Feels weird to see a video complaining about Charybdis's design and it's not me complaining about her for once. I have like 4k on her and I agree with a lot of the criticisms in your video.
This is a well researched and wonderfully presented video on why charybdis is the clunkiest character in smite. The timing of the clips to provide visual examples was well edited, especially the glitch pertaining to the ult. Even if the developers don't rework her kit, i hope these arguments help to improve designs in the future.
As someone who has dedicated himself to play her for most of my games, I agree with what you state in this video and I do also agree that the changes you provide does sound well for her to make her different to play rather be more fun or just better to play as, I know many people come with the argument that she does need a rework, although I partially agree I feel like she needs more QoL changes or improvements to her base kit without needing to rework, and it can work fine as it is, but a rework with some new ideas does sound interesting, part of the problem I sometimes see with Charyb and some other characters that do need some tweaks is that she and the others are in the bottom of the list of priorities, obviously part of the reason for this comes down on god popularity, stats and so on, of course, I am not saying "drop the balance changes and skins and rework the bad gods" but I rather have a well-rounded change that I have seen they have tried more recently in comparison to previous season because they want the Smite 2 transition to go smoother That's all I have to say, great video and thanks to bring out these stuff to spotlight, and the team will be able to work on her and many of the gods that does need some changes big or small
Personally, I have never found the attack speed thing to be the biggest issue, but it would be interesting to see an increase in a different stat. Although considering the current state of warriors, more pen on a hunter is pain. Additionally I think the reasoning behind her 1 is that you essentially get a free Griffonwing and its as wide as a Nu Wa metal shard so that's why they kept the debuff, but I wholeheartedly agree that shouldn't exist. For the 2, it serves as good ambush and a good way to get small value out of lane, but costs way too much. The 3 is perfect, don't touch it imo. It allows for cheesy escapes, sure, but its not super fast and easy to interrupt which is something you touched on. the ultimate is an abomination that doesnt work half the time in tight spaces because there is no room for it to cast so the game just says "nope". Charybdis is my second favorite god in the game and I would love to see some improvements but I actually love the way the kit feels minus the ult. Imo her issue is more stat allocation like what you said with the passive. Along with some animation issues that tbf a lot of gods suffer from due to the nature of smite 1's engine and the poor feedback between the movement penalty while attacking to moving at normal speeds.
Quality of this video is fantastic. Should do one on Terra. I feel like she was one of the cooler releases, but has really fallen out of grace due to the healing rework, and how her kit is clunky and slow compared to other guardians. Such as the over-reliance on her dash to access half her kit. Yes, she now has her dash at lvl 1 for free, but on a 20 second cooldown. She feels better at level 1, but still feels clunky all around after that, especially her passive.
I do think Terra is very telegraphed but also very strong in the right hands. Very safe lane bully with hard counters though such as Ares or wall gods. But I get where you're coming from. Idk if you were around for old Nike but that's the vibe Terra gives me sometimes where you need to use another ability to actually get full value from the one you're trying to use
@@TranquillizeMe_ Yeah, was there for the Nike rework. Terra can be really good, but my problem is that half her kit can be useless given all the updates. It's better to shatter everything rather than keeping it up for heals, pressure, or for the passive. Her passive can be pretty strong early game, but the lack of proper scaling, and typically she has low attack speed, you can't really utilize it unless you aa-cancel, and even then it doesnt provide much dmg or utility. Just make her passive feel more impactful throughout the game, make her heal decent, and maybe add a slow to anyone who passes in between her walls. With enough movement speed, people can just run through the walls, even if you aim it ahead of them. Just some QoL changes, like making her dash last 3s after casting on a rock, or make the dash significantly faster.
i totally agree with what u said, despite the god being the only hunter i play ( i hate hunter,but i love charybdis, idk why) considering what they could change : Passive : having the tide charge way faster (kinda like poseidon who can charge in a 4 or 5 auto) 1 : 100% agree with you 2 : have the full effect from the start, but gettin it to last longer the more you charge (and comsume less tide) 3 : 100% agree with you 4 : get the push area to be bigger, and cast faster
She's potentially my favorite god and I will honestly agree with a lot of the complaints. Honestly like using her abilities almost feels pointless in a lot of scenarios just because of the anti-synergy with her passive. Passive rework would be cool but I feel like making the 1 get rid of the item proc debuff does fix a lot of her issues though. And this change isn't that crazy to ask since Izanami's ability does this. Her 2 is decent; just I feel the protection shred + slow needs to be higher at the startup, maybe make it only scale to 30% BUT the charge time is significantly faster since the issue with this ability is that it makes no sense to full-charge it, meaning if the charge time is quick enough then you'll at the very least be able to throw in a half-charge to get a 15-20% debuff which winds up being worthwhile. This MIGHT might make her too good just because her auto attack chain + having a decent escape tool and a CC immunity ult that gives movement speed makes her super safe but who knows.
I have about 10 diamonds and 50 or so masteries. I've played a lot of Smite but not as much as others. I'd never played as Charybdis before watching this video, but after getting some masteries on her, I've got to agree with all your points. ESPECIALLY being clunky omg she feels so wrong to play really hope she gets a different passive, full rework, or something in between.
I mean to fix her 1's anti synergy issue, make the spikes apply on hit effects if they don't already so you stack tide faster rather than slower and heal for more from lifesteal and potentially can make you super strong in a crit/attack speed build. Make her 2 not consume tide and instead provide the shred when you are at maximum tide to make it worth stopping attacking to cast. Make her 3 her ultimate, where she has unique auto's for everyone in the maws radius that deals more damage based on missing health and when someone dies its duration gets refreshed and the maw grows in size, but to compensate, lower the duration of the ult and remove the knockup that way you have to still activate it on top of people. Or make the duration tied to tide, in that it will last so long as you have tide and enemies that die in it will refill your tide bar. Make her new 3 a movement ability to help get around, potentially something that has crowd control in it like a stun or a tremor that can also be refreshed on kills so that Charybdis becomes like an hunter/assassin so we can use her in the jungle if we want. Might be a bit too strong so numbers will have to be changed but yeah.
That would be so cool if we got a boss ultimate for a squishy character for once. Have her turn into a sea monster that gives her machine gun autos. Or maybe give her close range abilities in her ult form and have her autos suck people toward her. The ultimate she has now is so lame
I do agree that she doesn't really feel good to play but not unplayable. I think they are going to remove that item proc damage reduction fully before too long if they don't give her some more synergy. With her Ult I honestly would like if they removed the distance aspect of it and just had it as a cone in front of her. She could still move around, the cast time could be much faster, and no longer have that awkward self-root. They could adjust the cone to be just a little bit bigger and hit just a little harder. Something that would be cool is if they set it up in a way that she could Ult from her 3 with that change. There is also the idea that it could change from a cone to a circle while in the 3 to make it like a semi-Sobek Ult. Lots of different ways to give her something to make her feel better to play.
I have 4k worshippers on Charybdis and i literally started playing her as a handicap so I didn’t stomp games while playing with a friend that was newer to the game. At some point i just got better at Charybdis than every other god and now she’s my favorite. Her kit design is terrible but i still love her for some reason.
Even if they changed her 1, I still think it's the ability you should rank third. The only thing leveling the 1 does is increase damage to minion (who cares you're still clearing wave extremely quickly with items or you can just use your 2) and adding more damage to your splinters which, correct me if I'm wrong, doesn't proc on hit so for laning phase it's pretty much useless. Adding the full item damage is a good idea tho, but I would love for them to keep the item damage debuff as it is and try and add item effects to the splinters and see how it feels in late game teamfights (with a 10 or 20% damage only on splinters even though I guess Obow would be too broken). That could be fun. Your 2 you do have to channel but it's really a fight opening ability or something you recast when the ennemy is doing something else (like dashing/jumping, aegis etc). This is what you want to level first for the flat damage it does and the 115% scaling if you charge it fully (290+115% that hits like a truck). You can basically one shot the wave with this and hit the ennemy ADC and follow up with autos. While I get the point, I don't think the ability is bad by any mean and it's not something you'd use midfight while trading autos anyway IMO. I think of it like AMC 3 where you won't just use the ability while trading autos cause it takes too long and you're better off just AA. Same thing with Jing Wei Tornado, you're not knocking yourself up in the middle of trading autos or other abilities like that. Her three is probably what you should lvl next because of the CDR & damage (cause once again leveling the 1 doesn't increase the damage against gods anyway), it doesn't need any changes, refunding the tide if you hit ennemies can be a nice QOL and I don't think it'd be that strong anyway. I've never been bothered by her passive, it's a nice passive that they matched with Poseidon for lore, which I'm fine with personnally. I think the passive charges quickly enough with her 1 that even when you lose it with your 2 it comes back quickly enough and late game you'll go from 2.5 to 2.3 or something for a couple autos which is honestly fine IMO. You definitely feel it more early game but you kinda need to, because giving free attack speed (17.5% at lvl 10 which is a lot) makes an ADC completely broken (Hachiman). I don't think giving her more pen would be wise because you'd have to give her such a low amount to not make her broken that it would be useless. AA damage is kind of the same, her whole thing is that her attack chain does more damage than a regular hunter (except heim) but you have to hit everything. If you give her more AA power when she already does more damage you'd have to make sure the numbers are incredibly low if you don't want to make her completely busted. I just think Attack Speed is the easiest stat to make it so you can feel the effect of the passive in game while not making her completely busted. As for her ult, I think they should mainly quicken the animation by quite a lot so it's not as easy to dodge as well as perhaps give her damage mitigation BUT only when she is in the animation. Giving her damage mitigation during the entire ult is a bit too much because it's already such a get away for free ability, if you add damage mitigation on top of it she just becomes much too safe. So rewarding her for actually using the ult as intended yes, adding more cheesy stats to it no. Or just rework the whole thing that would work too.
Nice video! I have always been really salty about how Charybdis could have been a really cool monster god which I think we could use more but instead we get another one like Scylla aesthetically which I'm not really a big fan of. Yes I understand that Scylla and Charybdis are monster gods but I don't like the aesthetic of them, Charybdis is not as cool as she could have been and it makes me a little disappointed.
5:35 This is, I think, the same as happens with Hercules 1 or Bake's dash: since it stuns and pushes, probably the stun stops the ability and so the target is no longer knockback immune
Those have other CC elements to it like stuns which is why that happens. However this is I guess a "push" which IMO is a form of Knockback but the game doesn't seem to feel that way lol. Kali wouldn't get pushed at all if what you said was the case since her hlt can't be canceled
I hope in smite 2 we get a little more creative with adcs as a whole. I think nut was a step in the right direction, but for the love of god are hunter releases so sleep when I know there just an AA bot with your standard disengage. I think having short range hunters more involved with skirmishes like idk kindred from league as an example could be pretty cool. Shit I think Artemis could fit that role to a tee if they ever rework her. Really random I’m aware but I don’t know hunters make me feel things
Tbh i kinda like that her abilities consume her att speed buff bc it makes me think when to user them ore when to save them, for me what feels more clunky is the ult and her 2 although i dont consider her 2 a horrible ability
Charybdis legit feels like they couldnt decide if they wanted to make a mage or a hunter, tried both and it just... didnt work. Hopefully in Smite 2 she gets a rework, but i cant see her as a priority to port over do to her low popularity.
personally as a charybdis otp i love her kit how it is, i really hope they don’t fully rework her and just change her ult. with her recent changes though im very excited
honestly I play Charybdis a decent bit (shes my main on adc role) and frankly the only change I think she needs is that you can move around while casting your ult and have the entire line of it do damage (as well as push people) instead of JUST at cone at the end, besides that if you build properly shes way to much fun
It's odd to build her, but I made my own builds for her, and they worked. Until they got rid of the items, and I had to rework multiple build. There are definitely problems with her that could be changed, but she is still viable.
Simple fix would have her ult pull or vortex enemies so she’s in range to fire her 2 or 3 offensively and then have a better chance of getting more autos off, instead of pushing enemies out of range for her entire kit
Please, im begging you, ive been sent this video at least 8 times - set me free of the mortal chains that bind me (I have the highest worshipers in smite on charybdis as of now)
they could have made a cool sea monster, but they instead tried to mix poseidon and scylla into the clunkiest adc, it's all like : "look, she's a little girl with hidden monster part, just like scylla ! look, she has a big ultimate where her monster part do a lot of damage and it reset on kill, just like scylla ! " charybdis in mythos is a whirlpool that is so destructive that ships would rather face scylla and have half of their crew eaten alive. none of this is felt in her visual design or kit design
I have 0 issues with her, currently have 11 stars with her and I notice the passive being weird, but the rest is really just becoming custom to the character and actually being good
Her design is just lazy and lacking in ambition or inspiration. They just took Scylla, copied her over to Charybdis, then tried to make the god, rather starting with Charybdis herself. Should be a complete make over, tbh. I imagined Charybdis as a literal whirlpool monster of a Guardian with tons of CC and pulling effects..... Not whatever tf this creature is, but it's definitely not Charybdis lol
Loved this video’s layout and enjoyed hearing your thoughts on chary. Is it possible to look into other gods with similar bad designs like bake kujura and or outdated kit designs like bakasura
Yeah the 1 just sucks I remember my first time playing her and I couldn't use my relics when my 1 was activated and it got me killed a few times not being able to pop my beads no idea if it's been changed but I wouldn't know it was the last time I played this garbage fire of a god 😂
Tho I love Cherry and it would be cool to see her buffed that ult change would be cracked. I could just Imagine someone hop on me mid game I turn pop the instant cast ult push em back stun and auto em down before they can move😂
Charybdis is one of the shining examples that the Smite devteam needs to stop falling into the conventional tropes they do when they design a god and may need a talking too. First off they folded to the fans there were alot of people requesting Charybdis even though she is just a whirlpool and you cant do much with that (though in myth her monster form looks like a seal but i'll get into that later). 2nd they had to follow the same formula they do with practically every god a pinpoint skill shot that does high damage, a dash or movement ability of some sort, a skill that does something unique but doesn't end up defining the character, and either an extremely powerful or underwhelming ult. Then they did the stupid thing of WE NEED MORE MONSTERS but instead of actually making her unique they made her look like scylla because they want to have an "Annie" from League character and if Scylla is that way then she has to look that way because we can't have 2 sisters look completely different even though they are cursed. Finally they tried to show her connections to poseidon her father and scylla her sister even though again SHE IS JUST A WHIRLPOOL, so you get Frankenstein skills from the other 2 which don't mesh together. They have done this with several gods so you end up getting alot of gods that don't have unique feeling outside of their 1 gimmick. Im pretty sure Smite 2 is going to eventually end up like this if the design team is allowed to continue what they are doing, sure the changes to items will help redefine gods, but if they keep alot of god kits the same as they are in one they will eventually round back to this formula.
@@igfj9241 I'm talking about the sudden no more chain without the yellow glow from cc immunity 😅I know that cc immunity cleanses daji ult, I'm saying I didn't know she could cleanse it because there's no cc immunity indication from her 3 because it looks like a self banish.
Just build Animosity, Qins and Titan's Bane and go full tank. Charybdis is a proc monster. If you can't win trades just build tank and kill the enemy adc by sponging their damage.
But then again, Qins and Animosity are broken by default. Char is still a horrible character, it's just so much fun to get tanky and survivability with this monstruosity of a build.
Feels weird to see a video complaining about Charybdis's design and it's not me complaining about her for once. I have like 4k on her and I agree with a lot of the criticisms in your video.
I have like 9k and I fucking love her
This is a well researched and wonderfully presented video on why charybdis is the clunkiest character in smite. The timing of the clips to provide visual examples was well edited, especially the glitch pertaining to the ult. Even if the developers don't rework her kit, i hope these arguments help to improve designs in the future.
Thank you for recognizing my deliberate editing decisions lol
Fantastic video man! Would love to see more videos like this about clunky characters people dont play.
Yes pls I agree
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As someone who has dedicated himself to play her for most of my games, I agree with what you state in this video and I do also agree that the changes you provide does sound well for her to make her different to play rather be more fun or just better to play as, I know many people come with the argument that she does need a rework, although I partially agree I feel like she needs more QoL changes or improvements to her base kit without needing to rework, and it can work fine as it is, but a rework with some new ideas does sound interesting, part of the problem I sometimes see with Charyb and some other characters that do need some tweaks is that she and the others are in the bottom of the list of priorities, obviously part of the reason for this comes down on god popularity, stats and so on, of course, I am not saying "drop the balance changes and skins and rework the bad gods" but I rather have a well-rounded change that I have seen they have tried more recently in comparison to previous season because they want the Smite 2 transition to go smoother
That's all I have to say, great video and thanks to bring out these stuff to spotlight, and the team will be able to work on her and many of the gods that does need some changes big or small
Personally, I have never found the attack speed thing to be the biggest issue, but it would be interesting to see an increase in a different stat. Although considering the current state of warriors, more pen on a hunter is pain.
Additionally I think the reasoning behind her 1 is that you essentially get a free Griffonwing and its as wide as a Nu Wa metal shard so that's why they kept the debuff, but I wholeheartedly agree that shouldn't exist.
For the 2, it serves as good ambush and a good way to get small value out of lane, but costs way too much.
The 3 is perfect, don't touch it imo. It allows for cheesy escapes, sure, but its not super fast and easy to interrupt which is something you touched on.
the ultimate is an abomination that doesnt work half the time in tight spaces because there is no room for it to cast so the game just says "nope".
Charybdis is my second favorite god in the game and I would love to see some improvements but I actually love the way the kit feels minus the ult. Imo her issue is more stat allocation like what you said with the passive. Along with some animation issues that tbf a lot of gods suffer from due to the nature of smite 1's engine and the poor feedback between the movement penalty while attacking to moving at normal speeds.
i think char's problem is that they didn't really do anything for her besides "ADC scylla"
Quality of this video is fantastic. Should do one on Terra. I feel like she was one of the cooler releases, but has really fallen out of grace due to the healing rework, and how her kit is clunky and slow compared to other guardians. Such as the over-reliance on her dash to access half her kit. Yes, she now has her dash at lvl 1 for free, but on a 20 second cooldown. She feels better at level 1, but still feels clunky all around after that, especially her passive.
I do think Terra is very telegraphed but also very strong in the right hands. Very safe lane bully with hard counters though such as Ares or wall gods. But I get where you're coming from. Idk if you were around for old Nike but that's the vibe Terra gives me sometimes where you need to use another ability to actually get full value from the one you're trying to use
@@TranquillizeMe_ Yeah, was there for the Nike rework. Terra can be really good, but my problem is that half her kit can be useless given all the updates. It's better to shatter everything rather than keeping it up for heals, pressure, or for the passive. Her passive can be pretty strong early game, but the lack of proper scaling, and typically she has low attack speed, you can't really utilize it unless you aa-cancel, and even then it doesnt provide much dmg or utility.
Just make her passive feel more impactful throughout the game, make her heal decent, and maybe add a slow to anyone who passes in between her walls. With enough movement speed, people can just run through the walls, even if you aim it ahead of them. Just some QoL changes, like making her dash last 3s after casting on a rock, or make the dash significantly faster.
i totally agree with what u said, despite the god being the only hunter i play ( i hate hunter,but i love charybdis, idk why)
considering what they could change :
Passive : having the tide charge way faster (kinda like poseidon who can charge in a 4 or 5 auto)
1 : 100% agree with you
2 : have the full effect from the start, but gettin it to last longer the more you charge (and comsume less tide)
3 : 100% agree with you
4 : get the push area to be bigger, and cast faster
Well made refreshing video, nj dude!
well organized video. Good stuff.
She's potentially my favorite god and I will honestly agree with a lot of the complaints.
Honestly like using her abilities almost feels pointless in a lot of scenarios just because of the anti-synergy with her passive.
Passive rework would be cool but I feel like making the 1 get rid of the item proc debuff does fix a lot of her issues though. And this change isn't that crazy to ask since Izanami's ability does this.
Her 2 is decent; just I feel the protection shred + slow needs to be higher at the startup, maybe make it only scale to 30% BUT the charge time is significantly faster since the issue with this ability is that it makes no sense to full-charge it, meaning if the charge time is quick enough then you'll at the very least be able to throw in a half-charge to get a 15-20% debuff which winds up being worthwhile.
This MIGHT might make her too good just because her auto attack chain + having a decent escape tool and a CC immunity ult that gives movement speed makes her super safe but who knows.
I have about 10 diamonds and 50 or so masteries. I've played a lot of Smite but not as much as others. I'd never played as Charybdis before watching this video, but after getting some masteries on her, I've got to agree with all your points. ESPECIALLY being clunky omg she feels so wrong to play really hope she gets a different passive, full rework, or something in between.
I mean to fix her 1's anti synergy issue, make the spikes apply on hit effects if they don't already so you stack tide faster rather than slower and heal for more from lifesteal and potentially can make you super strong in a crit/attack speed build.
Make her 2 not consume tide and instead provide the shred when you are at maximum tide to make it worth stopping attacking to cast.
Make her 3 her ultimate, where she has unique auto's for everyone in the maws radius that deals more damage based on missing health and when someone dies its duration gets refreshed and the maw grows in size, but to compensate, lower the duration of the ult and remove the knockup that way you have to still activate it on top of people. Or make the duration tied to tide, in that it will last so long as you have tide and enemies that die in it will refill your tide bar.
Make her new 3 a movement ability to help get around, potentially something that has crowd control in it like a stun or a tremor that can also be refreshed on kills so that Charybdis becomes like an hunter/assassin so we can use her in the jungle if we want.
Might be a bit too strong so numbers will have to be changed but yeah.
I got no idea why the 80% item effect doesn't go back to 100 when 1 is active
that last clip is hilarious
That would be so cool if we got a boss ultimate for a squishy character for once. Have her turn into a sea monster that gives her machine gun autos. Or maybe give her close range abilities in her ult form and have her autos suck people toward her. The ultimate she has now is so lame
I do agree that she doesn't really feel good to play but not unplayable. I think they are going to remove that item proc damage reduction fully before too long if they don't give her some more synergy. With her Ult I honestly would like if they removed the distance aspect of it and just had it as a cone in front of her. She could still move around, the cast time could be much faster, and no longer have that awkward self-root. They could adjust the cone to be just a little bit bigger and hit just a little harder. Something that would be cool is if they set it up in a way that she could Ult from her 3 with that change. There is also the idea that it could change from a cone to a circle while in the 3 to make it like a semi-Sobek Ult. Lots of different ways to give her something to make her feel better to play.
I think this video actually made him-Rez change chary😂 well done 🎉
I think they happened to be working on the changes in 11.5 when I released the video 😅
@@TranquillizeMe_ very strange coincidence they changed everything you mentioned in the video 3 weeks later😂
I have 4k worshippers on Charybdis and i literally started playing her as a handicap so I didn’t stomp games while playing with a friend that was newer to the game. At some point i just got better at Charybdis than every other god and now she’s my favorite. Her kit design is terrible but i still love her for some reason.
Even if they changed her 1, I still think it's the ability you should rank third. The only thing leveling the 1 does is increase damage to minion (who cares you're still clearing wave extremely quickly with items or you can just use your 2) and adding more damage to your splinters which, correct me if I'm wrong, doesn't proc on hit so for laning phase it's pretty much useless. Adding the full item damage is a good idea tho, but I would love for them to keep the item damage debuff as it is and try and add item effects to the splinters and see how it feels in late game teamfights (with a 10 or 20% damage only on splinters even though I guess Obow would be too broken). That could be fun.
Your 2 you do have to channel but it's really a fight opening ability or something you recast when the ennemy is doing something else (like dashing/jumping, aegis etc). This is what you want to level first for the flat damage it does and the 115% scaling if you charge it fully (290+115% that hits like a truck). You can basically one shot the wave with this and hit the ennemy ADC and follow up with autos. While I get the point, I don't think the ability is bad by any mean and it's not something you'd use midfight while trading autos anyway IMO. I think of it like AMC 3 where you won't just use the ability while trading autos cause it takes too long and you're better off just AA. Same thing with Jing Wei Tornado, you're not knocking yourself up in the middle of trading autos or other abilities like that.
Her three is probably what you should lvl next because of the CDR & damage (cause once again leveling the 1 doesn't increase the damage against gods anyway), it doesn't need any changes, refunding the tide if you hit ennemies can be a nice QOL and I don't think it'd be that strong anyway.
I've never been bothered by her passive, it's a nice passive that they matched with Poseidon for lore, which I'm fine with personnally. I think the passive charges quickly enough with her 1 that even when you lose it with your 2 it comes back quickly enough and late game you'll go from 2.5 to 2.3 or something for a couple autos which is honestly fine IMO. You definitely feel it more early game but you kinda need to, because giving free attack speed (17.5% at lvl 10 which is a lot) makes an ADC completely broken (Hachiman). I don't think giving her more pen would be wise because you'd have to give her such a low amount to not make her broken that it would be useless. AA damage is kind of the same, her whole thing is that her attack chain does more damage than a regular hunter (except heim) but you have to hit everything. If you give her more AA power when she already does more damage you'd have to make sure the numbers are incredibly low if you don't want to make her completely busted. I just think Attack Speed is the easiest stat to make it so you can feel the effect of the passive in game while not making her completely busted.
As for her ult, I think they should mainly quicken the animation by quite a lot so it's not as easy to dodge as well as perhaps give her damage mitigation BUT only when she is in the animation. Giving her damage mitigation during the entire ult is a bit too much because it's already such a get away for free ability, if you add damage mitigation on top of it she just becomes much too safe. So rewarding her for actually using the ult as intended yes, adding more cheesy stats to it no. Or just rework the whole thing that would work too.
Nice video! I have always been really salty about how Charybdis could have been a really cool monster god which I think we could use more but instead we get another one like Scylla aesthetically which I'm not really a big fan of. Yes I understand that Scylla and Charybdis are monster gods but I don't like the aesthetic of them, Charybdis is not as cool as she could have been and it makes me a little disappointed.
5:35 This is, I think, the same as happens with Hercules 1 or Bake's dash: since it stuns and pushes, probably the stun stops the ability and so the target is no longer knockback immune
Those have other CC elements to it like stuns which is why that happens. However this is I guess a "push" which IMO is a form of Knockback but the game doesn't seem to feel that way lol. Kali wouldn't get pushed at all if what you said was the case since her hlt can't be canceled
I hope in smite 2 we get a little more creative with adcs as a whole. I think nut was a step in the right direction, but for the love of god are hunter releases so sleep when I know there just an AA bot with your standard disengage. I think having short range hunters more involved with skirmishes like idk kindred from league as an example could be pretty cool. Shit I think Artemis could fit that role to a tee if they ever rework her. Really random I’m aware but I don’t know hunters make me feel things
Tbh i kinda like that her abilities consume her att speed buff bc it makes me think when to user them ore when to save them, for me what feels more clunky is the ult and her 2 although i dont consider her 2 a horrible ability
Her 1 sucks and falls off late game. Just give it like 50% hastened effect
Charybdis legit feels like they couldnt decide if they wanted to make a mage or a hunter, tried both and it just... didnt work. Hopefully in Smite 2 she gets a rework, but i cant see her as a priority to port over do to her low popularity.
personally as a charybdis otp i love her kit how it is, i really hope they don’t fully rework her and just change her ult. with her recent changes though im very excited
honestly I play Charybdis a decent bit (shes my main on adc role) and frankly the only change I think she needs is that you can move around while casting your ult and have the entire line of it do damage (as well as push people) instead of JUST at cone at the end, besides that if you build properly shes way to much fun
Can agree, I think her kits nice otherwise. Her 3 is ridiculous
I think she is very decent, not unplayable at least, but honestly whatever charibdys does isnt something that you couldnt do with another hunter
It's odd to build her, but I made my own builds for her, and they worked. Until they got rid of the items, and I had to rework multiple build.
There are definitely problems with her that could be changed, but she is still viable.
Simple fix would have her ult pull or vortex enemies so she’s in range to fire her 2 or 3 offensively and then have a better chance of getting more autos off, instead of pushing enemies out of range for her entire kit
Hopefully in the next patch they'll do something with her ult cause they've been buffing other god ults.
Please, im begging you, ive been sent this video at least 8 times - set me free of the mortal chains that bind me (I have the highest worshipers in smite on charybdis as of now)
Nah, Freya is the worst kit design. Smite changed her kit so many times and still cant figure out what to do with her
This is facts
HEY IT'S BEEN 3 WEEKS AND HIREZ IMPLEMENTED A COUPLE THINGS FROM THIS VIDEO
Yessir, I recorded a reaction vid to patch notes, editing it to maybe post it later today or tomorrow!
they could have made a cool sea monster, but they instead tried to mix poseidon and scylla into the clunkiest adc, it's all like : "look, she's a little girl with hidden monster part, just like scylla ! look, she has a big ultimate where her monster part do a lot of damage and it reset on kill, just like scylla ! "
charybdis in mythos is a whirlpool that is so destructive that ships would rather face scylla and have half of their crew eaten alive. none of this is felt in her visual design or kit design
I have 0 issues with her, currently have 11 stars with her and I notice the passive being weird, but the rest is really just becoming custom to the character and actually being good
Also love how within 5 mins you used two abilities and instantly got your tide back almost instantly, but say how it's hard to get back?
Imo, the only good changes that would make a difference for her is the 3, 6 and 7 you suggested.
They need to bring back the old Loki 🤣 hell they making a smite 2 anyway
Her design is just lazy and lacking in ambition or inspiration. They just took Scylla, copied her over to Charybdis, then tried to make the god, rather starting with Charybdis herself. Should be a complete make over, tbh. I imagined Charybdis as a literal whirlpool monster of a Guardian with tons of CC and pulling effects..... Not whatever tf this creature is, but it's definitely not Charybdis lol
Nice video!
Loved this video’s layout and enjoyed hearing your thoughts on chary. Is it possible to look into other gods with similar bad designs like bake kujura and or outdated kit designs like bakasura
Maybe! Bake is a good idea tbh
her 3 is bussin tho
Yeah the 1 just sucks I remember my first time playing her and I couldn't use my relics when my 1 was activated and it got me killed a few times not being able to pop my beads no idea if it's been changed but I wouldn't know it was the last time I played this garbage fire of a god 😂
You can def Aegis while it's out now. Had to test it for myself in jungle practice bc I was gonna add it to the list of issues if you couldn't LOL
In the current tank meta charybdis is awesome. Clunky tho
Tho I love Cherry and it would be cool to see her buffed that ult change would be cracked. I could just Imagine someone hop on me mid game I turn pop the instant cast ult push em back stun and auto em down before they can move😂
Charybdis is one of the shining examples that the Smite devteam needs to stop falling into the conventional tropes they do when they design a god and may need a talking too. First off they folded to the fans there were alot of people requesting Charybdis even though she is just a whirlpool and you cant do much with that (though in myth her monster form looks like a seal but i'll get into that later). 2nd they had to follow the same formula they do with practically every god a pinpoint skill shot that does high damage, a dash or movement ability of some sort, a skill that does something unique but doesn't end up defining the character, and either an extremely powerful or underwhelming ult. Then they did the stupid thing of WE NEED MORE MONSTERS but instead of actually making her unique they made her look like scylla because they want to have an "Annie" from League character and if Scylla is that way then she has to look that way because we can't have 2 sisters look completely different even though they are cursed. Finally they tried to show her connections to poseidon her father and scylla her sister even though again SHE IS JUST A WHIRLPOOL, so you get Frankenstein skills from the other 2 which don't mesh together. They have done this with several gods so you end up getting alot of gods that don't have unique feeling outside of their 1 gimmick. Im pretty sure Smite 2 is going to eventually end up like this if the design team is allowed to continue what they are doing, sure the changes to items will help redefine gods, but if they keep alot of god kits the same as they are in one they will eventually round back to this formula.
She just needs a rework to her kit at this point because half her kit is just unusable
How is an ultimate half of her kit?
Watching charybdis 3 out of a daji ult x.x
same way a chang'e can 2 out of a da ji ult. Or ravana, or sol, or yu huang, or chiron, or hel, or chernobog, or chliodna.
@@itsnotborker456 but you have to time it for the most part? when you use charybdis 3 the chain just leaves to buy milk
@@frostbite2072when you beads da ji chain or use any cc immune ability the chain goes away that’s why you can’t re chain afterwards
@@igfj9241 I'm talking about the sudden no more chain without the yellow glow from cc immunity 😅I know that cc immunity cleanses daji ult, I'm saying I didn't know she could cleanse it because there's no cc immunity indication from her 3 because it looks like a self banish.
Just build Animosity, Qins and Titan's Bane and go full tank. Charybdis is a proc monster. If you can't win trades just build tank and kill the enemy adc by sponging their damage.
But then again, Qins and Animosity are broken by default. Char is still a horrible character, it's just so much fun to get tanky and survivability with this monstruosity of a build.
funny, ive startet palaying him a few days ago
Her passive is great and she has some cool ability concepts which are poorly executed
u did well tranq
I dunno, the whale seems to me to be the most lazy boring design I’ve ever played. Him or Shiva
*loudly clears throat* "skill diff"
Stfu lmao she is GOD tier. #1 Charibdys enjoyer 10 stars with her using her in every lane
Chary is fun, you guys are just nerds