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There have been enough games dropping below the regular VRR floor that Sony should have already implemented the same LFC "solution" as Xbox.
Frankly, I wish you guys would cover, or call attention to, this issue more often because performance issues don't seem to get changed or improved much unless you guys point it out.
Indeed this should be shouted from the roof tops as it's becoming a pretty big issue in my opinion.
Would LFC help games like Final Fantasy 16 ?
I love that my Xbox is in 120hz mode because I love that low input lag
John is watching "The Running Man" in the background. I trust him 100%.
Finally lol. I wondered why there was no video on this. LFC matters. It makes the "quality" mode/30fps a lot more playable. Just remember to buy a freesync premium monitor.
"LFC matters" Agreed! th-cam.com/channels/AiXTBMJdbCLlWzJbWATYSw.html
But there's another problem with the PS5 implementation: it only works with HDMI 2.1 screens. So a lot of quality freesync monitors won't be able to use the console VRR.
It's really a sucky implementation by Sony.
@@bismarckluna 120hz better than 60hz even if VRR is off. Smoother
Xbox One had a hardware compositor that combined different resolution panes from the game and apps before outputting. It's likely the Series consoles are similar, with the final output to the display handled by the OS and not the game, meaning it can issue duplicate updates to the display for LFC if its not receiving new ones from the game.
how does this work?
THIS is my biggest gripe with current-gen consoles. Why cant we just get unlocked framrates with VRR?
PC for life problem solved
Because inconsistent frames arent fun to deal with. 70-120 fps fluctuations is almost as bad as 20-30 fps fluctuations. Still incredibly noticeable and don't feel good to play. It's a console. 1st requirement should be stability always
@@JFinnsdoes it pay to be a loser that tells people to get a PC any chance you get?
@@d8l835not even close to as bad. Frame pacing doesn't take near the hit. Objects move from frame to frame about as far as they should given the time.
@@SlyNine ok, I may be exaggerating a bit there. Forgive me, it's the internet.
Point still stands though, if it's super inconsistent than I would rather take a stable 60.
I have never had a problem playing games at 60fps, sure some games definitely benefit from higher. I have a 4070ti super, I can play at super high fps like everyone else, but most games are perfectly acceptable at 60fps.
When you're jumping from 80s to 100s it's definitely noticeable, and can be a major hindrance during gameplay
Stable is always my choice
I like how the cursor on the home screen moves very smoothly than usual just after returning the PS5 from standby mode, but is it switched to 120Hz on the home screen only at that moment?
If u start the game that runs 120hz your home screen will in 120hz till u start the game that runs 60hz.
where do you ask questions to DF? how to do it? and what is the chance they will voice it and discuss it?
When i had an Series X, I did notice a lower input latency when 120hz was enabled and playing on 60fps games. Wished PS5 had this. Only notice that same low input lag on 120fps games on PS5 and not 60fps
Are we gonna ignore the fact John is watching The Running Man in the background. What a movie!
He's been having it in the background in the past few clips
I just dont get why on ps5 vrr dosent work on hdmi 2.0 and needs hdmi 2.1 to even use it whereas the xbox can use vrr trough hdmi 2.0
It uses the HDMI forum standard, that's why it's only available in HDMI 2.1 above 48fps. It's the most basic implementation they could've used. Very disappointing
If you have an lg oled it is been shown in game mode that both color and brightness are reduced. No playing with settings changes it. The latest lg g4 and c4 have pretty much fixed it, but all models before show some loss in game mode. Remember game mode decreases latency by doing less processing on the image and you get a dimmer less colorful output.
Trivia. What was the first home console ever to feature VRR support?
Sorry let me understand something here. Are you telling me that when VRR is enabled on series X, there’s a 120hz container for every game??? Even if the games don’t have 120hz modes? I don’t have an Xbox only ps5 so please let me know, whoever can allow me to understand this.
If this is the case, this is ridiculous. Sony should have the exact same feature
Edit: I didn’t realise Xbox titles were still locked to 60fps when I made this comment. I misinterpreted it as all Xbox games run at an unlocked frame rate, when that isn’t true. 120hz container is only there so LFC can work properly.
Yes.
That is one thing that I like about the Series X.
On Xbox in the system settings there's an option to enable 120hz system wide all the time, this is a requirement in the VRR spec to enable LFC.
Yes. It is actually the reason why xbox has LFC while PS5 doesn't. Of course, as john said, 60fps on 120hz can cause other motion problems, like double imaging in oleds
So, how this improve my game that is running at 30 ou 60 fps?
Bit off topic but got one of those rare (at least I believe so) TVs that has VRR on a 60hz panel so 48-60fps trigger). Both PS5 and Xbox support it but the PS5 is weirdly better at triggering on fps drops
I paid 2700 for my LG G3 and even tho alot of PS5 Exclusives do have VRR modes but alot of older games are stuck at 30fps I just don't get it. I really hope they fix this somehow
What I really want to know is why ps5 hdr color quality takes a massive dive in 120hz mode vs 60 hz mode. The lesser color volume is noticeable enough that some games I avoid 120 hz 40 fps mode altogether.
My lg c9 oled does that. If I turn off vrr on the ps5 the color looks great. I also disable allm and don’t play in game mode. The picture looks amazing with all of those off but I do have to put up with a little more input latency. The picture looks flat, grey and dead otherwise.
I wonder if that might be specific to your TV. I haven't noticed any difference in color in 120hz vs 60hz on my Hisense U8K. I do notice colors look a bit more dull when HDR is enabled in general, but I haven't noticed anything different between the 60 and 120hz modes.
The PS5 only supports 32GBps on HDMI 2.1, which means it can't get full 4:4:4 chroma at 4k120hz output.
@@Big_Dogg31 this has been the case on multiple hdr 4k 120 hz displays I've tested including a Sony TV. It's the type of thing some people might not notice. It's definitely not the fault of the display as my pc has no issues running full hdr at 120hz or more. Actually my Series S appears not to have this issue in 4k 120hz mode either. That's kinda funny. Heh.
@@bismarckluna I think you're probably correct, it probably does 4:2:2. I wish df would investigate this topic. Hmmmm, I wonder if I plugged it into 1440p display and set the console to output 1440p 120hz if that would save the color volume.
Even plaing normal games in a cinema screen is a great reason to buy psvr2. i play all my games with vr googles on ps5.
Perhaps the mentality is to make developers work harder to get frametimes right, because if everyone banks on inconsistent frames being the norm then that's still a choppier experience than a locked 60, if GameDevs focus on VRR120FPS+LFC which more than likely means most will still target mid-to-low double-digit FPSs then it might not be as big of an issue for displays going from 60 to 59.5fps or 30 down to 29.75(since in 120 container)constantly but for nonVRR120FPS+LFC displays it can be as much as a harsh whole 66ms going from an already low 30 down to a genuine 29, so the feature being a feature means you're expecting Devs to use it but doing so will hurt the vast amount of users who may not have a VRR120FPS+LFC display or those who may not know how to implement it, or choose to play outside of that mode because of the settings that they like to preserve which become unavailable otherwise(I suspect this last thing is the largest reasons since the majority of displays can't use their algorithms correctly if at all at these very fast frametimes so it kinda becomes experience breaking{broken OLEDflickering & broken Local-Dimming being the major ones commonly voiced})
I do think however that the Pro being a Pro should offer more native Pro options since those users are more likely to be technically minded, & the performance overhead of the newer machine should hopefully mean less lower framerates to straddle between. TLDR VRR120FPS ironically makes more sense the higher in FPS you go, this is why it works as well as it does in GT7 because you're deciding from 90+ into 3 digit territory, that's already pretty high, so the judder of unlocked frame is less & less the higher up you go, & the last thing I'd want is for companies to feel more emboldened to make more Sub60 & Heaven forbid Sub30 running experiences as an acceptable standard banking on the displays to pull the weight. It's bad enough I have to use the features on my display to fix Netflix's poor streaming quality, I don't want to have to lean on my screen more then I already do to make games look better, that's my take, well until maybe newer tech' comes out that can work more harmoniously in the future but the current crop of display SoCs are too underpowered IMO to deliver fully without compromise, maybe still it'll make sense later this year with more folks upgrading displays & if we're lucky perhaps there may be a system wide update to all PS5 consoles when 5Pro comes out, IK when 4Pro came out all PS4s got upgraded into HDR capable if memory serves, which was the big deal between XOne(SDR) going to XOneS(with HDR)so fingers crossed
The last thing & I'm giving it it's own looong paragraph because of how useful of a feature I personally find it is, is that it will affectively break advanced motion smoothing for low(or even higher{but most useful for low})FPS content on higher end displays that still offer it while under low input Game Mode such as Sonys which do wonders for 30FPS games because the processing is good enough to look convincingly better without looking like a Telenovela(most Sony users don't even realize it's on by default{this especially includes in gaming}), but if these displays get repeat frames reported as new ones then you will get a horrid buttey to harsh consistently-inconsistent experience since only between the moving frames will there be improvements so the higher FPS affectively looks lower with this default feature which Sony users usually leave on(One because they are usually unaware it's even doing it's thing{but once they try playing low fps stuff without it they realize(if their eyes work)just how premium it is to have the game optimized version of it[only the custom version of it is available in game mode which isn't super aggressive|for even more increased smoothness it needs to be out of game mode for which there is a latency penalty\something at a premium on already latency heavy Half-V-Sync 30FPS applications/|]})So it doesn't make much sense to do 120FPS unless it's all new frames so you have to give up this feature, though because Sonys do double internally of the motion processing natively capable(As a general rule)in other words motion smoothing panel native 120FPS(to internal 240FPS might look near imperceptible(if used)but motion smoothing for 30FPS(where it's actually necessary)will only trigger every 4 native{or 8 virtual}frames in a 120FPS container & you will end up with an exaggerated affect similar to what OLEDs do where the image seems jarring & abrupt(instead of smooth transitions between values). IK many people will think "just turn the feature off" because they have poor experiences(on other devices&modes)but on a Sony under Game Mode it's a whole different BallGame. Superior Sony Motion Processing is why many if not most users pay premium Sony prices(Otherwise coined as the "Sony Tax"), it really dose from my experience pull a ton of weight quality & latency wise for low FPS gaming, no other display in my experience has come close, in fact some time back I had a Sony gaming display(still do)that did this without explaining it clearly & there wasn't even a way to turn it off & switching from that to other displays always made me realize something was missing & I don't know why but I game better with it, maybe because I'm sensitive to still images but it's a must for me & I'll turn the 120FPS container off if I need because Sony's use of motion in game mode actually makes things easier to see, it like calculates camera movement backwards or something, it genuinely feels like it's unbluring motion in one frame to then make multiple frames you can actually see, or if you're motion sensitive as I found out I am in OLEDVR(sample&hold sensitive not motion sickness sensitive)then it better helps convey movement instead of getting hit with a flipbook affect which hurts my gaming. So I feel like until they work out a protocol to actually tell the display which frame need to be ignored for correct processing in a 120FPS container I'll likely turn that container off, for slower story games I already find myself choosing 30FPS over 60FPS because at times the displays motion provides a better experience than giving up 4K clarity since the display ups the precived smoothness. The 30FPS others get isn't the 30FPS I'm feeling, & in unlocked FPS games which struggle to be close to 60 it's a no-brainer to switch to 30 Quality letting the display do the work. So until the 120FPS container can communicate over HDMI on how to calculate the motion it's a feature that gets in the way of Sony's motion processing which almost but not quite is like DLSS motion processing, once you've noticed the difference it's hard to want to compromise on it and the takeaway is the nature of forcing 120FPS for 30FPS(or other lowish FPSs even)would be Sony nurfing it's own technology prowess which I can't reasonably expect them to do by default, perhaps future HDMI 2.2 will have provisions to work holistically with this as other brands catch up it would make sense for the end user experience. LAST SENTENCE IF THIS IS THE ONLY PART YOU READ INSTEAD OF SKIM I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT I DON'T LIKE NATIVE 120FPS CONTENT GIVE ME THAT ALL DAY IF YOU CAN IN DECENT QUALITY, I'M SAYING SUB 60FPS PARTICULARLY 30FPS CONTENT NEEDS MOTION RESOLUTION HELP FOR THOSE OF US WHO NEED HIGHER PERCEIVED FPS SO LETTING A QUALITY TV INCREASE FPS RATHER THAN GETTING LOCKED IN WITH DUPLICATE FRAMES IS WHY I THINK 120FPS CONTAINER ISN'T CURRENTLY THE DEFAULT FOR THE PS5 WHICH LACKS THE HORSEPOWER TO DO NON-DUPLICATE FRAME GAMING IN MOST TITLES FOR SUCH A HIGH FPS
This doesn't get talked about enough, but I guess that's because when VRR/LFC works you don't notice it. Unless a game really starts chugging, I rarely detect frame rate drops on my Series X. On my PS5... hmm
On PS5, the force VRR option doesn’t work properly. Some games run better on PS5 and others better on Series X. If a multiplat has framerate issues, I usually get it for Series X because of the VRR implementation.
Yes Resident Evil 4 ( resolution RT mode) have more fps on PS5, but runs smoother on XSX, and have better image.
Same Armored Core 6 resolution mode.
Elden Ring on PS5 suffers from this. With a 120hz container and LFC it wouldn't start to judder when dropping below 48 FPS which it does very often. 40 FPS is fine, but the immediate difference you can see when it drops below 48 FPS and loses VRR is extremely obvious.
pretty interesting
The PS5 Pro should have this 120hz mode. It’s a must! Many of us already have 120hz displays. Do it SONY! Please 🙏🏼
You’d be surprised at how many people are still playing consoles on 60hz displays. Most console gamers aren’t the people who watch digital foundry videos like us lol alot of them still base their TV purchases on size and price. Thats crazy to me lol.
Series X, Dolby Vision/Audio, VRR and a OLED TV. 😘👌
Resident Evil 4( PS5) runs smooth in resolution mode ONLY if RT and Hairwork are off .Cause its 60hz only on PS5
With the recent Premium TV Brands upgrading their TVs to 144hz for last 2 years, do you think PS5 Pro will support 144hz ?
It's just incomprehensible to me why the ps5 is lagging behind with these incredibly basic features.
From whay I remeber ot was only fairly recently when they implemented support for 1440p output. How are these options not available on day one?
1140p is such a small market with no TVs supporting that standard it really isn't a surprise that it was ignored.
A lot of games are really bad on PS5 with juddering due to this. Like Rise of Ronin frequently drops to 47FPS before the dynamic res scaler pushes it up to 60. But by that time it's too late and the judder has already happened.
Makes sense. now I understand why my games at 60 fps have a white glow around everything while moving. Turning off VRR fix the issue.
what? why?
Ah I wonder if that’s why I noticed a glow around Aloy in forbidden west?
@mgnoodle2589 Turn off VRR and see. This is why i always have VRR off. On xbox i don't notice this on games
You sure the TV isn't just changing modes when VRR is enabled? I don't get this with VRR on PC or PS5 but over sharpening like most TVs do as default causes brighter halos around objects.
This sounds more like a local dimming blooming issue with the monitor/tv. A lot of models look worse in game mode or VRR.
I'm annoyed that Rocket League doesn't Supersample to 1080 on PS5 when it does on XBOX and did on PS4 Pro
John why wouldn't I want my Series X in 120hz mode? Serious question! It's hooked into an LG CX
John has said it causes a double image on 60hz games and has been saying so for years. But try as I might I can’t see it 🤷♂️. I regularly go between 60hz native consoles and 60 in a 120hz container on Xbox and can’t see any difference what so ever on my LG C1.
I actually did think of one reason after posting this - MW 2019 campaign will try to run at 120hz if you have the console set to it. It can't hold a stable 120 and winds up looking really bad, so I had to set console to 60hz
@@not.an.operator that’s a good reason. Also MK11 loses lip sync with the console set to 120hz and doesn’t at 60hz so that’s another
@@jameslarham5936 oh wow that's a strange quirk! Good to know
Why is it not as simple as it is on pc where you just set the refresh rate for the pc and every game uses the maximum refresh rate available on the display
Why do people keep saying that John is watching The Running Man. He's clearly facing and talking into the camera, so he's not watching the movie. He's simply talking while the movie plays in the background.
I still give him points for playing the movie in the background, though.👍
If he's like me he definitely is watching the movie in another window while zooming
@@trivolous28wishful thinking. Just look at his eyes. Also, he wouldnt be full attentive to podcast and questions.
Can anyone say how well the LFC makes playing Dragons Dogma 2 on the X Box ?
Very smooth RT mode if u ok with 30 fps.If RT is off its almost perfect
This is honestly my biggest gripe with the PS5. Still pissed that the console has been out for 3 and a half years with this feature nowhere in sight. Aside from LFC this gives lower input lag in ALL games. 60fps feels more responsive on Xbox/PC because of this.
I think locked 60 is the way to go for most games. IMO VRR really works with 120 because it is not easy to get it locked.
VRR is beneficial for even low framerates, unfortunately in the day an age of oled we have to deal with VRR flicker.
@@Clutch4IceCreamI don't get vrr flicker with oled unless the frame rates vary a lot and are really low. This is with an old C9. I get the same flicker on my LCD with vrr on.
I agree. While 40FPS modes + VRR is a nice option, locked 60 makes more than a 20FPS difference visually because BFI and interpolation needs a locked framerate to work on most if not all TV’s. You really need at least 120FPS locked to acheive same motion clarity as 60FPS with BFI.
@@SlyNine VRR flicker from oleds always happens, it’s just not as noticeable at higher refresh rates.
@@Clutch4IceCreamthis is why I switched to a QLED instead
SONY : Soon Only Not Yet when it comes to software
Maybe this has to do with the PS5 HDMI is limited to 32Gbps whereas the Series X is 40Gbps.
Title: Sony PS5 HDMI 2.1 Bandwidth is Capped at 32Gbps (vs Xbox Series X 40Gbps)
Channel: HDTVTest
Date: Nov 19, 2020
I told the repo man that Xbox Series S held back my car payments.
He understood.
Lot of games id take vrr over vsync
Dagon's Dogma 2 runs better on XSX (120hz mode) Even if VRR is off.less visible statters
why on series x i have massive drops on phantom liberty while on ps5 its so much smoother i can’t feels the drops like series x …. I use same tv LG C1 same settings not only on Cyberpunk also on tiny tina
Cyberpunk runs better in general on PS5
Sony Studios use VRR pretty good Horizon Forbidden West amd Spiderman has a 1800p 120fps VRR mode and you can't see 1 stutter
Yes it's a shame because most of the other 99% of games don't.
@@WardedPredator More devs should start doing the same thing
@@KingScotto. Indeed hopefully
Those games are not running at 1800p and targeting 120fps stop the false information. If you go for 120fps it will run at 1080p or lower in resolution and the games typically run at 90+fps with VRR. If you want higher resolution the games will do 1800p with potential resolution drops upscaled to 4k to target 30fps.
@@ZackSNetwork They're 1800p go and check DFs videos on them
I hate that the Xbox understands my monitor is VRR through freesync but doesn’t know its high refresh rate, while the PS5 can activate 120hz mode but refuses VRR because its doesnt support freesycn. Screw both of them seriously, only PC gpus realise my monitor is both high refresh rate and VRR.
What is Dachsjaeger going on about wrt Windows not having a “good” way to control individual game refresh rates? You set them within each game. Why in the world would you want to do it outside of the game itself?
More convenient. Whatever the reason, he's right
Rich, I agree it is a little unfair that 'quixotic' is pronounced phonetically as opposed to 'quixote' where the x is silent :(
Vrr does not fix jutter! It displays just jutter without tearing!
It’s really stupid that vrr isn’t supported when playing ps4 games on ps5.
PS4 games run locked 60 on PS5 .U don't need VRR.
That's the rison why this games run better on XSX( XSS to):
Resident Evil 2,3,4(quality RT mode)
Deathloop QualityMode(QM)
Tales of Arise (QM)
Crime Boss ( QM)
Elex 2 ( QM)
Armored Core 6(QM)
Godfall (QM)
Immortals of Aveum only Mode
Robocop (QM)
D's Dogma 2 botn modes
Inquisitor runs 120hz mode on PS5 but still better on XSX.
Outcast (QM)
Elden Rong all modes
DMC 5 ( QM RT)
Control RT photo mode😂
Hogwarts Legacy fidelity RT mode
Talos Principal 2 ( QM)
Solution is simple - 40fps lock.
120hz without VRR also will help( smother than 60hz)
This guy finds SOME way to hate on xbox geez. I have NEVER had a double image effect
Some Sony executives most likely decided to hold it back, as we know the PS5 can do it. So this way, it can now be used as a marketing solution on the PS5 Pro to help push sales of the Pro.
Keeping it turned off on the PS5 will help bolster sales of the PS5 Pro for those who want it.
Its simple marketing. And since the PS5 Pro development started even before the PS5 launched, the decision was likely made in early 2020.
Dragons dogma 2 on ps5 with vrr seemed smooth I didn’t mind it lol
VRR isn't even being engaged on DD2 on PS5.
How is haptic feedback
Well for me it felt like it was cause I turned it off and on and on the city could tell the difference so your statement isn’t entirely true I would say it depends on your tv/ monitor cause it felt smooth and vrr was engaged on my monitor and tv cause it tells me if it’s on or off lol so I don’t know what to tell you lol
@@ogikay7056 didn’t notice it so I’d say very minimal if not nothing
@@bcrocka18 on PS5 in a game set to 60hz like DD2 VRR only engages at 48 or above FPS, DD2 is essentially below 48 at all times.
It was shock to me when i desided to switch to PS5, and thats why i didn't.I'm selling my PS5 for that.Staying on XBox
This is sort of one of the many things wrong with console gaming, you get what you get and it is what it is, even if the console has the capability, your always at the mercy of the dev or sony or microsoft. Pc has its issues, but theres almost always ways around it. I get it if none of these things bother you as a console gamer, but if you're a pc gamer thinking of switching to console, all this stuff kills the idea.
"Bedevilled" "opaque" "quixotic"
Lmao is this guy trying to sound smart when asking the question or something?
Xbox for the win!
Hopefully the PS5 pro bring ps5 closer to Series S features like VRR 120fps
My theory is that Sony TV's only support standard VRR. If they introduce AMD Freesync behavior to the system, their competitor's TV's will be definitely better with PS5 than Sony's TV's. I believe this is the reason for Sony's selfish decision to not invest in it. This is assuming they haven't set up technical impediments for themselves in the hardware and software.
That change in brightness in some games, can be distracting fo sho
Oled is terrible for it from my experience
@@WardedPredator I remember when I bought a 77” C9 day one, and playing Fallen Order right after I calibrated it. I thought I fucked my TV. Took me a while to realize turning off VRR was the culprit.
@@JDoG867 yep super annoying on my C3 I thought the same initially.
40FPS should have been the minimum spec for games allowed to be released on this gen for consoles. Period. Game can barely make 30? Fail, game gets rejected. Game stutters and needs day 1 patch? Fail, game gets postponed. Cut some content and optimize your game. OLED owners and people who paid $1,000 to scalpers for early PS5 consoles are grinding their teeth to dust.
Please never stop bringing up Sony's trash VRR implementation or lack of 120hz mode or LFC
I wonder in MLB The Show, this is why input lag is higher on PS5 than Xbox. Any top player will tell you Xbox is king for competitive players.
I got the answer...it's shit.
😂😂😂😂
That would require Sony to give a shit about the customer experience. Low latency doesn't sell consoles.
Need further proof? PSPortal has additional +80ms on top of the already high system latency. Most PSVR2 games have terrible frame rate and reproduction. It is embarrassing.
So your telling me a wireless streaming device adds latency to the game?
GTFO! I thought wifi reduced latency! /s
Take a shot everytime they said "120hz container".
Somebody enjoys jargon too much
120 frames. Lol. Stupidity without limits. Games running at 30 frames..
The games don't even run well enough in 120hz modes period. They can barely do 60fps. Optimize your games for what the standard should be, and if it's possible without sacrificing the quality too much, allow it to unlock in 120.
This question is like asking why my 10 year old GPU can't play cyberpunk full RT.
A consoles sole existence is to deliver cheap, stable, consistent gaming experience. Fluctuations between 80-120fps isn't great either people. Especially when it's now running at 720p with settings turned down to a minimum.
Waste of time
What are you talking about? Almost any game with an 120 FPS mode on the series X is running it locked at 1080P and they definitely aren’t lowering settings to the minimum. The rest is just garbage PC elitism but ya gotta justify ur 2000 dollar PC somehow
@@TheChaosblock I'm talking about how settings are turned down drastically to get games to run that high....a literal fukn fact lol.
If the game doesn't run unlocked max settings at 120fps, guess what, they are DECREASING settings and quality to get it to run that high.
Seriously bud, how do you watch this channel at all, and still not understand the fundamental aspects of this conversation. Why don't the 30 fps and 60fps modes of games look the same? They are running different settings, different resolutions, LOWER settings and resolution....I'm baffled by your aggressively dumb response
@@TheChaosblock talking about the literal fact that all settings, resolutions etc have to be turned down to run that fast...
How do you watch this channel or have interest in any of this shit without knowing this?
@@d8l835 name a 120 hz game that doesn’t run at a locked 120 on series x?
@@TheChaosblock with vrr or without? At 1080p or lower? You do know plenty of them upscale from 720p still right?
Regardless, what does me naming one of several xsx games that drop below 120 fps have to do with what I said?
How do they get the games to run at 120fps when most of them can barely do 60fps in other modes....
They turn down settings, they turn down resolutions, effects, lighting, straight up remove features like RT....
Do you just watch this channel? I mean like with the sound off or something? You haven't learned anything listening to these guys or watching their content?
This is ridiculous what we are arguing here. It's an objective fact, resolutions, settings, effects, all get reduced in order to run them at those frame rates. How else do you think that happens bud? You think devs make conscious decisions to make their games as detailed as possible, and barely optimize it to run at 60fps, when it could run at 120fps with no compromise to detail, effects, lighting, etc.? Are you high?
Oh, also, if you are actually curious which games aren't locked 120 fps on console, you're already in the right place, there is video after video right here on this channel to see. Of course you actually have to listen to what they are saying, or actually comprehend it in the first place....Jesus Christ this is stupid
Can yall make a video crying about 30fps xbox games? It would balance things out you complain about everyrhing Sony does.
I own PS5 and Xbox SX and LG Oled C1 . COD ,Elden ring ,DMC5 all those games run better on PS5 ! If I think better all my games runs better on ps5 .
If the game doesn't support VRR I didn't played !😁
Gta6
Cause PS5 rushed and altered at the last minute to try and win the narrative from a stronger Xbox Series X. PS5 is not a great machine and as time passes more flaws are revealed.
PS5 sucks.
Bro none of this bs matters, just give us great games.
Bro this is a tech channel. You need to leave if you have this opinion
@@CJP.-pq3krhe's right though. If we just got great games that ran properly there wouldn't be a DF channel. There would be no need. And sorry to DF team, but I wish this was the case
@@CJP.-pq3kr i did leave lol
@@d8l835 we are becoming too focused on the tech and not the actual games.
Most people don’t care or watch digital foundry. Normal gamers aren’t here. This is a channel for tech fans.
John is coping so hard he can't even speak anymore. Give us an example where the system wide 120 on Xbox causes issues.
He basically said it can cause ghosting and brightness differences.
Watch his elden ring videos and you will see the small issues that he's talking about.
I remember it causing issues with me playing numerous 360 games via back compat.
Yikes man. Do you hear yourself? Touch grass buddy, get out of the console wars mode
This is not Xbox specific and will do the exact same thing on a PC if setup the same way.
Because it is an underpowered, featureless, gameless p.o.s.
Tell me where they hurt you😂. Geez dude calm down.
@@thug-21 Facts don't care about feelings. 👍
ps5 is best console by a mile outselling both xbox consoles
with the best games and pc getting some of the good games, if ps5 is the best at what it does then surely xbox should stop being manufactured, if ps5 is that bad then wtf is the point in xbox?
Imagine being so offended at the Xbox existing 😂
@@frogfarmer3551 imagine owning gamepass 🤢 ow no ya own nothing 😂
you got problems lol
@@elcourier have you?
What a load of ps Fanboy rubbish. Xbox is a better machine. All of this ps has got better games are getting old and aren't true. Why do you think Sony is releasing a ps5 pro? They got punked by series x in feature sets and power. Sony fanboys are simply to blind to see that..
Because the PS5 GPU sucks and it isn't even fully RDNA2 compatible
It's above RDNA 2, because Sony uses some of their solutions that they thought were Superior to RDNA2.
In fact, the PS5 Pro will be using a custom version of upscaling over the RDNA 4 solution.
@@GalaxyFur Mark Cerny rlly knows his stuff. Dude's a wizard 😅🤣
@@Wes_Trippy4life That he is.
Another crapping on sony video. Maybe its because they concentrate on getting their games at 60 and above unlike the competition who cant seem to get above 30 fps.
They wanna have the best for their respective consoles, tho. Digital Foundry also gets a lot of flack for apparently trashing on Xbox.
Where did they trash, Sony? They literally said no platform has a perfect solution, including PC.
How are they trashing Sony? You fanboys are seriously insufferable. They aren't trashing Sony.
This forum is for adults, not juvenile delinquents like yourself who prefer to indulge in console wars.
Tell us you're a pony without telling us.
The hdmi port is prehistoric, digital sony will try to hide the reality. A old chip and a crappy hdmi port cant keep op. Ps5 is a crappy overpriced puece of crap
Yet it not only consistently outsells the competition, it consistently outperforms it too. Not too bad for a piece of crap.
Wow, OP, buyers' remorse hitting you that hard, huh?
Compared to what?
It really isn't the port. PS5 wasn't full RDNA 2 and had to implement VRR on a software level. The port itself is HDMI 2.1 (not full bandwidth), which I believe is only a few Gb/s difference between the Xbox which also isn't full bandwidth HDMI 2.1. Neither of which are powerful enough to actually use the full bandwidth of an actual HDMI 2.1 specification anyway. Upscaled 4k 30fps or even heavier upscaling from 720p or under to get to 120hz does not require a full HDMI 2.1 spec port.
It's certainly not as good as the Series X in terms of hardware and features but it's still a decent console. The fact is, VRR should really be used to enhance the visuals, not clean up the mess that the developers made because of poor optimisation. That's why games like Spider-Man and TLOU run superbly, and Dragon's Dogma 2 runs like crap.
Only a few games worth playing even run at 120fps
We are talking 120hz not 120fps.
Why not implement freesync and not make people buy new displays? Sony always does stupid crap like this. HDMI VRR is present in a very small number of displays and my Series X doesn’t have an issue displaying it or double images, Sony half assed this from day one. I love my PS5 and never saw “double images” at 120hz wit( 60fps properly frame paced. There is no defense for this piss poor implementation