I did a big part of my computational physics PhD on the Radeon VII. We bought 10 of them for the price of 1 Tesla V100. Same VRAM, same performance, 1/10 the price. The only affordable card with FP64 capabilities. And it was 2-slot, from a time before Nvidia/AMD made all their decent cards oversized 3.5-slot nonsense, to make it impossible to put them in servers.
@@DDRWakaLakaI'm just guessing here, but since he did a big part in computational physics, it's probably simulations. A very extensive and resource heavy simulation. Don't quote me on this though.
Are you fn joking? I bet you like modern Nvidia design too. Fn soulless ugly blocks. Get real. That's like saying you prefer shitty IKEA crap to handmade, sturdy, intricately carved high quality wooden furniture. I mean. You're allowed to think that. It's just that that means you have no taste or standards whatsoever.
I loved my VII, but it just didn't make sense. On release, it was quickly superceded/overshadowed by the 5700XT, so when I got my VII a year or so ago, I tried it and sold it. It just didn't seem better than my 5700XT for what it cost.
@@FirstnameLastname-py3bc It has less shading units, and higher clock speed than the Vega 64, so you could say it's an evolution of the Vega 56. The Instinct MI60 has the same amount of shading units as the Vega 64 and lists base clock as 1200MHz, which is slightly lower than the 64, that runs base at 1247 MHz. I don't doubt that with some vBIOS modding you could change that though. You could think of the Radeon VII as a pre-ampere Nvidia 80 class card, faster than the 80ti of the last gen, but not the fastest of the current gen.
@FirstnameLastname-py3bc No. It/the MI 50 and 60, are second generation chips. Architecturally similar but with stuff done to it. It is in no way a rebadged Vega 56 nor 64
I've never forgotten the Radeon VII and I've wanted one ever since it was released, simply because I thought (and still think) that it is a really cool piece of tech. Sadly, the mining boom meant that these never went down to a pricepoint where buying one would have been even remotely justifyable during their relevancy. Heck, they still seem to sell regularly for >300€ on Ebay. If money wasn't an object I'd probably get one just to admire, but I already have a Sapphire Nitro+ RX 5700XT with faulty VRAM on the shelf for that purpose (which was not the intent at all), which already hurt my wallet enough.
I remember these going for £1000+ in the mining peak If i were to ever buy one for whatever reason I'd definitely get one from CeX simply for the warranty
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j I really needed a card back in 2020 but supplys were all over the place. My 980Ti had started hard-resetting my PC every 20 minutes when gaming. One night I was checking eBuyer and saw 5600XT's in stock for £234.99 - there were 41 in stock (none yesterday) but when I refreshed the page it said 37, then refreshing again it said 35! So I didn't think about it, I bought TWO! One for me and one for my daughter. Great cards, but after 9 months Covid had absolutely sent prices insane, and I ended up selling my 5600XT for £600 (couldn't resist) and went back to using my old R9 280X for half a year. The annoying thing is, that night when I bought the cards I had £24k in my bank. I could have just bought ALL 37! And made an absolute killing, almost triple my outlay. But I didn't know prices were gonna be so high!
Bought mine in 2019 from a dude on craigslist for $550. Sold it during the mining peak for $1300 I couldn't believe how much it was going for. I knew there was no way the resale was going to stay that high and honestly I kind of was done with the card due to the lack of driver support. Sold it and bought a used 1080ti from a buddy.
HBM memory was so good they are using it in the server space and left us with DDR. If we had HBM, 4k gaming wouldn't be a struggle these days with the more advance cores. 4096bit memory at 1GB/s in 2019 is insane.
Which is still doing the same thing pretty much, sense comments are client side, until refreshed, meaning it stops no one from looking like they are first, while making more bloat comments
When you the die optimized the FP64 glory (mostly used in those fancy hardcore compute stuffs), and yes, in terms of FP64 only, Radeon VII theoretical performance is better than that of RTX 4090 or 7900XTX
@@lamhkak47 Except that it's useless because fancy compute stuff mostly uses quadros and amds own older radeon instinct series that beats it by like 2x in that regard... even cards from like 2016 (GP100)
@@w04h So, Instinct MI50 share the same die as Radeon VII, and those Quadros, such as the GP100 you raised as example, have the die itself optimized for FP64 compute, same goes for Titan V, A100, H100 and so on for those dies that Nvidia uses HBM instead of DRAM. That's why Radeon VII has quite decent FP64 performance cause it's essentially MI50 with 3-fan cooler slapped on.
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The Radeon 7 has a tiny L3 and L2 cache which bottlenecks it at more modern games. Yes it does run slightly higher clocks than the 5700 XT for example but the cache really does impact it's ability to keep up.
I do believe that you can do RT on this card on linux, due to linux mesa driver have RT "software" (will be rendered on gpu, just not via dedicated rt cores) support on older architectures. Will be cool to see such test.
Cities Skylines 2 would be interesting to see on this card. From my testing, pure GPU core performance seems to have little effect on FPS. It seems to be limited by memory call speed, which the Radeon VII should have in spades. I feel that HBM will become more and more of an advantage in the coming years as memory calls become more complex like Cities Skylines 2. It is actually the next feature I will be looking for in an upgrade from any of the major manufacturers.
Thought the same about the Vega 64, which became my main card as an upgrade to my RX570 and has been powering my main PC since. It's a decent card and with the games I play I feel no need to upgrade it yet.
They are, and they're even worse if you get one that undervolts poorly. I bought one that didn't undervolt well, and returned it, then got another that did undervolt fairly well. Where AMD messed up with this card is the cooler. It just wasn't enough to keep up with the VII. If the card was left unchecked and was running at stock speeds, the Hot spot temps could run past 110c.
I think GPUs with HBM type ram will better scale into 4K relative other models in comparison (it probably won't provide 60+, but it should not degrade as much as other models), don't expect running max settings of course, but people who still have such GPU won't complain about it in the first place, we'll be happy to have any long term performance relevance especially with stuff like FSR prolonging the life of GPU
The Radeon VII was my first GPU for my first desktop build back in early 2019. I aimed for a GPU with performance comparable to the 1080 Ti for my first build and didn't care about ray tracing. Choosing the Radeon VII was a no-brainer for me. I also thought it was funny how so many people kept saying, "Oh, this GPU is dumb and doesn't make sense! You don't need 16 GB VRAM for gaming!" Well, that sure aged like milk.
Just like people saying "why don't you upgrade to a 2080 or a 3070" from the 1080ti meanwhile most of the games I play use around just over 10gb of vram at 1440p or even before that I had a Titan x Maxwell and got called a crazy mofo buying a "useless 12gb card" and immediately using 11gb of vram running ark, for $1200 cad which is nothing these days where a 4080 goes for $2k. I knew even wayyy back in 2015 that even 8gb was kind of obsolete and the 1080ti runs everything great until remastered ark came out and I only get 50-80 fps
Jokes on you, I sold mine 2 years ago for $1600 during the GPU shortage. I got more than double the money back I originally paid for it lol (edit: Also, just because it was no-longer in production 5 months after launch doesn't mean it will no-longer get driver support. That's not how that works) @@hovant6666
I still keep a system with a custom watercooled Radeon VII because it's the best of GCN. Love playing with this card and when you unlock the power limits... WOW. You won't get any proper overclocking until you do so. Then it can clock above 2GHz. It's just a simple regedit change and a reboot and the power limits are removed. Be prepared, depending on the power limit tweak you use, to consume near 500W of power. Yes... it consumes that much when unlocked. You pretty much need water for that though. After unlocking it, it performs about the same as a 2080 Ti give or take. Of course it consumes far more power though.
@@ZackSNetwork if I was simply a gamer, perhaps. I'm a PC enthusiast though. I prefer playing around with hardware, tweaking it, pushing it, seeing what it can and cannot do than I do actually playing games. To each their own.
I have on of This amd vii and i can run Cyberpunk about 100 fps on very high Setting, oberclocked 2175 mhz with 1265 mv and Suck 275 Watts down . I dont understand why he gain so los framerates in this Games Maybe its Stock
So sad these cards will be almost completely gone in a few years considering these things were abused to hell for mining, while already being quite fragile in terms of graphics cards combined with low numbers.
None of the big tech youtubers test those cards with heavily modded games :( THIS is the edge case where the big framebuffer really matters.. You did a great job don't get me wrong, and I'm sorry this has to come on you, but it's always about the mainstream benchmarks, people who buy those cards aren't playing by mainstream rules. I do agree that it would make for a very inconsistent and annoying benchmark test, but someone has to do it at some point... Skyrim heavily modded, Fallout 4 heavily modded, what about Kindgom Come? etc... It would absolutely be a retrospective thing though, it makes no sense to buy the Radeon VII today.
I have one, put a very agressive fan curve on it because the heat. It sounds like a car radiator fan, but it does pretty well on _most_ modern games at 3440x1440. When I upgrade to a 7000 series, I'll make a dissassebled shadow box for it, mostly because the drivers are going to be sunset soon.
I remember the conference where Lisa Su showed this card. It was a major letdown because AMD was hyping up its 7nm architecture and all we got was Radeon 7. They were also released in limited numbers and thats why its never been very popular. Also AMD wanted to take attention away from Radeon 7 and focus on Ryzen CPUs.
A almost 30 TFLOPS (FP16) 16GB 1,024 GB/s bandwidth (RTX 4090 1,008 GB/s bandwidth) DX12 GPU, that can't run actual games, "No, the actual games isn't bad optimized at all"...
People asking for stupid money on eBay for these for a while now. Still a great card, but not worth £450 / $550 which they are listing for (obviously). I managed to grab one for £200 + £15 postage back in October, when my 5700XT died. I'm waiting to do a full system upgrade sometime in 2024, so there was no point in buying a new 7800XT (which normally I would have) to pay full price yet house it with the Ryzen 2700X makes no sense. Radeon VII has been doing amazingly well, and it's a cool looking card to own.
if you want to use vram play warzone with all textures and memory cache settings to high and turn off on demand texture streaming from internet. my 7800xt uses 15 gb after a couple matches.
Trust me, I bought a Radeon VII after it launched and I will never buy another one. The interposer that connects the HBM2 to the GPU die frequently fails and there is nothing that can be done to fix it. I got lucky and got a Radeon VII that has Samsung made HBM and my card still works. Then again the GPU core on my card wasn't that bad and I could underclock it a little bit, knock off 120mv, and the Hot spot temps stayed below 90c. Miners snapped these things up during the last Crypto run and they rked any VII that had Hynix HBM.
You should make a latency test of this GPU, HBM2 Vram is basicly cache, so if it can run it smoothly a game, it is quite likelly to have low latency wich in term would make this GPU quite nice for some gaming
I miss mine. It went with a box last summer, my nephew came and worked for me all summer so I sent him home with a gaming pc. I had a GOLDEN chip radeon VII, it was soooo good. What a legendary card in my opinion.
It's still supported for security and major bugfixes it's just not getting any major feature updates (on windows that is, RADV drivers on Linux drivers are not dropping support for this and other GCN cards).
I want VII just fop cool-factor. It just looks cool. On a VRAM usage - how long do you test for when checking it? BTW you don't really need to push everything to ultra. Just textures, they consume the most. Every step of resolution (1080p -> 1440p -> 4K) adds about 1 GiB of usage from what I've observed, but FSR pushes it back down if used
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3:10 I think the reason they have not optimized Alan Wake 2 to run on Vega GPUs on PC is quite obvious. Considering they did optimize it for the PS5 specifically.
The Xbox Series S is equivalent to a GTX 1650 Super and a Ryzen 7 2700x. A mid range PC by today’s standards would be a RX 7700xt or 7800xt. CPU wise a Ryzen 5 7600 or Ryzen 7 7700x.
@@DTGeorgesee if you can find some deals on gamepass too. there's always *some* kind of promo from *someone* also don't forget you can run og xbox, 360, and xbox one titles off an external usb drive. you can also *store* your xbox series titles externally so you don't have to download them again later, but you'll have to move them back to the internal storage (which sucks but is again still ultimately faster than downloading a 150gb game all over again) a cheap USB 3.0 SATA enclosure and a 1TB SATA SSD might be your best bet, but obviously see what prices are like. (you won't get the speed benefits of an nvme ssd over usb 3.0 on an xbox series, the ports are only usb 3.2 gen1x1 which maxes out at 500mb/s)
A great way to utilize that VRAM would just be to play VRChat in a public lobby with everyone's avatars enabled. lol But seriously though! This would be perfect amount of VRAM, especially with the HBMC function, for big parties in VRChat . Shit gets pretty wild!
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Got the Radeon VII it when it launched, daily drove it for quite some time until i got a 6900 XT, which was a needed upgrade since the Radeon VII doesn't support display stream compression so won't do resolutions like 5120x1440, 4K 60 is fine though. Honestly I was pretty happy with it paired with a 1800X, still am actually. I moved it into an ITX system I use as a console like system now, plus it runs great under Linux, still holds at least a 60FPS average on most games I play, high settings.
Lol. I can tell you first hand? Hard maybe in the right distro and likely on the linux side. Im Windows in A 1111, get a few pots of coffee going. You'll be waiting. And that's IF you don't run out of VRAM (perplexing af, I know. Maybe once I get a second in this rig, that might change but we'll see)
@@MaddJakdmy GTX 1070 in my proxmox server can chew full fat A1111 stable diffusion 768*768 res image with 4x upscaling less than 45 second, yes, with no OC and definitely half the VRAM (not mentioning the VRAM transfer speed). So what are you talking about?
@@MaddJakdI know, and I never said it's all about either fast HBM or 16GB of VRAM, but the recent optimization on Polaris and Vega GPU onwards on many AI task, and better hardware features vs RTX 2000 series (with cheaper price in some used market) certainy make it, again, as I pointed out, dirt cheap AI card. I just wanted to pointed out the HBM features that usually got overlook by normal consumer
@pingtime for one, I've run into many on various 20 series cards shying away from that res so you either know your stuff or blowing smoke.... Either way, it will be all but the consumers who take advantage of such capability as usual. Unless someone goes out of their way to code something to utilize what Vega can actually do, not having Tensor cores, nor even "cuda" in this case apperantly, won't make it a first nor last pick for that task. It's got other heavy lifting It's wonderful at though.
Gotta say, I'm quite a proud owner of Radeon VII. The card looks just great and been rocking as my main gaming graphics card for 3-4 years. It's sad that AMD won't be supporting this card in near future, though.
Dude it’s not that deep lol it’s just an old crummy graphics card. Hopefully you upgrade soon to get a better experience and save money on that energy bill.
Compute power on the Radeon VII is insane! I remember mining with a 2080 and my Radeon 7. The 2080 could manage about a 62mH/s. The Radeon 7, after tweaking memory latencies hit 110mh/s, almost double the 2080. AMD cards had superior asynchronous compute performance, which nvidia hadn't fixed until the 30 series. For AI workloads, you will want a Radeon 7. As in, your computer talking to you.
I have one in my collection actually bought it new🤔 But its a unique card and I’ve always loved the look of it. Its about as fast as a 5700xt, 2080, 1080ti just depends on the game. Its one of those cards that really needs an undervolt to keep sound in check. I probably should’ve sold it when prices were @%^*+#% crazy but I like collecting gpu’s I couldn’t part with it. Im running a 4090 and 7900xtx in my 2 main rigs now and did have it with a 5950x in a build but i got a 6800xt taichi for $320 not long ago and put it with the 5950x. I think I’m gonna do i build with a spare parts and put it with a 3900xt and crosshair vii mb. I did have a 2080 but sold it in a build but i do have a 1080ti and 5700xt two cards that should be around its performance. I would like to test them in 2024 to see how it hold up.
That is why I always preffer lower end newer gen GPUs over higher end older GPUs, even when the newer is a bit slower at launch. Optimization plays a big part over the years.
the main reason why it's expensive is the HBM2 Memory type, it is capable of handling large data i mean crazy large since the memory bus width are 4096 bits (the one before this card are R9 Fury x that has this size of the bus), but at a slower rate which makes this card are better for rendering somehow HBM had a massive stack of die, unlike GDDR5/6 you'll only need one, not to mention the chip would be far bigger that the GDDR5/6 chip, HBM require interposer because you can't stick this thing directly to the PCB since they didn't got enough room for PCB
It's ridiculous what I paid for one of these for my MacPro. I now have a Radeon 6800XT .. 200% the performance ... And paid less for it than the Vii. What a strange time the early 2020's were ! Aye ?
Flagship? I always thought it was a novelty commemorative product. Just a fuckton of memory on a mature architecture on its way out, being AMD's first 7nm product at TSMC.
Getting these used on ebay can be surprisingly cheap if you time it right and find that perfect offer, even cheaper than an equivalent rx 5000 or 6000 series. Possibly a hidden gem for a budget build. I saw one for *well* under $200 on there which is insane for a 16gb card.
Hi, Frame Chaser of th-cam.com/video/Hd6bFNTnWjk/w-d-xo.html found a workaround to run 2100Mhz core instead of stuck at 1700Mhz, would be interesting to see 5800x3D run Radeon7@2100Mhz. Thanks.
ATI: Radeon 7000 Radeon 8000 Radeon 9000 Radeon HD x700/800/900 Radeon HD 1000 Radeon HD 2000 Radeon HD 3000 Radeon HD 4000 Radeon HD 5000 AMD: Radeon HD 6000 Radeon HD 7000/8000 Radeon R5/R7/R9 200 Radeon R5/R7/R9 300/Fury Radeon RX 400 Radeon RX 500/Vega Radeon VII(Vega II) Radeon RX 5000 Radeon RX 6000 Radeon RX 7000 WTF where the marketing team thinking this is VERY confusing...
This card was the "one that got away" for me. I've always been one to overspec, knowing full well how rapidly technology is developing. I was buying 8 core processors when 4 was the normal, and 8gb cards when 4gb was the normal. So when a 16gb card came long, I desperately wanted it. I finally got my hands on it, but sadly, it had horrible performance for the game I was mostly playing at the time (Rust) so I returned it for a 1080 ti.
Iceberg Tech : there is something wrong with you specifically ! For months I've been playing Alan Wake 2 on my Asus Strix RX VEGA 64 and I have had ZERO texture glitches. I am also going to take out my archived Radeon 7 for this just to try it on Alan Wake 2 and to see whats going on. But since it's a Vega derivate, I expect that it will work completely properly as my Vega 64 does. You selfproclaimed youtube reviewers are smth else man, the level of weirdness that you post in terms of inconsistencies, is, to say the least, "astounding".
undervolting this often lets it beat an RTX 2080 even in modern titles. i've had good success with 950mV but maybe i'm lucky with that. your clocks were likely not boosting core clock due to not having enough available overhead combined with the peak MHz being set too high. default BIOS will usually downclock your setting by around 50Mhz, and memory on reference is unlikely to get higher that 1200 without BIOS editing. using 1V as a base, try setting the P2 and P3 clocks (leaving the P1 clock alone) to 1900 and 2000 respectively with and 980mV and 1025mV respectively if you want to try again.
I was able to pick one of these up for $140 to tinker with, and it's great for 1080p for that price. Any higher, and it starts to lose value... I've personally achieved 4k 60fps in Forza Horizon 5 using CAS, but that's about it. Starfield dips below 50 at 1440p, and Cyberpunk is a console experience at 1440p.
If it couldn't out-perform an RTX 2080, then it'll be a 1080p card, period. Having said that, I'd be curious to know how well it can run a Radeon title like Far Cry 6. Can the Radeon VII employ FSR?
I've had a Radeon VII since launch day and I am still using it right now. It's reaching the end of it's life for me however as it simply doesn't work properly with Ark Survival Ascended (any pre-RDNA AMD GPU's don't seem to be able to handle the water in the game) and it's reached the point now that new features like frame generation aren't compatible with it, and it's not getting the latest driver updates anymore. I always buy enthusiast grade cards, and as I am doing a build at the end of 2024 I will likely be forced to go Nvidia this time as AMD are supposedly not launching an 8800 or 8900, and I am not going to buy a 7900XTX just as it's due to become obsolete.
The game isn't particularly well made but I have two GPUs the rx 7600 and a gtx 1080 ti and for ark survival ascended I think the 1080 ti is better due to vram. 1080p low preset sometimes overflows into system ram on the 7600 and sure you can drop the settings below low or use console commands to disable clouds+ fog + grass but playing at 4k* (0% Res scale think it's about 1080p although it performs worse) at the low preset with max textures on the 1080 ti is more pleasant as 24 to 50 FPS is acceptable but not ideal, but kind of better than 80fps that drops to 20fps around bases and dinosaurs without having the settings dropped lower than low or going sub 1080p with Res scale. And the max textures do make a decent difference IMO although it's pretty small like 2gb of vram more.
I did a big part of my computational physics PhD on the Radeon VII. We bought 10 of them for the price of 1 Tesla V100. Same VRAM, same performance, 1/10 the price. The only affordable card with FP64 capabilities. And it was 2-slot, from a time before Nvidia/AMD made all their decent cards oversized 3.5-slot nonsense, to make it impossible to put them in servers.
The Radeon 7 was literally an mi60 with a gamer cooler on it
@@deepspacecow2644 yes, and for cheap :)
If I can pry a bit, what were you doing with it, specifically?
@@DDRWakaLakaI'm just guessing here, but since he did a big part in computational physics, it's probably simulations.
A very extensive and resource heavy simulation.
Don't quote me on this though.
@@javelin1423 .....yes????? that's what I'm asking? what was all this number crunching for? oil well simulation? protein folding? god particles????
probably one of the best looking cards in recent years
And utter trash in any other regard
Driver support might be a problem in comming games
@@Athalant8320 if modded drivers and morepowertool became a thing this card can shred in games
It’s a silver rectangle with three fans. Don’t forget the HBM2 gimmick.
Are you fn joking?
I bet you like modern Nvidia design too.
Fn soulless ugly blocks.
Get real.
That's like saying you prefer shitty IKEA crap to handmade, sturdy, intricately carved high quality wooden furniture.
I mean. You're allowed to think that. It's just that that means you have no taste or standards whatsoever.
I loved my VII, but it just didn't make sense. On release, it was quickly superceded/overshadowed by the 5700XT, so when I got my VII a year or so ago, I tried it and sold it. It just didn't seem better than my 5700XT for what it cost.
Yeah it was just a Radeon Vega 64 afaik
@@FirstnameLastname-py3bc It has less shading units, and higher clock speed than the Vega 64, so you could say it's an evolution of the Vega 56.
The Instinct MI60 has the same amount of shading units as the Vega 64 and lists base clock as 1200MHz, which is slightly lower than the 64, that runs base at 1247 MHz. I don't doubt that with some vBIOS modding you could change that though.
You could think of the Radeon VII as a pre-ampere Nvidia 80 class card, faster than the 80ti of the last gen, but not the fastest of the current gen.
... at least it was better known, and sold better, then the R9 Nano.
@@FirstnameLastname-py3bcIt was MI 60
@FirstnameLastname-py3bc No. It/the MI 50 and 60, are second generation chips. Architecturally similar but with stuff done to it.
It is in no way a rebadged Vega 56 nor 64
The sigh of utter disgust whenever you encounter a frame rate of 69 fills my heart with joy ❤
was very classy though, he used french, oh la la!
I've never forgotten the Radeon VII and I've wanted one ever since it was released, simply because I thought (and still think) that it is a really cool piece of tech. Sadly, the mining boom meant that these never went down to a pricepoint where buying one would have been even remotely justifyable during their relevancy. Heck, they still seem to sell regularly for >300€ on Ebay. If money wasn't an object I'd probably get one just to admire, but I already have a Sapphire Nitro+ RX 5700XT with faulty VRAM on the shelf for that purpose (which was not the intent at all), which already hurt my wallet enough.
This. The rare couple of times I've looked at the market, the VII's are selling used for basically brand new prices. It's insane, hard pass.
The reference 5700XT is a bad cooling card, but man its so pretty.
I remember these going for £1000+ in the mining peak
If i were to ever buy one for whatever reason I'd definitely get one from CeX simply for the warranty
yeh hehe, good times. Sadly I sold my 5700xt for under 700€ then (only 600€ today) when others sold up to 1000€ or 850£
Hah never goin to buy any gpu when it come to minin peak
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j I really needed a card back in 2020 but supplys were all over the place. My 980Ti had started hard-resetting my PC every 20 minutes when gaming. One night I was checking eBuyer and saw 5600XT's in stock for £234.99 - there were 41 in stock (none yesterday) but when I refreshed the page it said 37, then refreshing again it said 35!
So I didn't think about it, I bought TWO! One for me and one for my daughter.
Great cards, but after 9 months Covid had absolutely sent prices insane, and I ended up selling my 5600XT for £600 (couldn't resist) and went back to using my old R9 280X for half a year.
The annoying thing is, that night when I bought the cards I had £24k in my bank. I could have just bought ALL 37! And made an absolute killing, almost triple my outlay. But I didn't know prices were gonna be so high!
Bought mine in 2019 from a dude on craigslist for $550. Sold it during the mining peak for $1300 I couldn't believe how much it was going for. I knew there was no way the resale was going to stay that high and honestly I kind of was done with the card due to the lack of driver support. Sold it and bought a used 1080ti from a buddy.
That only became a roman numeral "Seven" during late stage marketing, just before launch.
It was developed as a "Vega Two"
Then le Vega family becomin iGPU
Allegedly
They did actually kept this name for Mac Pro GPUs where the full Vega 20 chip with 64CUs was used
HBM memory was so good they are using it in the server space and left us with DDR. If we had HBM, 4k gaming wouldn't be a struggle these days with the more advance cores. 4096bit memory at 1GB/s in 2019 is insane.
here so no annoying people doing the first comment thing
Which is still doing the same thing pretty much, sense comments are client side, until refreshed, meaning it stops no one from looking like they are first, while making more bloat comments
Which is just as bad...you still haven't mentioned anything about the video..🤔
The "first" comments improve analytics for the video. I say more power to them.
...first!
The Radeon VII is perfect as a relic since the Radeon VII is a very rare GPU.
HBM-based gaming gpus are so cool! Shame that GCN just couldn't compete.
When you the die optimized the FP64 glory (mostly used in those fancy hardcore compute stuffs), and yes, in terms of FP64 only, Radeon VII theoretical performance is better than that of RTX 4090 or 7900XTX
@@lamhkak47No it isn’t you clown not even half way close lmao. Teraflops are a terrible way to compare three completely different architectures.
@@lamhkak47 Except that it's useless because fancy compute stuff mostly uses quadros and amds own older radeon instinct series that beats it by like 2x in that regard... even cards from like 2016 (GP100)
@@w04h So, Instinct MI50 share the same die as Radeon VII, and those Quadros, such as the GP100 you raised as example, have the die itself optimized for FP64 compute, same goes for Titan V, A100, H100 and so on for those dies that Nvidia uses HBM instead of DRAM.
That's why Radeon VII has quite decent FP64 performance cause it's essentially MI50 with 3-fan cooler slapped on.
Nope. It's real nighmare in part of reliability and maintainability.
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Life sucks equally for everyone.
@@trippytrithey have been saying that my whole fucking life
that's ridiculous@@alexm7777
Hope you the best. In both worlds!
Nice video. You're a refreshing
channel with good analysis and phenomenal presentation, I really want to see you up there with LTT and Gamers Nexus.
The Radeon 7 has a tiny L3 and L2 cache which bottlenecks it at more modern games. Yes it does run slightly higher clocks than the 5700 XT for example but the cache really does impact it's ability to keep up.
I do believe that you can do RT on this card on linux, due to linux mesa driver have RT "software" (will be rendered on gpu, just not via dedicated rt cores) support on older architectures. Will be cool to see such test.
Cities Skylines 2 would be interesting to see on this card.
From my testing, pure GPU core performance seems to have little effect on FPS.
It seems to be limited by memory call speed, which the Radeon VII should have in spades.
I feel that HBM will become more and more of an advantage in the coming years as memory calls become more complex like Cities Skylines 2.
It is actually the next feature I will be looking for in an upgrade from any of the major manufacturers.
i have bought two used Radeon VII these year. for my own collection. tested still working good. i just love the looks of Radeon VII.
I’ve always kinda wanted a Radeon VII. I have no use for it, I just think they’re sorta neat?
Thought the same about the Vega 64, which became my main card as an upgrade to my RX570 and has been powering my main PC since.
It's a decent card and with the games I play I feel no need to upgrade it yet.
Such a beautiful card.
Radeon VII is freaking super cool but everything I've heard seems to suggest that they're kinda a pain in the ass.
They are, and they're even worse if you get one that undervolts poorly. I bought one that didn't undervolt well, and returned it, then got another that did undervolt fairly well.
Where AMD messed up with this card is the cooler. It just wasn't enough to keep up with the VII. If the card was left unchecked and was running at stock speeds, the Hot spot temps could run past 110c.
Good video man. We definitely need some gaming benchmarks under Linux with these AMD GPUs one of these days
This very well produced video shows that VRAM isn't everything. I love your work, keep it up! 👍👍
I think GPUs with HBM type ram will better scale into 4K relative other models in comparison (it probably won't provide 60+, but it should not degrade as much as other models),
don't expect running max settings of course, but people who still have such GPU won't complain about it in the first place, we'll be happy to have any long term performance relevance especially with stuff like FSR prolonging the life of GPU
I love your videos. The production value is out of this world.
It's a shame that AMD GPUs from this era don't support DirectX12 Ultimate, I wouldn't consider one of these just because of this alone.
I mean, even RDNA 1 cards don't support DX12 ultimate.
So yeah, if you need DX12 Ultimate you had to go with RDNA 2 card at the minimum.
And did you consider that DX12U requirements that made it Non DX12U capable is ray tracing?
then any GPU before 2019 should be off your list. hell even RDNA 1 and GTX 16 series don't even have DX12_2😂
@@yanagida_01Only Turing GPU’s and up have DX12.
@@ZackSNetwork16 series is turing
The Radeon VII was my first GPU for my first desktop build back in early 2019. I aimed for a GPU with performance comparable to the 1080 Ti for my first build and didn't care about ray tracing. Choosing the Radeon VII was a no-brainer for me. I also thought it was funny how so many people kept saying, "Oh, this GPU is dumb and doesn't make sense! You don't need 16 GB VRAM for gaming!" Well, that sure aged like milk.
Just like people saying "why don't you upgrade to a 2080 or a 3070" from the 1080ti meanwhile most of the games I play use around just over 10gb of vram at 1440p or even before that I had a Titan x Maxwell and got called a crazy mofo buying a "useless 12gb card" and immediately using 11gb of vram running ark, for $1200 cad which is nothing these days where a 4080 goes for $2k. I knew even wayyy back in 2015 that even 8gb was kind of obsolete and the 1080ti runs everything great until remastered ark came out and I only get 50-80 fps
What aged like milk was your Radeon VII, declared EOL within months of launch
Jokes on you, I sold mine 2 years ago for $1600 during the GPU shortage. I got more than double the money back I originally paid for it lol (edit: Also, just because it was no-longer in production 5 months after launch doesn't mean it will no-longer get driver support. That's not how that works) @@hovant6666
@@hovant6666 still a 16gb card in a time where 8gb isn't enough but cards still come with 8
I still keep a system with a custom watercooled Radeon VII because it's the best of GCN. Love playing with this card and when you unlock the power limits... WOW. You won't get any proper overclocking until you do so. Then it can clock above 2GHz. It's just a simple regedit change and a reboot and the power limits are removed. Be prepared, depending on the power limit tweak you use, to consume near 500W of power. Yes... it consumes that much when unlocked. You pretty much need water for that though.
After unlocking it, it performs about the same as a 2080 Ti give or take. Of course it consumes far more power though.
Waste of time and energy.
@@ZackSNetworkLike your comment.
@@ZackSNetworkthis might surprise you but some people actually like to tweak their hardware
@@ZackSNetwork if I was simply a gamer, perhaps. I'm a PC enthusiast though. I prefer playing around with hardware, tweaking it, pushing it, seeing what it can and cannot do than I do actually playing games. To each their own.
I have on of This amd vii and i can run Cyberpunk about 100 fps on very high Setting, oberclocked 2175 mhz with 1265 mv and Suck 275 Watts down . I dont understand why he gain so los framerates in this Games Maybe its Stock
For overclocking on AMD in MSI afterburner you need to tick a box in the settings. I was having this issue with my 7900xtx.
So sad these cards will be almost completely gone in a few years considering these things were abused to hell for mining, while already being quite fragile in terms of graphics cards combined with low numbers.
None of the big tech youtubers test those cards with heavily modded games :( THIS is the edge case where the big framebuffer really matters..
You did a great job don't get me wrong, and I'm sorry this has to come on you, but it's always about the mainstream benchmarks, people who buy those cards aren't playing by mainstream rules. I do agree that it would make for a very inconsistent and annoying benchmark test, but someone has to do it at some point... Skyrim heavily modded, Fallout 4 heavily modded, what about Kindgom Come? etc...
It would absolutely be a retrospective thing though, it makes no sense to buy the Radeon VII today.
I have one, put a very agressive fan curve on it because the heat. It sounds like a car radiator fan, but it does pretty well on _most_ modern games at 3440x1440.
When I upgrade to a 7000 series, I'll make a dissassebled shadow box for it, mostly because the drivers are going to be sunset soon.
I remember the conference where Lisa Su showed this card. It was a major letdown because AMD was hyping up its 7nm architecture and all we got was Radeon 7. They were also released in limited numbers and thats why its never been very popular. Also AMD wanted to take attention away from Radeon 7 and focus on Ryzen CPUs.
CDPR probably forgot that these Vega/GCN 5 cards even existed😂
even an RX 590 gets similar performance on the same settings vs the Vega 56
A almost 30 TFLOPS (FP16) 16GB 1,024 GB/s bandwidth (RTX 4090 1,008 GB/s bandwidth) DX12 GPU, that can't run actual games, "No, the actual games isn't bad optimized at all"...
People asking for stupid money on eBay for these for a while now. Still a great card, but not worth £450 / $550 which they are listing for (obviously).
I managed to grab one for £200 + £15 postage back in October, when my 5700XT died. I'm waiting to do a full system upgrade sometime in 2024, so there was no point in buying a new 7800XT (which normally I would have) to pay full price yet house it with the Ryzen 2700X makes no sense.
Radeon VII has been doing amazingly well, and it's a cool looking card to own.
if you want to use vram play warzone with all textures and memory cache settings to high and turn off on demand texture streaming from internet. my 7800xt uses 15 gb after a couple matches.
I found one for like $50 in broken condition. Fixed it and now its in my main PC. Absolute beast
Mine has an error code I haven't found on Google. Le sigh.
3:12 Third time seeing this issue online with the Radeon VII. Lol.
Trust me, I bought a Radeon VII after it launched and I will never buy another one. The interposer that connects the HBM2 to the GPU die frequently fails and there is nothing that can be done to fix it. I got lucky and got a Radeon VII that has Samsung made HBM and my card still works. Then again the GPU core on my card wasn't that bad and I could underclock it a little bit, knock off 120mv, and the Hot spot temps stayed below 90c.
Miners snapped these things up during the last Crypto run and they rked any VII that had Hynix HBM.
You should make a latency test of this GPU, HBM2 Vram is basicly cache, so if it can run it smoothly a game, it is quite likelly to have low latency
wich in term would make this GPU quite nice for some gaming
Well i got one on release and can say that i will never go back to AMD gpu, the hardware is good but software support from third party is inexistant
I miss mine. It went with a box last summer, my nephew came and worked for me all summer so I sent him home with a gaming pc. I had a GOLDEN chip radeon VII, it was soooo good. What a legendary card in my opinion.
Echoing many comments here, the VII is beautifully designed. AMD hasn't came close since, aesthetically.
May I ask: did you have SAM on? Im asking just out of curiosity, since the VII has a massive bandwith...
“Cringe of Duty: Warzone”
- Iceberg Tech, 2023
The best budget GPU is Rx 6600 or 6600m without a question
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Nah it's Arc A770 16 GB.
@@laszlozsurka8991 A or B? I choose C
RTX 4090.
don't forget the broken, corrupt drivers, the terrible die contact of the cooler, lack of fin surface area, and nonsensical price point. Dog card.
id say get radeon 7 for your workstation and rx 6700 xt for ur gaming pc thats good enough
Finally. I have no idea why this card is losing support when it's obviously still completely viable for gaming.
It’s viable for older games and low powered indie games. A lot of new games require DX12 Ultimate, Mesh shaders, raytracing etc.
@@ZackSNetwork literally 1 game REQUIRES mesh shades, no games REQUIRE Ray Tracing, and I can't find any games that require DX12 Ultimate either
Because it's on par performance and feature set wise with a high end card from 6 years ago?
@@ryanspencer6778 it's not even 5 years old. There are cards still being supported that run worse than a 1080TI, so your point is moot
It's still supported for security and major bugfixes it's just not getting any major feature updates (on windows that is, RADV drivers on Linux drivers are not dropping support for this and other GCN cards).
lol amd abandoned this, meanwhile nvidia still supports maxwell. yikes!!
I want VII just fop cool-factor. It just looks cool.
On a VRAM usage - how long do you test for when checking it? BTW you don't really need to push everything to ultra. Just textures, they consume the most. Every step of resolution (1080p -> 1440p -> 4K) adds about 1 GiB of usage from what I've observed, but FSR pushes it back down if used
If it wasn't for your channel I wouldn't know how overrated the newest graphics cards are. Alot of the cards/parts you review are enough for my gaming needs.
what the hell is going on with these newer games and vram usage? ugh, im so sick of bloated software, this is such a degenerative situation
3:10 I think the reason they have not optimized Alan Wake 2 to run on Vega GPUs on PC is quite obvious. Considering they did optimize it for the PS5 specifically.
I have a question. Could you please conpare a mid-tier PC to a Xbox Series S?
The Xbox Series S is equivalent to a GTX 1650 Super and a Ryzen 7 2700x. A mid range PC by today’s standards would be a RX 7700xt or 7800xt. CPU wise a Ryzen 5 7600 or Ryzen 7 7700x.
@@ZackSNetwork ok thanks👍 I will probably stick to buying a Xbox Series S because my budget is 400€
@@DTGeorgeSmart decision and have fun.
@@ZackSNetwork thanks
@@DTGeorgesee if you can find some deals on gamepass too. there's always *some* kind of promo from *someone*
also don't forget you can run og xbox, 360, and xbox one titles off an external usb drive.
you can also *store* your xbox series titles externally so you don't have to download them again later, but you'll have to move them back to the internal storage (which sucks but is again still ultimately faster than downloading a 150gb game all over again)
a cheap USB 3.0 SATA enclosure and a 1TB SATA SSD might be your best bet, but obviously see what prices are like. (you won't get the speed benefits of an nvme ssd over usb 3.0 on an xbox series, the ports are only usb 3.2 gen1x1 which maxes out at 500mb/s)
9:15" it can manage..... soixante-neuf" not very ***nice*** of you, my man 😂
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A great way to utilize that VRAM would just be to play VRChat in a public lobby with everyone's avatars enabled. lol But seriously though! This would be perfect amount of VRAM, especially with the HBMC function, for big parties in VRChat . Shit gets pretty wild!
You consistently make good interesting content thats exactly what people are looking for and interested in while being well produced, edited and just overall created. Keep up the good work and hope you continue to grow
gotta love it's called Radeon 7 yet I pronounce it as Radeon Bee
I know this might go against your benchmarking but how would custom Drivers affect testing for these older vega gpus
Hey mate. Just wanted to tell you youre doing great and to keep it up. Also i have a suggestion for a video for you. A visit to the old budget king the gtx 1660 ti
This baby has been reliable and powerful since 2017. I don't see why I need a new one for at least two more years.
I thought it was called the Radeion VII because it was Vega II generation, with the APUs on 7nm being Vega 2.5
The internal codename while under development was Vega 2 :)
So yeah "VII" can both mean Vega II and 7 from 7nm.
what you gonna do with all that *V I D E O R A M*
hilarious.
Imagine a 4090 with this sort of memory Interface
Got the Radeon VII it when it launched, daily drove it for quite some time until i got a 6900 XT, which was a needed upgrade since the Radeon VII doesn't support display stream compression so won't do resolutions like 5120x1440, 4K 60 is fine though. Honestly I was pretty happy with it paired with a 1800X, still am actually. I moved it into an ITX system I use as a console like system now, plus it runs great under Linux, still holds at least a 60FPS average on most games I play, high settings.
Apparently I'm late again.
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ps love you man awesome videos
mines a pretty good paperweight being dead and all :D
I want to see how it performs vs RDNA cards for games where tessellation is used.
5700xt better buy for gaming.
9:17 thanks for making the Frenchies laugh ❤️
de rien 😊
Radeon VII is definitely can be new contender for dirt cheap AI task card, those 16GB of speedy HBM2 memory is gonna rocks on some of AI task
Lol.
I can tell you first hand? Hard maybe in the right distro and likely on the linux side.
Im Windows in A 1111, get a few pots of coffee going. You'll be waiting. And that's IF you don't run out of VRAM (perplexing af, I know. Maybe once I get a second in this rig, that might change but we'll see)
@@MaddJakdmy GTX 1070 in my proxmox server can chew full fat A1111 stable diffusion 768*768 res image with 4x upscaling less than 45 second, yes, with no OC and definitely half the VRAM (not mentioning the VRAM transfer speed). So what are you talking about?
@pingtime Exactly as I've described. VRAM aint all you need to play with AI
@@MaddJakdI know, and I never said it's all about either fast HBM or 16GB of VRAM, but the recent optimization on Polaris and Vega GPU onwards on many AI task, and better hardware features vs RTX 2000 series (with cheaper price in some used market) certainy make it, again, as I pointed out, dirt cheap AI card. I just wanted to pointed out the HBM features that usually got overlook by normal consumer
@pingtime for one, I've run into many on various 20 series cards shying away from that res so you either know your stuff or blowing smoke....
Either way, it will be all but the consumers who take advantage of such capability as usual.
Unless someone goes out of their way to code something to utilize what Vega can actually do, not having Tensor cores, nor even "cuda" in this case apperantly, won't make it a first nor last pick for that task.
It's got other heavy lifting It's wonderful at though.
use 1 for VR and its the best card i've ever had
Gotta say, I'm quite a proud owner of Radeon VII. The card looks just great and been rocking as my main gaming graphics card for 3-4 years. It's sad that AMD won't be supporting this card in near future, though.
Dude it’s not that deep lol it’s just an old crummy graphics card. Hopefully you upgrade soon to get a better experience and save money on that energy bill.
@@ZackSNetwork I know, but the design was great. Undervolting made it a little less power hungry.
Compute power on the Radeon VII is insane! I remember mining with a 2080 and my Radeon 7. The 2080 could manage about a 62mH/s. The Radeon 7, after tweaking memory latencies hit 110mh/s, almost double the 2080. AMD cards had superior asynchronous compute performance, which nvidia hadn't fixed until the 30 series. For AI workloads, you will want a Radeon 7. As in, your computer talking to you.
I love that he switches to french every time he sees 69 XD
… and this time it was during Plague Tale, a game set in France, so the character got embarrassed and said he had to go.
I have one in my collection actually bought it new🤔 But its a unique card and I’ve always loved the look of it. Its about as fast as a 5700xt, 2080, 1080ti just depends on the game. Its one of those cards that really needs an undervolt to keep sound in check. I probably should’ve sold it when prices were @%^*+#% crazy but I like collecting gpu’s I couldn’t part with it. Im running a 4090 and 7900xtx in my 2 main rigs now and did have it with a 5950x in a build but i got a 6800xt taichi for $320 not long ago and put it with the 5950x. I think I’m gonna do i build with a spare parts and put it with a 3900xt and crosshair vii mb. I did have a 2080 but sold it in a build but i do have a 1080ti and 5700xt two cards that should be around its performance. I would like to test them in 2024 to see how it hold up.
balls
That is why I always preffer lower end newer gen GPUs over higher end older GPUs, even when the newer is a bit slower at launch. Optimization plays a big part over the years.
Was always curious about the Radeon VII’s performance in 2023!
I feel horrible having a RX 6600 now. I bought it for way too much in the pandemic at $500 AUD. It's now worth $150.
Oops it happens, I paid $1300 USD for a 6900xt and it's only worth maybe $400 now, it's just money there's plenty of time to make more
Its okay, the people who paid 700$ on a Radeon VII for gaming probably feel worse
@@NoThisIsntMyChannel Not really
the main reason why it's expensive is the HBM2 Memory type, it is capable of handling large data i mean crazy large since the memory bus width are 4096 bits (the one before this card are R9 Fury x that has this size of the bus), but at a slower rate which makes this card are better for rendering somehow
HBM had a massive stack of die, unlike GDDR5/6 you'll only need one, not to mention the chip would be far bigger that the GDDR5/6 chip, HBM require interposer because you can't stick this thing directly to the PCB since they didn't got enough room for PCB
It's ridiculous what I paid for one of these for my MacPro. I now have a Radeon 6800XT .. 200% the performance ... And paid less for it than the Vii.
What a strange time the early 2020's were ! Aye ?
Flagship? I always thought it was a novelty commemorative product. Just a fuckton of memory on a mature architecture on its way out, being AMD's first 7nm product at TSMC.
I've been dreaming about this card, and the titan V. I'm gonna buy one in 10 years or so.
one i've always thought was cool is the GV100 blower style card black and gold looks cool af
@@DanStarTheFirst yeah that one too, way too expensive sadly
Red Devil rx 6950 xt still good. 16gb enough for future. 1.96gb. 128gb ddr5 ram to 1 tb.
Getting these used on ebay can be surprisingly cheap if you time it right and find that perfect offer, even cheaper than an equivalent rx 5000 or 6000 series. Possibly a hidden gem for a budget build. I saw one for *well* under $200 on there which is insane for a 16gb card.
Iceberg just posted another video.
Me previously doing nothing: Hell yeah!
Hi, Frame Chaser of th-cam.com/video/Hd6bFNTnWjk/w-d-xo.html found a workaround to run 2100Mhz core instead of stuck at 1700Mhz, would be interesting to see 5800x3D run Radeon7@2100Mhz. Thanks.
ATI:
Radeon 7000
Radeon 8000
Radeon 9000
Radeon HD x700/800/900
Radeon HD 1000
Radeon HD 2000
Radeon HD 3000
Radeon HD 4000
Radeon HD 5000
AMD:
Radeon HD 6000
Radeon HD 7000/8000
Radeon R5/R7/R9 200
Radeon R5/R7/R9 300/Fury
Radeon RX 400
Radeon RX 500/Vega
Radeon VII(Vega II)
Radeon RX 5000
Radeon RX 6000
Radeon RX 7000
WTF where the marketing team thinking this is VERY confusing...
This card was the "one that got away" for me. I've always been one to overspec, knowing full well how rapidly technology is developing. I was buying 8 core processors when 4 was the normal, and 8gb cards when 4gb was the normal. So when a 16gb card came long, I desperately wanted it. I finally got my hands on it, but sadly, it had horrible performance for the game I was mostly playing at the time (Rust) so I returned it for a 1080 ti.
Iceberg Tech : there is something wrong with you specifically ! For months I've been playing Alan Wake 2 on my Asus Strix RX VEGA 64 and I have had ZERO texture glitches. I am also going to take out my archived Radeon 7 for this just to try it on Alan Wake 2 and to see whats going on. But since it's a Vega derivate, I expect that it will work completely properly as my Vega 64 does.
You selfproclaimed youtube reviewers are smth else man, the level of weirdness that you post in terms of inconsistencies, is, to say the least, "astounding".
RX 7600 XT completely made this card obsolete. Price is close, but u get a NEW and MODERN card with longer life/support.
undervolting this often lets it beat an RTX 2080 even in modern titles. i've had good success with 950mV but maybe i'm lucky with that. your clocks were likely not boosting core clock due to not having enough available overhead combined with the peak MHz being set too high. default BIOS will usually downclock your setting by around 50Mhz, and memory on reference is unlikely to get higher that 1200 without BIOS editing. using 1V as a base, try setting the P2 and P3 clocks (leaving the P1 clock alone) to 1900 and 2000 respectively with and 980mV and 1025mV respectively if you want to try again.
I was able to pick one of these up for $140 to tinker with, and it's great for 1080p for that price. Any higher, and it starts to lose value...
I've personally achieved 4k 60fps in Forza Horizon 5 using CAS, but that's about it. Starfield dips below 50 at 1440p, and Cyberpunk is a console experience at 1440p.
If it couldn't out-perform an RTX 2080, then it'll be a 1080p card, period. Having said that, I'd be curious to know how well it can run a Radeon title like Far Cry 6. Can the Radeon VII employ FSR?
I've had a Radeon VII since launch day and I am still using it right now. It's reaching the end of it's life for me however as it simply doesn't work properly with Ark Survival Ascended (any pre-RDNA AMD GPU's don't seem to be able to handle the water in the game) and it's reached the point now that new features like frame generation aren't compatible with it, and it's not getting the latest driver updates anymore.
I always buy enthusiast grade cards, and as I am doing a build at the end of 2024 I will likely be forced to go Nvidia this time as AMD are supposedly not launching an 8800 or 8900, and I am not going to buy a 7900XTX just as it's due to become obsolete.
The game isn't particularly well made but I have two GPUs the rx 7600 and a gtx 1080 ti and for ark survival ascended I think the 1080 ti is better due to vram.
1080p low preset sometimes overflows into system ram on the 7600 and sure you can drop the settings below low or use console commands to disable clouds+ fog + grass but playing at 4k* (0% Res scale think it's about 1080p although it performs worse) at the low preset with max textures on the 1080 ti is more pleasant as 24 to 50 FPS is acceptable but not ideal, but kind of better than 80fps that drops to 20fps around bases and dinosaurs without having the settings dropped lower than low or going sub 1080p with Res scale. And the max textures do make a decent difference IMO although it's pretty small like 2gb of vram more.