I feel like it shouldn't need to be said, but jeweled lotus allows for you to have a turn 1 Oskar as the lotus goes to the graveyard reducing the cost by 1 and as long as you have a land on t1 as well, you can cast him
And on top of both your wins, angel's grace ;) I like to put emergence zone in most of my decks that can afford it for basically the same reasoning as you said in the video. It's especially nice with crop rotation. Another card that's good is geier reach sanitarium, player 4 crop rotating it out in your example would have killed both Thassa's Oracle players. Instant speed + patience is very powerful.
Ledger Shredder is great in this deck. A small note - effects with discard as a cost of activating that let you draw are great with tutors to the top of the deck because you cast it and draw the card (almost) immediately
Amazing video. Some suggestions: Unfulfilled Desires can trigger discard, draw cards and let us cast at instant speed only for 1 generic mana. Surgical Extraction can be cast for free and stops graveyard combos. Magus of the Bazaar 2 mana bazaar on a stick.
I'm actually really surprised to not see bone miser in the list. Sure it doesn't allow you to discard, but any time you discard to cast from Oscar, you get bonus value. Even with the examples in the video, massacre, deep analysis, etc will draw you a card while allowing you to cast it at the same time, which will help you get through your deck even faster
I think Bone Miser is much better when you win as soon as it enters play, like in Toluz. Toluz is a turbo combo version of this deck that plays with a robust "storage" unit, so Skirge Familiar and Bone Miser offer alternative lines to win and more access to resources. Oskar doesn't need any of that, because it's not planning to win ASAP, it's planning to sneak in the win as safely as possible at any time it has priority. It doesn't need alternative lines or sudden masses of resources to force through a win at sorcery speed on its own turn like Toluz, it just needs exactly one line to win but at the perfect timing, which is why Bazaar is the S tier card in this deck and not Necropotence.
I have been thinking of adding it. But not yet. I kinda wanna test it a bit. I am playing it a bit now and then and the deck changes now and than. Might have it in sideboard so people know that is is an option for it.
I will want to see this commander play a few times just to get the feel of it. Mons ... think you can run this commander in one or two of your game play videos?
9:45 To round out this point, this lesson also applies to Player 1 as well. If you have one last counterspell, it might be better to hold onto it and let AdNaus get countered because of the risk that the Oskar player flashes in a win after you used your last piece of interaction protecting your own win attempt.
as soon as I saw this I was annoyed with myself. I had built a self discard scarab god for the local tourneys that was doing quite well. it's rather rare to counter a reanimated thoracle but regardless I took it apart to build self discard prosper not long before this was announced now i want to go back. I love playing shadow of the grave, and getting bonuses from skirge familiar and bone Miser. it's a dream to have an even better containment Construct in the command zone.
yes. it allows you to play it immediately. But you can't w8. It has to be the first thing you do when they are discared. If you discard several cards they all go onto the stack. So if you discard a sol ring and a mana crypt and cast both. They will both be on the stack togheter. But you can schoose what order they resolve.
yes you can! that is the big trick here. we can cast thassas in instant speed. Or well the entier deck is in instant speed with oskar and discard effeks.
should remind people they need keep decent removal because common cedh spells like Dathri Void walker and Draneth magistrate will effectively stop your win at instant speed, forcing you to win at regular speed like peasants
3:26 I don't know if you can cast them for free after discarding. I thought you can only choose one alternative casting cost, either for free or after discarding. Correct me if I'm wrong. It's like when you enable flashback on Cyclonic Rift and you can't choose flashback for overload. It's both an alternative casting cost.
I'm pretty sure it works. Oskar doesn't enforce an alternate casting cost, he merely provides "permission" to cast to the spell. If you have permission to cast a spell and aren't forced to use an alternate casting cost, you can declare any other available alternate and additional casting costs you want.
I think deep analysis does not help with the strat at all. It makes the deck weaker to dranith Magistrate and gravehate effects, which it already cannot handle.
Could I get your thoughts on a card I've been testing in Oskar? I've been having great success with artificers intuition, using it you can pull all your fast mana rocks from the deck at instant speed, with many of them paying for the next one, and at worst one blue per rock. It's led to some ridiculous games but admittedly I've only started brewing this deck less than a week ago.
@@cedhtv haha I'm glad you like it, I'll be submitting my list to the database as I truly believe it's a huge contender and can tackle the mighty blue farm as the scariest thoracle deck
I feel like it shouldn't need to be said, but jeweled lotus allows for you to have a turn 1 Oskar as the lotus goes to the graveyard reducing the cost by 1 and as long as you have a land on t1 as well, you can cast him
true. I guess I will return it back to the deck.
Rip jeweled lotus 😭
I built this guy in casual and he is insanely powerful. I have no doubt he can contend at cedh tables when fully optimized
Bazaar of bagdad makes him busted.
@@cedhtv i think you should consider playing See The Truth in this list
@Bryan Bonar Do you have a list online anywhere you would be willing to share? Would love to see it
I like the discard playstyle, I am happy to have this commander in Dimir colors.
With red also he would be to good I think.
Might be Lil better with red
And on top of both your wins, angel's grace ;)
I like to put emergence zone in most of my decks that can afford it for basically the same reasoning as you said in the video. It's especially nice with crop rotation. Another card that's good is geier reach sanitarium, player 4 crop rotating it out in your example would have killed both Thassa's Oracle players. Instant speed + patience is very powerful.
haha YES angel is so good. should see more play.
Yo man, just a message to say i love your channel, thank,you for the videos, keep it up ! i miss the old sisay guy ! please let him come back !
Oh don't worry. But I have so many commanders I need to talk about and showcase too. I plan on having a sisay video in the somewhat future.
Ledger Shredder is great in this deck.
A small note - effects with discard as a cost of activating that let you draw are great with tutors to the top of the deck because you cast it and draw the card (almost) immediately
The more I see things about Oskar, the more I want to play him
I have played him a bunch and I really like him.
So glad other see his potential! Soon as I read him and looked into the interaction I thought he was super powerful!
Amazing video. Some suggestions: Unfulfilled Desires can trigger discard, draw cards and let us cast at instant speed only for 1 generic mana. Surgical Extraction can be cast for free and stops graveyard combos. Magus of the Bazaar 2 mana bazaar on a stick.
I'm actually really surprised to not see bone miser in the list. Sure it doesn't allow you to discard, but any time you discard to cast from Oscar, you get bonus value. Even with the examples in the video, massacre, deep analysis, etc will draw you a card while allowing you to cast it at the same time, which will help you get through your deck even faster
I think Bone Miser is much better when you win as soon as it enters play, like in Toluz. Toluz is a turbo combo version of this deck that plays with a robust "storage" unit, so Skirge Familiar and Bone Miser offer alternative lines to win and more access to resources. Oskar doesn't need any of that, because it's not planning to win ASAP, it's planning to sneak in the win as safely as possible at any time it has priority. It doesn't need alternative lines or sudden masses of resources to force through a win at sorcery speed on its own turn like Toluz, it just needs exactly one line to win but at the perfect timing, which is why Bazaar is the S tier card in this deck and not Necropotence.
I have been thinking of adding it. But not yet. I kinda wanna test it a bit. I am playing it a bit now and then and the deck changes now and than. Might have it in sideboard so people know that is is an option for it.
You could maybe try something like Read the Runes as some spicy tech that enables flash. Might be too cute though
Niche I like it
I thought this was the match, and was shocked you were so fast!
Editing on that one as we speak. Sunday I think. But it will be on the other cEDH TV gameplay channel.
@@cedhtv I'm excited!!
I will want to see this commander play a few times just to get the feel of it. Mons ... think you can run this commander in one or two of your game play videos?
I have alredy played 3 games with it. Currently editing on the first game. Should be up on sunday I hope.
@@cedhtv I look forward to seeing what this deck can do. ;)
I think you moxfield list has 2 Necropotence, maybe a Phantasmal Image would be a good add? Copy a Dockside or Thassa’s Oracle :D
fixed.
Sweet! This is going in my Raffine deck
should be great there.
9:45 To round out this point, this lesson also applies to Player 1 as well. If you have one last counterspell, it might be better to hold onto it and let AdNaus get countered because of the risk that the Oskar player flashes in a win after you used your last piece of interaction protecting your own win attempt.
YES! But it is a tricky thing to evaluate that.
AWESOME DECK!!! ALSO that cedh tv tshirt is awesome! Any place we can order it from?
No sorry I don't sell any think like that. My girlfriend made it for me and it is the only one.
@@cedhtv what a great gift!! so cool! I pass my compliments on to the designer
i like this commander but i will play with just with the discard theme no thassa or some boring otk you win the game combo
Are you done w this commander/ can you give us an update on how things are going w him/if they still are?
Yes I am done with him. I can give an update. Or well maybe wanna test a small thing first.
as soon as I saw this I was annoyed with myself. I had built a self discard scarab god for the local tourneys that was doing quite well. it's rather rare to counter a reanimated thoracle but regardless I took it apart to build self discard prosper not long before this was announced now i want to go back. I love playing shadow of the grave, and getting bonuses from skirge familiar and bone Miser. it's a dream to have an even better containment Construct in the command zone.
I would have thought that Necropotence would have been a non-bo in this deck. I do think that Secrets of the Dead would be good
Necro is awsome. It goes in and out. But I think I should let it stay in there.
I believe Oskar’s ability will go on the stack before the exile clause on Necro
@@harrycannon2661 I didn't realize that Oskar's ability changed timing restrictions
@@crovax1375 yeah he nutty
The great thing is that Jeweled Lotus is still a turn 1 commander.
So Oskar makes your cards available immediately? Like instants? Does it avoid the casting speeds?
yes. it allows you to play it immediately. But you can't w8. It has to be the first thing you do when they are discared. If you discard several cards they all go onto the stack. So if you discard a sol ring and a mana crypt and cast both. They will both be on the stack togheter. But you can schoose what order they resolve.
@@cedhtvsweet Jesus, that's good. Thanks
juste a question, If I have Oskar, can I cast a creature if I discard a card creature during the opponent's turn ? as flash so ? please an answer !
yes you can! that is the big trick here. we can cast thassas in instant speed. Or well the entier deck is in instant speed with oskar and discard effeks.
@@cedhtv thanks youuu
Aight time to win on the stack
What do you think about see the truth? If you discard it and cast it from your graveyard, it becomes 2 mana ancestral recall
humm honestly sound nice. Yes I could see that in the deck.
What do you think of Ledger Shredder in this deck?
maybe. It is not controlled discard. It just happens now and then. But I could see someone play it. But It is not auto includ I think.
Hey mons you've got a double of necropotence
thanks fixik. I think someone said you should have that card in the deck and I thought I didn't so I added it. Typical.
should remind people they need keep decent removal because common cedh spells like Dathri Void walker and Draneth magistrate will effectively stop your win at instant speed, forcing you to win at regular speed like peasants
3:26 I don't know if you can cast them for free after discarding. I thought you can only choose one alternative casting cost, either for free or after discarding. Correct me if I'm wrong. It's like when you enable flashback on Cyclonic Rift and you can't choose flashback for overload. It's both an alternative casting cost.
I'm pretty sure it works. Oskar doesn't enforce an alternate casting cost, he merely provides "permission" to cast to the spell. If you have permission to cast a spell and aren't forced to use an alternate casting cost, you can declare any other available alternate and additional casting costs you want.
@@xdavid00 Thats exactly how it works.
Great question though 🤔 👏 👍
Divining Witch a consideration?
I personally don't like it but you can have it in the deck yes!
I think deep analysis does not help with the strat at all. It makes the deck weaker to dranith Magistrate and gravehate effects, which it already cannot handle.
Could I get your thoughts on a card I've been testing in Oskar?
I've been having great success with artificers intuition, using it you can pull all your fast mana rocks from the deck at instant speed, with many of them paying for the next one, and at worst one blue per rock.
It's led to some ridiculous games but admittedly I've only started brewing this deck less than a week ago.
DAMN! HOW DID I MISS THAT! SOO GOOD! THANKS.
@@cedhtv haha I'm glad you like it, I'll be submitting my list to the database as I truly believe it's a huge contender and can tackle the mighty blue farm as the scariest thoracle deck
would magus of the bazaar be better than merfolk looter?
Isen't that 5 mana. So expensive.
@@cedhtv Magus of the Bazaar is 2 mana. It's worth considering.
Can you cast said card later on, say 2 turns from when it's discarded? It doesn't say until the end of turn but just want to clarify
You have to cast it the moment you discard it. It has to be the first thing you do or never.
Suspend
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@@cedhtv /suspend cards have 0 mana value when discarded.
@@arturstasienko2234 just bc it ignores timing restrictions doesn’t mean it lets you ignore casting cost homie.
@@TRU3OGR3 yea, there are suspend cards with 0 cmc, Like Ancestral vision.
@@arturstasienko2234 I understand that bro, you can’t cast it off of Oskar’s discard.