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The AssCreed Japan one is made worse by the fact the iron was struck so cold that there is already a game that came out which did basically EVERYTHING people would have wanted from an AssCreed Japan game so now everyone is just going 'But I already got Ghost of Tsushima'.
Exactly. Then they revealed it's going to be an RPG, something Ubi$oft has utterly failed at making three games in a row.
I don't got ghost of tsushima cause I only have a pc. But assassins creed kinda mid
@@bajscast didnt it come outo n PC later on?? I know it was ps4/5 at first but then was ported?
@@Kakashifan727 not out on pc yet unfortunately. It's rumored that it might be out later this year prob around Nov/Dec
They said this in a prior video, but by the time AC Japan actually comes out, multiple games will have done it, and done it better. Ghost of Tsushima, Rise of the Ronin, etc.
Ubisoft somehow turned _two_ franchises with infinite potential (AssCreed and FarCry) into the equivalent of EA sports games.
Throw rainbow six and ghost recon in there too.
@@hiblast629 Rainbow Siege is actually kinda weird cause from everything I've heard, it seems great.
it could be worse. they turned Rayman into Rabbids.
@@leithaziz2716 At first during launch year, yes. But with how they're treating new characters and the battlepass, no.
even Sports games (especially hunting games) have the odd chance of something going Hilariously wrong and being accidentally entertaining... Ubisoft pumps out Soap Operas with frequently boring texture glitches
Pat appears to think that the Ubi devs were saying that "people wanted us to return to the Middle East" when it was actually "people want us to return to Brotherhood style gameplay".
i cant believe that 16 years and 12 fucking mainline games they didnt allow the team to experiment witht he installments and do some interesting mechanics shit
I thought even Brotherhood went too far shoehorning in a bunch of bank shit and assassin management minigames, and the newer ones have gone way too far over the deep end. Not every game needs to have eight skill trees and a thousand collectables and side quests, sometimes I just want a damn basic ass video game where you stab the bad guys and jump off rooftops and Ass Creed 1 and 2 did that job just fine. I miss when games could just be not RPG's, and RPG's are my favorite kind of game.
@@7U57HTJRYGHG they did! that was Origins. I am not so happy with their experiments, but the people who stuck around for the sequels were quite happy.
@@TheAlison1456 i would argue it wasn't even just Origins. I've played a huge chunk of the games and alot of them introduce mechanics i actually love, but they never tweaked with. One major example of this is actually a handheld: Liberation and its social stealth mechanics. After playing that game it will forever baffle the hell out of me why they never tweaked are did more with disguises, due to how big social stealth is supposed to be in the assassins world. Arguably Revelations did something similar because in a few missions you disguise yourself as a guard and musician to fool the people around you. It will forever baffle me. Same with the assassination recruits and the missions you can send them on and use them for. Wasted potential.
@TheAlison1456 What are you talking about? Did you even read the comment? They want a basic ac with no tacked on extra mechanics, Origins was the beginning of that whole RPG stuff.
Doesn't matter how good parts of Odyssey or Valhalla might be, 12+ menu tabs of microtransactions equals no buy.
It's astounding how scared Ubi is of even dipping their toes outside generic open world schlop
They aren't scared, they lack creativity and integrity. They don't know how to make anything fresh.
Ubi is too scared of getting rid of problematic people within the company so it kinda tracks of them being cowardly
Well when you've built a desert around your shallow pool...
*Cries in Rayman Origins and Legends*
(I just miss them)
I mean, immortals was a great breath of the wild clone but it’s literally the only good game they’ve made in years and it’s super derivative
I've been saying for a while that Ubisoft isn't going to release _Skull and Bones_ until they figure out how to make a ship climb a tower to unlock more of the ocean.
I bet you there's going to be a crane that pulls your ship all the way up a cliff, then you get to do it.
Oh it's very doable. I believe in them. Easiest copout is shipwreck masts. Or random island rock spires.
It's weird that Yakuza, a series with 13 entries that also reuses the same map, gameplay, and characters from game to game, has less of a fatigue stigma than Ubisoft games.
As a Yakuza fan, I have a theory even if it's biased. Where RTG recycles maps, animations, and visual assets they make up for in both the writing, both the goofy & the serious, as well as adding more engaging side content. Like mechanically 0 & Kiwami are the same game BUT there's enough different going on in both their Kamurochos, both subtle & bombastic, that they feel distinct or at least distinct enough... if that makes sense?
Yakuza uses the same Hub, but it keeps building on that setting that the city feels as much of a character as the protagonists. We see Kamurocho Hills get built upon in Y2 and finally get finished in Y5, we see the Millenium Tower before it gets built in Y0, etc.
Yakuza games have (imho) engaging stories and if you ignore most of the side content they're not all that long either, which is a good thing.
I played Yakuza and AC Odyssey recently.
One has an utterly massive sprawling map that you can spend an hour running straight and not hit the end of the map. The other is a small hub where it takes about a minute to get from one end of the map to the other.
Guess which one felt like it had more content and was more enjoyable?
They became a major hit with like the 7th game so collectively it hasn't been in the limelight all that much I suppose. It also spent way more years to get there. Yakuza started on the PS2. AC started on the PS3. There are way more Mario games than AC games, but with one major 3d platformer or so per console generation I think very few people feel it's too much.
And besides all that, not everyone out there are making Yakuza-like games lol. Ubisoft-style open worlds are huge and everywhere. Yakuza-style open worlds are like what, just them and shenmue and deadly premonition.
You know what? I realised I haven't played a single asscreed game since asscreed 3. After the end of Desmond's story, I was like "ok I'm done here." and haven't regretted that decision even now.
Killing Desmond was the dumbest idea...
for what its worth, Black Flag absolutely fucking slaps
I actually stopped because I heard 3 was kinda bad, figured I'd just sit it out, maybe wait for it to go on sale. But then that happened with literally every subsequent game and I stopped caring a decade ago.
Who's the jackass that thought you shouldn't be able to assassinate people in the game assassin's creed, because the magic number floating over their head was too thick, was a good idea?
@@wolflance64 There was so much potential with what they could've done with Desmond. We could've gotten a modern era asscreed with Desmond as a protag start to finish.
Yeah, you should definetly check out Black Flag.
You know Pat is having a good time when he throws his head back and pats his belly like a seal
You could say it's his SEAL of approval
How do you think he got his name?
@@HannibalBeerus73 loooooool certainly not because his name is Patrick. That is just a coincidence! A "happy accident" some would say
You almost made me choke on my food, your comment sidelined me
You know he’s having a good time when he thinks people don’t want what they’ve been asking for for years
Woolie and Pat, say goodbye to Franchise Fatigue, say hello to Franchise Apathy!
That part that Pat talks about with once being really into the series and then just not caring anymore is very relatable. I used to collect all the games and be heavy into the lore, but at some point it just kept going and going that I didn't care anymore. That's what happens when you milk an interesting idea to death. I'll still acknowledge my love for Black Flag, but that's about it.
Pokemon fans have been doing this for 20 years
From one to the Ezio collection I adored. I played Syndicate and Origins and I loved the stories of those, but Odyssey lost it for me.
I remember wondering why they gave you the option to be male or female in Odyssey when Cassandra is the canon character, then I realized we reached the point where the protagonist’s gender is a concern, which is just something I hate thinking about. I don’t care what’s between their pants I just want them to be a good character.
Imagine in a parallel universe where DMC got a new game every year for 20 years. Somehow, I think even the most diehard fan would have their own wackywoohoo-pizza-man limit.
Mf I was a dumb kid who bought an ass creed sweater, and even I fell off that shit real quick
@@tylerlackey1175 To be fair, Pokemon has the 1000+ monsters for you to attach yourself (despite many being just reskins of previous mons) and each Gen has a couple unique elements and mechanics exclusive to them, that make each Gen feel unique. AC games just felt the same for ages now, with the only notable entries I can fondly remember being II (great story), Black Flag (amazing game about pirates) and Origins (first title in 10 years that dare to change the formula a bit more drastically).
they did their damndest to avoid a modern-day assassin creed because not only would they need to endcap the narrative but they'd also have to evolve the stealth assassination system for modern combat. they'd have to do third-person dishonored but more intense and they CANT be bothered
even when we want innovation the second problem of said innovation being ground so far into the dirt it's as if it's from 3 gens ago comes up. like nothing is given room to breath
I always thought watch dogs was their excuse of modern day AC especially with how they made them share the same universe with Aiden killing that one abstergo boss from Black Flag
Ghost of Tsushima is already “Assassin’s Creed in Japan.” But like…actually really awesome…
Personally I'm struggling to get through it myself, it's a gorgeous game but overall very boring. It's the same gameplay pattern every time with the same enemies throughout the entire thing.
@@alexanderson4497 Yeah, that’s why I’m comparing it to AC. I hadn’t played any other AC games for like a decade before I played Ghost of Tsushima, so it wasn’t boring enough to put me off. I just think it’s the best version of the AC formula by far. It’s also probably the most beautiful game I’ve ever played in terms of graphics lol. Most actual AC games are pretty awful compared to it
I love how Ghost of Tsushima pretty much allows you to play as a honor bound samurai or my preferred method, a ninja, picking off my enemies one by one, like a Ghost. The game pretty much makes a conflict over thise playstyles due to the setting. I also love exploring and the side stories. It will take some time to get into though, because it has slow-paced moments, but i personally didn't mind it. Plus you can pet foxes
Media companies never learn the golden rule. "Don't treat your brand as an endless content generator."
Gotta tend to it like a garden, not mine it like an ore deposit
Works for Nintendo
@@ATMOSK1234 no it doesn't lol
@@rat8294 I think we found the bruh who only plays Fire Emblem.
Valhalla printed 1 billion dollars.
Talk about a sick asf concept for a video game being run to the ground until all that’s left is this shell of a thing that is so desperate to win back it’s jaded fans.
I’m also done with AC.
Yeah, fuck Animal Crossing.
I wish I could be but I unironically love everything preodessy. Farcry has been filling that hole, would be pretty happy with a new PoP too
@@TheKnizzine The latest Far Cry was pretty ass sadly.
The fuck’s your problem with Armored Core pal?! You wanna fight? Cause those are some fighty words your sayin! As we speak I’m sending a top Lynx to your current position to rain hellfi- Oh you meant AssCreed. Boy this is embarrassing.
We’ve been done with asscreed for many years.
No we haven't
Full stop.
Valhalla made one billion dollars. Gamers suck slop like no one else.
Yes you have
Ass Creed is the only ongoing franchise I can think of that still feels like it’s stuck in the 7th gen
That absolutely hit it in the head. It feels like a game we played ten years ago
Even Pokémon feels different
@FTLghost Hey now don't get too crazy here
At least the old ones didn't need to pad the play time with 40 hours of filling skill trees and crafting upgrades, I wish we were stuck back in the 7th gen when there wasn't enough RAM to handle all that excessive bullshit.
Maybe it's because the DIDN'T FINISH THE STORY THEY STARTED.
Revelations was the perfect ending point for the franchise. Shame it didn’t end there
Black Flag was very worth it. But then again, maybe that game would have been even better if it wasn't attached to the AC branding.
@@emptilion I don't think it really suffered. Edward's Arc is not really tied down to the AC-elements and still works on its own.
@@leithaziz2716 I admit I like the cynical abstergo games angle
@@leithaziz2716 Oh yeah, some bad pacing and boring trips to Abstergo aside, the story is completely fine even with the assassin stuff. But I do think the game would have maybe been slightly better if it was its own thing. At the very least so we could have skipped out on the Abstergo stuff. But all in all, black flag is awesome. Peak of the series for me.
@@emptilion I'm pretty sure Black Flag was it's own thing before the stretch happened.
Pat people have been wanting the series go back to this style of gameplay for a while.
Yeeep.
This is a real "There's dozens of us!" moment.
Who are these "people" and why do they have 0% presence on the internet despite apparently being everywhere?
Yeah but what we see in that trailer is clearly a created character. And this means Ubi still don't give a shit about telling a story with that franchise.
Also, it's MINDBLOWING that they're going back to the Middle East despite the fact that the most obvious fan favorite potential locations are all in Asia.
AssCreed was at its best when you could be a silly guy during the pettiest time in italian history.
Woolie absolutely ROCKING the Guido drip.
read that as guldo at first was real confused
@@dippycord1678 the voldo drip
honestly looks like hes wearing a dominos pizza box
Patt and not knowing what the fuck he's talking about, name a more iconic duo.
The entire Classic AC Community has been asking for a return to form for AC.
The fact that Mirage is set in Bagdad was legitimatly a pleasant welcome surprise.
That doesn't make the formula any less repetitive
@@nolanlehman6392 Sure but i could say the same about any fighting game franchise ever made. Your point is redundant because people that still like the classic AC games from 1 to Revelations still want a return to that. And who are we to sneer at them. Let people enjoy that.
The whole "Watch Dogs is Assassin's Creed in the modern world" thing is especially hilarious because it's literally true. Somone you meet in thr modern day sections of Assassin's Creed Black Flag is actually killed by the main character of the first Watch Dogs during one of that game's missions. It's literally the same world, but in Watch Dogs, you're usually fighting aginst the Templars or some Templar adjacent force without knowing about them. In fact, Intbink one of the characters you can recruit (Inthink via DLC) to be a part of your gang in Watch Dogs Legion is literally a memeber of the Assassin order.
It's kinda insane that they could decrease the game's length to
Remember when Pat and Matt both really liked Origins and Odyssey for those exact reasons stated and then they never actually beat those games?
AC: Brotherhood is still my favorite multiplayer experience ever, and that might be they only thing they could do to bring me back in.
I really stuck with the assassin's Creed series up to the last four or five years and I kept having this problem where they'd introduced a move where you can grab ledges and walls while you're falling in one game and left it out of the following games. But i was playing them with such frequency that i never forgot about it and kept falling purposely so i can get lower quickly and grab a ledge the last second to only die or take serious damage.
That honeslty is one of the weirder things... I can understand if the character cant make the move becuase they didnt learn it yet ... but im pretty sure we had something similar happen in Ezio betwen 2 and Brotherhood... he had a move that allowed him to leap up a wall pretty high (something he learn in Venice) but in Brotherhood we cant do that for some reason and need to buy an item from Leo to be able to do that again.
@@peterwhite6415 It's cause Ezio gets injured and he's getting old, so you have to buy a harness/brace. And you can get it fairly early. What the other guy is talking about is using the hookblade to catch ledges, which never came back after Brotherhood.
More buff women is their only hope
Well they are fucked then because they are too cowardly to put them on the cover lmao.
And even that stops working if Gearbox is anything to go by
Brotherhood was peak and everything else was chasing that dragon.
Absolutely true. Though I always liked what Revelations did as far as the Desmond stuff. And I am half-interested in seeing if going more AC 1 style works out, because I like how that game is different.
Black Flag and Rogue were both excellent, and Unity had the fun co-op I'd say fter that was the start of the slide downwards.
@@LeeONardo Unity had one of the worst launches bug wise though.
It's not like they are "getting better' it is more that their standards and direction are getting worse.
Black Flag is still my favorite. In fact, I can easily recommend that one as a one-off game you can just play without worrying about playing the other ones.
Beating Brotherhood again rn. Man that gameplay is so much smoother but this story really is a whole buncha nothing
I always felt that Assassins Creed went against a sort of series 'promise' made by the first game. To be fair, I never made it past brotherhood, feeling like AC2 went the FFXIII route ballooning into 3 games. I thought each game would work its way up through the timeline, teaching Desmond all the assassin skills he needed, improving and introducing new game mechanics along the way. Then we would get a cool conclusion where we no longer needed the animas and were taking down the templars in the future setting of the series.
That was the hope/promise. Much like Desmond himself, it is long dead.
I love how woolie is fully done with assassin's Creed and ubi/square enox but he's definitely going to full play games with the quality of Andromeda and anthem, and that's just going alphabetically
0:22 The return of Woolie the Liar
On the off chance Mirage ends up being good, it’ll be the first good, real AC game we’ve had since Black Flag…Cautiously, perhaps foolishly optimistic
Matt and Pat both seemed to really like Origins and Odyssey, especially Odyssey with the amount of weeks they talked about it. But then they never beat either of those games
I feel like people's opinion on which Assassin's Creed game is the best is entirely determined by the order they came out in. So many people love 2 because the ubi formula hadn't been beaten to death yet, but there's nothing that actually sets it apart from the later games in terms of how it uses that formula. The only real exception here is Black Flag, which people really like for the part of the game that isn't Assassin's Creed.
Razbuten made a video where he talked about going back to AC2, a game he loved back in the day and thought had something that made it stand out from the other games Ubi later made due to the positive reception it had.
After replaying it, he realised that it shared all the game design choices that people mock Ubi for nowadays, it was just that during that time it was the only game with that formula, which made it more novel and stand out. And yeah, the things that make Black Flag still worth playing today are the things that make it distinct from other Ubi games. The sailing, pirate setting, focus on a cast of characters that aren't assassins, etc. The things that you see people critiscise 4 on are stuff like tailing or stealth missions, which are Ubi mission design 101.
What should be mentioned is that Watch Dogs and Far Cry are canonically in the Assassins Creed universe. So the list is even bigger.
"no one has ever asked for that"
SOOOO many people were asking for that. Assassin's creed went to a generic non committal rpg slop and only got worse since origins. A large portion of the community wanted an AC game that's actually about assassin's, parkour, stealth, etc.
Whether mirage is any good is one thing, but I have to disagree with going back to the original concept of the series being a bad idea.
Jesus that thumbnail is hilarious!
Also its so funny since I was burnt out after Brotherhood and much like Woolie I realized I needed more than a break and never looked back.
I played Odyssey over lockdown and had a great time with it, probably because I'd stopped at Brotherhood a decade ago. Really tried to get into Valhalla because I live in England and wanted to see what certain bits of it looked like a thousand years ago but DEAR LORD it was a slog.
Exactly my experience.
"Proud to live in the city that invented asscreed" LOL
Ghost of Tsushima was so damn good because it was an open world game that took steps to not feel like an open world game. The way the map worked and following stuff like the wind or foxes instead of markers and even small things like rephrasing quests as Tales just helped the immersion and made you forget that you were playing a Sony published AC game. I am not as harsh on Ubi as most and have enjoyed a lot of their releases even recently buying and enjoying a fair few of their games on sale the last few years but I genuinely don't feel they're up to the task of doing AC Japan. Making it hit as hard as my boi Jin taking apart an invaded Tsushima one kunai at a time just doesn't seem doable
I personally think it's just as boring, and couldn't stand more than a couple of hours, unfortunately.
I don't even think GoT's really all that good, it's just the best Assassin's Creed game to have come out in over a decade. I really, really like the combat especially on Lethal difficulty so it's a personal 9/10 for me, but objectively speaking I completely agreed with GameSpot's 7/10 review that pissed a bunch of people off at the time. That combat was what I wanted from For Honor in a proper single player adventure without being needlessly obtuse and "Japan-jank" for lack of a better term like I found the Souls games to be, I have very few gripes about Tsushima that I don't have for the industry in general right now. I'm also one of the four people who liked Sekiro more than any other FromSoft game so I'm quite possibly just a rambling madman.
@@hornmonk3zit Nah, I heard someone call Sekiro 'the Tenchu sequel we never got', so liking that has a sensible reason.
Closest I've come to thinking about asscreed lately has been wanting to go back and play 3 again. Because it was my first asscreed and it's always elicited very comfy feelings from me, though that comes entirely from how I made a habit of getting lost in it and being like, 13 at the time.
Aside from that, hasn't been a blip on the radar aside from watching people make fun of Unity in 2016.
I was watching the showcase with friends on VC and without a word as soon as the trailer started we all stood up and went to take a piss or something to eat
Honestly Watch Dogs 2 is one of my guilty pleasure games. its no masterpiece but the tone , the gameplay and the world just contributes to making it super fun for me
Watch Dogs 2 is a lot like AC 2, in that it finds a style that blends well with the gameplay. I adore both. And boy do I despise what both have transformed into.
I like the first to watch dogs they had a cool aethsetic and hacking was fun shame about legion
Watch Dogs 2 is a legitimately solid game. I can see folks having a problem with it if they played like every Ubi game before that, but for someone like me who just picks and chooses, it felt fresh and cool
Watch dog 2 kinda slaps ngl
It really took yall this long to realize this? I dipped out at 3 and never felt the urge to continue. Maybe i might replay 1 or the ezio trilogy again to scratch the nostalgia itch, but thats about it
I... Actually did want to return to the Hashashin like in AC1. Mostly because that's the most historically real time period for the games, and I thought it was the coolest aside from Black Flag. Granted, more than that I wanted a Japan or China game.
erm...! no you didn't, the games suck you see, nobody likes them! >:-(
Unfortunately that'd require them to have put more thought into it than not at all
When i was in college there was a dude in my class with the Assassin’s Creed logo tattooed on the back of his neck. He already regretted it because of AC3. This was like ten years ago. I wonder how much he regrets it now
It was funny to me hearing this, I thought mostly the same thing when i saw the reveal, like oh they aren't changing anything/nothing in this game will surprise me
the thing with Assassin's Creed, is that it actually hasn't been about Assassins or assassination for the last 7 years, those intricate parkour mechanics with there roots in Prince Of Persia are largely gone in favour of something more like BOTW, social stealth, the mechanics based around hiding in plain sight by blending in with crowds, are largely gone or bastardized. all so they could follow the trends of open-world RPGs like the Witcher 3, you haven't even played as an Assassin since Origins and a very large portion of the fanbase does actually want a back to roots game cause they want a stealth game actually about assassins instead of an action RPG about "insert historical role, here", it's a series that slowly lost all identity overtime and Mirage is advertising itself as a return to that identity
The issue with Assassin's Creed was always when they stretched it out the first time when 3 came out. Then they realized they didn't know what they were doing and they stretched it out even more to the point where i don't even remember what the main plot is anymore.
I'll never forget when I felt the series fatigue second hand from some friends lmao. They were the biggest AC fans and would always tell me about the story and how the characters were related and the fan theories and blah blah blah and then a new game came out and they didn't do the usual speil. I was like, did you play the new AC? They go, "oh, yeah, I have it, I'll get through it eventually." 😂 whichever the native American guy game was was the last one they touched lmao.
I respectfully disagree with Pat. The majority of the fanbase have been begging for a classic style creed game for over five years. Mirage purely exists to appeal to those fans. After that, it’s going back to the RPG formula, so if anything this’ll be the final game for a good portion of the fanbase (myself included).
was in Pat's chat at the reveal and I also thought it was a remake from 1, hee even people in chat who know the series weren't sure if it was new or not, it's kinda crazy
that Black Flag was pretty fun to hang out in. i played 1,2,3 (not 3), skipped the 2 before Black Flag- then never had any desire to return.
I thought everyone jumped on that train by the time Syndicate came out
My relationship with Assassin's Creed is a rough one, cause on paper it should be my favourite series in fiction. Covering different historical periods, conspiracy theory style writing that's hidden in lore entries and you basically play as a ninja. They even cover some of my favourite historical periods like Victorian London, Ancient Greece and the American Revolution. But i have never even finished one.
Every single Ubisoft game (because they are all the same) drags on and on. To date the only ones i finished are Watch Dogs 1 and Far Cry 5 which tbf i really enjoyed both, but i think i got my permanent fill of Ubisoft slop. The closest I ever came beyond these were the two Ghost Recon open world games, but Wildlands was probably the worst of this Ubisoft bloat I've ever seen with the 50+ samey lieutenants. The only reason i bothered with Breakpoint is cause DatAsuna recommended it to me while it was on sale and i could turn off gear score. Once again i enjoyed Breakpoint... For about 10 hours of the 100+ hours.
At this point I think the only way I could be interested in a new non Siege Ubisoft game is if the IP was sold to another dev who understands pacing, not outsourced by Ubisoft, straight up the new devs OWN the IP. But that'll never happen so i guess I'm also done.
One can only climb so many Ubitowers.
And the thing is, I was looking at that trailer saying "this is very similar to AC1 it but with slightly better graphics, to the point that I almost sure this is a prequel to AC 1 and the main character is probably the antagonist of the first game"
We probably wouldn't be sick of AssCreed if it weren't for the back to back releases.
It all started out with AssCreed2 when Ezio was so popular in the community that they made Brotherhood as a spin-off game that eventually made into canon. Revelations also didn't help since its just 1 standard city with Brotherhood's base management tacked on. Though at the time, we didn't notice it because we were having fun with Ezio.
AssCreed 3 was then announced with it being set during the American Revolution and we play a native that can parkour over trees. Setting was nice, the addition to tree parkour was also interesting, its just that they introduced the hunting side objectives and the game forces us to skin the animals because Connor wouldn't just kill an animal and leave it as it goes against his native beliefs. I believe this is when the fatigue is getting noticeable. But what we didn't expect was the naval combat that became insanely more popular than the base game, so of course UBI had to capitalize on it and make an entire game around naval combat, which is where Black Flag is, which kinda rekindled the spark for the franchise.
Ideas for then next game would be thrown around, and the twist in 3's beginning where we were actually playing as a templar assassin, became the plot for AssCreed 5 Rogue, an assassin hunting other assassins. Sure it still has naval combat, and takes place around the same time as 3's epilogue...but that's where the fatigue sets in again.
Unity gets announced and had an abysmal release due to bugs but the memes live on. Basically nothing noteworthy was added to the game. Syndicate's twist is that we have 2 player characters each with different abilities for assassination... This would be something, if we didn't play Arkham City 4 years prior.
They gave us Origins, which overhaul the entire fighting mechanic of the game to something similar to any other RPG game...and worse of all, they give us the thing that MMOs are dreaded for, a Loot Table to give us random equipment. Though looking through a literal bird for Eagle Vision was nice, it would have been better if it weren't a major game mechanic from Far Cry Primal.
Odyssey is just Origins that is more polished, with a more blatant MMO angle with being able to buy EXP boosters for a single player game.
Valhalla is a nice change of pace, with the player being able to use a wide variety of weapons in combat, but it had long abandoned the "Assassin" identity of the franchise and is only living up to it in name only.
All of that, and they killed the Main Character of the series at the end of Ass Creed 3. Desmond might be a whiny b*tch in the 1st game, but he grew on us in 2 and Brotherhood. I understand that we had Desmond for 5 games already and they had to wrap up his story somehow, but could they have wrapped it up with William Miles, Shaun and Rebecca...but nope we are stuck with them even after Desmond's heroic sacrifice.
Makes you long for the original planned trilogy where Desmond and Lucy becoming the new Adam and Eve on a Space Ship with other survivors after the Solar Flare destroys earth.
Ghost of tsushima pretty much negated the ac in japan itch for a good chunk of people i imagine, so ubisoft has even less to entice with
Yeah Tsushima definitely invalidated Ubi's "break glass in case of emergency" game they could've had there. They should've broken that glass after the British or Co-op France one honestly, it's been nothing but stinkers since Black Flag.
There is a big section of the fanbase that wanted a return to the older style of gameplay that’s less RPG based, but I’m sure they didn’t want it in the most overused setting in the franchise.
Am I going insane or what, there's like 2 games in the middle east in the series. being set in the colonial period and up is way more overused.
That wss my first thought when looking at Mirage, because alot of people wanted an India and China due to chronicles giving people side scrolling games.
woolie good job for taking out the poyo
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The thing with Mirage is they are trying to win back the 1-3/ Syndicate fans that havent had a game they like since maybe the France game 10 years ago.
For me, Black Flag/Rogue and Syndicate are the ones I love the most. But yeah its crazy that AC is not only suffering from series fatigue but also the fact that at this rate, there's no point in trying to understand what the hell is going on in the Modern Day story. Totally lost their way with the story after the Observatory storyline went nowhere really after Black Flag/Rogue.
Yeah, imagine if each assassins creed had a 3-4 year life cycle instead.
Hell, even if you simply took multiple of the existing game's and combine them into single massive games that would be much preferred.
Mechanical that wouldnt be too simple but im sure that would be no issue if it was done from the ground up.
I believe I dropped off after Brotherhood. That multiplayer mode was SO much fun
I definitely agree with Woolie that I'm just beyond caring about Assassin's Creed at this point, but Pat saying nobody asked for this is so far off the base. Since Unity I've seen people begging, constantly, for the series to return to its roots in almost this exact way. It's too late. I don't think anybody wants it now. But people WANTED this. They just course corrected years and years too late. Classic AC fans moved on. They hooked a new generation of people who like the gear stats and Not-Witcher dialogue system. I think going back now just risks losing those people too.
I played AC1 back in the day, then kind of forgot to go back to the series for a solid decade until Odyssey came out and got good reviews. I jumped into that and REALLY liked it, even while acknowledging that it was VERY different, and clearly flawed. I lived in the world Pat described, where most of the franchise doesn't exist. And let me tell you, watching Valhalla double down on everything excessive and bloated about Odyssey did not fill me with enthusiasm to buy another one. They're too big, and there are just too many of them.
I only played 2 and Syndicate, and much like Pat said, I had a great time because I didn't have to deal with the fatigue of this being what, the NINTH time I'd had to play that kind of game in eight year? What a nightmare following that franchise must have been.
Its like I said for basically since I played the crew like 4 or 5 years ago, it's just Assassins creed but taking the third person stealth mechanics out and supplementing them with different ones
Can Pat ever be nuanced about anything? There are plenty of people, from what I've seen on places like Reddit, who have absolutely been asking for a return to pre Origins style AC.
It's not what I necessarily want but it's so frustrating listening to Pat do no research and confidently (and incorrectly) declare that no one wants something people have been asking for quite a lot.
That's just Pat but yeah, ever since Origins, folks have been asking to a return to the old style of AC.
Yeah I could definitely use another setting but I'm just happy it's the classic style of gameplay. I've just considered the new ones a different franchise so to me it is like an old series coming back after almost a decade. The only question I have is if it's more like 1 to Revelations or 3 to the British one.
I think Pat is going with a viewpoint of someone who is big into gaming and has played a ton of the stuff that’s out there, whereas I’d say assassins creed has been a pretty casual focused game for years now. People like Pat have pretty much dismissed AC since Unity and haven’t kept up with it at all despite it still selling very well. It’s the equivalent of hearing him talk about the nuances of call of duty or battlefield.
I played Origins and have been out since and Mirage might actually get me back in if it’s the last hurrah of the classic style before the new live service whatevers of Japan and witch trial era US start up
Been done with it since Black Flag. Being a pirate, sailing and Edwards character were all very cool but the fatigue hit hard right after finishing 4.
Same. Altho the fatigue hit me halfway through 4 and I couldn't finish it. AC4 and Far Cry 3 were fine games that I wish were half as long...
Then Ubi$oft suddenly decided that people didn't want Assassin's Creed for a game and a half.
Pat nailed it on the head we wanted 3 thngs and we haven't gotten any.
Congrats, you reached the point I reached after beating Black Flag. Which I enjoyed a lot but I didn't need any more. I got Rogue for like 5 bucks, still havent played it.
No one really liked him at the time, but now we realize the franchise needed Desmond because he was the core point that connected the games and made us give a shit.
yeah. With Desmond being removed from the narrative the games kinda lost their reasons to exist, because nothing really gets solved at the end. The McGuffin of the week stays a thing everytime, and we know that nothing really deviates from "real" history in the AC universe till we hit the modern age. And that is what bugged me about every ACs narrative after AC3: all of the games, from a story perspective, achieved nothing, because they didn't change anything in the overall plot of the series.
They really should've just ended Desmonds part in the story with the templars in AC3, and then maybe establish a new story thread we could've played along in upcoming games if they really wanted to continue it with more room upwards creatively.
@@EnerKaizer They kinda did that with Black Flag then refused to follow up after
Nah the kind of game they advertise Mirage to be is what a shitton of the fanbase wanted ever since the RPG saga began.
Same here, I loved the style of gameplay and vibe that earlier Assassins Creeds offered up until Unity. Of course Black Flag also was fairly a departure but I still felt the spirit was somewhere in there.
Thing is they most likely won't be able to stick the landing in the way the fans actually want it to. Parkour, stealth mechanics, overall atmosphere, ways of hunting down targets need to be massively improved. While they haven't been perfect in the past, they were much more engaging than whatever we got since Syndicate onwards.
Hell, if Mirage somehow actually gets there, I'll give it a shot through the seven seas. But I won't hold my breath. The minds that "got" what made Assassins Creed special have all left.
what we've seen kind of looks like a Valhalla DLC so far so my hopes for it being a proper return to form are pretty small
Asscreed 2 and Ezio saga added a lot to the franchise. Mirage looks a step back from that... then a few more steps back... then out the door and into the parking lot
I feel like they kind of shot themselves in the foot with the newer games because one of the things the early games prided themselves on was being in settings that don't tend to pop up a lot in other games (Renaissance Italy was an *inspired* choice back in the day) and they slowly started to drift towards settings that appear a whole lot in other games such as ancient Greece.
3D Open world games for the longest time were once considered to be special and difficult to produce due to the resources and complexity needed to make them. Asscreed is impressive in how it manages to make vast open game worlds fucking boring and trite. That's impressive in its own way.
I was pretty much taped out on AC after 3, but Black Flag was really good, so i tried Syndicate later, but it felt...ok, then i got Origins on sale years later liking it. But as much as I like Cassandra in Odyssey, there's no way I'll ever finish that game, so I've been done since then.
Like most things they come from Ubisoft, its wasted potential slowly driven into the ground. I'm beginning to believe we stopped getting Splinter Cells because those games stood out too much from the generic Ubislop of mechanics we get today from them.
I am convinced that if they could figure out how to make a splinter cell game happening in one city, we would be getting a new release every other year.
@@victorwagner2423 I think they just forgot how to make linear games period. Which is extra sad because logistically linear games should be far easier to produce. The Ubisoft of the early 00s was good at making them.
I remember dropping asscreed during 3 cause i hated what they did woth the controls. Glad I didn't miss anything
I liked Watch Dogs 2 but I still had to play through the Ubiworld to get to the part where I got the powers I wanted like the Blackout ability, it’s a fun ability and useful but it took so long for me to unlock that ability
1:52 that is exactly what everyone asked for Pat
Never been able to make it all the way through an Assman's Creed game.
2:05 Asscreed's lifestyle determines its deathstyle
holy sht that lag in the beginning lol
The best part is Ubisoft's likely *dreading* the develolment Asscreed Japan since they dragged their feet long enough for Sucker Punch to make one instead and casually blow out the asshole of every Assassin's Creed game before it.
That one guy that tried to call pat out about him exaggerating how many games there is must have drowned in ass ass in creed xD
If it weren't for the ungodly amount of pointless collectibles I would say Black Flag was the last AC game I really truly enjoyed, probably because the pirate aspect was fresh enough to differentiate it idk
There were a lot of people that was like"i miss the old style games" when the last 3 came out.
I already forgot they accounted AC: Mirage. I watched that showcase live and I already forgot.
I can't believe there was a time where I said "I love the Assassin's Creed series". At this point, if I ever feel like playing another AC game, I'll just go into the past and pick one I didn't bother playing when they came out. There's literally no reason to buy a new one when I have access to like six games in the series that I didn't play when they all pretty much play the same.
U right tho u right (immediately kills self out of distain for any rpg that's first person comparing itself to ac)
"I lied" -Woolie
They have been referencing a Mayan/Aztech setting since the first game and we've never gotten anything from it.
Black Flag is the only AssCreed game I’ve ever played, and I loved sailing so much I bought the technology pack, fully upgraded my ship, and conquered every fort! I ended up softlocking the game before I met Blackbeard.
The sailing in that game was phenomenal. No Skull and Bones has been hugely disappointing.
Black Flag is the most "non-AC" AC game, and yeah, the sailing was great. That's probably the only AC game I would recommend even today as it still feels fresh in some aspects.
It's time for Armored Core to take the 'AC' back.
Assassin's creed 3 has the dubious honor, for me, of being the first game that I played as a relative child where I thought to myself, "huh, this is just really not fun". Loved Revelations, loved Black Flag, but for the rest of my life when I think of a game that is unfun, my first thought will be Ass 3
Watch Dogs 2 still blows my mind how excellently they improved on the first one. Definitely the best stealth game Ubi ever made. I still love going back to it
Counting the spin-offs and mobile games, there have been nearly 30 Assassin’s Creed games released in 16 years.
This is like being caught in itachi’s genjutsu but instead of finding out we have only been here for 1 min, we found out we are on assassin’s creed 6 out of 19
AssCreed is the one fucking franchise that needs to be a live service.
Just make one big one and have updates for the new regions and time periods.
there are almost as many AssCreeds as there are Call of Dukey, all they have to do is start releasing reboots with the same title as if they're were a continuation of what little story was being told.