and lower. Each had it's own faults and own benefits. Pride in being married no matter to whom.
Unless a woman had money of her own marriage was the only future for her. The only career open to a middle or upper class woman was that of governess which was worse than being a servant.
Yes, Elizabeth was quite modern for her times. And the story ended well but it’s a novel in the end. What if Wickham had never married Lydia and the family’s reputation had been ruined? And Darcy and Bingley not asked the older sisters in marriage? Maybe Jane would have found someone to marry since she is the most beautiful and known in her good character but not really anyone rich or probably not young or otherwise someone who is not most ideal partner. The youngest girls would not have gotten proposals. Maybe Elizabeth would have realized at that point that their family situation in future looks dire and would be willing to compromise her ideals but it still would not have been easy to find someone to marry and it would have been really stressed. Even if both older girls would get some marriages they probably could not support the youngest well after Mr Bennet dies. And it could have been that the Lydia affair would have had so great effect none of them could have found good marriages (meaning marriages in their own or near their own class to at least decent people).
That’s why Elizabeth turning down two proposals is so unexpected and high praise worthy and bit worthy of criticism too. Darcy was obviously extremely rich. But even Collins was the heir of Bennet home so even if he wasn’t rich or had a great personality it would have been a comfortable solution for the family. I don't think I would have been able to say no to insuring my family home. But I would have tried to get Mr Collins to actually get interested in Mary, I think they could really even been happy together.
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Agreed.
if mr collins had chosen Mary for a wife he would have been a very happy man.
of all the sistes Mary was the only one that really liked him.
From what I understood, she had a crush on him.
No, he wouldn`t. He wasn`t looking for a vain pseudo intellectual like himself. I think it`s a general misconception that women can expect male admiration simply by being a match to a man intellectually.
Whether she liked him or not would have been immaterial to him. He would never have considered her, as she wasn't pretty or feminine enough for him. Men don't want someone who is similar to them, men want someone who reflects the man they wish they were. That's as true today as it was back then.
Yes, he gave up on the Bennetts when he only had to go for the next in line. Perhaps her attachment would have staled, perhaps not
@@sugarfree1894 When I read prejudiced comments like this which condemn either the entire female gender or the entire male gender, I always think the person needs to widen their social circles. Not everyone is as disappointing as the people you have happened to meet in the past. Give others a chance.
Marriage was about family alliances and securing material comfort, especially for a woman no matter which social class she belonged to. Charlotte had succeeded in this endeavour.
Mr Collins wasn't a bad sort just dorky and silly. Not the best out there but at least he had a good position and would always respect his wife. Actually a good match for the easy going Charlotte.
I don't agree that he would always respect his wife. He is, alongside dorky and silly, arrogant. And obsequious. A truly dreadful combination. I can easily imagine him criticizing Charlotte, and her getting very good at holding her breath and counting to 10.
I feel Charlotte is smart enough to know her husband temperament. She is able to know how to keep her freedom with in society. She often encourages him to do stuff. Think that keep him occupied & out of her way.
Read the book lmao. You’ll HATE him. Everything you said would be proven wrong lmao.
He is annoying and pompous. I'd top myself if I had to stay with that.
Charlotte knew that she would be able to _handle_ Mr. Collins because he was very much like her own father, Sir William Lucas. Austen even gave the two men the same first name!
Good point!
I like the way the book portrays the news being told to the Bennetts. Charlotte went to her friend Lizzy & told her privately. Lizzy's "Impossible" comment was to her friends face--rather rude, but natural. Then, Lizzy didn't feel she was given liberty to share the news, so Sir Lucas came over and announced it himself to the family as a whole. Again, the family was rather rude with their surprise.
This treats it like it was just village gossip & the Bennetts were not of consequence enough for personal notice.
I really think these changes were made in order to speed up the news of Charlotte's marriage; six hours is a long time, but they still needed to compress the novel.
In this adaptation of the novel (the best version in my opinion) the Lucas family home is portrayed as grander and more sumptuous than the Bennet residence, Longbourn House. Whether Jane Austen thought that, however, is uncertain. In Volume 1, Chapter 5, she merely tells us that Sir William had made a 'tolerable fortune' through trade at Meryton and had thus retired 'with his family to a house about a mile from Meryton, denominated from that period Lucas Lodge.'
Evidently, the house had less extensive parkland than the Bennet home, for when Lady Catherine de Bourgh haughtily said that the Bennets had a "very small park", Mrs Bennet replied: “It is nothing in comparison of Rosings, my lady, I dare say; but I assure you it is much larger than Sir William Lucas’s.” (Volume 3, Chapter 14.)
I could envision Sir Lucas putting all his wealth from trade after he sold his business into a new fancy house, that didn't have much land connected to it. While the Bennets lived in an old family home connected to land they owned and had tenants on. Looking at their houses, one might think the Lucases are richer or higher status. But the Bennets, who have a long history of being gentry/landowners, are higher in status and likely have a move stable and higher yearly income.
Personally, I believe they..the Bennetts that is, had a longer standing of rank in time, but not necessarily a superior financial position to the Lucas's in total assets. That was my impression they were lateral. The Lucas's were newly arrived to such a standing, that is in comparison to the Bennetts, reserved by Mr Bennett's position especially. Remember, there was yearly income to be counted & the book made mention that Mr. Bennett, thru expecting a son, imprudently had not laid back properly enough income throughout the years, thru efficacy secured ample enough money for the girls dowry to match or appear attractive to other upper-rank families in search of suitable members to marry. He had not managed substantially adequate in appeal to other ranking societal-tiered families. This, of course was how the upper societies preserved wealth, by combining each others & passing it on to descendants, who in turn did the same with subsequent generations. This tradition however presented an impediment to the most worthy girls, a misfortunate occasion. Thus I believe the motivation behind Mrs. Bennett's obsession, rather was the reason why Mrs Bennett was driven with a singular idea of marriage in mind to rich young men, putting her girls in the way of attachments formed & linked an upper echelon. Simply her narrow mindedness on the subject of matrimony, because of this short sighted blunder, on the part of Mr. Bennett preoccupied & who thought a solution would be provided, perhaps by Providence. At any rate whoever's fault incurred the deficit, there wasn't enough saved up to secure the lifestyle they were raised in & cast an appeal towards others who could. Mrs. Bennett troubled by this de facto condition realized they were reliant on a good match to meet expectations & the entail on the estate made matters even worse & increased Mrs Bennett's passionate zeal for a suitable marriage, much to the chagrin of the whole family, who the eldest of which felt the pressure at every turning. Uncomfortable to be sure, except they had each other, the girls paired by personalities in consolation their mother's nervous anxieties & Mary had her studies & artistic development to occupy her thoughts & provide escape. Whatever Mrs Bennett's faults were, exposed as they were for the whole world to see, such did not include a lack of motherly affection in the sense of desiring her daughter's happiness & well situated, in cared for & contented for life. Though somewhat naive in her intentions in places, voids in comprehension, she had that much in her favor deeply concerned for their future prosperity & no one knew better than herself marrying (then) was indeed a livelihood for women.
In those days, women being restricted other avenues of securing an income. Without marrying well, the girls would of, at their parents death been thrust in uncertain circumstances if unmarried & likely would of had to be employed teaching other wealthy families children, as a governess. A ladies occupation for they were educated & this talent was marketable & in demand. However it lowered their standing & reduced chances of marrying well even further in remote an event to happen.
In addition Mr. Lucas had been Mayor & recognized by his Soveriegn, so all in all they were very close in style & that's why they associated together, because that's how the times were defined, was by social standing, give in take very few exceptions to the rule. A rule of which to us fans of Austen made a spectacular story based on how Elisabeth & Jane rose amidst such obstacles placed in their way. Both elevated thru such sublime character who were recognized, as good fortune to attach what was deemed honorable, by the gentleman of choice two priceless jewels to possess such feminine a genteel grace, ardently endowed superior to riches. True heart's both capable of life's devotion, amicable & loving partners, intelligent & beautiful to behold.
Our excellent choice of romance in story superbly written.
The Bennet family home, Longbourn House, and its estate were well worth inheriting. Consequently, the parents of Charlotte Lucas were delighted that their eldest daughter was going to marry Mr Collins:
‘Sir William and Lady Lucas were speedily applied to for their consent and it was bestowed with a most joyful alacrity . . . . Mr Collins’ . . . prospects of future wealth were exceedingly fair. Lady Lucas began directly to calculate with more interest than the matter had ever excited before, how many years longer Mr Bennet was likely to live.’ Pride and Prejudice, Volume 1, Chapter 22.
Charlotte marrying Mr. Lucas also granted some security to the Bennett sisters, since they were close friends. Charlotte probably would have taken the girls in as poor relations.
A little tone deaf of Charlotte to say to Lizzie that she only asked for 'a comfortable home' considering that the 'comfortable home' in question would eventually be Lizzie's!!!
yeah 'ouch' ! - still Charlotte has a point in wondering if Lizzie is surprised just because Mr C couldn't gain Lizzie's affections
Charlotte would someday be in a position to help her family and friends if the need arose. Given her practical mindset, that was probably a consideration in her acceptance.
Well Charlotte was close to being past marrying age and would die a spinster if she didn't marry. She was likely thinking of security for her and her family.
Clearly she didnt mean that but you are so right ha ha ha what a slap in the face! XD
Charlotte would have ended up homeless without a marriage...She's being pretty literal about her practical options here and Lizzie wouldn't take it the wrong way.
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The soundtrack and costumes were masterly done and magnificent which bring us to the regency era enormously and undeniably the best and great experience and feelings while watching this masterpiece interpretation of the great Ms. Jane Austen literary masterpiece of all time.
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You're taking the piss. The acting was horrendous, it doesn't have a soundtrack, the clothes are washed out, the sets are dull and boring scenes go on and on forever and 100% of the series is boring scene after boring scene.
It is a good match materially and logically. When Mr Collins inherits Longbourn he can practically retire as a clergyman and employ a curate to do his work for him. Charlotte will then be mistress of Longbourn and be near her parents.
However when we see her later on in the serial being vexed by Mr Collins ridiculous obsession with Lady Catherine, it makes you wonder whether it was worth it!
She did married him for better or worse
well as Charlotte herself said when Lizzie visited her sometimes a whole day passes without her seeing or talking to her husband. And Charlotte is after all Mistress of her own household and not stuck as an old maid so she knew what she was getting into she knew her husband was a fool and but she doesn't have to spend that much time with him apparently so that makes her happy and if they ever have kids she'll devote herself to her kids and have even less to do with her husband probably.
Hopefully, the children look like Charlotte.
Charlotte's acceptance of Mr. Collins proposal made me think about some things. In life, you get what you settle for. Elizabeth didn't settle. She knew what she wanted and valued. She saw her father's and mother's relationship and did not want to make the same mistake.
She gambled a lot. Chances were, she would have ended up a lot worse than her mother and her father. It's a novel and things were arranged so she won. In real life, she would have been more likely to have lost.
In real life, Lizzy would be insane to decline an offer of marriage like mr. Darcy. Given her financial situation and relatives, mr. Collins was right that she likely wouldn't recieve other offers.
Knowing the various types of personalities human beings possess, I believe there were women during that time who stood firm in their beliefs regarding the kind of marriage they desired who decided to wait and marry for love. I believe Jane Austen wrote this story based on various situations she had observed.
Jane Austen refused a marriage proposal herself (actually she accepeted it and then changed her mind the next day) and she never married. Her sister Cassandra's fiance died, and so she also never married. And after their father died, Jane, Cassandra and their mother lived with the financial help of their brothers.
As much as I love Pride and Prejudice, I don't think it is realistic at all. A woman in Elizabeth's position would probably accept Mr. Collin's offer for the sake of the family. But that's why the book is so much better than reality.
@@Line... no, a person's character spoke more of him than his money. During the first ball, even though everyone knew he earned 10000 a year, but he was still not desired due to his rude conduct. Lizzy being even higher than that can't present herself to be served in such a manner that he pitied her.
Plus her this temperament is what makes us modern genes to enjoy this book more heartfully.
They do Charlotte's hair plain and simple because in the book she's described as bad looking. Yet the actress is very pretty. I love this series but in some of the characters the physical appearance was off what had been described in the book. Jane Bennet is another example. I am not saying she is bad looking but never prettier than JE playing Elizabeth. And Jane was supposed to be a beauty. Also Lydia looks older than Kitty, and she is supposed to be 2 years younger. I think the casting in the 1980 version is more spot on, in terms of looks. I also prefer the Mrs and especially the Mr Bennett from the 1980 version.
Physically, the actress playing Jane embodies the “English rose“ that was seen as the womanly ideal back in those days. But I think she also did a very good job in capturing the serenity and sweetness and light ascribed to the “ideal woman“ at that time.
If you look up Regency fashion plates, which tended to portray the contemporary "female beauty ideal", they often look like the actress who plays Jane. She doesn't embody modern ideas of female beauty, but she does embody the ideals of the era that this was set in. I agree about Lydia's casting. I think Julia Sawalha overdoes the youthful exuberance to try and compensate for the fact she's quite a bit older than her character (she was older than Jennifer Ehle!)
Someone else who remembers the version from the 1980s! It was also a superb version with a wonderful Elizabeth and Darcy.
Jane looks like a Greek statue.
Soledad Ferrer I can’t see anyone but JE playing Elizabeth so it doesn’t bother me that it differs from the book. I don’t think Darcy would have described her “fine eyes” if she weren’t also pretty, just in a different way than the conventional beauty Jane displayed. Jane is the Grecian goddess and Elizabeth is the Botticelli.
Lizzie was being impractical and overly judgmental of Charlotte at first.
I think that the scene in the book was better arranged. Charlotte Lucas tells Elizabeth about her engagement herself in private, before the rest of the Bennets, Elizabeth reacts, and then Charlotte explains herself. THEN when Sir William comes in person to announce the engagement the Bennets act inappropriately and Elizabeth confirms his story.
So what? This obviously IS NOT THE BOOK. Are you going to keep complaining? It is the best adaptation ever made.
She was very sensitive and sincerly they were a very happy couple
Jane Austen is clearly conflicted on the topic of marrying partners you don't love. She can see the practicality of Charlotte's argument but! Let's not forget that she didn't marry herself. The dilemma of the unmarried woman, very significant for the times!
Jane was very sickly too - that likely entered into the equation.
I understand it a very good arrangement. I hope Charlotte will find some value to cherish in Mr. Collin. Charlotte said that she is not “romantic and never she was...” it only means she had not find love yet. I really wish she will never meet her Mr. Right coz then she will be very tortured.
I always figured that perhaps Charlotte simply had no interest in romance. Some people are just like that. So in her case she would view it in practical terms to achieve her goals of living a secure life for her and her family.
Your last sentence sums it up well. You can't miss what you've never had. And Collins seems to care for her and respect her and he gets on well with her parents. She will have children to love and bring her joy. She will have love in her life.
So long as they don't have to sleep in the same bed.
Gross, hopefully the children look like Charlotte.
Eventually they had to, because by the end of the book she is pregnant
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Only long enough to make an heir and a spare one more if she can at her age just for good measure cuz infant mortality was still pretty high back then. Then her job is done as far as sleeping with him.
one of my favorite scenes from this adaptation
This proves is that Lizzies gut instinct was on the ball with this creep Mr Collins.
Ewww, poor Charlotte, but hope she will be happy! The very thought of him in bed, ewwwe!
True. But then, Charlotte had a painfully realistic view of the matter (not sure how much she knew about the physical aspect of this... ewww indeed!). Looks like she didn't have other offers, she wasn't getting any younger, and didn't have enough money to her name to sweeten the pot. So... take what you can, be respectably married... close your eyes and think of England. Mr. Collins' last letter indicates that Charlotte was in the family way... so there would be children to devote herself to. Something to think of. She wasn't the first nor the last to take a no-nonsense view of such matters.
@@thekingsdaughter4233 True. Charlotte did not have any other chances but marry Mr Collins, as she wasn't rich or beauty like other girls of the neighborhoid and was already 27. She choose the best future for herself.
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Agreed about the bed part. I doubt he bathes or removes his nightshirt.
The King's Daughter : I think Charlotte’s pragmatism also reflects the difference in status between the Lucas family and the Bennetts. Her father was a more recent arrival to the gentry and the Bennett family appeared to be a bit longer established even if they weren’t extremely rich.
I also think Charlotte’s decision and marriage is meant to show the difference between choosing a strictly practical/financial match and Elizabeth’s determination for a more compatible husband. Neither decision is “wrong.” Elizabeth passed on an unsuitable offer and found happiness with a true partner. Charlotte accepted Collins with the full understanding she would be relatively lonely but might see material rewards in the future. Both women were satisfied.
Elizabeth was also willing to risk more than Charlotte. Collins was no prize but Charlotte accepted him so she could enjoy married life and possible future prosperity. Unless Mr. B. outlives Collins, the odds are in her favor. Elizabeth didn’t necessarily care for wealth (but realization of Darcy’s fortune probably impressed her) but she wanted/needed a man she could respect and look up to. She passed on Collins, got “semi jilted” by Wickham (definitely worse than Collins) and accepted Darcy because she luckily got a 2nd Chance. She could just as easily ended up single and “on the shelf.”
"But he's ridiculous"
Charoltte is a beautiful woman who’s gonna marry a pumpkin of a man
This was a brilliant adaptation of the story. The movie with Keira Knightly was cringe worthy it was so bad.
it was! that film was SO bad
The mother was more realistic in that version, but the Charlotte was much less intelligent.
I think this Mr Collins, David Bamber's interpretation, is THE BEST! So slimy, pompous but groveling at the same time!
Elizabeth: Girl I could never-
Lizs shock..
Charlotte sensible..how can she?
Xplains her reacn..but still its wise on her part
Due to this choice..Darcy gets to meet Liz at Rosings..
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Clever writing Austen
To get this couple together
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It seems like Charlotte made a good choice.
What could Charlotte A Beautiful Creatures such as she could you have in common with Mr Collins he has the personality of a dried wall
Money, children, a home of her own, and Longbourn when Mr. Bennett passed away.
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Да, сыграно прекрасно! Мерзейший персонаж получился. Насколько практичная должна была быть Шарлотта, что бы принять его предложение...
In this version of pride and prejudice charlotte is more handsome than Lizzy to my mind.
Charlotte is wise, she teaches Elizabeth to see beyond her eyes and appreciate the love offered to her instead of despising it.
Claudia Con, your single sentence does not tell me enough about what you are really saying. Charlotte will find material comfort with Mr. Collins and that has real value. However, they are ill suited to each other and Charlotte seems to despise Mr. Collins, which will probably result in a great deal of unhappiness for both of them. I would hope that over time both of them would grow to see what each has to offer and find happiness together, but I suspect that Charlotte and Mr. Collins will withdraw from one anther and live in the same house as strangers.
I meant that Elizabeth has never made any effort to try to appreciate Mr Collins. Her first impression was negative and she never change her mind about her cousin, but she recognize that despise Charlotte is not romantic and aiming to have a material comfort, she accept Mr collins as husband, gives him an opportunity to be known better. Going to visit them in Kent, Elizabeth understand that they might not have been in love with each other but that the existing mutual affection between them is more than enough to give them a happy marriage. I believe that after the holiday in Kent she beginning to change: Elizabeth start to realize that she is maybe too harsh in her judgment and people are not always as they appear. And when discover the real characters of Wickam and Darcy, she re-evaluated Mr Collins too.
@@claudiacon It's a good point actually. I don't totally agree - I think the main point is that Lizzy's romanticism and Charlotte's sense need to be married together. So no, I don't think Charlotte made a good choice in marrying Mr Collins. It was an understandable choice, given the era, so I don't want to be too harsh about that. But the fact remains that he isn't of "good character." He's respectable enough, but Lizzy could see from the start that he was stupid and arrogant. He's not entirely mean-spirited, and Lizzy does recognise this in the end. But that doesn't cancel out his other faults. Romantic attraction is important in a marriage, and it's good that Lizzy wasn't prepared to marry a man she wasn't in love with. At the same time, Charlotte did teach her that some people deserve a second look, and that first impressions aren't always the most reliable. Darcy turned out to be sensible, well-principled, caring and generous. He still had faults, but Lizzy learns to appreciate his good character, and they both learn that they need to change aspects of their behaviour (namely the pride issue). Collins is so stuck in his self-importance that he can't see any faults in himself.
I agree that Charlotte is practical, but is she truly being wise? Later on, even Charlotte realizes she chose a man she's bored with and probably should not have married because he natters on endless about Lady Catherine de Bourgh. Charlotte
sounds almost desperate in a later scene when she asks Elizabeth if Lizzie will write her.
Also Charlotte says that she encourages her husband to be in the garden as much as possible so she doesn't spend too much time with him.
Claudia I'll have to disagree with you again, and with those who said Elizabeth came on to reevaluate Mr. Collins after she visited them in Kent. Remember, when Lydia ran away with Mr. Wickham, Mr. Collins paid a visit to them in Longbourn, to give his "condolences" and to remark that what Lydia has done would harm all the other sisters forever. At that point, Elizabeth finds a way to drive him away and then she remarks that she thinks he only came to Longbourn to show them how fortunate his choice of wife was when he didn't marry one of the Bennets, and that he was an insufferable man. So yeah, she was right about his ill character from the very beginning and I don't believe Charlotte saw beyond Elizabeth's view, as if she saw qualities in Mr. Collins that no one could see. It didn't happen, she was only saving herself from being a burden to her parents.
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When you plain you marry the fool. I'd rather work all my life.
You wouldn't had been available to work in anything that was profitable in that time.
Working wasn’t an option if you were a woman in that era. Women had no rights, they were considered legal property of their fathers, husbands, or next male relative. Women were kept out of most professions and the ones they could work (governess, maid, housekeeper, factory worker, teacher) weren’t exactly pathways for economic freedom. And being a single woman was really frowned upon, women could only gain social status by marriage. Better to marry the fool.
In Charlotte's day this was not possible, certainly not in Charlotte's social status. She did the only sensible thing, there was no other path open for her except spinsterhood which often meant penury.
Not an option for a respectable middle class woman then. Charlotte could have become a governess which was a lonely life as she would have been considered below the social level of her employers but the servants would not have accepted her as one of them, because she lived "above stairs"
More likely is that she would have been considered the family spinster and a nuisance
The final option being to get married - nothing fine or romantic more like any port in a storm. This is what she chose. She would do her duty,She would keep the place nice and be a good, economical housewife.
@@stephaniemay792 I don't even think Charlotte (or even the Bennet girls) had enough education and refinements to become governesses either. They were truly screwed. Too uneducated to work as a governess. Too high class/inexperienced to work as servants (and who would volunteer for that life?!). Too poor (small dowries) to attract lots of suitors. Without supportive fathers/brothers/uncles/male relatives, they had very few options.
I fear those i love would become wicked and ready to leave their better judgment behind because every one else is doing it. To think like miss lucas for example.
If they choose to be wicked upon their own accord they would at least have management on their own destiny
And do their deeds good or evil
At their own discretion
as human beings
Not like the life of hyacinths
that float along the water way
Unaware of where the tide
takes them too.
Очень нравится актриса в роли Шарлотту, на мой взгляд она самая красивая в этом фильме. Прической намеренно упростИли ее лицо?!.
Class system in Europe.....
Lizzy lost her favorite Mr Collins... 🤧
Honestly, Mister Collins is not a bad guy. Just a bit dorky and fawning. But I never found him to be repulsive, per se. I mean, Darcy has had less personality for like three quarters of the story, and is held up as a romantic ideal lol.
I prefer the scene in the newer movie with lizzie on the swing. She was flabbergasted that her friend would choose such an odious toad. And her friend was like "dont judge me! I dont have your options! I'm 27 and already a burden to my parents!" The feelings were more intense.
But not true to the book, and quite rude of both of them.
@@yamyrm3687 I agree. This version is more with the etiquettes of the time.
jinxiejae More intense, but not Austen. The 2005 version ruined the character of Charlotte, whose actions represented a certain aspect of early 18th century society. Charlotte unapologetically makes the practical choice while Jane and Elizabeth hold out, not for passion, but for mutual respect, compatibility, and love.
I HATE the modernization. It’s unfaithful to the novel and really unfair to Charlotte’s character. Charlotte was NOT “desperate and frightened” into accepting Mr. Collins. Mr. Collins is actually a decent catch by the era’s standards. Charlotte accepted he would be no intellectual or emotional companion to her. In return she got a respectable, albeit silly and unattractive husband who would inherit a family estate close to her own family. To her it was a fair deal.
Elizabeth’s father supported her refusal because it’s obvious to everyone that she and Mr. Collins aren’t a good (or even decent) match.
A Masion Because Mr. Bennet knows how miserable an incompatible relationship an be-he married for passion.
No surprise Elizabeth, not Charlotte, is the leading character
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Imagine having to have seggs with him lord have mercy
I know! In the book, when I read she was pregnant, I was like 🤢 poor Charlotte
He's grossssss
Even worse, it's the idea that this is the only man she will ever have sex with.
lucky charlotte
Wow
This actress is not near plain enough to true the the book. She seems too young also
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I think Charlotte is a lesbian. She knew that any man she married was going to gross her out so she might as well take Mr. Collins and spare some straight woman the agony of having to sleep with him.
No. If she's anything she's asexual and has no interest in romantic entanglements. Just the practical side as she states.
No, she's just realistic.
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I don't think Charlotte is a lesbian, but the mere idea and image of her choosing Mr. Collins so no other woman will have to lay with him is hilarious
I wonder if Charlotte was not a closet lesbian, "I am not romantic." Mr. Collins is portrayed here as an unctuous homosexual, so it would make an interesting match.
@B Lor How do you interpret, "I am not romantic?"
@@DCFunBud Literally. As in, she was a girl raised from childhood knowing she'd be sold off in an arranged marriage at some point and her one job in life was to get married to a man who'd "elevate the family fortune." Considering that Collins' patroness was a person of great importance, she certainly succeeded in that. These books were written by women in a time where they wanted to marry for love but did not. That would start to come later in the Victorian period. So... Charlotte is practical-minded. Not a goddamn lesbian.
And inferring gays are not romantic is gross btw.
@@blissinchains And you are a goddamn homophobic bigot, btw.
@B Lor Some people have to assume gay characters in everything. But in this case no. Charlotte just has no interest in romance and some people are like that. She probably viewed marriage as a contract for security.
@@blissinchains No, homosexuality is gross "btw".