@@t-rexcellentreviews1663Luke's fate was sealed in the moment he was conceived. That's his whole tragedy, Aemond was like a tool of something that was coming thanks to Rhanenyra's recklessness and that's vey sad.
@@petrstanovsky7648 I agree, she set those kids up to be usurped. Were her kids legitimate, no one would be able to steal the throne from her so easily. She gave them all the reasons to do so. We saw Alicent be nervous asking to see the baby right after she gave birth to check if her child was legitimate. If they were, Alicent would have no reason to refuse to marry Haelena to one of her sons. Rhaenyra's bad behaviour tainted people's opinion of her and doomed her kids. I think that if she was honest with Alicent from the start, she would have helped her. She went against her own dad for her and regretted it.
@@daniellelawman9724 I agree Otto would not let it happen, he was determined to have his descendants on the throne, but it would have been harder to usurp her.
@@t-rexcellentreviews1663 of course, having prophetic visions, no one understanding or refusing to understand her when she tries to help them by telling people her visions, classic allusion to Cassandra of Troy👌🤔
When she say “ I saw it” he knows she is telling the truth he also knows his family have the gift of ‘dragon dreams’ and his sister Helaena is the one who has it so he does not like it but his fate is sealed.
That's not all she wants. I mean, she temp stole the throne from her own half-sister, didn't she? I don't care what anyone else says, she also sided with the wrong side, knowing it's wrong and won't end well for anyone.
@@DominikWenzel-jk2mu Yes, and she hurt him, because she don't want be forced to violence, actress confirmed that. But I also think she feel some affection towards Aegon and can't just forgive Aemond his evil acts.
@@petrstanovsky7648I think burning Aegon was the final straw for giving up on Aemond. I know Aegon somehow mocked him in the past which is bad but he doesn’t deserve being burnt from such height fighting a war Aemond, Alicient and Otto started.
This is so amazing scene, Phia Saban steals the show. She is seeing all the story of the Dance in her dreams. The end of the war, that she will never meet Aegon again, but at least she can see him succeed and return to place where she just stand now with Aemond. And that makes her happy, because Helaena probably liked Aegon in a way. She also see Rhaenyra will became monster next season and that monster will cost her death, but accept the terms, because avoid it wouldn't change anything. And that her death will ultimately bring defeat of Rhaenyra, death of Dreamfyre and other dragons and victory of her husband/brother. All that you could imagine said in that little smirk in her eyes, Phia Saban is queen of acting.
Depressing part for her/greens is that the victory if hollow, because he only has the throne for a very small time before the Blacks win and put Rhaenyra son on the iron throne. Though this does make me happy as I am team black all the way.
@@joshthaller4754 Im not really team green, Im more like fan of Aegon at this point. For me he lost so much and got so much wrecked by everyone, that destiny really owes him and he should succeed at least a little bit. True tragedy is, that he will pay for his short-lived victory brutal price. But I see fact his line won't continue as good, because it would mean that Otto succeed and Otto didn't deserved that after everything he did. On the other side Rhaenyra, entitled and irresponsible princess choosen as heir just to Daemon didn't became king, don't deserve to win and rule, because with her original plan to put Strong bastards on the throne she would eventually start another civil war, probably between her sons with Daemon and Strong boys. Anyway her line should take a throne, as they are choosen line of succession. For me ending of the dance is good compromise, Aegon could defeat Rhaenyra, but line of Otto didn't end up on throne.
See in these moments it’s sad, because you can tell he is scared, like yes he killed Luke but they had already crowned Aegon and usurped the throne, the war had started. Aemond didn’t start the war, but he did ensure it couldn’t turn back, and he is totally alone, he is quite similar to Loki in that regard that he always ends up alone and looking to be the villain, when he is solely trying to protect himself and his family, tragic story lines.
Yes because she said I forgive you. When did this happen. Just cause she said a few words to him about a Prophecy lol. She's a dreamer. She probably already knew he was going to die. If you watch the show.
It's really good when they redefined Helaena's role in the show. Because in the book, she's the least exciting, least interesting looking, depressed and died. But in the show, she started slow and suddenly she has this Bran + Melisandre magic. The only only only bad thing is she didn't get to ride that majestic royal dragon Dreamfyre
@@elefantbajstvatusen8625 I'll just take your word for it since your abnormalities make you so very special like a snowflake. Do try not getting angry though. Wouldn't mind you melting away with the slightest of heat... You know what nevermind rage away and fade away Begone evil
Its soo stupid that She guides and even encourages the killer of her son to the path in which she and her brother will die... and refuses the same brothere that is trying to prevent and save them all... and for what ? We all saw white walkers to be bs. So all this makes no sense whatsoever...
@@t-rexcellentreviews1663 that is stupid and you know it... 3 eyed raven can change and alternate future we saq this... she has powers of 3 eyed raven and so she can change the outcomes
@@ausar3852 She ain't a green seer, she's having dragon dreams. Green Seers can preceive the past, present, future and as seen in GoT influence them in some minor aspects while you can only see the future in dragon dreams which are unchangeable. Dragon Dreams are basically the only reason that House Targaryen survived as the last Dragon Lord House when the Doom of Valyria came.
@@jesperlaugesen3609 We don't know if thats true. It's a story from long ago. The targs could have caused the doom, and left the scene. Her being a robot with no emotions is boring.
@@t-rexcellentreviews1663if she accepts things and nothing matters, then why is she encouraging Daemon if the ink is already dry? They’re using her as a plot device with no emotions and now we know why they didn’t let her grieve her child’s death because they wanted Daemon to look like a hero
They never really had a romance. I think Aemond had a soft affection for Helaena, bc he too felt strange and disconnected from the rest of his family and siblings. Helaena bc she had strange dreams she couldn’t understand, and Aemond bc he struggled to bond with a dragon until his early teens, unlike his siblings who all bonded their dragons very young. But I don’t think there was ever real, romantic connection between them. I do wish the writers had spent time exploring their connection a bit more though. It’d of been nice to see Helaena have genuine support after the Blood and Cheese incident.
I dont see how Halaena is seen as "good" in this scene.. forgiving and helping the murderer of your son? Proclaiming the one who you know abuses other women as king? Declaring that your brother will die? Aemond shows much more restrain than me... Shed be Vhaegar bbq if that were me.
You don't understand anything. She isn't helping Daemon, she is helping him to grave knowing he will take Aemond with him, so both people responsible for Jahaerys dies. Of course she sees Aegon as king, it's her brother/husband, father of her children and unlike Alicent, Helaena knows meaning of word loyalty. And she didn't say it to torn Aemond, only to scare him so he won't force her to violence. And she doesn't see things she wants, she can't change the future and her dreams. Aemond has closest bond from family with her, that's also why she speaks to so openly and don't hide herself.
Yeah, it’s called character growth. That’s what characters are supposed to do- they’re supposed to grow and evolve over time when they learn new information.
Though she is wrong about Ageon having victory, for in the long run and big pictures the Blacks win the war and their bloodline continues to form the Dragon Queen
No, she is not wrong. Regardless of what happens in the long-run, she specifically says, "Aegon will be king again. He's yet to see victory." Both of Helena's statements here are true.
@@ElectricHyenas Yes. And Rhaenyra was never seen as Queen. In history she is the usurper. So both sides win an loose in the end. Rhaenyra was never officially queen, but some of her children survive. Aegon is remembered as king, but his line dies.
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"it wouldn't change anything".....like she knows her own demise is destined to happen. Girl is one of my fav's in this series.
Yes, I love how you can see she seen whole Dance of the Dragons and her death in front of her eyes. Phia Saban is amazing actress.
Yes, I love Helena.......she deserves someone like Jon Snow.
All history of ice and fire may change and maybe Daemon survived
Looked him dead in the eye, leaned forward a little, and said "It wouldn't change anything".
Gave me Sandor's "Someone is." vibes.
"Do you really want to die over some chickens?"
Haelena: Whether my fate changes matters not, your fate is already sealed.
@@Jaegar19Ultima-u9d Aemomd’s fate was sealed the moment he sealed Luke’s.
@@t-rexcellentreviews1663Luke's fate was sealed in the moment he was conceived. That's his whole tragedy, Aemond was like a tool of something that was coming thanks to Rhanenyra's recklessness and that's vey sad.
@@petrstanovsky7648 I agree, she set those kids up to be usurped. Were her kids legitimate, no one would be able to steal the throne from her so easily. She gave them all the reasons to do so. We saw Alicent be nervous asking to see the baby right after she gave birth to check if her child was legitimate. If they were, Alicent would have no reason to refuse to marry Haelena to one of her sons. Rhaenyra's bad behaviour tainted people's opinion of her and doomed her kids. I think that if she was honest with Alicent from the start, she would have helped her. She went against her own dad for her and regretted it.
@@user-dx2dm8oq8g Nope. They would have usurped her even if her children were legit. It was always going to happen, no matter what Rhaenyra did.
@@daniellelawman9724 I agree Otto would not let it happen, he was determined to have his descendants on the throne, but it would have been harder to usurp her.
It’s kinda sad how this family and these siblings were absolutely torn apart because a few individuals didn’t want a woman on the throne.
I entirely blame Otto for this
@@neofulcrum5013yep. He plants things in peoples heads
It was more difficult then that. If that woman didn't have obvious bastards, there wouldn't be much options to overthrow her, she got it coming.
Women cannot rule in this Universe
@@petrstanovsky7648even without bastards they were already planning to usurp her throne. invalid argument
Helanea the three eyed dragon
Wow, Haleana giving off real Cassandra of Troy vibes……..😅😦👁️
She is Cassandra of Troy. That’s exactly who she is. Minus the rape part
The writers have confirmed that Cassandra of Troy was one of Helaena’s inspirations in this show.
@@t-rexcellentreviews1663 of course, having prophetic visions, no one understanding or refusing to understand her when she tries to help them by telling people her visions, classic allusion to Cassandra of Troy👌🤔
@@L2L732 indeed, as someone who is a big fan of Greek Mythology, I really like this decision.
When she say “ I saw it” he knows she is telling the truth he also knows his family have the gift of ‘dragon dreams’ and his sister Helaena is the one who has it so he does not like it but his fate is sealed.
I don’t think he does know. It looks to me like he refuses to believe her because he thinks he’s untouchable ever since he claimed Vhagar
But he heard her when said he'd have to close an eye fo get a dragon, and that there's a beast beneath the boards. I think he understood it
I like that Helaena is indeed facing the direction in which Harrenhal is.
Helaena is the only one on the Greens' side whom I truly pity. She just wants a peaceful life.
That's not all she wants. I mean, she temp stole the throne from her own half-sister, didn't she? I don't care what anyone else says, she also sided with the wrong side, knowing it's wrong and won't end well for anyone.
@@daniellelawman9724 Are you trolling? When has this poor girl had any agency? She was mother to prince Jahaerys, how would she have switched sides?
Swallowed up in the God's eye with vhagar and dark sister
They at least recover Dark Sister.
@@HashBandicoot356 Corpses are all over the place, Valyrian Steel swords on the other hand, are priceless. 😜
@@madgreensonunbound5801 Mastercard commercial vibes.
Haelena reminds me of the cursed seer of Greek myth, Cassandra. No one believed her prophecies either, just thought her crazy.
Aemond Targaryen is the only one tha twho has taken Queen Helaena's prophecy seriously since they were children
Yeah, it is interesting how different and more focused she sound with him.
@@petrstanovsky7648 they both are closer and He Take her Prophecy seriously, He belives in her that is why He is hurt as she Refuse
@@DominikWenzel-jk2mu Yes, and she hurt him, because she don't want be forced to violence, actress confirmed that. But I also think she feel some affection towards Aegon and can't just forgive Aemond his evil acts.
@@petrstanovsky7648I think burning Aegon was the final straw for giving up on Aemond. I know Aegon somehow mocked him in the past which is bad but he doesn’t deserve being burnt from such height fighting a war Aemond, Alicient and Otto started.
This is so amazing scene, Phia Saban steals the show. She is seeing all the story of the Dance in her dreams. The end of the war, that she will never meet Aegon again, but at least she can see him succeed and return to place where she just stand now with Aemond. And that makes her happy, because Helaena probably liked Aegon in a way. She also see Rhaenyra will became monster next season and that monster will cost her death, but accept the terms, because avoid it wouldn't change anything. And that her death will ultimately bring defeat of Rhaenyra, death of Dreamfyre and other dragons and victory of her husband/brother. All that you could imagine said in that little smirk in her eyes, Phia Saban is queen of acting.
Depressing part for her/greens is that the victory if hollow, because he only has the throne for a very small time before the Blacks win and put Rhaenyra son on the iron throne. Though this does make me happy as I am team black all the way.
@@joshthaller4754 Im not really team green, Im more like fan of Aegon at this point. For me he lost so much and got so much wrecked by everyone, that destiny really owes him and he should succeed at least a little bit. True tragedy is, that he will pay for his short-lived victory brutal price.
But I see fact his line won't continue as good, because it would mean that Otto succeed and Otto didn't deserved that after everything he did. On the other side Rhaenyra, entitled and irresponsible princess choosen as heir just to Daemon didn't became king, don't deserve to win and rule, because with her original plan to put Strong bastards on the throne she would eventually start another civil war, probably between her sons with Daemon and Strong boys.
Anyway her line should take a throne, as they are choosen line of succession. For me ending of the dance is good compromise, Aegon could defeat Rhaenyra, but line of Otto didn't end up on throne.
See in these moments it’s sad, because you can tell he is scared, like yes he killed Luke but they had already crowned Aegon and usurped the throne, the war had started. Aemond didn’t start the war, but he did ensure it couldn’t turn back, and he is totally alone, he is quite similar to Loki in that regard that he always ends up alone and looking to be the villain, when he is solely trying to protect himself and his family, tragic story lines.
"... spools of green and black, weaving dragons of thread...." or something like that
Halaena bribes daemon to kill aemond ... did no one see this
I did, you are right about that.
@@petrstanovsky7648 bro nobody did look at the comments
as daemon needs bribing
Completely forgave Daemon for having her son butchered.
Is she? Looks more like she is sending him to death while killing other person responsible for Jahaerys death.
She is not sending him she just see his future
Doesn’t sound like forgiveness to me she’s literally telling them they are not that important and they Are gonna die
Yes because she said I forgive you. When did this happen. Just cause she said a few words to him about a Prophecy lol. She's a dreamer. She probably already knew he was going to die. If you watch the show.
She was prophesizing. Gods Eye. That lake in the island
In Harrenhal
She should have never told him that. Now Aemond will plan to take them all with him.
It wouldn’t change anything, in fact, it will most likely only make it more certain, Aemond sealed his own fate the moment he chose to seal Luke’s.
Aemond will eventually have to face Daemon, he has the biggest dragon so it's unavoidable.
It's really good when they redefined Helaena's role in the show.
Because in the book, she's the least exciting, least interesting looking, depressed and died.
But in the show, she started slow and suddenly she has this Bran + Melisandre magic. The only only only bad thing is she didn't get to ride that majestic royal dragon Dreamfyre
She's the three eyes raven
I'm sure she is, to normies who don't read books.
@@elefantbajstvatusen8625 And clearly not to the weirdos who like to call others normies to hide their insecure abnormalities .
@@elefantbajstvatusen8625 I'll just take your word for it since your abnormalities make you so very special like a snowflake.
Do try not getting angry though.
Wouldn't mind you melting away with the slightest of heat... You know what nevermind rage away and fade away
Begone evil
she is my fav character and shes the raider of my fav dragon, can we please see more of her, and of her riding dreamfyre?
I think they had a good rekation before the war. Now it's broken. Now Daemon was convinced of her prophetic skill and Aemond also.
Tbh I hope Dreamfyre and Haelena run away from all of this
(Leave alicent)
best scene of the finale
She said what she said, brother.
Helaena Targaryen the most powerfull dreamer of the dynasty lady and gentlemen
Her, and Daenys the Dreamer (who prophesied the Doom of Valyria) of course
@shunydelice4405 I agree ;)
I like how now if we have poorly writing subplots we can just say it’s a story and all is forgiven and explained
She is beatiful
Its soo stupid that She guides and even encourages the killer of her son to the path in which she and her brother will die... and refuses the same brothere that is trying to prevent and save them all... and for what ? We all saw white walkers to be bs. So all this makes no sense whatsoever...
@@ausar3852 Helaens has simply accepted that certain things will happen, regardless of whatever she says or does.
@@t-rexcellentreviews1663 that is stupid and you know it... 3 eyed raven can change and alternate future we saq this... she has powers of 3 eyed raven and so she can change the outcomes
@@ausar3852 She ain't a green seer, she's having dragon dreams. Green Seers can preceive the past, present, future and as seen in GoT influence them in some minor aspects while you can only see the future in dragon dreams which are unchangeable.
Dragon Dreams are basically the only reason that House Targaryen survived as the last Dragon Lord House when the Doom of Valyria came.
@@jesperlaugesen3609 We don't know if thats true. It's a story from long ago. The targs could have caused the doom, and left the scene.
Her being a robot with no emotions is boring.
@@t-rexcellentreviews1663if she accepts things and nothing matters, then why is she encouraging Daemon if the ink is already dry? They’re using her as a plot device with no emotions and now we know why they didn’t let her grieve her child’s death because they wanted Daemon to look like a hero
Music at the end?
I love that Helena got this moment but how are her visions suddenly clear when before she would just babble random words.
Prophetic gifts are like that. Sometimes you speak in parables, other times it comes together out right.
They probably are clear to her in her head but when she tries to tell someone the future it seems all jumbled.
This is all Otto’s fault
So what happened to the romance between them in s1? Its like the writers forgot it.
There was no romance between Aemond and Helaena.
what romance? you are watching tiktok videos too much
They never really had a romance. I think Aemond had a soft affection for Helaena, bc he too felt strange and disconnected from the rest of his family and siblings. Helaena bc she had strange dreams she couldn’t understand, and Aemond bc he struggled to bond with a dragon until his early teens, unlike his siblings who all bonded their dragons very young. But I don’t think there was ever real, romantic connection between them.
I do wish the writers had spent time exploring their connection a bit more though. It’d of been nice to see Helaena have genuine support after the Blood and Cheese incident.
Aegon sits on a wooden throne? Clearly she does not mean that he will be king of the seven kingdoms then, right?
He literally sit on a wooden throne after killing rhaenyra.
He's paralysed. He can't use his legs so it's a wooden wheelchair
I dont see how Halaena is seen as "good" in this scene.. forgiving and helping the murderer of your son? Proclaiming the one who you know abuses other women as king? Declaring that your brother will die? Aemond shows much more restrain than me... Shed be Vhaegar bbq if that were me.
You don't understand anything. She isn't helping Daemon, she is helping him to grave knowing he will take Aemond with him, so both people responsible for Jahaerys dies. Of course she sees Aegon as king, it's her brother/husband, father of her children and unlike Alicent, Helaena knows meaning of word loyalty. And she didn't say it to torn Aemond, only to scare him so he won't force her to violence. And she doesn't see things she wants, she can't change the future and her dreams. Aemond has closest bond from family with her, that's also why she speaks to so openly and don't hide herself.
Its all a story............
Dream didn't make us kings dragons did-Daemon s1 ...he kinda forgot in s2 that he was suppose not believe in properties
Yeah, it’s called character growth. That’s what characters are supposed to do- they’re supposed to grow and evolve over time when they learn new information.
ugggh how the writing went downhill
Aemond deserves better.
Maybe he did, but not anymore, not after everything he’s done.
tell that to Sharppoint, lil bro's gone mad
No he doesn't. He's a psycho who will soon pull a mad Daenerys and take his hissy fit out on millions of innocent people.
Though she is wrong about Ageon having victory, for in the long run and big pictures the Blacks win the war and their bloodline continues to form the Dragon Queen
No, she is not wrong. Regardless of what happens in the long-run, she specifically says, "Aegon will be king again. He's yet to see victory." Both of Helena's statements here are true.
@@ElectricHyenas Yes. And Rhaenyra was never seen as Queen. In history she is the usurper. So both sides win an loose in the end. Rhaenyra was never officially queen, but some of her children survive. Aegon is remembered as king, but his line dies.
@@danika9411 And that is poetic and phyrric victory. Aegon may win the throne but Rhaenyra's bloodline managed to continue the targaryen dynasty.
Aegon is king again, and his victory we know from GoT when Joffrey tells Sansa of how Rhaenyra was killed by her brother.