It's med 2 path finding nothing much u can do Really but as Ties said we also did suffer it. (Unless a way around it is available its just mirco management then and making sure ur units are going the right way
This battle is another great example of if as an attacker you have multiple routes into the settlement, ignore the bridges and take the land paths no matter how narrow or infested with defenders they are. Even if it means concentrating the attacks on fewer areas instead of attacking from every side, the bridge mechanics are so bad you'll lose fewer troops in the long run. The defenders inevitably run out of numbers and the land paths will fail and attackers have an easy route in. I'd choose a single land path in to use all the attacking forces and their artillery over 4+ paths in on all sides of the settlement made up of bridges until and unless the bridge mechanics are ever fixed.
Great battle overall had fun playing it. The second destroyed treb near the ledge was about to shoot The womb raiders blob of troops but my balista manged to snipe it 😂 (we didnt think it would of been destroyed in time which also saved us a lot to then go on and win as the treb was loaded
is there still bugs in this version of third age? i played this years ago and there were bugs like, no description of buildings, images of units and so on....
I was really hoping the Defenders would win, not a fan of the skirmishers running in 5v3 but that is the smartest play. Still, I think the pathfinding also cost the defenders the win.
Great battle, lots of fun to watch. I think slingers/throwing units need to be seriously nerfed, it seems that all factions now have cheap, high unit, high damage throwing units in which you can only defeat them if you destroy the whole unit. They all have a tonne on ammo is just ridiculous, javelins and throwing axes need their range and accuracy nerfed, being able to destroy a well placed, thought out position instantly really unbalances the game - you don't need to use good tactics anymore because cheap throwing units can destroy everything from a 100m aways with pinpoint accuracy...lol. I didn't like the cat a mouse chase towards the end, the attackers should have to attack and force the pace of the battle, especially in a 5v3. I know that it is a tried and tested tactic, however, winning a game because of it is just unsporting.
They've developed this way because siege map design is so poor that it's basically choke point pushing 101, so you need these units. I don't think axes or slings should be nerfed, these factions already suffer from poor quality archers so they need their own style in comparison to high damaging good faction arrows. Dunnish warband should be decent jav infantry though, slingers should be their own unit. And also, simply placing troops in a choke point isn't good tactics, it's literally the shittest part of a game when defenders park their units and basically let the game play itself. Defenders need to better respect these ranged units and exploit them with cheaper archers that fire on them, reforged meta was just ignore these units and save your ammo only for elite troops.
@@KingAwesome8218 well yeah that's how fortress and settlement defense operated irl before advancing technology came around. You forced the enemy through choke points that were easier to defend and negated numbers.
@@jaredthehawk3870 That isn't how fortress and settlement defense worked irl, how dumb are you? If a garrison were assaulted, it worked much more like med 2 total war, where there were multiple ways into a castle, each with their own risk, the only natural choke points were from the roads in. A settlement would be even worse, similar in a way to Edoras and those walls (but without the two choke points). Reforged mappers make maps that nobody could feasibly live in. Which would be fine if they then made them balanced to play around, some maps are but lots are just park your infantry here and put your archers on this ledge. It's not hard to play, but it's good new reforged has more mass pushing options to break this stale way of playing
@@jaredthehawk3870 Except the enemy wouldn't do that. They wouldn't be forced through a choke point. They'd just starve you out. All these cityscape maps are designed like crap and don't really make any sense as cityscapes, which is a shame compared to OG med 2 total war maps which made sense.
Because thats not how it works. The players on both sides get a certain amount of money to spend. Defenders get more than each attacker, but overall the combined money of the attackers is higher. Each unit costs a certain amount of money, with Trolls being expensive, but supposedly each unit is balanced around 13k per player. Now, attackers can choose to bring more trolls, at the cost of less archers or infantry, or other elite units like Nazgul etc... The question is, are trolls too cheap? It sounds like theyre getting a little nerf in the next patch, but I wouldnt say theyre too cheap.
I've always noted that when people complain about units, it's always evil faction units, I remember no one ever used to whine about how OP dwarves were with multiple bodyguard units. Glad the devs ignore bad players and actually give evil factions some good tools for once.
I’ve rarely come across a person who manages to say something negative in every message. Both in real life and online. And you still haven’t responded and given me your discord tag so we can play. Then you can proof how good of a player you are.
@@f1boii826 'Both in real life' what's the matter, your parents not give you enough attention you need to dick ride me? I told you my details already you missed the message, not a good stalker clearly
My guy I’ve been around and playing reforged since 2017, there has been plenty of whining about op units in pretty much every faction every year every patch and every hotfix, and vice versa or for underpowered ones such as when Cardolan first dropped and people hadn’t figured out how to manage moral. The dwarves that you point out had an entire patch practically focused on nerfing them at one point so please, shut up
Great Battle, would really like to see more like this
I think bad pathfinding mechanics were the biggest enemy in this battle. A lot of their units, most notably the trebuchet, got hung up and stuck.
Yeah I had a lot of issues as well with the pathfinding, ofc the attackers also suffered from it in a way
It's med 2 path finding nothing much u can do Really but as Ties said we also did suffer it. (Unless a way around it is available its just mirco management then and making sure ur units are going the right way
This battle is another great example of if as an attacker you have multiple routes into the settlement, ignore the bridges and take the land paths no matter how narrow or infested with defenders they are. Even if it means concentrating the attacks on fewer areas instead of attacking from every side, the bridge mechanics are so bad you'll lose fewer troops in the long run. The defenders inevitably run out of numbers and the land paths will fail and attackers have an easy route in. I'd choose a single land path in to use all the attacking forces and their artillery over 4+ paths in on all sides of the settlement made up of bridges until and unless the bridge mechanics are ever fixed.
Great battle overall had fun playing it. The second destroyed treb near the ledge was about to shoot The womb raiders blob of troops but my balista manged to snipe it 😂 (we didnt think it would of been destroyed in time which also saved us a lot to then go on and win as the treb was loaded
What happened to the vanguard of the elllesars and the ithelien rangers
The rangers and vanguard got killed in the push while defending the retreat of the main gondor army
@@HIDDENZ oh ok
is there still bugs in this version of third age? i played this years ago and there were bugs like, no description of buildings, images of units and so on....
I love Dunland so much! Don´t ask me why...
I was really hoping the Defenders would win, not a fan of the skirmishers running in 5v3 but that is the smartest play. Still, I think the pathfinding also cost the defenders the win.
Great battle, lots of fun to watch. I think slingers/throwing units need to be seriously nerfed, it seems that all factions now have cheap, high unit, high damage throwing units in which you can only defeat them if you destroy the whole unit. They all have a tonne on ammo is just ridiculous, javelins and throwing axes need their range and accuracy nerfed, being able to destroy a well placed, thought out position instantly really unbalances the game - you don't need to use good tactics anymore because cheap throwing units can destroy everything from a 100m aways with pinpoint accuracy...lol.
I didn't like the cat a mouse chase towards the end, the attackers should have to attack and force the pace of the battle, especially in a 5v3. I know that it is a tried and tested tactic, however, winning a game because of it is just unsporting.
Yeah, javelins and throwing axes should have around 5 volleys in them at best.
They've developed this way because siege map design is so poor that it's basically choke point pushing 101, so you need these units. I don't think axes or slings should be nerfed, these factions already suffer from poor quality archers so they need their own style in comparison to high damaging good faction arrows. Dunnish warband should be decent jav infantry though, slingers should be their own unit. And also, simply placing troops in a choke point isn't good tactics, it's literally the shittest part of a game when defenders park their units and basically let the game play itself. Defenders need to better respect these ranged units and exploit them with cheaper archers that fire on them, reforged meta was just ignore these units and save your ammo only for elite troops.
@@KingAwesome8218 well yeah that's how fortress and settlement defense operated irl before advancing technology came around. You forced the enemy through choke points that were easier to defend and negated numbers.
@@jaredthehawk3870 That isn't how fortress and settlement defense worked irl, how dumb are you? If a garrison were assaulted, it worked much more like med 2 total war, where there were multiple ways into a castle, each with their own risk, the only natural choke points were from the roads in. A settlement would be even worse, similar in a way to Edoras and those walls (but without the two choke points). Reforged mappers make maps that nobody could feasibly live in. Which would be fine if they then made them balanced to play around, some maps are but lots are just park your infantry here and put your archers on this ledge. It's not hard to play, but it's good new reforged has more mass pushing options to break this stale way of playing
@@jaredthehawk3870 Except the enemy wouldn't do that. They wouldn't be forced through a choke point. They'd just starve you out. All these cityscape maps are designed like crap and don't really make any sense as cityscapes, which is a shame compared to OG med 2 total war maps which made sense.
why when its 5 against 3 do they still get loads of trolls?
Because thats not how it works. The players on both sides get a certain amount of money to spend. Defenders get more than each attacker, but overall the combined money of the attackers is higher.
Each unit costs a certain amount of money, with Trolls being expensive, but supposedly each unit is balanced around 13k per player. Now, attackers can choose to bring more trolls, at the cost of less archers or infantry, or other elite units like Nazgul etc...
The question is, are trolls too cheap? It sounds like theyre getting a little nerf in the next patch, but I wouldnt say theyre too cheap.
Damn now I want ice cream
Gondor 😢
I've always noted that when people complain about units, it's always evil faction units, I remember no one ever used to whine about how OP dwarves were with multiple bodyguard units. Glad the devs ignore bad players and actually give evil factions some good tools for once.
I’ve rarely come across a person who manages to say something negative in every message. Both in real life and online.
And you still haven’t responded and given me your discord tag so we can play. Then you can proof how good of a player you are.
@@f1boii826 'Both in real life' what's the matter, your parents not give you enough attention you need to dick ride me? I told you my details already you missed the message, not a good stalker clearly
My guy I’ve been around and playing reforged since 2017, there has been plenty of whining about op units in pretty much every faction every year every patch and every hotfix, and vice versa or for underpowered ones such as when Cardolan first dropped and people hadn’t figured out how to manage moral. The dwarves that you point out had an entire patch practically focused on nerfing them at one point so please, shut up
@@f1boii826 he's a troll, ignore him.
Deprive him of the attention he so clearly never got from anyone in real life🤷♂️
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