cool , probably leave the roller bearing proud of the mild steel so that in the forge you have a forged high carbon edge and blended body/spine, no idea if it would work just a thought.
Like the way you experiment on the video and the running narration of what you are doing and why. Some sometimes you win but you never lose, just add to the education of what works and what doesn't, keep it up!!
This is what I love about this channel and this guy. Out of all the forging Channels I follow, never saw someone using this sort of technique. Cheers man🎉🎉🎉
I never would have thought of this technique, so thanks for trying it and saving me from several hours of frustration. I was just given a bearing race from a concrete truck, and am holding off doing anything with it until I've thought about it more. It's huge!
Great vid brother, the only way to find out what works is to try it. It’s only a mistake if u don’t learn from it. Just subscribed today, the beard got me, u look like u could be my doppelgänger 🤣
Always love watching your videos you give us a lot of insight unfortunately I still can't do the copper damascus i keep messing up because of the temperature difference between the copper and steel but i will keep trying. Keep up the good work God bless
Have you tried heating them separately to temp, then making a San Mai taco for the copper to slot into just before pressing for the weld? Could be easier to keep track of the heat of each both being visible in a forge, though it might be tricky to keep them clean enough.
Thanks for a great video. I wonder if grinding a groove in the mild steel billet and then laying the bearings down horizontally end- to- end would give different results? Don't know but maybe it would give better results. Thanks for trying "stuff" with us watching. I try "stuff" too, but i do it when only the spiders and birds are watchin.'😉😃The LORD bless and keep you and your family, my brother.
Well it was an interesting build none the less. I wonder if you would have had more success in drilling out the middle to create a trough of sorts and then instead of pushing the bearing material in vertical like you did laying them down horizontal end to end in the trough you drill out. Then when forge welding have the billet upside down so the bearings don't have a chance to fall out and pressing it so the top die would be pushing down against the bearing material and then moving to the sides after that. Anyways just a thought thanks for sharing its always interesting seeing an experiment. I tried my own experiment not to long ago doing some canister damascus with needle bearings in which I layed all the needle bearings in rows roughly 5 or 6 across to fit the width of can material I was using and then filled the entire bottom of the canister with multiple rows so it ended up being something along the lines of 5 to 6 side by side and probably 15-20 from mouth to end of canister so the entire bottom of the can was neat rows of needle bearings. Once I got them all layed out and aligned I put 1080 powder with 4% nickel to fill the can. It was an extremely difficult to scoop the powder in and make sure I didn't disrupt all the rows and lines I had made. But I finally got it and welded the top of the can and threw it in my forge and let it get up to heat. I let it soak for a while and then started the forge welding process. All was going well or so I thought and I got to the point where I thought I could remove the can and so I did but after I removed the can and tried to draw out the billet it started cracking and falling apart in 1 inch sections roughly. Going to try again in the future and take more care with it to see if I can't get it to work out. If it doesn't work I'll have at the very least gotten experience from the whole thing. Good luck if you ever decide you want to try what I did I can try to explain it in more detail.
Great experiment. If there was a shortage of high carbon steel, you could build the knife like an axe head, ie split the face edge and put in a pre forged carbon insert. Loved the experiment though.
失败留下的经验，就像路边的灯光。为我们照亮成功的方向。继续下去吧！为你点赞！The experience left by failure is like the roadside light. Light up the direction of success for us. Go on! Like you!
I would love to see a carbon edge, mild or wrought iron section,damascus middle then wrought iron back and see how well it holds up in bend test. Im curious if the edge and center being carbon steel will add enough resilience.
Glad I finished the video before commenting. I was going to ask about the mild steel between the bearing steel. At first I thought you was going to weld a piece on for the cutting edge.
Do you think if you drilled a log hole through the mild block and then filled the empty tube with the bearing one on top of another you might get better consistency?
I seen some kind of Damascus (or pattern welded whatever) called spirograph Damascus and it looked pretty cool. Not sure how it was made but could you do some research and try it out?
I wonder what would happen if the rollers would be pressed into a zig zag pattern so the high carbon rollers would be stacked more on top of each other instead of in a linear pattern. Just a thought, I really like your testing out new ideas. Of course the billet could have been cut and stacked a few times to spread the high/low carbon steels but the damascus pattern would probably just be obliterated. Very interesting, love your channel, keep thinking outside the box.
Given the size of the roller bearings (that to me, look pretty good size), what COULD you make with them, as a complete project? Throwing knives? Knife blades for a folder? Can opener? Darts?
This is an interesting idea. what if you did the same experiment but after initial forge welding, cut the bar straight down the middle and forge weld in a high carbon plate in between. Then forge out the blade. Super cool pattern.
@@FireCreekForge hmmm. Lots of flux, and with the hole drilled clean through, would the scale not be pressed through and out? Of course, then you need to clean the forge. Eh. It was an idea.
is it possible to use this technique to make a "rain drop" damascus? i know that rain drop requires drilling holes but what if it was a modified rain drop? is it possible to keep the forging to a minimum to retain the roller bearing in the blade?
i was wondering since the start how he would het the soft spots off the edge. so canister is the only viable way? of corse you could flatten the rollers and weld them togethwr, but i guess is too much work
@@lairdcummings9092 the medium carbon should get some carbon from the rollers like what happened here, and get closer to a higher carbon content and a better edge
Well, if you try this with a better steel it might work but the fit around the rollers will always be an issue unless you purposely make the holes a bit 1/1000 th smaller then use liquid nitrogen to shrink the rollers before putting them in.
Not great results in mild steel but you could easily use this in 1084 , making the holes the bearings are pressed into a little smaller would make the welding process even more successful although pressing them in might get interesting. Cool idea I an liking these experimental videos a lot, very thought provoking.....I also like to see if I can envisage problems before you start, sometimes I am right and sometimes surprised. please keep them coming .
I don't see this as a failure... it performed in a way that I'm sure you had suspected that it would. and it looked good up until it broke. And I gotta say, in the kitchen, it would have likely lasted years. You'd have had to keep an eye on its edge to keep it sharp, but I'm sure it would have performed and felt better than a store bought faberware or some other cheapy department store knife at any rate.
Ummm, maybe tack a bunch of rollers together and forge them into a billet? Then use that as a piece of edge steel? Probably a supreme pain in the arse but there it is.
if u really want international viewership... dont speak and just do ur work in videos.. there is a language barrier for many guys.. but if u keep silent.. ur video will praised and subs by non english speakers also...
Ожидаемый результат, зря потраченное время и ресурсы. Сырая сталь не самый лучший вариант. Тут либо брать сталь с 0.6-0.8% углерода, либо делать цементацию.
Seems to me that you are on to something pretty good, just need to play with it some and figure out how to keep the low carbon steel at the spine and the bearings at the edge. If you put in the time then you can take advantage of literally tons of free material that would otherwise go in a landfill. Bonus there is that then you can advertise "made from recycled materials" for people like me that hate all the waste that comes from a throw-away culture.
"And then I pretended I had a BIG power hammer" that cracked me up, the delivery was perfect.
I really love that you experiment and show us the failures just like the victories. I really appreciate the dichotomy. Thanks man
I can watch and learn from you all day. I'm not a blacksmith but a nurse just scrolling. I'm hooked. I want to forge steel!!! New subbie! Great work!
Thank you for showing all aspects of knife making, the ups and downs. I appreciate it, sir.
This is why making stuff is fun. You can have fun and learn lessons that will make you better. Great watching you as always.
Very cool idea, I'm glad you tried it, thanks for putting this up!
Fire has some nice tools. Great work. It sucks to get old. 25 yrs shop welder.
Super cool that you shared this with us. Doesn't strike me as a failure at all!
Learning by experimenting, I like 👍. Very entertaining as well.
Another great video! Even though the experiment didn't turn out as you had hoped it was a great learning experience! Thanks again!
Glad you enjoyed it!
This was fun to see. I appreciate you posting your experiments and things that work and don't work. Thanks for the video!
It was an awesome idea man! Keep being creative and putting out great content!
"Safety 3rd" would make a good slogan on merch.
Sorry. ‘Rocket City Rednecks’ was using that a decade ago.
cool , probably leave the roller bearing proud of the mild steel so that in the forge you have a forged high carbon edge and blended body/spine, no idea if it would work just a thought.
Cool idea man. Love that you’re trying stuff out 👍
Everytime you learn. Thank you for the insights how to not make a knife. Always very inspirational and interesting what you share with us. Thank you 🙏
Thank you for the contact I look forward for some more videos thank you
Like the way you experiment on the video and the running narration of what you are doing and why. Some sometimes you win but you never lose, just add to the education of what works and what doesn't, keep it up!!
Thank you for doing that experiment. I also wondered if something like that would work.
This is what I love about this channel and this guy. Out of all the forging Channels I follow, never saw someone using this sort of technique. Cheers man🎉🎉🎉
I never would have thought of this technique, so thanks for trying it and saving me from several hours of frustration. I was just given a bearing race from a concrete truck, and am holding off doing anything with it until I've thought about it more. It's huge!
Finally, one of your knives I can afford. lol.
Negative results are still results, and a net positive for everyone in the long run. 👍
I love that you edited and posted a failed experiment instead of it being on the editor floor.
Very cool experiment! Sometimes, a sacrifice is required.
Awesome videos. Would like to see a Phantom Blade done.
Great vid brother, the only way to find out what works is to try it. It’s only a mistake if u don’t learn from it. Just subscribed today, the beard got me, u look like u could be my doppelgänger 🤣
I would rather try and fail than to fail to try love your work
As long as you are always learning, nothing is truly a failure.
Wonder if it would work well to have the drilled hole go the length of the steel instead of multiple holes along the edge. 🤔
I like those gorrilla welds on your press. uggly but strong., nice build
Thank you
Thanks for the video.
Always love watching your videos you give us a lot of insight unfortunately I still can't do the copper damascus i keep messing up because of the temperature difference between the copper and steel but i will keep trying. Keep up the good work God bless
Have you tried heating them separately to temp, then making a San Mai taco for the copper to slot into just before pressing for the weld? Could be easier to keep track of the heat of each both being visible in a forge, though it might be tricky to keep them clean enough.
Thanks for a great video. I wonder if grinding a groove in the mild steel billet and then laying the bearings down horizontally end- to- end would give different results? Don't know but maybe it would give better results. Thanks for trying "stuff" with us watching. I try "stuff" too, but i do it when only the spiders and birds are watchin.'😉😃The LORD bless and keep you and your family, my brother.
Thanks I appreciate it!
Well it was an interesting build none the less. I wonder if you would have had more success in drilling out the middle to create a trough of sorts and then instead of pushing the bearing material in vertical like you did laying them down horizontal end to end in the trough you drill out. Then when forge welding have the billet upside down so the bearings don't have a chance to fall out and pressing it so the top die would be pushing down against the bearing material and then moving to the sides after that. Anyways just a thought thanks for sharing its always interesting seeing an experiment. I tried my own experiment not to long ago doing some canister damascus with needle bearings in which I layed all the needle bearings in rows roughly 5 or 6 across to fit the width of can material I was using and then filled the entire bottom of the canister with multiple rows so it ended up being something along the lines of 5 to 6 side by side and probably 15-20 from mouth to end of canister so the entire bottom of the can was neat rows of needle bearings. Once I got them all layed out and aligned I put 1080 powder with 4% nickel to fill the can. It was an extremely difficult to scoop the powder in and make sure I didn't disrupt all the rows and lines I had made. But I finally got it and welded the top of the can and threw it in my forge and let it get up to heat. I let it soak for a while and then started the forge welding process. All was going well or so I thought and I got to the point where I thought I could remove the can and so I did but after I removed the can and tried to draw out the billet it started cracking and falling apart in 1 inch sections roughly. Going to try again in the future and take more care with it to see if I can't get it to work out. If it doesn't work I'll have at the very least gotten experience from the whole thing. Good luck if you ever decide you want to try what I did I can try to explain it in more detail.
GOOD ONE, KEEP SAFE...
Great experiment. If there was a shortage of high carbon steel, you could build the knife like an axe head, ie split the face edge and put in a pre forged carbon insert. Loved the experiment though.
失败留下的经验，就像路边的灯光。为我们照亮成功的方向。继续下去吧！为你点赞！The experience left by failure is like the roadside light. Light up the direction of success for us. Go on! Like you!
I would love to see a carbon edge, mild or wrought iron section,damascus middle then wrought iron back and see how well it holds up in bend test. Im curious if the edge and center being carbon steel will add enough resilience.
Glad I finished the video before commenting. I was going to ask about the mild steel between the bearing steel. At first I thought you was going to weld a piece on for the cutting edge.
Do you think if you drilled a log hole through the mild block and then filled the empty tube with the bearing one on top of another you might get better consistency?
I seen some kind of Damascus (or pattern welded whatever) called spirograph Damascus and it looked pretty cool. Not sure how it was made but could you do some research and try it out?
I wonder what would happen if the rollers would be pressed into a zig zag pattern so the high carbon rollers would be stacked more on top of each other instead of in a linear pattern. Just a thought, I really like your testing out new ideas. Of course the billet could have been cut and stacked a few times to spread the high/low carbon steels but the damascus pattern would probably just be obliterated. Very interesting, love your channel, keep thinking outside the box.
Fantastic
I really liked the video anyway ... it was a good idea to try. :)
Given the size of the roller bearings (that to me, look pretty good size), what COULD you make with them, as a complete project? Throwing knives? Knife blades for a folder? Can opener? Darts?
This is an interesting idea. what if you did the same experiment but after initial forge welding, cut the bar straight down the middle and forge weld in a high carbon plate in between. Then forge out the blade. Super cool pattern.
I think a cannister would have been a winner
Still a great video. Thank you
That would have taken me weeks to do
what if you forged the rollers into a bilit then added it to the low carbin steal
A safer way would’ve been to freeze the bearings with dry ice and rubbing alcohol. They’d of slid into place and held a press fit after they thawed
10:05 “Throw things at the wall and see what sticks “
Yeah, it’s always the sh!t that sticks, unfortunately. 😝. We’ve all been there.
I'm not an expert, but I have an idea, the same way you would do with bearings but cast them horizontal side by side.
Interesting.
I'm wondering what you'd get if you tried medium carbon steel as the matrix material?
I think that would make a serviceable knife
@@FireCreekForge also, I'm wondering if you'd get a tighter fit and better weld by hot-pressing the rollers?
@@lairdcummings9092 yep I thought about that but worried about forge scale inside
@@FireCreekForge hmmm.
Lots of flux, and with the hole drilled clean through, would the scale not be pressed through and out?
Of course, then you need to clean the forge.
Eh. It was an idea.
That was a cool "fail".
How are those foil gloves ? Are they holding up well?
is it possible to use this technique to make a "rain drop" damascus? i know that rain drop requires drilling holes but what if it was a modified rain drop? is it possible to keep the forging to a minimum to retain the roller bearing in the blade?
i was wondering since the start how he would het the soft spots off the edge.
so canister is the only viable way? of corse you could flatten the rollers and weld them togethwr, but i guess is too much work
Wondering what might have happened with medium carbon steel?
@@lairdcummings9092 the medium carbon should get some carbon from the rollers like what happened here, and get closer to a higher carbon content and a better edge
@@kassiog.6595 that's what I'm thinking.
Might only ever be a novelty, but why not? Stranger things have been tried.
I've been looking for a glove like you had. Can you tell me where I can find one. Thanks
Well, if you try this with a better steel it might work but the fit around the rollers will always be an issue unless you purposely make the holes a bit 1/1000 th smaller then use liquid nitrogen to shrink the rollers before putting them in.
If there's a way to not use a canister to forge roller bearings - well you'll find it next time I guess, ha.
Not great results in mild steel but you could easily use this in 1084 , making the holes the bearings are pressed into a little smaller would make the welding process even more successful although pressing them in might get interesting.
Cool idea I an liking these experimental videos a lot, very thought provoking.....I also like to see if I can envisage problems before you start, sometimes I am right and sometimes surprised. please keep them coming .
please make a batch of cast-iron bronze and make a blade.
I don't see this as a failure... it performed in a way that I'm sure you had suspected that it would. and it looked good up until it broke. And I gotta say, in the kitchen, it would have likely lasted years. You'd have had to keep an eye on its edge to keep it sharp, but I'm sure it would have performed and felt better than a store bought faberware or some other cheapy department store knife at any rate.
Ummm, maybe tack a bunch of rollers together and forge them into a billet? Then use that as a piece of edge steel? Probably a supreme pain in the arse but there it is.
one way to do the 90 bend for js
Ouch
Well on the bright side if Jay Nelson retires you can replace him lol.
من این چاقو رو میخوام لطفا برام ارسال کنید ایران چکار کنم
Pretty sure you stole your “new” center punch technique from me…
if u really want international viewership... dont speak and just do ur work in videos.. there is a language barrier for many guys.. but if u keep silent.. ur video will praised and subs by non english speakers also...
Ожидаемый результат, зря потраченное время и ресурсы. Сырая сталь не самый лучший вариант. Тут либо брать сталь с 0.6-0.8% углерода, либо делать цементацию.
Seems to me that you are on to something pretty good, just need to play with it some and figure out how to keep the low carbon steel at the spine and the bearings at the edge. If you put in the time then you can take advantage of literally tons of free material that would otherwise go in a landfill. Bonus there is that then you can advertise "made from recycled materials" for people like me that hate all the waste that comes from a throw-away culture.
10:05 “Throw things at the wall and see what sticks “
Yeah, it’s always the sh!t that sticks, unfortunately. 😝. We’ve all been there.