The F1 Reason Why F50 Is Better Than F40
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I have always preferred the F50 over the F40 unlike most people. F50 is a very underrated car.
Technically yes, but the F40 is the more beautiful car, especially as LM. But technically yes absolutely F50..!
@@TheS1PikesPeak different opinion in making the f40 the more beautiful car I always preferred the gto over the f40 , that was beautiful
I find the F50 to be the prettier car but the brutal performance of the F40 is more desirable to me
that was never even a question for me. I also always found f40 a very ugly car. the f50 was always a prettier version of f40 for me: not that short stocky and squared look. and with a much better engine (probably the best supercar engine ever, how can you match an f1 v12?)
thats definitely one of the big mysteries of mankind for me: why everybody prefer the f40 over the magnificent f50? maybe because f40 is the last enzo ferrari car, that helps with its mythical status. but thats it, theres any other single argument for preferring the f40: uglier, worst engine with turbolag, worst aerodynamics etc
SAME! im born in '88 and grew up with both, but already at a young age of 8 i realized how unique the F50 were, and its only gotten better over the years, the suspension, engine, aerodynamics and yeah the complete package is just Ferrari perfection!
One of the coolest sounding engine families of all time! I have owned my Bburago F50 since new, about 33 years now. It doesn't make any noise at all.
They do build fantastic cars though, however quiet they may be 😂
I have a Bburago 1953 corvette that my dad bought new sometime before I was born. Family owned since new 😉
Oh I have a yellow 1:18 Bburago F50 too... My very first 1:18 car, and I had many more after that!
@@epicseadragon1692
Me too. I recently carefully wrapped them up and put them in storage. I have about 20.
I have a HotWheels F50. It doesn’t make any noise either….but it rolls so smoothly on a glass top coffee table!
@@fantasticg73
That is the closest thing I will ever get. You go and be successful and buy the real one!
I think Enzo Ferrari definitely would have loved the F50 but I think he would have liked the 550 Maranello more as it's closer in spirit to his vision of what Ferraris should be: big powerful V12 up front sending power to the rear wheels via a manual gearbox and a driver s***ing his pants in the middle of it all.
No he would have hated all of them because he liked race cars. The street cars are just a means to pay for the racing.
That's why they can put out such low quality street cars and don't care.
@@travisfabel8040he would’ve changed his tune seeing how shit their F1 team is😂
Only good thing about them would be the street cars
Always been an F50 guy, since the first time I saw it in NFS II back in 2000. Ill never get why the "car guys" used to hate on it so much back in the late 00s and early 2010
The F50 was a thing of beauty. Not only its lines, but that glorious sound track.
Nahhh, just looks awkward compared to the perfect proportions of the F40.
My understanding is one of the major criticisms of the F50 was the immense discomfort felt whilst driving. The consequence of bolting the engine directly to the frame was extreme vibrations and harshness, so much so, that many who drove the car said it was a painful experience.
Race car stuff
If you've never driven or experienced the car yourself, it seems silly to take this comment onboard and suade your opinion of such a beautiful beast 🚗
Yeah, I think the issue is they tried to make it a little more luxurious (such as the removable roof and leather seats) yet there was too much racecar left, leaving a car that while still an engineering marvel, was confused about what exactly it was trying to be.
@@theonlyxman2505 removable roof and leather seats = luxurious? I think that's the first time I heard/read the words luxurious and F50 near each other lol
5:12 = Listen closely you'll hear the turbos on this unique koenig specials F50 twin-turbo from 1997 or 1998, 828 hp monster ...
I noticed that too!
I noticed that too... even went to Google to find out😂😂😂
0:18 The video talks about the F50 having something that no other Ferrari ever had, a true Formula One based engine. However, there are two other engines and series of cars, that are contenders for this claim.
#1 The Ferrari Lampredi V12 engine as used in sports and GT cars such as the Ferrari 340 America, the Ferrari 250 Europa and the Ferrari 410 Superamerica, but first used in racing. Ferrari began racing in Formula One using the 1.5 L supercharged Ferrari V12 'Colombo' engine. But engineer Aurelio Lampredi, was able to persusde Ferrari that a non supercharged 4.5 L engine, which was allowed under the rules, would be more successful. The purpose build Lampredi V12 race engine, had a wider bore spacing than the Colombo V12, and was first racing in F1 in 1950, winning championship races in 1951. Being a race engine, it was missing some features expected in road cars, for example, unlike the Colombo V12, there was no provision for a starter motor to be mounted on the engine block. Some people might argue that the formula in use was not Formula One, but a pre-war "voiturette" formula. However, the FIA list the 1950 season as the first Formula One championship.
#2 The Ferrari Dino V6 engine in 65° V6 format, was designed for Formula One, Formula Two and sports car racing. The 65° V-angle allowed straight intakes in a DOHC V6 engine configuration, and powered the Ferrari 246 F1 car in 1958, becoming the first V6-engined car to win a Formula One Grand Prix. The Fiat Dino and "Ferrari" Dino road cars used 2.0 L 65° V6 DOHC Dino engines, and this came about because there was a need for 500 production vehicles, to homologate the engine for racing under new F2 regulations. The 65° V6 race engine design, was converted to road use, with some of the work being carried out by Aurelio Lampredi, who now worked for Fiat (side note: Lampredi is also responsible for the engine which became the most successful WRC engine of all time).
Thanks for the video, a lot of great info there.
Both the F40 and the F50 are my dream cars. That's real cars that electric cars never can be or even come close to!!!
Finally, a VisioRacer F50 video! Amazing data and soundclips, as always...#F50Forever! 😍😍
Great video as always! The F50 has been for years my ultimate dream car!
Thanks for another excellent video! I enjoyed watching this! Great work! 🙂
I loved this video so much, fantastic in depth history and technical information as always, I never knew about the F50 GT!
I had a model of an F50 in red as a kid in the late 90's. If Enzo could've seen this, I think he would've been proud!
Did I hear it right when you said roller main bearings?…if so WOW! No wonder it wanted to rev with titanium rods and so forth! I love the fact that F1 engine tech eventually filters down to street cars albeit very expensive street cars🤙
nice one mate great vid and very interesting 👍👍
Sorry it’s always gonna be the f40 for me but perhaps it’s due to my age 😁. I mean I get it the f50 is special in its own right but the f40 is just so timeless and perfect to me😅
What I’ve noticed that Ferraris rely very heavily on emotional connection. I love the 458, F8, and 296, but the 488 will always be my favorite because it was one of the first cars I fell in love with. I’ve always loved the GTE and want to one day own a GT3.
@@RandomCommenter-qu2oc I like the 458 for sound and the f12 😅 most of all I think the fxxk cars sound mental though.
F50 is a straight up F1 V12, only Ferrari ever to use one, decades before the AMG project One. Best Ferrari ever.
Not a word of your comment is true, but whatever.
@@artysanmobilecare to specify?
Thankyou VR, really interesting story.
Beautiful car and … an even better engine sound. Thank you.
The sound is musical
Excellent video 🏁🇮🇹🏁!!
Great Video
F50 was always my favourite Ferrari. The F40 looks better, but nothing beats N/A V12 paired with a manual!
Personally, i think the F50 is prettier!
Bro 374kmh in that day and age is wild especially for a race car
great video
At 6:26 you said “intercooler”, were you wrong or did the F50 have something strange? Just asking because i don’t know the F50
dik za videjko ! :)
5:10 thats the mythological twin turbo F50
F50 has better Top Trumps stats, but F40 is still the car everyone wants to choose if they could only choose one, like if you could only marry one of the sisters, the older sister is more desirable, even though the younger sister has better specs.
I would take the F50 any day. I love NA engines for the immediate response. The flatplane V8 twin turbo sound is very addicting, too, can’t deny that.
Well explained! The F50 is beautifully engineered with the unique to a road ferrari car engine being a stressed member and directly bolted to the chassis F1 style , but still too large and heavy road car for narrower twisty roads. With all the exotic materials it is thus surpising and not mentioned in the video that the engine block is made of cast iron, and the front and rear upper and lower wishbones are made of steel not aluminium.
I did mention the cast iron engie block architecture. Not the wishbones, the video is about the engine origin
Ah, listen carefully at 3:06 to about 3:10. With all that knowledge it is thus surprising you did not notice that. Too busy critiquing things... 😂
@@goosenotmaverick1156 i associate engine block as the name for the lower part of the engine holding the crankshaft, pistons and liners, but you used the word crankcase which you can also use sure
@@VisioRacer the title of the video was F1 reason and i thought my comment about the steel wishbones was relevant because F1 cars save weight everywhere and so this choice of material for the F50 was questioned by many jounralists in all the detailed reviews of the F50 in period.
The F50 always won me over for it's F1 engine.
F50gt is a remarkable engineering achievement
Shame there's so less stuff of it on TH-cam
The question that matters to so many people
In a channel called BEST MOTORING OFFICIAL, they did a race with a lot of cars and in the middle of those they had a f40 and a f50. the f50 won leaving everyone behind, in suzuka.
I think I will always prefer the snarl and growl of a good V8, and even a turbo or supercharged V8 over the higher cylinder count engines. Only V12 sound I like is Aston Martin's Vantage V12.
Thanks again :-)
The F1 50 GT is actually my dream car since kid. That thing is wild, a true F1 derived car. Like the McLaren F1.
McLaren F1 has no F1 ancestor. It only has an F1 engineer. Mercedes AMG one is the other car derived directly from F1, namely its engine is pretty much the F1 engine.
@@bestopinion9257Correct. Just a tuned version of a BMW street car motor
@@bestopinion9257 Try to take into account that we are talking about the 90s. The Mclaren F1 was also advertised as a Formula 1 derivative . Your AMG ONE is totally out of context and too recent. And the BMW engine that powered the 1993 Mclaren F1 sounded and sounds like a Formula One engine.
@@TahirPassionGP My point is that , objective, McLaren F1 is not derived from an existing F1 car.
At that time McLaren F1 was the first street car with F1 solution: carbon fiber monocoque, the engine linked directly to it and being part of resistance structure, gearbox linked to engine and suspension linked to gearbox.
Not even Group C cars were like that. But soon after that solution became the norm for street GT1 and racing cars in general not only F1. And you can't say all of those are derived from F1.
What made F50 more linked to F1 was, along with that implemented solution above mentioned, a modified F1 engine.
Porsche Carera has an engine made for F1 but that never was in F1.
Anyway, McLaren F1 is a better car than both F50 and AMG One, from all standing points, engine included. That engine won two times LM with two different cars. F50 is a nice toy and AMG One is a fail if you ask me.
@@luisdetomaso867 I think saying it is “just” a tuned version of BMWs in period engines undermines the uniqueness and mostly complete redesign of the engine that would be made primarily for the F1. It nearly doubled the power output of what was used in the road cars, and plays a large part in what makes the F1 such a special car. But whilst you are technically correct, having a quick look on the internet, it appears a motorsport engine ended up being derived from the McLaren F1 engine, which probably lends it an even greater provenance, than with it being derived from an F1/ Motorsport engine itself.
I know the F50 is better, I still like the F40 more. Raw, better looking, and something special. The F50 just looks like the corporate version.
That sound !
I know logically that F50 is technically superior... and I see that it has a unique and interesting design... but goddammit I still like the F40 more. It's just so... so... so "80's" 😁
Same thing with Countach vs Diablo, btw. But if you ask me what's better, F50 or a Diablo, Diablo wins hands down. I have *opinions*
For me the F40 would be my choice, looks better ( to me ) than the F50
ANY of these type of exotic cars are far FAR beyond my reach, i will stay with my everyday cars, the maintenance alone on those cars would be CRIPPLING!!!!!
I remember the F50 being one of my favorite cars along side the CLK GTR when I was a kid. Loved racing the GT version on PGR3 & 4. I know this car gets overlooked by the F40, but this thing still holds up today imo!
F50 far better than the f40 , f40 just a cliche and the most mass-produced over hyped over rated limited run ferrari
If you have Assetto Corsa there is a mod for both the F50 GT and the F40 LM made by F40 LM Lover.
60 valves, insanity. The perfect roadgoing Ferrari
I bet the cost of a valve adjustment, would add up quick, wouldn't it?
@@goosenotmaverick1156 Lol
The F40 had pop-up headlights, I don't need any more arguments...
The Ferrari F50 and the Lamborghini Murcielago are the two vehicles that started my obsession with cars thanks to Need for Speed 6 Hot Pursuit 2. The F50 is easily one of the best sounding cars of all time and it further proves why the 90s was arguably the best decade for automobiles. For those of you who haven't seen it yet, I highly recommend you watch the video Chris Harris made where he drives the F40 and F50 back to back on track. The noises the F50 makes as it revs all the way to 8000 RPM make my ears feel like they're in heaven.
The carbon fiber monocoque was classed beyond the tube chassis in F40 IMO, as the halo car should be a demonstration of a cutting-edge road car, not a racecar turned street legal.
Still like the F40 a bit more tho, because of how unhinged and outrageously cool it was in the 80s.
Visio the man i always said f50 over f40 and F50 Gt should have came out with GT1 class smh great video
i like both
Thumbnail arrow pointing to the wrong end of the car
The equivalent of amg one in current market
i agree it is the car🥂
maybe the better then f40 still it kinda looks very awkward when compared it to the f40
5:12 that one has a weird sneeze. I bet someone ruined that wonderful engine with a turbo kit.
Any super cars are things dreams are made of.
Amazing car. The most beautiful Ferrari, IMO.
i like how its supposed to look like a sliced tomato
Dont like Ferrari but i respect it! Has a lovely Red but does not beat the Alfa Romeo Red tone, being the most beautiful Red cars the Alfa! 33 Stradale beats any Ferrari in esthtetichs! Red cars are from Italy and Italy is not only Ferrari remember this.
Wtf you watching me play the new Forza? Past week all ive been using are the two F40s in the game and the two F50s in the game. 🔥 video as always!
The F50GT is my favorite forza engine swap! Haha
doing the enzo when?
The only thing the engine shares with f1 is the block. Everything else is different, even the crank is different.
Yes, I did mention the bearing and stroke length differences
Off the top of my head, I can think of exactly 4 reasons why 😉
I think the F50 is the last true RAW ferrari that was made.
I think you need to be around 36-40 before you start to appreciate the f50
It was good, but not great. The intended audience for the F50 were of a certain age and it was too much racer and not enough refinement.
F50GT is honestly the BEST ferrari ever made, since the 250GT!
Let's don't forget the styling. Design by PININFARINA.
Ferrari please bring back pininfarina and make Ferrari beautiful again.
Isn't that rather an F1 derived engine than an "F1 engine"?
This is a long video to talk about how impressed you are by the engine design. Which speaks volumes about why the f40 is just a better car to drive/own, and the f50 has a half decent engine that would be excellent in a different vehicle. (Once you use an entirely different engine management system because Ferrari somehow can screw up the electrical system, Even with a Bosch controller)
Amazing under the hood but my god I hated its look so much - it was like one of these ridiculously cheerful and random-looking Japanese cars 😩 Very different from the F40. I just couldn't take it seriously despite what's inside.
#1
F50
My favorite Ferrari ever
The best sounding Ferrari(imo)
The F50 GT
Need I say more?
Sega Outrun on xbox 360 anyone?
F40 😎
F30 🤪
most underrated car in ferrari history
I'd have an F40 any day. Just looks better.
I Always liked F50 but they Always adding boring f40
that was never even a question for me. I also always found f40 a very ugly car. the f50 was always a prettier version of f40 for me: not that short stocky and squared look. and with a much better engine (probably the best supercar engine ever, how can you match an f1 v12?)
thats definitely one of the big mysteries of mankind for me: why everybody prefer the f40 over the magnificent f50? maybe because f40 is the last enzo ferrari car, that helps with its mythical status. but thats it, theres any other single argument for preferring the f40: uglier, worst engine with turbolag, worst aerodynamics etc
My favorite Ferrari ist still the 288 GTO, i'll never drive a Ferrari, so i don't care about handling or acceleration, for me, only looks matter. I prefer high revving NA engines over grunty turbos, but the F50 simply doesn't make my pants become tight in the crotch area.
I'll buy EV if they have history like that.
Ferrari F40 LM got track time (proven) , F50 GT not so much... the same reason the Gallardo/Huracan is the best Lamborghini ever made
Because it is ten more Fs
1:13 had to stop watching, and finish in bed. I didn’t even use my hands, ears were enough…🫠
✋🏼🇦🇺👍🏼
still like the f40 better
1 reason its not iconic. it was a cabrio...
A roadster. A cabriolet is a four-seater
@@VisioRacer yeah ok. you know what i mean though. i can only remember the carrera gt an a modern iconic open top supercar. plus mclaren f1 jyst happened
because it has a NA v12.
also it looks better.
I think that the rims on f50 are some of the worst ever
Duh. Obviously 50 is 10 more than 40.
With this you are wrong, f40 is one of the greatest f cars ever.
F40 is mich better car, faster and better looking
You are out of your mind, ingeniere Materazzi build the F40 on his own leadership. F50 lacks homogenity, and thus, it doesn't look good. It seems like a patchwork made with 5 other people at school.
110 hp per liter was 10% better than a Honda Civic 1.6 VTEC...
This F50 is an awesome tribute to Honda everyday cars...
I Always Said Ferrari F50 Was Superior To Ferrari F40 😈
288GTO before either.
Both F40 & F50 are overly fussy styling wise.
F50 is ugly asf, F40 is the art itself
F40 is still faster
The F50 is hideous. The F50 GT is pretty. It’s got that puke ass front end fixed and the lines look so much better without those godawful wing pillars of the regular F50. The cockpit lines look different that the regular F50. It’s practically a different car. Ferrari needs to stop smoking crack with their design. So many of their top tier cars are atrocious looking. Enzo, La Ferrari, FXX, FXX K. These are not good looking cars.
John 3:16: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
Turn to God people. ❤
But the F50 is one of the goofiest looking Ferraris ever.
Agree it’s the reason I’ve never liked it as well. The f40 just looks so much more sleek and clean.