It’s been an extremely long and difficult battle for me to keep myself from getting to that point. My great grandfather took his life and I witnessed my grandfather take his life. I’ve been told by medical professionals that depression that becomes so severe that suicide is an easy thought to entertain can be hereditary. For me, this fact is compounded by my everyday struggles to maintain my sobriety and to cope with normal everyday struggles to keep my head above water in terms of avoiding going into debt. Thank you, David, for sharing this interview. I’m going to purchase his book in order to improve how I can approach life.
My knees were trembling at the beginning of this video. I needed this. Shoulders feel lighter already. I can only hope everyone else feels worthy and required for all of this life stuff. One love
Attempted suicide in 1989. Bought some over-the-counter sleeping pills. I remember they worked really fast… Really really fast. Drove myself quickly to the emergency room… But not so fast as to getting a speeding ticket because time was of the essence. Last Saturday… I dialed 988 the emergency number because I needed someone to talk to. 12 hours later I dialed 988 again. Mental illness is a tough one. I have borderline personality disorder… My sister is bipolar. I am a work in progress and with the help of my good therapist… Believing in a higher power… Doing some praying… Listening to music, the radio is on many hours throughout the day. In a few more weeks I shall be 72 years old. I guess what I’m trying to say is… I have not given up on ME YET! Too bad it took me till the age of 70to start having a LIFE WISH! I have wasted decades of my life, and cannot get them back to do things differently. Wish me good luck in the future, oh and wish me good luck now. 😊❤
I’m adding a comment to the comment that I already originally left. I got three replies from… I’m crying as I’m writing this… These are heartwarming messages and I appreciate it greatly! I’m crying… But they are happy tears I want you to know that. Greatly appreciate it from all of you thank you. 😉
Really appreciate this discussion! If anyone is dealing with a dark period of life try and get help and know you are worthy of life. We are in this together!
One thing I can't stand on this subject is how often people lose someone to self harm, then post that "if you're depressed, speak up!" But, by the time you're actually in danger of harming yourself in that way, the depression has already been going on so long that its convinced you that no one cares, & maybe they would even be better off with you gone. We often can't reach out at that point, & I wish people would work harder to check in on their friends & family more often. Don't wait for people suffering to tell you, pay attention to people, check on them, make time for them - if you can.
I agree. Why is it up to the depressed person to reach out? Can you seriously not see they’ve changed? Part of my depression is not talking to anyone. Because I’m depressed. Ugh
Thank you for this video. ❤ I have struggled with this for years, I always felt so guilty having these thoughts bc on the outside I had a pretty good life and an amazing family. Sometimes just knowing there was a way out was comforting. Addiction played a big role in my life too. I’ve been sober over a year and haven’t had these thoughts for months. Thoughts and feelings aren’t facts is something I learned in recovery. But in the moment it can be extremely difficult. Looking into my dogs eyes held me back. Psychiatric hospitals are terrifying and after spending sometime there, made me realize my life wasn’t that bad. One day at a time. Be kind to people bc you never know what someone is going through.
The way i saw my suicidal thoughts and actions was as a set of options my brain was giving me due to the stressful state i was in and lack of serotonin. Just observing my thoughts and trying to rationalize it helped a lot. Suicide support groups also helped. It can take a long time to have the will and energy to live again but its worth holding out for, even if depression comes back finding ways to live with it is extremely important.
Most people in your life that's close to you. Or lives in your home. Know you are having trouble. They are so self absorbed. They don't care. Or wanna act like it's no big deal. Or act as if nothing is going on. And act as if no one would ever do it. So they don't care. Or see it as your faking it. I've seen people act like that. So many time. And it makes me sick. Suicidal people cry for help. so long before they do it. In there own way. And everyone Ignores it. It's sickening and sad. It doesn't take much to listen to people. Sometimes that's all someone needs. Is to feel heard.
Well done David for broadcasting this interview,...it's clearly a subject that no other podcaster has the balls to cover....unfortunately. I'm not a US citizen, but this topic is so much more important in your perilous environment of ubiquitous firearms.
To anyone reading this who is battling with their own demons, remember this. Life is sometimes about suffering. The only good thing about that suffering is what we learn about ourselves and the meaning we end up taking from it. Sometimes you have to fall apart and find new pieces to come back as a better person. There is always a way. Don’t give up on yourself.
Fantastic interview. Thank you, David, for delving into this fraught topic. Regarding philosophy as a protective measure I found it interesting that I gravitated heavily towards Stoicism before becoming suicidal, but found philosophy to be ultimately hollow when I found I would rather not exist. It took a psychologist repeatedly encouraging me to seriously look into becoming religious for me to find a mental construct that has kept me alive the last ten years post my combat ptsd diagnosis. I did find a faith that reminded me greatly of Stoicism, as well as mirroring many Buddhist philosophies, in the Baha'i Faith. The ritual aspect of it has been helpful as well in grounding me and keeping things in perspective. I still have ideation, a lot, particularly when life gets difficult as it is at present for me, but I now have something to live for. That said, I don't have access to a firearm and haven't since my first suicide attempt, more than a decade ago, and think it wise for anyone even considering ending themselves to steer clear. It's just too easy to pick one up and make that final decision that can never be undone.
Do other people also feel like they’ve gotten more suicidal the more time they’ve spent on social media? To be clear, for me it’s not about being insecure because everyone appears “perfect” but about the fact that people seem incredibly cruel online and like they want others to suffer as much as possible. Views that are absolutely abhorrent from the standpoint of people I grew up with (and assumed represented the “majority” as a kid) are the norm on many internet platforms and makes me seriously wonder how many people out there want me to suffer more than anything. I fee like I don’t want to live in a world where people are like this and I’ve been losing hope in humanity ever since I started being active online. (And for god’s sake, don’t tell me to just stop using the internet. If that’s your reaction just don’t comment at all)
yes, the horrific things that happen daily make me feel hopeless and like i can’t live in this world or take another day. there has been such an extreme increase in hatred, violence, sexual violence and oppression these last few years and it’s too much for my heart.
Great that there are people who care about others. I have to say though that the “talk to a friend” advice only works if you actually have friends. Not everyone does. Very few people seem to understand why I’m hurting so much from being lonely. My parents and professionals don’t understand at all. They think I should be just as happy without any friends or any connection in life… the internet is where I end up spending most of my time and generally people in the comments (at least in the replies) seem to have as their goal to make others as miserable as humanly possible.
@celine9322, friend I feel you!! I actually only have my 2 kitties left!! My bestest boi BK went over the rainbow Bridge 6 weeks ago😢 I have a toxic, uncaring father & sister & 1 niece, but, no friends either!! My only child Holly passed away 29 yrs ago, best friend 24yrs.!! My only friend is food!!😢!!! And yt keeps my mind off of my total sad pitiful life!! I have attempted suicide so many times & I figure that's probably the way I will leave my sad a$$ existence 😔 and nobody will even know I'm gone!!! (Until I stink up the place!!!😅)
My life sucks. It doesn’t have anything to do with the things I own or my living situation. I have a loving and caring family but I always feel like I am not as good as my brothers and sister, I basically feel like the underdog. Ive been getting bullied because of my looks and my chest (I have pectus carinatum which basically makes my chest poke out) and it has really been taking a toll on my mental health.
I tried to kill myself once. They put me in a mental institution. For 3 weeks. Because I wouldn't tell them. That I regretted trying. I told them all I regret was not dying. Even though everyone told me. Tell them you regret trying. And they will send you home right away. They put me on different medications every few days. That didn't help the way I felt. A few days on one medication. is not even close to enough time to adjust to the medication. I regret it now. But I didn't then. And I've been medication free for years now. I just needed a little help then. And the hospital and Professionals never once wanted to talk about what I really needed to. They only focus on what they wanted to. That didn't help me none. And when I got home. Everyone tiptoed around me. Like I was a baby. And never brought it up for years. That doesn't help neither. Like I said before. Some people just need to feel heard and seen.
Trump keeps me on the planet. I quit all manner of things so i wouldn't miss watching him go all the way down. After seeing that, i guess ill reconsider. Seriously, in my own life i have seen suicidal ideation as a simple failure of imagination. What i couldnt tolerate was being no one and nothing. Im glad i embraced being no one and nothing. It's underrated. In fact, in our culture it's downright seditious. And i like sedition.
My finances are gone and ruined. My relationship with my lover is no longer. My daughter doesn’t want anything to do with me. I hate my life and I want out
Great video here. However at the very beginning I forgot to turn on my ad blocker and oh sweet Jesus, I forgot how oppressive and egregious TH-cam Azhar😮
@@jimmymurphy898not with that attitude. Holograms and AI exist, you could be a famous dead actor if you set your mind to it. Of course it would definitely help to be famous *before* you die, it would be pretty hard to imagine getting famous as a dead actor that nobody knew before death.
I have Tourettes Syndrome. And I've had those types of "intrusive thoughts" you referred to David. I thought I was a freak for having them lol I'm glad you do too 😂😂
It's by far the dumbest quote ever. Many people who want to exercise their right to die suffer from permanent problems. Many health conditions are permanent and permanently reduce the quality of life. Please educate yourself and talk to suicidal people about their individual autonomy and their right to exercise it.
@@theywouldnthavetocensormei9231 of course because I fight for the rights of suffering people to individual autonomy and self-determination. The right to die is a human right and assisted suicide should be legalized everywhere.
@@YunoGasai414 I somewhat agree with you in principle, an adult should have the right to take their life if that's what they really want, after all you really can't stop them if they've made up their mind. But the only reason I disagree with you practically speaking, is that I don't think we should normalize and legitimatize that, some things should be stigmatized, and taking your life is one of those things. Like I said, if someone really wants to, you ultimately can't stop them, but there are a lot, a loooooot of people who have those thoughts from time to time, but don't actually follow through. And that's a good thing. The fewer people follow through with that, the better, we definitely want to keep that inevitable number as low as we can, as a society.
This makes me cry. I hate the pain out there. Love to all of you in pain.
David I’m a mental health nurse… what a great segment! You SAVED LIVES TODAY
I can only imagine the amount of lives you’ve saved as well! Your soul must be magical! Huge thank you to David and MsCupcake39 !
It’s been an extremely long and difficult battle for me to keep myself from getting to that point. My great grandfather took his life and I witnessed my grandfather take his life. I’ve been told by medical professionals that depression that becomes so severe that suicide is an easy thought to entertain can be hereditary. For me, this fact is compounded by my everyday struggles to maintain my sobriety and to cope with normal everyday struggles to keep my head above water in terms of avoiding going into debt.
Thank you, David, for sharing this interview. I’m going to purchase his book in order to improve how I can approach life.
My knees were trembling at the beginning of this video. I needed this. Shoulders feel lighter already. I can only hope everyone else feels worthy and required for all of this life stuff. One love
Your questions are always informed and well thought-out. I always watch your interviews when one pops up on my feed. Thanks, David.
Great interview. Always happy to see more interviews on your channel
Attempted suicide in 1989. Bought some over-the-counter sleeping pills. I remember they worked really fast… Really really fast. Drove myself quickly to the emergency room… But not so fast as to getting a speeding ticket because time was of the essence. Last Saturday… I dialed 988 the emergency number because I needed someone to talk to. 12 hours later I dialed 988 again. Mental illness is a tough one. I have borderline personality disorder… My sister is bipolar. I am a work in progress and with the help of my good therapist… Believing in a higher power… Doing some praying… Listening to music, the radio is on many hours throughout the day. In a few more weeks I shall be 72 years old. I guess what I’m trying to say is… I have not given up on ME YET! Too bad it took me till the age of 70to start having a LIFE WISH! I have wasted decades of my life, and cannot get them back to do things differently. Wish me good luck in the future, oh and wish me good luck now. 😊❤
Good luck
Good luck Charlene ❤ Sending you a warm embrace from Australia, & I’m sure you’re getting virtual hugs from all around the world : )
Good luck from Holland
I’m adding a comment to the comment that I already originally left. I got three replies from… I’m crying as I’m writing this… These are heartwarming messages and I appreciate it greatly! I’m crying… But they are happy tears I want you to know that. Greatly appreciate it from all of you thank you. 😉
Good luck I love you with the strength of my Strong American Starry Eyed Profile picture.
Really appreciate this discussion! If anyone is dealing with a dark period of life try and get help and know you are worthy of life. We are in this together!
Very important to have such guests on the program!
Thanks for this interview
This discussion needed to be had
One thing I can't stand on this subject is how often people lose someone to self harm, then post that "if you're depressed, speak up!" But, by the time you're actually in danger of harming yourself in that way, the depression has already been going on so long that its convinced you that no one cares, & maybe they would even be better off with you gone. We often can't reach out at that point, & I wish people would work harder to check in on their friends & family more often. Don't wait for people suffering to tell you, pay attention to people, check on them, make time for them - if you can.
I agree. Why is it up to the depressed person to reach out? Can you seriously not see they’ve changed? Part of my depression is not talking to anyone. Because I’m depressed. Ugh
I 1000% agree. You worded it perfectly.
Thank you for this video. ❤ I have struggled with this for years, I always felt so guilty having these thoughts bc on the outside I had a pretty good life and an amazing family. Sometimes just knowing there was a way out was comforting. Addiction played a big role in my life too. I’ve been sober over a year and haven’t had these thoughts for months. Thoughts and feelings aren’t facts is something I learned in recovery. But in the moment it can be extremely difficult. Looking into my dogs eyes held me back. Psychiatric hospitals are terrifying and after spending sometime there, made me realize my life wasn’t that bad. One day at a time. Be kind to people bc you never know what someone is going through.
My dog saves me
Thank you David was tackling since a heavy mental topic.
The way i saw my suicidal thoughts and actions was as a set of options my brain was giving me due to the stressful state i was in and lack of serotonin. Just observing my thoughts and trying to rationalize it helped a lot. Suicide support groups also helped. It can take a long time to have the will and energy to live again but its worth holding out for, even if depression comes back finding ways to live with it is extremely important.
Great segment man, thanks for doing it.
Most people in your life that's close to you. Or lives in your home. Know you are having trouble. They are so self absorbed. They don't care. Or wanna act like it's no big deal. Or act as if nothing is going on. And act as if no one would ever do it. So they don't care. Or see it as your faking it. I've seen people act like that. So many time. And it makes me sick. Suicidal people cry for help. so long before they do it. In there own way. And everyone Ignores it. It's sickening and sad. It doesn't take much to listen to people. Sometimes that's all someone needs. Is to feel heard.
You are correct. If we had a broken leg someone would notice. It’s not up to the wounded to ask for help. Everyone rushes to help when it’s physical.
Great discussion David, and Clancy was spot on. Great discussion
I just finished this via audiobook. Great get David, also very pertinent, important content.
A+ interview
Well done David for broadcasting this interview,...it's clearly a subject that no other podcaster has the balls to cover....unfortunately.
I'm not a US citizen, but this topic is so much more important in your perilous environment of ubiquitous firearms.
To anyone reading this who is battling with their own demons, remember this. Life is sometimes about suffering. The only good thing about that suffering is what we learn about ourselves and the meaning we end up taking from it. Sometimes you have to fall apart and find new pieces to come back as a better person. There is always a way. Don’t give up on yourself.
Its not "sometimes " in my case. Its 24/7. I want out.
That’s why we don’t talk about it. Responses like this. You may want to consider deleting this.
Fantastic interview. Thank you, David, for delving into this fraught topic. Regarding philosophy as a protective measure I found it interesting that I gravitated heavily towards Stoicism before becoming suicidal, but found philosophy to be ultimately hollow when I found I would rather not exist. It took a psychologist repeatedly encouraging me to seriously look into becoming religious for me to find a mental construct that has kept me alive the last ten years post my combat ptsd diagnosis. I did find a faith that reminded me greatly of Stoicism, as well as mirroring many Buddhist philosophies, in the Baha'i Faith. The ritual aspect of it has been helpful as well in grounding me and keeping things in perspective. I still have ideation, a lot, particularly when life gets difficult as it is at present for me, but I now have something to live for. That said, I don't have access to a firearm and haven't since my first suicide attempt, more than a decade ago, and think it wise for anyone even considering ending themselves to steer clear. It's just too easy to pick one up and make that final decision that can never be undone.
Looks like the algorithm is burying this video because of the topic. Which is truly a shame.
Dont avoid this people. It could happen to you. Or someone near you.
Thank you David for all the great work you do, but especially for this
Do other people also feel like they’ve gotten more suicidal the more time they’ve spent on social media? To be clear, for me it’s not about being insecure because everyone appears “perfect” but about the fact that people seem incredibly cruel online and like they want others to suffer as much as possible. Views that are absolutely abhorrent from the standpoint of people I grew up with (and assumed represented the “majority” as a kid) are the norm on many internet platforms and makes me seriously wonder how many people out there want me to suffer more than anything. I fee like I don’t want to live in a world where people are like this and I’ve been losing hope in humanity ever since I started being active online. (And for god’s sake, don’t tell me to just stop using the internet. If that’s your reaction just don’t comment at all)
Yes !!!
yes, the horrific things that happen daily make me feel hopeless and like i can’t live in this world or take another day. there has been such an extreme increase in hatred, violence, sexual violence and oppression these last few years and it’s too much for my heart.
Great that there are people who care about others. I have to say though that the “talk to a friend” advice only works if you actually have friends. Not everyone does. Very few people seem to understand why I’m hurting so much from being lonely. My parents and professionals don’t understand at all. They think I should be just as happy without any friends or any connection in life… the internet is where I end up spending most of my time and generally people in the comments (at least in the replies) seem to have as their goal to make others as miserable as humanly possible.
@celine9322, friend I feel you!! I actually only have my 2 kitties left!! My bestest boi BK went over the rainbow Bridge 6 weeks ago😢 I have a toxic, uncaring father & sister & 1 niece, but, no friends either!! My only child Holly passed away 29 yrs ago, best friend 24yrs.!! My only friend is food!!😢!!! And yt keeps my mind off of my total sad pitiful life!! I have attempted suicide so many times & I figure that's probably the way I will leave my sad a$$ existence 😔 and nobody will even know I'm gone!!! (Until I stink up the place!!!😅)
I’ve been wanting to die lately and this was genuinely helpful
I haven't seen all this yet but if you reply to me I will be all ears. Much love to you x
Hope you have a good day soon. 🙂
God this was just so real and direct and i appreciate it so much right now. Thankyou
My life sucks. It doesn’t have anything to do with the things I own or my living situation. I have a loving and caring family but I always feel like I am not as good as my brothers and sister, I basically feel like the underdog. Ive been getting bullied because of my looks and my chest
(I have pectus carinatum which basically makes my chest poke out) and it has really been taking a toll on my mental health.
Thank you for sharing this important information. ❤️🩹
Thank you. Some people don’t have friends or family tho to reach out to.
Mine are tired of hearing it. I stopped talking about it. I can't wait for my life to be over.
True
My friend is food!! My best friend is Reese p'nut butter cups!😊
@@celine9322 ❤️🩹
@@kayfitzgerald309 that made me laugh 😆
Outstanding interview
You tube is trying to sensor your video
I tried to kill myself once. They put me in a mental institution. For 3 weeks. Because I wouldn't tell them. That I regretted trying. I told them all I regret was not dying. Even though everyone told me. Tell them you regret trying. And they will send you home right away. They put me on different medications every few days. That didn't help the way I felt. A few days on one medication. is not even close to enough time to adjust to the medication. I regret it now. But I didn't then. And I've been medication free for years now. I just needed a little help then. And the hospital and Professionals never once wanted to talk about what I really needed to. They only focus on what they wanted to. That didn't help me none. And when I got home. Everyone tiptoed around me. Like I was a baby. And never brought it up for years. That doesn't help neither. Like I said before. Some people just need to feel heard and seen.
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Trump keeps me on the planet. I quit all manner of things so i wouldn't miss watching him go all the way down. After seeing that, i guess ill reconsider.
Seriously, in my own life i have seen suicidal ideation as a simple failure of imagination. What i couldnt tolerate was being no one and nothing.
Im glad i embraced being no one and nothing. It's underrated. In fact, in our culture it's downright seditious. And i like sedition.
It's great that the Samaritans phone number is at the top. Caring is NOT out of fashion.
thank you
My finances are gone and ruined. My relationship with my lover is no longer. My daughter doesn’t want anything to do with me. I hate my life and I want out
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Great video here. However at the very beginning I forgot to turn on my ad blocker and oh sweet Jesus, I forgot how oppressive and egregious TH-cam Azhar😮
This seems interesting. I have thought a lot about suicide but glad I never went through with it.
@@sergeant_salty True plus I want to be a working actor and on hbo shows and stuff like that. Can't exactly do that if I'm dead.
@@jimmymurphy898not with that attitude. Holograms and AI exist, you could be a famous dead actor if you set your mind to it. Of course it would definitely help to be famous *before* you die, it would be pretty hard to imagine getting famous as a dead actor that nobody knew before death.
Why am I not able to share this video... Is anyone else having this issue ?
THIS GUY.
Suicide is what some do, when they've run out of options.
I have Tourettes Syndrome. And I've had those types of "intrusive thoughts" you referred to David. I thought I was a freak for having them lol I'm glad you do too 😂😂
With tourettes, the thoughts have an extra element of unavoidability
Looks like TH-cam banned this video
I heard this quote somewhere that really put this into perspective:
"It's a permanent solution to a temporary problem."
It's by far the dumbest quote ever. Many people who want to exercise their right to die suffer from permanent problems. Many health conditions are permanent and permanently reduce the quality of life. Please educate yourself and talk to suicidal people about their individual autonomy and their right to exercise it.
@@YunoGasai414I bet you're fun at parties.
@@theywouldnthavetocensormei9231 of course because I fight for the rights of suffering people to individual autonomy and self-determination. The right to die is a human right and assisted suicide should be legalized everywhere.
@@YunoGasai414 I somewhat agree with you in principle, an adult should have the right to take their life if that's what they really want, after all you really can't stop them if they've made up their mind. But the only reason I disagree with you practically speaking, is that I don't think we should normalize and legitimatize that, some things should be stigmatized, and taking your life is one of those things. Like I said, if someone really wants to, you ultimately can't stop them, but there are a lot, a loooooot of people who have those thoughts from time to time, but don't actually follow through. And that's a good thing. The fewer people follow through with that, the better, we definitely want to keep that inevitable number as low as we can, as a society.
Some problems last a lifetime.
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Are you ok, David?