The Consequences of Finding ET's Signal
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ธ.ค. 2018
- It is impossible to know when we will get our first contact and what this message will say, but we know that this discovery will have an ethical and political impact on our world. And then what will happen next? Will the detection of ET be dangerous or beneficial for humankind? Will it change everything, including our place in the universe or will we simply continue our life knowing that ‘We are not alone’?
For more than four decades, astronomers have been searching for techno-signatures: signals coming from distant technological civilizations. The first SETI searches began in the 1960s by searching for extraterrestrial radio waves and have more recently expanded to include optical (visible) signals, such as powerful laser pulses. We know that, like technological progress, the search is also accelerating, evolving with the development of new antenna arrays and new networks of telescopes which will soon be capable of listening to the entire sky, everywhere, and all the time.
To discuss these points, we invited four SETI researchers: Julia DeMarines, Astrobiologist and Science Communicator at the UC Berkeley SETI Research Center, Doug Vakoch, President of METI, Eliot Gillum, director of LASER SETI and Seth Shostak, Senior Astronomer at the SETI Institute. - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
No one will find us if you use these audio levels.
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On the topic of how the discovery of life will change us: I think that most people will think: "Wow, life on other planets exists?! That's big. Now, back to ironing my shirt for work tomorrow". ie it won't have that big an impact at all.
I'm afraid you're probably right. One thing we seem to have lost is a sense of Wonder.
Too Busy, Busy, Busy with everyday mediocrity and chasing money FFS !
They’ll be the few freakers but for the most part us general citizens would like to know a solid answer with proof
I disagree, I expect worldwie carnage amongst the religeous crazies as all thier beliefs are instantly disproved in a single scentence. They will cause absolute havoc and scream to murder the "Ungodly" or some equally baffaling gabage excuse.
Interviews begin at 11:45
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Thanks, Richie
Thank you.
Wish I read your comment at 1 minute in, not 12 minutes in!! LOL..
When I start watching a panel about "The Consequences of Finding ET's Signal" I really dont want to spend the first 13:45 mins hearing intros and then 30 secs about the issue promised in the title.
So what did you watch that was only 14 minutes and 15 seconds long? We must have watched different videos... the one I watched dedicated well over an hour to the main topic.
Very interesting! I always enjoy hearing Seth talk. Such a cheeky bugger but he tells it how he sees it and that's more often how it actually is!
@ Ned
Indeed, the rest is often selective as hell and above all they often contradict themselfs; that Eliot fellow is a prime example of this.
*Its wouldn't be RF it would be neutrino laser beams which would be the next logical step once you get technology. Our technology is only about 100-120 years old since we got the electricity hooked up. RF is like an old spark gap transmitter or telegraph in the grand scheme of things*
I enjoy the conferences and presentations of SETI Institute but the audio of this one is bad.
folks I love your videos and talks, but the audio is very low on this vid!!
Try turning up your volume. DUH
@@daveb5041 My volume is at maximum, and I can barely hear the video.
@@SuperTonyony download a volume booster app
I recommend buying a large blue tooth speaker, that's what I do
@@patrickevital1896 those boosters have never worked for me🤷
54:20 He could hardly have guessed just how potently his example was illustrated. just a couple years later.
That reference to some drunk argentinian messaging ET was quite specific, better start reviewing my security.
Just keep it to 2-3 drinks
I would send in a METI message that we are not seeking knowledge of what extraterrestrial life is or what they know, but that we have a hope for them, and that we are seeking a possible hope from them if they wish to share some. I go with Richard Rorty’s superbly useful vision: seek hope in place of knowledge. Then we can go from there.
Also, since an incoming (or even outgoing) METI could come in (or out) it is still possible that middle man attacks could happen, so our distances away from each other would be a great limitation.
That’s why I like to think we have a more realistic chance finding Angels within us, and so for twelve years I myself have been writing about my own whom I talk to all of the time, who are my companions too.
Angels are easier Beings who convey hope than ones we are not in close contact with.
Here is a hopeful audiobook book I wrote with Angels: th-cam.com/video/lmqZbi7jzZI/w-d-xo.html. It is called “Why I am a Writer 3.”
This was an awkward panel at best... it just didn't feel like good chemistry, and no satisfying results. I would have hoped that SETI proponents would present more compelling and more clear arguments.
39:52 "...are we alone " "Something every kind of human has thought of once in their life " I'm not sure just what "every kind of human" means, but I'm pretty sure most humans never think about this ever. And if they do; I don't think it relates to intelligent life on other planets, but to ghosts and spirits and that sort of thing.
Well said.
The discovery of an alien civilization as amazing as it would be, wouldn’t eliminate human greed, conflict over resources, ideological conflicts and everything else our species has done since we climbed down out of the trees. And consensus is a pipe dream and even if it were to be taken seriously, then the time to talk about it was decades ago when we started reaching out
I don't normally like science related panel discussions..they tend to be to wishy washy. Not the case here, brilliant discussion and made me consider some new perspectives such as Seti is Meti in sheep's clothing. More videos like this please, this is a big subject which discussion progresses.
How do you realize, you are receiving a ET's signal from this seti@home software? How do you work with BOINC?
They’ve put seti@home into hibernation 😕
We asume that ET uses radio for communications, but maybe they communicate by other means, meaning we’ll never find a radio ET signal. But, just in case, is well worth the search by radio.
We don't 'assume' that, it's just the best way we have to search for them.
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We do asume that.
What about Arecibo's response ? May someone tell anything about it?
Please, they are here etc. It is awesome to see the capability of their craft in the sky!
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Conscious beings in our galaxy would know where here but their probes haven't got within our reach yet. We also have not discovered any signals so far... Sooner or later we will meet our neighbours.
I personally believe that the US, UK,China, Russia, India and probably Japan are in contact with several extraterrestrial races.
That we in fact allow clandestine surveillance and limited abductions in trade for desired technology.
The UFO phenomena of late , the substantially increased sightings and reported abductions scream ' we are here "
I also believe that the majority of sightings are of human origin. Very likely reverse engineered technology of course, but some are the real thing.
I've personally seen unexplainable 'craft'' on two separate occasions.
One the typical or classical silver orb.
The other was quite different. It was in the boomerang shape and used stealth technology to make it near invisible.
It wasn't perfect. Obviously, or I wouldn't have been able to see it. But it was pretty good.
They employed the same tech the US military uses. Where what is behind the artifact or vehicle is displayed on the front.
It was in a cold, blue cloudless sky so there was nothing to display on the side or surface facing me.
It looked like a semi solid fog.
Fear is the one who make us won't find the truth
As history has proven, civilizations come and go with time. With that being said, we will never have enough time to sustain this effort to the point of 2 way communication.
Thus they need multi-way communication, like a survey forum?
Depends on how many civilizations there are.
Even if we could never establish 2-way communication with an alien civilization then it would be like a message in a bottle. We would know that they once existed. We would send out our own message in a bottle to say that if you are still around then know that we found out about you, and here are some photos to show what we were like. Actually, in some other video someone called it a time capsule. It might have been Seth. If we could ask aliens anything, my first question would be, "Who else have you heard from? Who else was out there?"
I wonder, if life elsewhere started on 2 bodies in the same system at the same time and knew about each other, would they also have a desire to find life elsewhere?
Or would they, knowing life does exist elsewhere, not have the same desire to search for it.
Grumpy Hobbit . They would most likely assume the other was a threat, and all the fun consequences that come with such assumptions.
Great question. I've never heard that before.
@@Vlasko60 I’ve never thought of that either! Great question!!
jUST FOR SETH! IF ET LANDED AND SAID YOU WANT TO COME AND SEE, WOULD YOU GO? I WOULD IN A HEARTBEAT.
Disappointed with the technical nature of the discussion missing the elephant in the room. What will it mean for mankind to recieve proof of intelligent life. In my view this could be very problematic, as the huge industry called religion may/will feel threatened by this knowledge, as it gives answers they themselves have failed to - even though they purport to have the answers to creation and everything thereafter. The religions will fight each other over who this new knowledge confirms as the true religion, and others will actively fight against and forbid any follower to have any contact with this new heresy. Could well lead to world wars putting an end to it all. Some might even try to engineer that end as doomsday cults have a habit of thinking in such ways.
Do see the difficulties with cross breeded Neanderthals still suffering with primitive traits the advanced travelers haven't been back yet to check on there experiment.
Well, the Vatican already has an Ambassador to ET. Just ready to suck em into their fake religion/agenda.
everyone at SETI would be out of a job, for once.
Haha!!
I think the most likely outcome of all of this is that we eventually find that there's a civilization (or are civilizations) out there and we establish communication with them, but the great distances involved prevent us from visiting one another. I think that would be just great - think how fascinating it would be to learn about all that.
Problem is that radio signals travel at the speed of light and it still takes years for a signal just to reach the edge of our Galaxy.
I would think that if we are able to communicate, then they quite possibly have solved the problem of interstellar travel, because we are trying.
They probably are much more advanced than we are, because if less advanced than us, we wouldn't be talking.
You "forgot" to include theologians and philosophers in this dialog. A major omission.
Hey bob! There is a 40ft white tic tac hovering in Front of the dish! We cant receive shit like this! You are right bill, call the cops!
Very interesting.
Do Ets commenting on youtube video constitute as contact ?
We have...and do.
@@naturelevi444 lol, same here
80 Hz filter to stop the popping!
good talk guys
I fell asleep and this is what was on when I woke up 😂
You're lucky. Most people on Earth will never stumble across or search for this video.
Anticryptography is not THAT hard for simple messages. We have a periodic table of the elements and any other technological civilization would have something similar. We know how many planets we have around our Sun, and if we're able to triangulate their signal, we'd know how many they have. We know they must have numbers, and as far as we know, numbers work the same everywhere. We could send the atomic number for elements important to our biology (oxygen, carbon, etc). If they have 1 star and 5 planets, we could send a simple message like "8 (pause) 1 (longer pause) 5 (pause) 1 (stop)." That should read as "We see you over there." We've identified ourselves by the number of planets we have with 1 star, and we identify them with 5 planets and 1 star.
You mentioned numbers and said that they work the same everywhere.
That's quite true. Unless they are using a different base for numbering. We use base 10 on Earth in most cases.
If the alien society has say, 8 digits on their ' hands ' its likely they would use base 8 in counting.
If that's the case, it would be nearly impossible to communicate any math to them or understand anything they sent.
I will add one more thought.
The very nature of intelligence also suggests an appreciation for life.
I believe that higher intelligent beings will be less likely to be violent or dangerous. It is the primitive beings that will be prone to violence.
In my thinking the more intellectually advanced the less likely they will be a threat. In fact they might be the key to our own survival.
Unless they have encountered other less advanced beings in the past and it didn't work out well. Perhaps the less advanced possibly attacked out of fear. If so, their first thought might be to dominate right off the bat so as to not be worried about a repeat.
Are seti talks back? Yay!
29:53 The Brookings report touched on societal impacts, and called for follow up studies to be done on how disclosure should be approached. If just one of those studies found that disclosure represented a threat to national security then absolutely, an announcement could be shut down. AFAIK any detection announcements must go through a vetting process which includes a governmental layer. There are thousands of reasons not to disclose based on the particular civilisation discovered itself, and only one in favour - that people have an ethical right to know. This kind of ethical consideration does not tend to fare well against national security concerns.
ive got some of it from there hidden in the gravity wave detectors white noises
The Earth is but a dust mote suspended in a ray of light that's streaming through a widow in the wall of a vast cathedral.
Well it's much tinier than that, by quadrillions of degrees. And then some. So even that description speaks volumes to your own natural human ego.
The largest star, ahem, I mean galaxy in the universe isn't even remotely the size of a most of dust in a cathedral
USS Nimitz Commander David Fravor might be interested in donating.
I think when the aliens land the first words out of their mouths will be "wheres Lucy and Ricky"?
I don't see how a signal in about 200 years from now , can be picket up 500 light years from the earth , the signal travels by the speed of light , right ? 200 light years is 200 light years ? They'll have to wait more 300 light years for that to arrive , to be exact !
The volume is too low.
42:27 Do you think he means parentheses?
I think the contact has been made. They are communicating through the internet. It appears to me that this video is a confirmation that this has been known by some for a while now. Explaining the confirmation process to the masses is the tricky part. Isn't it?
phys.org/news/2018-12-quantum-superposition-revivals.amp
You might be right.
The internet would be a good, safe way to monitor reaction to contact.
When will SETI discuss what the pentagon has released...
Thanks SETI , makes you think...
Maybe the "et's" read the petty bickering in this comment stream and said f... em'
Holy crap, what an overly-long intro when the talk is titled The Consequences of Finding ET's Signal. You know, that first segment unrelated to the actual stated topic could have simply been removed prior to posting on TH-cam. Anyway folks, the topic begins at 8:50 , and the panelists are introduced at 10:20.
If you got a message from ET tomorrow, half the populations would assume you're just lying. Sad realization in 2021...
I believe that if an alien civilization had a question for us it would be, "How did you evolve?"
Regarding how to control the information about receiving a signal- much of the conversation sounds silly in light of the likelihood the aliens would be far more advanced than we are. It seems much more likely that the choices will be made by them, not us, as to how and whether we are ready for a contact of this nature. The imaginative speculation is entertaining, but do you really believe visiting aliens will be necessarily concerned with what the UN thinks? Lol.
When we find it we WONT understand it
this video make me believe that we NEVER will get an alien-signal . and the belief that they know where we are is crazy for me now ..
ets dont use radio waves so try looking in the white noises of a hodowanec type gravity wave detector some are hidden there i think
If we can't hear you. Pretty sure ET can't hear you.
This is a very interesting conversation. However, I suspect, some parts of it may be a little naive. One thing we can be sure of is that a specifically directed message would not get a coordinated response. Yes, the UN might get something together but it won't stop there. For a kick off religion would quickly get involved. Big fundamentialist Christianity would probably be first with funding it's own response. Closely followed by Islam. Then other political or institution unions would set up there own communication programs so as not to be left behind or disadvantaged. I can imagine USA through NASA. I can imagine Europe through ESA. I can imagine the Chinese. Before long, our alien "freinds" would be bombarded with a cacophony of random conflicting messages. No doubt they will be confused. No doubt they will also have a true picture of this planets inhabitants.
Yep. Because the Vatican already has an Ambassador to ET, just waiting for acknowledged first contact. We've already had that. Its just not admitted.
I think you've got this backward. We've been beaming messages out into space for decades, the equivalent of jumping up and down waving,screaming here we are.We might be very surprised when some unfriendly species pays us a visit in person.
It's not matter, it's medium. It's infinite, unbroken, and from which all of creation sprang.
Are you God?
God is NOT an individual, but an infinite and eternal Oneness-ness from which we all come from and Return to. We think He/she is an individual because from this ‘side’ we think as individuals.
@@vilis8287 our way of thinking is very primitive. ET’ s are and have been here. There’s more to it than how we’re looking. I feel like we will finally come to the conclusion that our neighbors come from parallel realities that we just don’t quite understand YET. Hopefully we will soon though. Many blessings friend.
I think people would freak
Unfortunately they are most likely all dead or it alive, spacetime is too big to overlap. Great discussion and important.
Bearded dude sounds like Tom Hanks.
CAN'T HEAR !!!!
RAISE THE VOLUME!!!!
@@DimEst19xx TOO LOUD !!!!
For such a technologically advanced and well funded organization you would think they could handle a conference room mic a little more efficiently 🤨... low volume and terrible mic placement
What's crazy is another civilization could have been in the room observing this talk and how would any of us know?
Victor Mendoza your planet is in a mess, we may have to take control if you don’t start using what little intelligence you appear to have 👽
Duh. They check IDs at the door.
Only a dummy would think we're alone .
That isnt necessarily correct. Do your research before you start calling very intelligent people dummies. There has to be a first intelligent life... What if Earth is the home of that first? Why couldn't humans be the first intelligent life out here? Thinking that isnt dumb.
I think we're alone
D'oh!
@ - I used to think something else when I was a child, but now that I'm 50 and I've learned a few things in life, I think you're right! Not alone in the true sense, because I think there is life out there, but it's not life that can come visit us. So we may not be alone, but we are way ahead.
@@HardRockMiner Not so much _way ahead_ as _far apart_ but other than that, nicely put.
But only someone thinking scientifically will admit that we don't currently know whether or not we're alone. As Arthur C. Clarke once said, "Sometimes I think we're alone in the universe, and sometimes I think we're not. In either case, the idea is quite staggering." It seems like there has to be something else. It seems like we can't be alone. But those of us working in astrobiology can't go out looking for something that we assume has to be there (that's just not how science works).
Great talk but it's arrogant to think contact with an advanced civilization will be on *our* initiative. Recent government admissions about UAP make this frame of "contact" seem silly. The galaxy is ancient and humans are new to the scene.
Just a couple hundred years ago we didn't believe life could survive miles deep under the ocean 🤣, yet we think we know what's going on in the larger universe? Get real
In most cases it would only affect writers....Andomioter is 2.3 MILLON light yrs away
I just want to bring the family to look through a massively large telescope and enjoy the starry view
To low cant here
No need to continue after the UAP report showing good evidence of ET visitation
I like the tweet hinting that what we essentially did with the Voyager records and the Pioneer plaques was sending dickpics :-)
If they got a extraterrestrial signal tomorrow ???... A/ I kinda expected that anyway.... B/ It's sort of above & beyond anything I can do anything about so my life would got on just with confirmation that we are really not alone in the universe.
The the gov't shutting everything down & keeping it a secret would be futile & stupid because someone would leak the story....it's too big.
If were broadcasting crap to the universe we might as well send a proper message in reply to them ...I'm assuming they sent the message because of all the crap we've broadcast .
We might have to rewrite a few origin stories. I expect to be amused.
cats and dogs are actually the intelligent life forms here lol
Well I have a fiber optic gravitational wave detection system that can go up to 1 gigahertz detection
What the fuck is this from? Is this a quote? Couldn't timestamp it?
"these go to eleven" -- Nigel Tufnel
Hi, I Am From A Distant Galaxy. Use Superconductors In The Base Of Your Radio Telescope. It's An Invisible Mirror. It Amplifies The Standing Waves And Increases Your Detector Range.
We tried that....it made everything worse😑
NO DATA GIVEN ON PARALLAX ANGLES FROM SYNC USA OR AUSTRALIA
It would result in the draft being reinstated
3 people disliked because they thought this was an actual link to the movie ET.
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Audio a mess.
Don't worry. Before our message gets anywhere will pass millenniums. Before their answer comes back, humanity will long extinguish itself for other reasons and means. By the way signal power drops four times when it doubles the distance. At the end of the solar system, it sounds like noise. We need to pinpoint if we want to send something. So far we don't know where to.
Google servers are just directory though
Sparks. Location
im not as skilled in using audacity software to try bring it out more
What uniqe specialty intelligent life has to look for ?
i believe alien exist! bec trillion n trillion of planets in the universe.
@pfifo fast I believe aliens exist because it's what makes the most sense mathematically. I just find the belief that, out of sextillions of planets in the universe, only one of those planets has life on it, is a bit far fetched. Don't get me wrong, it's definitely a possibility. I just don't think it's very probable.
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shame the volume is so low
tim v volume fine. Turn up volume your end.
turn it up, numbnuts :)
To be fair, the audio could do with some balancing
@@maelwydd1 you really think i didn't have it turned up full ? But thanks for the advice.... I also know to turn the lights on when it's dark
lets hope they operate radio telescopes better than they upload things to you tube
What should the message contain: Ne menjek oda!
When the alien ships go to warp speed they leave those little light trails that we should be able to detect. You're welcome. :)
Exactly, and every situation in space in wrapped up in 60 minute episodes, Once a week...
I tuned in to hear show not to get my pockets gone through
Seth shostack is the most negative ET buzz kill ever.
I am sure we will contact intelligent life in the universe. I am still trying to find intelligent life on this planet.
My tax dollars have funded the National Science Foundations' budgets since I began paying taxes in 1963. Under the aegis of this U.S. bureaucratic agency was project Arecibo, that now lay in ruin. With such social justice bickering and political unrest in the country, why should I have confidence in finding intelligent signals from other worlds when China has the 500 m aperture Tianyan ? Will my tax dollars be going to China to get answers that only they benefit from ? I am adverse to outsourcing this level of information where we fund the start-up operations while they keep the technology, then lease or sell it back to us at their behest.
I fear i won't have 1:22:00 hour of patience. What i'm really looking for is some video that sides by me saying aliens'r' no big deal.
I say tell "them" we have maple syrup for sale! You'd have to read the book...
NO DATA GIVEN ON SIDE BANDS OR AMOUNT OF MAIN CARRIER DEVIATION
Too late already here !!
There's over 200 billion galaxies...
Just hope any ETs don't have their own Gods and Religion, if they do we're f**ked.
If they still have religions, then they're not all that intelligent.