The NEW Investigator is Fun | Town of Salem 2
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Ahh yes, that ToS2 era where you can cause confusion due to many new reworks and everyone throws the "you can't read"
To be fair, most tos players genuinely cannot read
@@_StarlightRose_ after see how many communities joke about not being able to read I think people in general just don't know how to read
People can’t stay focus for more than 15 sec in this TikTok and TH-cam short era 😢
Only 70% of Americans are considered Literate, it would not surprise if a lot of other countries were even worse outside of the EU.
@jarzz3601 unfortunately illiteracy is actually legit on the rise
"Witness your own murder" should absolutely be an Investigator achievement.
too RNG dependent
@@jfacum24 mean, there's a tracker achievement for watching someone visit you
To be fair, the Percept ability being on Spy works WAY better, for two reasons. One, it means that if you get hit by a PB, you don't lose your bugs every night for the rest of the game. Two, the bug lasts until an evil triggers it, rather than only lasting for one night.
I literally suffered the Spy PB curse in the last game I played before the update lol
@@GolfinhoVoadorwhat was the spy PB curse? Was it just the spy infecting everyone and causing bugs to be triggered immediately?
@@piratezsh1433 when Spy is infected with the plague, anyone they visit (like all other visiting roles) will also be plagued, meaning all bugs they placed for the rest of the game would immediately trigger with:
*Your target is plagued!*
@@TheSilliestGoof got it. Thanks
Even if pb dies right away you still see the plauge.
for new invest i think “no crime” is clearer than “no evidence”
Probably due to illusionist?
Also No *Crime* is a habit of BTOS2 players, plus *Crime* is a keyword
:No Crime is one of the keywords usable now.
This was probably done to not confuse new players. A new player might think no crime = inno, therefore another dialogue = guilty, even if there are exceptions.
I actually like pretty much all the changes in this patch but, man having only 1 apoc and then barely buffing them is tough
so you have brain damage then
@@ludokolman3195bait used to be believable
I think the point of the apoc changes was that they were far too strong. If 4 apoc are in a game, they hardly have to try to beat town and coven. At their current state, they now function like actual neutral roles.
@@dereke1683 Isn't that kind of the point? Since 4 apoc is unimaginably rare, so the game is balanced around 1-2 apoc since that's 99.9% of matches. Just guts the entire faction now that its 1 cap with no buffs lol
@dereke1683 except apoc almost never won when solo so they pretty much just exist to be there and not win
Every single jester for the next two weeks: "Investigator. N1, Percept..."
Lol true
I like the new invest! Finding trespassing is basically like being an additional seer, in a sense. And murder finding is obviously very powerful. I think it went to being a top tier TI now
It might become too op, not just a bit of seer ability but also a bit of tracker who can catch evils claiming non-visiting roles.
@@_Angry_Potato_Nah, Invest gives evil claimspace as it can be faked very easily, as long as you can properly read wills
Trespassing is permanent. You can find townies who visited evils by chance N1 on N4 when they've been on town N2-4. Murder is the night you search.
Always said this but I do love this Invest design - yes, you get super powerful information but evils are able to lie in order to obscure the truth and the Investigator has to deduce whether the tresspassing was a townie visiting an evil, or an evil lying and causing a potential mislynch
🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
This invest works really well in better tos2. People can play around invest really well if you know what you're doing
Wow, they really gutted apoc with this update. I wonder why, it seemed fine for the most part. I could understand a cap of 2 apoc per game, but only one just ruins the faction.
its not really a faction anymore, just another NE/NK
@@lomiification its worse, nk can have multiple of the same that can be on a team, apoc doesn't even have that now
It more or less reverted PB and bers to the old TOS1 PB and jugg since they're effectively solo now.
If a TI claims D1 and will announce who they visited on D2, investigating them N1 could give a friends/enemies result based on their trespassing status. If they're legit.
It's what I was thinking as well, it's a little overpowered night 1. I mean thinking about it, you could chain with the same person over and over until they trespass. Asking the other TI to go down the list.
@@FlawlessRubysounds kinda convoluted to do it that way
@FlawlessRuby Well yeah, that's why they're going to get killed and made a priority if they do do that, this doesn't happen in BtoS2, which had this rework for a whole year
So, if I understand correctly:
You visited 15 without evidence of trespassing, and 15 claims to be a Psychic who visited 2. That means that either 15 and 2 are the same faction (specifically, townies), or 15 lied.
Also, since 1 claimed to also be investigator and saw you trespass, that means you had visited someone not of your faction, and since you only had visited 15 so far, that means at least 1 or 15 was a liar (could be both, of course, though that was not the case in this game).
Pretty sure 15 lied since Bers can't visit N1. Since 15 didn't visit anyone yet, Pipe found him No Crime/Evidence
But at least that Bers tried to play and win the game instead of disconnecting himself for being solo Bers
@@willdee29 not that you can get multiple NAs in a game.
16:20 Admirer jumpscare
Hiding real name
Censorship Admirer ily Censorship Admirer
@@debbiebernhardt5406you can still see the names topleft
I love how btos role reworks are being added to the base game
Like how trickster, instead of killing the attacking target and themselves, they act as a tp who rebounds attacks to anyone
finally,I can fake claim invest with skill
Poor NA I bet NA wins are gonna be even rarer now :( due to their only being 1 a game
At least PB and sc got buffs, poor Baker got nothing
@@Ariento SC got buffed and nerfed. SC now need 7 souls instead of 6 for transforming....
ive seen NA wins since the new update. Yes it will be harder but I don’t think its gonna be rarer
"UO Means... uhhhh... uhhh..."
PIPE IT WAS RIGHT BELOW IT IN CHAT YOU ABSOLUTE FOOL
Also at the end it became pretty clear that the UO on 1 on n1 was the Socialite, who put them in their n1 will and later posted it when outing the "cleric" (conjurer) They even said that 7 and 10 were added to guest list that day by visiting 1 - and sure enough, 10 was the one to point out the UO.
Only one Apoc is dumb af? Solo Apoc was already super unpopular, why change that?
the heck did the enchanter mean they didn't notice the update when it literally forces you to see the patch notes when you launch the game when there's an update
ToS2_players_cant_read.mp4 Moment I guess
When players don't read patch notes just to get to the game immediately.
everyone clicks out of notifications immediately
There are people who dont automatically click away popups on login without even seeing what they are? Even changelpg popup, the most important kind, in 9/10 cases is just “heres five fixes”
@@lomiification they still woulda seen that the game was updated even if they dont read the patch notes
11:13 HAPPY BIRTHDAY PIPTON
The thing to note is that if someone trespasses it will say they trespassed for the rest of the game, while murder is only on the night they killed
1 apoc per game sounds like apoc wins are going to basically never happen.
Pipton speedran this game lol. The update came out like an hour ago
I feel like the max on NA should be 2, not 1. It just feels lame to me to have 4 roles that are designed to work together but no longer allow them to do that.
I would definitely be upping 2 on day 1. There were in 2 different seer wills.
4:55 "I faked so conj would conj me" -- I predict this is like a weird executioner wanting TP/LO and 15 is his target maybe? -- 7:25 nvm, 15 is confirmed evil cuz he died to BG.. so idk why 1 was being so strange instead of just posting will.
Bro probs thought he was too important to hold back that info.
That sounds like an idea for achievement.
"Self Investigation" - Witness your own murder as investigator / Check the murderer trespasser that went on you.
It would be like all those silly tos1 achievements as town where you needed to visit yourself (it could probably have a joke around solving your own murder for it's name with a question mark at the end)
Nice, now my life can be an Unknow Obstacle without needing btos2
4 coven, 1 werewolf, 1 bers is almost as evil-sided as it's possible to get with the latest update... having only 1 Apoc, at least in All Any, is just ridiculous. There's an entire element of the game, the three-way team fight, that just got eliminated unless you roll double of a NK role, except they're more likely to get each other hanged than present an actual threat.
Can't wait to see a reworked PB game (even if the odds for that are quite low)
You can use the info you gain now for some truly big brained fake claims
Ngl, those poisoners have now became Vape distributors and is using such a wild advertiment strat of smogging people as free trial. 😂
"Didnt even realize there was an update"
So... just gonna forget about the massive wall of text that appears when you load the game?
Honestly i was 100% sure 1 was jest because they posted 3 messages D1 and it seemed like they were worried about jest needing chatterbox fulfilled D1
Chatterbox condition does not apply d1
@ i assumed, yes, but that doesn’t mean all players know that :p
I think the invest just saying there's been trespassing regardless if it's town or not needs to be implemented, or it appears that it's being implemented that way, because if an invest confirms roles by stating there wasn't trespassing regardless of the town role, then evils have 0 chance of winning since invest can confirm all tp and ts roles without having that person being exposed.
14:24 1 being extremely silly, you were supposed to already know that 9 visited 15 and 15 was evil
Yup I was about to comment that
Pretty powerful, assuming no trespass, you can confirm to your target that everyone they visited is of the same faction.
I.e. town.
You witnessed your own murder! lol... don't need a special ability for that!
I feel like they should've renamed Poisoner if they aren't Poisoning anymore, also can they still roleblock? I haven't seen that clarified
what would they be called instead? the smogger? that sounds like a slur lol
also no, they have a makeshift party now - blocking others from entering
@@ratboygirl Maybe Weather Mage or Cloud Summoner.
@@sarahbaker1176 those are mouthfuls haha 😅 but i like where your head’s at. maybe sorcerer/sorceress, magician, or occultist?
Should've made Apocs have a max of 2 or 3, maybe have a max of 3 but that's rarer, and instead 2 being way more common than 3 games. 4 was way too op, almost a secured win but being only 1 is tough, specially if you get something like PB, also not having def makes them way worse now
why is 1 calling 9 fake? a psychic would be trespassing from n2 on guarenteed. if trespassing stays for the whole game they visit an evil n2 for evil vision no?
No they only visit one person each night so I'm pretty sure you could have a psy on day 4 without trespassing because they only visit 1/3 or those "evils"
Psychic is one of the least trusted roles for some reason, no matter much you push evils
@@BlightedCrimson ohh gotcha didn’t realize that they only showed as visiting one person
Best part is even though that isnt true, 9 visited 15, so 1 just doesn't understand how it works
you might be thinking of seer which visits both people they check
Interesting patch! New investigator is kind of like an additional seer, also indirectly nerfs NAs and NKs as there will usually only be one per match meaning they always show as trespassing. That being said, if they have a solid claim they could potentially frame the person they visited.
Trespassing is most powerful N1(1f1)/N2(1f1f1), past that point almost everyone that can visit will probably have visited an opposing faction and show as Trespassing
That "War Among Us" was amazing
3:21 emphasis on the fact that 4 Horsemen is still in the game
wait wait wait solo apoc is now mandatory? What
I don't think it's mandatory, but there can only be 1 single apoc. No more 4 apoc games or 2 apoc or 3 apoc.
@@Murasame13thats what mandatory means
New invest is more useful, as long as people have accurate wills. However some of the other changes just feel like a step backwards. Jester IMO seems like they will be easily identified as they must send 1-4 messages daily. Executioner is now just TOS one, feels like a step backwards.
How does that make jester easier to identify though? Staying silent is a classic sign of susses, its why jesters just shut up and never talked, the behavior which got Chatterbox added
it means jester will actually take some sort of skill and not just going silent on stand. removing its self vesting feels a lil unnecessary tho
Self vesting was removed because it got defense for the first few days anyway, like other NEs.
@@Kruggov i know but i want jester to have more protection :P
Executioner was the right change, they changed it so town won’t be punished for playing right. Said by, tuba dev
Invest is now 2nd strongest TI in the game, but at the cost of being more easily faked. Seer is still #1. Spy is also interesting with how PB works now. LO/tracker claims may be PB, LO’s got nerfed on seeing wildling and now visit.
These are all wrong.
We all know that Jester is the best TI.
How does this new invest interact with book? Does it frame the book holder as a townie for the purposes of trespassing? Because an interesting scenario would be like:
Sheriff visits 6, they're inno.
Invest checks sheriff, they're trespassing.
= 6 is an easy book holder push.
Why did they make it so only 1 NA?
NA had an extremely high win rate when there was more than one in a game.
@Tawnyami Ahhh, that would explain it. Thanks for letting me know. I honestly figured they had a lower win rate, so I was so confused.
Personally I would have made it to be a max of 2 NA per game. Baker and SC are pretty boring roles to be solo.
@@ominousflames14 Solo Baker is really tough. Solo SC is slow but the Reap ability will help them get souls without requiring a Bers to get kills for them and to disrupt games long enough to get a win
@@Tawnyami What they fail to mention about the NA win rate was that it was mostly due to having a Death not get hanged lol
My first game of this update, Baker won lol
That is basically Investigator from StarCraft II Mafia.
honestly i really liked invest in tos1, glad they’re making some changes in the sequel
It was cool, but by simply existing it made fake claiming so much less fun, since it could detect fake claims really well
it also put strict limits on what you could fake claim by role, so everyone learned which investigator results mean mafioso, arso, etc
loved playing it, hated playing against it
Quick question, but how do you get the achievements to appear on the screen next to your role card like that. I’m currently looking through my tos mod loader but I don’t see anything like that in here
Yeah Investigator is a huge targets now for evils. I've seen evils just straight up 1f1 themselves just to get Invests out.
Finally invest isn’t useless
Welcome to modded kinda!
16:20 ADMIRER JUMPSCARE
Pipton, Tpows can be back up to 4 now, instead of 3. Just thought youd like to know.
This update made it even harder for evils in my opinion, shame
Town get a lot less info as well on evil activities
town definitely feels OP now i played about 5 games and coven got found almost immediately every single time and town won every time
@@bannerhi ToS has always been a Town-favoured game. ToS 2 made it way worse with so many roles that either gave Town extra killing power or auto-confirmed themselves. This update removes some of that killing power and reducing two roles ability to auto-confirm themselves
@@Oshroth before this update town certainly did not win as much as it currently is but that could just be bc of the update tbf but now there’s no limit on tpow, invest is OP, and coven roles have been severely nerfed. town only got buffs while NK/coven/NE got nerfed
New invest is just solid 👌
"new investigator is fun" he says, dying immediately and having 0 actual invest gameplay
Thank you Pipton for saying The NEW Investigator is Fun
1 minute ago: what am I doing with my life
Now: this
Same lol
only 1 apocalypse in a game is a dookie move.... Big F-
That was like the most fun when there ended up being like 3 or 4 in a game
So... am I reading this change correct... N1 psychic should hard claim. Invest goes on them and if tresspass, psy's D1 target is hard confirmed evil, and their 2nd target is hard confirmed town?
Also works on hard claim Seer D1. If friends N1, and tresspass, both hard confirmed same faction evil, and if not trespass both hard confirmed town?
Won't trespass be a problemating thing for n0's and n1's? because if inv found someone trespassing (especially on n1) it would be equivalent to seer finding as enemies
"new investigator is fun" *is alive for 1 day and spends the entire rest of the video dead*
For anyone who doesnt know the lingo from BToS2, if an Investigator finds someone with no evidence of crimes, put "No Crime" instead of "No Evidence" since that is more clear
Surprised how fast you posted a video of the new update
Investigator gaming boys
Interesting, the first look does make it seem like the changes have slowed down the game significantly. I'm curious to see how the different/less specific town info (which technically should mean more claim space) pans out for evils after the community adjusts to it.
1 apocalypse is weird that should be multiple since spool apocalypse is almost impossible
3:21 you sure thats how it works now? the way i read the changelog is that NA roles are mutually excluvise, so you cant have 2 wars, 2 deaths, etc. this was probably always like this in the base game but they probably made this comment because of the 4 horseman mode.
"Mutually exclusive" means if one spawns the others can't. That's what the "mutual" in "mutually exclusive" means. It also says "again", as in, it was like this in the past but not at the time. Which is true of solo NA.
If the change was saying that there can only be 1 of that specific role per game they'd use the word unique, as that's what they've used to denote that kind of role. It's even present in the same set of patch notes, with them saying Deputy is no longer unique.
Haven't seen more than 1 apoc yet.
Trespassing seems its now permanent. If you do it youll have the crime for the end of the game
Yes, Trespassing is permanent. So it's most powerful N1/N2 and becomes weaker late game
@@Oshroth i think it won’t be as weak end game, you can ask the person you investigated their full will and then go down the line of who’s dead and who’s not. one of them will be evil (if the person you’re investigating is town, anyway)
1 is actually insane
GG Great video as always :)
Invest will be the new TI target I feel like
Im sad that with only 1 game that 3/4ths of it is pipe watching from the grave
Investigator gaming BOYS
Only 1 neutral per game is crazy ngl
Idk invest seems like a pseudo seer now
gotta love the birthday boy banter in the background.
At last, Solo Apoc is always real. (unless Apoc moddifier)
Having only one apocalypse per game sounds terrible
it should be two neutral apoc... one is awful
Great video, I now know there was an update to the game 😂
I like the changes, but I wish they changed the apoc cap to 2 not 1.
I really don’t like the idea of it on the only one apoc, it feels like you’ll need to basically not play you role to get away with it
Does a townie visiting an evil country as trespassing?
Yes it does
Yes
Invest gaming BOYS
why did they transfer percept to spy, spy is so cheeks now
It is a buffed version of percept since it acts like a trap, but yeah.
Is it even a nerf? What situation does this make spy results worse? You don't get as much of an early warning of plague spreading but that often just dominated your spy results so its a trade-off. You can't see tav roleblocks anymore but pois doesn't roleblock rn anyways so its only an issue when people fake claim tav. Spy won't be able to confirm a player was protected by TP, they'll only know a player survived an attack which is a big deal but otherwise I'm struggling to think of any other situations where spy has less info and not more
@@faceless1434 Spy might not get info from astral visits (since Percept didn't show astrals visits) and you won't see players dousing themselves or Baker/Pest starting with Bread/Plague
@@faceless1434 Poisoner can still RB, they can't poison.
@@Kruggov TRUE. I'm an idiot. I both knew that and decided to think of pois as an evil soc now which messed up my brain
Man reducing Apocalypse to one per game is pretty lame.
Roles like Baker or Soul Collector are now forced into playing really slow.
Hi everyone
Edit: happy birthday 2
This is one of the TOS2 games of all time!
Day 70 of telling lies:
Another great Veteran game, getting brutally murdered by every faction is what you love to see. I’m personally loving how the vet update also gives you the ability to give PTSD to whoever killed you, very cool, very nice.
Uhhhhhh flummery
Quick edits
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Trespassing seems ridiculously powerful. Basically just a better seer. And then they can also find murder? broken
It's only like a seer on N1. If you've visited 3 people over the course of the game and get found as a trespasser, then it only narrows things down slightly. It also can't find roles who don't visit (or people who choose not to visit) as trespassers.
its a little better, if you keep investing the same person, and they visit friendlies
you get to know lots of townies, and one not-town to hang
IMO they have screwed up some of the roles really badly with this update and I hope they fix their mistakes real fast
No mistakes all the roles are fine
Imo the only ones that are objectively worse are Spy and Poisoner, the idea for Poisoner isn't bad, but having a Poisoner that doesn't Poison is stupid
@creeperboom9813 i think whatd make more sense for smog is that itd poison that person and block other ppl from entering although the poison itself might have to be a bit nerfed for that to work
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Thank you Pipton for telling us The NEW Investigator is Fun