As many viewers have noted, i was incorrect in saying that Junior Wireless Operator Harold Bride perished in the sinking. In fact, Bride survived and passed away in 1956. I apologize for the error.
Well, we are human……. And I for one never thought I’d find any mistakes by the history guy. I love what you do and enjoy every one of them!!!!!! For a brief moment today, my head swelled up where my hats didn’t fit for ……..30 seconds😂 Again, thank you for what you do!
@theHistoryGuyChannel This TH-cam documentary focuses on the actions and fates of the engineering crew, black gang, and electricians. Definitely deserves a watch. History deserves to be remembered, and so does this crew. th-cam.com/video/DCe0gq6OY_E/w-d-xo.htmlsi=5WouY3vRzz35D8KM
Every ship's Radio/Telegrapher- Signalman is called ''Sparks.'' Just as the Ship's Carpenter is called ''Chips,'' and [in the Age of Sail] the mate who wrangled the ship's poultry and livestock, was called ''Jemmy Ducks.''
Thank you for this. My great-uncle, Fred Simmons, was lost on Titanic. He was a steward in First Class, 27 yrs old and married with a 5 month old son. He and his shipmates are seldom remembered outside of their families, and now even those memories are fading with the passing of generations.
From C. Pelligrino, "Ghosts of the Titanic": At midnight, Designer Andrews told the electricians that the ship was doomed. They said they would stay as long as they could. So the wireless had power, and the electric davits lowered the lifeboats, and the lights stayed on. Then, at 0215 when the final plunge began, the lights went out ... Then, many witnesses, the lights came back on -- because the Engineers were still at their posts, still doing their jobs.
The Welin davits were manually operated by the crew using good old fashioned manpower to work the cranks and lower the lifeboats, there was no electricity involved at all. The Titanic's younger sister ship, Britannic, did have electric powered davits that were big enough to reach from one side of the ship to the other, and had their own independent back up power supply if the main power went out.
I became a Titanic nerd when I was just 5 or 6 years old, before the movie came out. So for the last 3 decades I have always wondered why the crew of the Titanic has been seemingly forgotten despite their unquestionable heroic actions. Even the captain gets wrongly portrayed as being subpar despite no evidence to support such a characterization. The crew weren’t just victims that fateful night, they became victims of history being rewritten for our superficial entertainment. Therefore, I must thank you for shining some light on these heroic people who saved far more lives than otherwise would have been saved by a less capable crew. “Greater love havth no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends”
small correction: harold bride did actually survive the sinking and provided some of the best information we have about that night. highly recommend reading his april 19th account to the new york times. still an excellent video!
Thank you for remembering the crew of the doomed liners. They deserve to be remembered, yet !re all too often forgotten. Thank you so much for uploading.
@@jamesturner2126I hate to burst your bubble but none of the firemen were trapped below in the first hour of the sinking. Each water tight compartment had a latter escape route, and those water tight doors did not close gently like seen in the movie. After closing 9/10 in a slow fashion as seen in the move, the last 1/10 of the closing was done suddenly by gravity, slamming them shut so as to break anything that might be obstructing the door from closing completely. This makes this scene utter nonsense, there was zero reason to try and rush through the closing doors, in fact their training strictly forbid such a dangerous move. The real nail biting aspect of what the engine crew managed to pull off that night is not depicted at all in the 1997 film. However, it is the main focus of the docudrama “Saving the Titanic: Bravery and Sacrifice” which can be found on TH-cam to watch for free.
@@James-zg2nl Its like the difference between the Houston we have a problem scene in Apollo 13 when you listen to the original recordings they are totally cool calm and collected as if they are still in the simulator.
12:46 The boy selling the papers was Ned Parfett. He is stood outside the offices of the White Star Line at Oceanic House, Cockspur Street. He enlisted in the British Army in 1916, in the Royal Field Artillery as a despatch rider. Later he was reassigned to the Quartermasters Department. Awarded the Military Medal he was killed in an artillery bombardment on 29th October 1918. RIP
I always wondered who he was and sad he died so young. Now when i see him i will not forget, as he must be edged in peoples minds with that horrible tragedy that happened. Holding that news paper I am not kidding. I saw his face again on april 22 2024 thinking who is he? RIP TO ALL THE LOST SOULS.
Harold Bride survived. He died in 1956. He did go down with the ship, but managed to get on board the overturned lifeboat that Lightoller was on. His feet got frostbite. On the Carpathia he helped send messages from the survivors to their families etc.
My father once met the Second Officer of Titanic. My father who was born in 1915 was taken by his father (my grandfather) to St. Albans, England sometime in the late 1920's or the early 1930's to purchase a mastiff from Charles Lightoller the second officer and senior surviving officer of Titanic. To my knowledge the sinking was not discussed. In the summer of 2017 I was in Fairview Lawn Cemetery, Halifax, Nova Scotia and saw the plot where 121 of the Titanic dead were buried including J. Dawson. Very sobering.
@@g.t.richardson6311 My father was also a Dunkirk veteran being taken off late in the evacuation. I have the breach pin from the 25 pounder artillery piece his team had to destroy before they left.
I loved Cameron’s Titanic, especially as a kid, but have always hated the way that First Officer Murdoch was depicted in it, as in him passively taking a bribe, and then shooting himself. In actuality, Murdoch saved the most lives by doing the best job filling up the lifeboats on his side of the ship.
Cheers, glad someone was here to correct the record. I always hated the movie for its lies regarding real people, despite also loving it for its entertainment value.
I have always hated Cameron's Titanic (I hope the iceberg comes early). I have thought a great person to be the central focus of a Titanic movie would be Violet Jessup.
He picked eyewitness accounts to use in the film and and people cherry pick which eyewitness accounts they choose to believe. People don't like that he had J. Bruce Ismay pressuring Captain Smith to keep the speed up. But there was a survivor who says she overheard that conversation. People have just chosen to brand her a liar.
@@MakerInMotion you need to look deeper into the claim of Ismay pressuring the captain to go faster. It does not fit into the context of the ship’s sailing capabilities, it was never designed for speed and the captain actually diverted course to try and avoid the reported ice fields on the main transatlantic route. Therefore, even if you take the inaccurate movie version of the conversation, the captain clearly ignored Ismay. Which means brings to the 2 inaccuracies of these eye witnesses accounts you base your comment on. 1) Ismay openly admitted, during both inquiries, that the alleged conversation did indeed take place but the witness mischaracterized the substance of the conversation. Ismay was expressing concerns that the ship had yet to be fully tested on the voyage in regards to having all boilers lit and at full pressure for sustained period of time. This obviously leads to a ship going pretty fast, but given the diverted course and the fact that 3 days in they only just then lit the last boilers speed was not at all in consideration. Furthermore, the captain actually ordered the ship to slow down that evening just before departure for his stateroom, the movie leaves this out because it, and leaving out the course deviation, undermines the smear campaign the movie takes on the captain. He conducted himself, and the ship, to the best practices of the day that were widely accepted among all other competent captains of ocean liners. 2) the reports of the first officer shooting 2 people before killing himself with a shot to the head is not cooperated by anyone. Shots did indeed occur in that area, that is cooperated, but if a single person was hit with a bullet is only claimed by 1 witness. She also admits in her testimony that she cannot name a particular officer so the movie just assumes it was the first officer. However, he was not the only officer who had access to firearms and was in that particular area. The chief officer was also armed and just meters away from the first officer. There is no way to verify her account of passengers being shot or if an officer committing suicide, or which officer did it. In the vain of “innocent until proven guilty” having the movie blame it all on one particular hero of the night, with a long respected service, and no way to cooperate the witness this is based on is a petty shameful case of defamation, and the family of the first officer did indeed sue Camron over this: setting out of court for an undisclosed amount.
My great grandmother was a pupil at Northam Primary School in April 1912. According to her there was not a single class in the school without a child that had lost their father on Titanic. Later I would live in a house of a lost Titanic Crew member, a first-class steward, which has now got a black plaque above the front door to remember him.
I spent 25 years as a U.S. Mariner 10 in the Navy, 15 in the Merchant Marine. I always enjoyed being in Middle Management while on ship. As the Boatswain (Bo'sun) I had an exciting and comfortable position. When my ship ever made the news (collisions/allisions, groundings...) the news media and investigators always wanted to interview the Captain, Mate, and ship owner first. Most of the time they never bothered us "underlings". Yes, the "non-licensed crew" of any ship on this planet prior to the 1970's (SS Edmund Fitzgerald) was treated as low-life. Even the US Navy still refer to sailors on a ship as "Officers and Crew."
That's a good thing to point out. I remember well the sinking of the Edmund Fitzgerald November 10, 1975 in Lake Superior. 29 very brave men indeed. RIP.
BTW, I can recommend the 1958 film “A Night to Remember.” Several crew members get memorable cameos. My favorite is the stewardess who hasn’t donned her life jacket, because she doesn’t want the passengers to think she was scared.
The crew that stayed below deck to keep the lights on and keep the pumps running are the true heroes. They stayed at their posts knowing that they were going to die. Keeping the lights on was a big factor in launching the lifeboats. Rip to all that died but remember the crew that stayed at their post below deck.
And that is a part of history also, where by what is considered mundane and unimportant is ignored. Thank you for remembering those who gave all to save others. There have been no valor metals for them.
This was excellent! Thank you talking about the "forgotten" crew! It's sad that they've basically been "left out" of history! Their story certainly needs, "to be remembered!!"
Titanic was registered as mail ship, RMS meaning Royal Mail Ship. So in the eyes of the British government, delivering the mail was the priority. But yes, that thinking is abhorrent to me.
A distant relative Alfred John Alexander Podesta, was a Fireman on the Titanic and survived on Lifeboat 7. He was in the Grapes with the Slade brothers but he crossed the tracks ahead of the the train and made it to the gangway.
Always Titanic this and Titanic that, but this...this is paying respect to those who gave thier life getting others aboard, and not always shown in the best light by Hollywood. Thank you THG, well done, I can only hope a surviving family member sees this.
Thank you for covering this topic. While reading 'On a Sea of Glass' I printed a passenger and crew list and followed each story. Heartbreaking. One correction: Harold Bride survived. I believe on the overturned collapsible A or B; there are even photos of him being taken off of the Carpathia with his feet bound due to frostbite swelling.
Many thanks, I'm from Southampton and although there are memorials and plaque dotted around the city dedicated to the crew it will never be enough , actually if anyone is interested St Mary's church in Southampton had a beautiful new stained glass window fitted in 2018 in memory of the lost crew.
I read somewhere once upon a long time ago that more has been spent recreating the disaster in Motion Pictures than the cost of the ship and the price all the passengers paid combined. It always tickles me to think how often Titanic has sunk on film.
Phillips and Bride were employed by the Marconi company. Phillips perished; Bride survived. Were it not for Bride's survival and inquiry testimony, much of what we know about the tragedy would still be unknown.
A look at an overlooked aspect of a fascinating moment of history and, as always on this channel, very well-done. A quibble, however: Jack Philips, the junior wireless operator survived -- he and Harold Bride stayed with the ship until its literal last moment, Philips somehow finding a handhold on the overturned collapsable C lifeboat. Later, on board Carpathia, he assisted that ship's Marconi-men in sending messages to NYC. He enjoyed some fame for some time afterwards. And the sobriquet of "Sparks" was pretty much a generic one for wireless operators -- my dad went to sea as a marine telegrapher in 1926, and was, til the end of his life, known in some circles as "Sparks."
To add to that, the generic sobriquet is still used today. I take pride in having it attached to me at age 63 and still active, albeit on grey ships rather than on civilian ones.
Ok, History Guy... maybe a slight mistake. I think I've watched every Titanic film/doc ever produced... including all the esteemed histotians on TH-cam alone. Cannot tell you how much this piece moved me. You are a class act sir... & so many appreciate your efforts and excellence in your choices and production. Cheers!
Thank you HG for such a well rounded introduction to the crew - why some were onboard (and some weren't), the families and communities that were devastated by the losses... you create a very thorough retelling of these events that really brings them to life
@@stephenharris8579 And a memorial to the crew in the ruins of Holy Rood, a memorial to the postal workers inside the Civic Centre, the memorial to the lost passengers is just inside the docks at Dock Gate 4. There's also a memorial to Milvina Dean, the last survivor of the Titanic on the patch of grass just outside the Sea City Museum.
Accuracy was not much. Bell looked diffirent than In real life also engineer uniform had White pants instead of blue ones and in Boiler Room 6 was Assistant 2nd Engineer Harvey instead of 2nd Jr. Engineer Hesketh.
Thank you for another great video, I’m so glad to see you make a video on Titanic. If I may give a couple notes… The “fire” you mention wasn’t a fire at all but a smoldering combustion that was common in steamships at the time. The smoldering never produced flames and was eliminated, as per usual, by spraying the smolder with water and using the coal in that area first. Post-sinking stories aside, it’s unlikely any potential crew would have turned down a good job because of it. I’m glad you mentioned the a la carte restaurant staff. They were third party employees of a Ritz chef contracted by White Star. Neither crew nor passenger, they were truly in a tragic position. The story of them being locked in their rooms is probably a myth of yellow journalism, but they still deserve to be remembered.
Just returned from the Titanic Exhibition in Las Vegas on the heels of its’ anniversary. Very moving, phenomenal layout as well as the largest piece of the ship & the most recovered artifacts in one collection. The best part were the many stories of the crew members and other families. Thoroughly enjoyed this video. Thank you.
Thank you for honoring these men. I did see a documentary on the 100th anniversary of the sinking on PBS about the crewmembers who kept the lights on as long as possible.
Thank you for keeping the memory of these heroes alive. They were all forgotten except by those that loved them. Good catch regarding Harold Bride! You're dealing with a bunch of Titanic geeks, so bear with us. Bride was one of the TRUE heroes that survived the sinking. His survival story is amazing and he was one of the bravest men to sail on that ship come April 1912. Loved the video The History Guy.
This video shows the Quality of Character of the History Guy. Thank you for Remembering the lessor known people of History. Best Wishes from Montana! M.H.
When I was a kiddo I got to stay up for the Friday scary movie, April 14, 1967 it was A Night to Remember. Been fascinated ever since. Very well done, never knew the levels were so horrific. Brave men and women definitely deserve to be remembered.
I remember one commentator on a t.v. show saying that there were more people who claimed to be reincarnated lost passengers of the Titanic than the number of passengers lost on the Titanic.
Hearing about the people who kept the power on made me cry. I didn't expect that, but thank you for remembering them and helping us to remember them. I'm ashamed to admit I never thought of them before.
As a kid, mom had a copy of the book . The sinking of the Titanic and other great sea disasters. I didn't read it but looked at the pictures from the survivors in the lifeboats . I remember one where the ship broke in half and someone drew it. This book was published in 1921 I think it was. It also had stories of 4 other ships that perished at sea. I wish I had it today, unfortunatly it was lost many many years ago. If you like stories of sea disasters call a book dealer and see if there are any surviving copies or reprints.
Thanks for the history! We recently visited the Titanic Museum in Branson, MO. Very interesting. If you happen to go to Branson to see any of the many shows, take time time see this museum. It’s worth the time.
I watched an observation of the sinking of the Titanic last night and still it reminds one of all the lives that were affected by that event! So many brave, helpless and unlucky people who had no chance. My Dad, his mother, father and two sisters came to America in 1920 as third class passengers (who were legal immigrants) in November and I am so often reminded that they too could have been victims of a similar incident, but for the grace of GOD. THANK YOU FOR REMEMBERING THE CREW and their families!
Once again you are correct. A small, yet very long lasting and devastating, piece of HISTORY THAT DOES NEED TO BE REMEMBERED!! Just like very much of human history! Thanks Mr and Mrs History Guy & Gal. 😉 Thank you, your work will never be lost to history!! Thanks one more time for making history, only by remembering it!!!!! Done rambling. God Bless and keep you and all you love!!
Also, cabin crew on airliners PRIMARY job is passenger safety, not as wait staff, and many, if they survived a crash, have been instrumental in saving many, many passenger's lives.
As the equivalent of a third engineer and whom was assigned to the “Steering Gear” compartment during battle stations, I pretty much resigned myself to certain death should our tiny coast guard ship had ever been attacked. Considering most of my two years sea duty was spent in spaces below the waterline, I would have joined my brothers of the engineering spaces in eternal duty.
HG is the best. After the sinking, "wireless communication" was taken much, much more seriously. It started the Amateur Radio (HAM) international "treaties" and assigned frequencies. 73
Another great video about forgotten history! Thanks @TheHistoryGuyChannel . One aspect of the Titanic tragedy that I find interesting is that almost universally, artistic depictions of the Titanic get it wrong when showing four ship stacks with smoke coming out of them. What is little known is that the rear most smoke stack was FAKE! There were no boilers beneath it. If you look at any Titanic cutaway diagram, it becomes clear. They added the fourth stack because more stacks represented a more reliable vessel. So as you look through the video, you see scene after scene showing four stacks with smoke. Then only at 12:01 you see an actual photo of Titanic showing no smoke out of the rear most stack. Interesting stuff! And history, that deserves to be remembered.
Rare is the story told of too much drinking saving lives, but now I know of two such instances. One is the story told in this video of the Slade brothers who stayed drinking at a pub too long and missed the departing "Titanic." The other is of the actor and animator Seth MacFarlane who drank himself into a hangover which caused him to miss his American Airlines flight from New York to Los Angeles on the morning of September 11, 2001. The airplane he missed boarding would, of course, be one of the planes to hit one of the towers of the World Trade Center.
Good morning History Guy and everyone watching. The unknown and unclaimed victims of the sinking were buried in Nova Scotia. 159 years ago today President Abraham Lincoln was died of his wounds...
The LORD HIMSELF knows each and everyone of their names who were lost at sea. The murder(assassination) of President Lincoln will continue to tear at the heart and soul of this nation torn by war. RIP
This episode is extremely well done. Very respectful commentary when so many died or were otherwise distraught. So many heroes. So many brave people. Truly tragic.
Actually, most radio operators of the day (and for some time afterward) were called "Sparks" because radio was still in its infancy. There were vacuum tubes that worked well in transmitters, but mostly telegraphy was done with the modern equipment of the time: the rotary spark gap. Making it all a bit worse, the international distress call was in the process of changing from CQD (general call, distress) to the SOS symbol: three dots, three dashes, and three dots in a single nine bit stream, it was easily recognized and not confused with the ordinary CQ that invited response from anybody but without priority. Reportedly (and it makes perfect sense) the radio operators on Titanic used both forms. If only the California's radio operators had been on duty.
A much needed to be told story. Mistakes when presenting a story of this magnitude are generally expected occur. No need to apologize for an honest to goodness ’human’ error. So many were msde that tragic evening that this particular misquote is quite frankly historical in itself.
Went to the Titanic exhibit at the Luxor in Las Vegas and seen actual artifacts and got to see the "big piece"...despite what ppl tell u the exhibit is very respectful and almost everything is behind glass or plexiglass
As many viewers have noted, i was incorrect in saying that Junior Wireless Operator Harold Bride perished in the sinking. In fact, Bride survived and passed away in 1956. I apologize for the error.
Well, we are human……. And I for one never thought I’d find any mistakes by the history guy. I love what you do and enjoy every one of them!!!!!!
For a brief moment today, my head swelled up where my hats didn’t fit for ……..30 seconds😂
Again, thank you for what you do!
that's ok Histery man
th-cam.com/video/xZwzqmRJB4I/w-d-xo.html movie about the engineers
@theHistoryGuyChannel This TH-cam documentary focuses on the actions and fates of the engineering crew, black gang, and electricians. Definitely deserves a watch. History deserves to be remembered, and so does this crew.
th-cam.com/video/DCe0gq6OY_E/w-d-xo.htmlsi=5WouY3vRzz35D8KM
Every ship's Radio/Telegrapher- Signalman is called ''Sparks.'' Just as the Ship's Carpenter is called ''Chips,'' and [in the Age of Sail] the mate who wrangled the ship's poultry and livestock, was called ''Jemmy Ducks.''
Thank you for this. My great-uncle, Fred Simmons, was lost on Titanic. He was a steward in First Class, 27 yrs old and married with a 5 month old son. He and his shipmates are seldom remembered outside of their families, and now even those memories are fading with the passing of generations.
TY for his memory. And all those brave men, women and children who went down with Titanic.
Thank you for sharing!
The Titanic museum in Southampton has a poignant map showing where all the crew lived in the town and if they survived or not.
From C. Pelligrino, "Ghosts of the Titanic": At midnight, Designer Andrews told the electricians that the ship was doomed. They said they would stay as long as they could. So the wireless had power, and the electric davits lowered the lifeboats, and the lights stayed on. Then, at 0215 when the final plunge began, the lights went out ... Then, many witnesses, the lights came back on -- because the Engineers were still at their posts, still doing their jobs.
😢😢
True heros
My heart hurts. That is heroism.
The Welin davits were manually operated by the crew using good old fashioned manpower to work the cranks and lower the lifeboats, there was no electricity involved at all. The Titanic's younger sister ship, Britannic, did have electric powered davits that were big enough to reach from one side of the ship to the other, and had their own independent back up power supply if the main power went out.
😔😔 Thank you.
I became a Titanic nerd when I was just 5 or 6 years old, before the movie came out. So for the last 3 decades I have always wondered why the crew of the Titanic has been seemingly forgotten despite their unquestionable heroic actions. Even the captain gets wrongly portrayed as being subpar despite no evidence to support such a characterization. The crew weren’t just victims that fateful night, they became victims of history being rewritten for our superficial entertainment. Therefore, I must thank you for shining some light on these heroic people who saved far more lives than otherwise would have been saved by a less capable crew.
“Greater love havth no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends”
Biblical indeed.
Amen 🙏 ❤
small correction: harold bride did actually survive the sinking and provided some of the best information we have about that night. highly recommend reading his april 19th account to the new york times. still an excellent video!
Came here to say the same. Jack Phillips actually celebrated his 25th birthday aboard the Titanic.
When I saw this title I realized that it doesn't seem as though many people talk about the Titanic crew, but more about the high end passengers on it.
The press has always embraced the elite. They still do. They fawn over Hollywood celebrities.
History that Deserves to be Remembered...Indeed.
Thank you for remembering the crew of the doomed liners. They deserve to be remembered, yet !re all too often forgotten. Thank you so much for uploading.
That scene from titanic, with the water tight doors closing is burned into my mind.
@@jamesturner2126 Me, too. Especially the one stoker who barely made it through.
@@jamesturner2126I hate to burst your bubble but none of the firemen were trapped below in the first hour of the sinking. Each water tight compartment had a latter escape route, and those water tight doors did not close gently like seen in the movie. After closing 9/10 in a slow fashion as seen in the move, the last 1/10 of the closing was done suddenly by gravity, slamming them shut so as to break anything that might be obstructing the door from closing completely. This makes this scene utter nonsense, there was zero reason to try and rush through the closing doors, in fact their training strictly forbid such a dangerous move.
The real nail biting aspect of what the engine crew managed to pull off that night is not depicted at all in the 1997 film. However, it is the main focus of the docudrama “Saving the Titanic: Bravery and Sacrifice” which can be found on TH-cam to watch for free.
Plural?
@@James-zg2nl Its like the difference between the Houston we have a problem scene in Apollo 13 when you listen to the original recordings they are totally cool calm and collected as if they are still in the simulator.
12:46 The boy selling the papers was Ned Parfett. He is stood outside the offices of the White Star Line at Oceanic House, Cockspur Street. He enlisted in the British Army in 1916, in the Royal Field Artillery as a despatch rider. Later he was reassigned to the Quartermasters Department. Awarded the Military Medal he was killed in an artillery bombardment on 29th October 1918. RIP
How sad, just 2 more weeks and the war ended. 😢
Small world
I always wondered who he was and sad he died so young. Now when i see him i will not forget, as he must be edged in peoples minds with that horrible tragedy that happened. Holding that news paper I am not kidding. I saw his face again on april 22 2024 thinking who is he? RIP TO ALL THE LOST SOULS.
TY for his memory and his service to his country during WWI. RIP
@@theboyisnotright6312plenty of people might have made it out of that war if the big wigs weren’t so obsessed with the number 11.
I don't think trained sailors would have been any more courageous than this crew. Thank you for highlighting their stories.
My cousin (A.J. Eagle) died on Titanic, and in a twist of faith, his nephew (my great grandfather) was taken to WW1 on Olympic
Harold Bride survived. He died in 1956.
He did go down with the ship, but managed to get on board the overturned lifeboat that Lightoller was on. His feet got frostbite.
On the Carpathia he helped send messages from the survivors to their families etc.
My father once met the Second Officer of Titanic. My father who was born in 1915 was taken by his father (my grandfather) to St. Albans, England sometime in the late 1920's or the early 1930's to purchase a mastiff from Charles Lightoller the second officer and senior surviving officer of Titanic. To my knowledge the sinking was not discussed. In the summer of 2017 I was in Fairview Lawn Cemetery, Halifax, Nova Scotia and saw the plot where 121 of the Titanic dead were buried including J. Dawson. Very sobering.
Lightoller was also decorated ww1 naval officer, and in old age took his personal bit to evacuate British troops at dunkirk
@@g.t.richardson6311 My father was also a Dunkirk veteran being taken off late in the evacuation. I have the breach pin from the 25 pounder artillery piece his team had to destroy before they left.
I loved Cameron’s Titanic, especially as a kid, but have always hated the way that First Officer Murdoch was depicted in it, as in him passively taking a bribe, and then shooting himself. In actuality, Murdoch saved the most lives by doing the best job filling up the lifeboats on his side of the ship.
Cheers, glad someone was here to correct the record. I always hated the movie for its lies regarding real people, despite also loving it for its entertainment value.
Cameron had an ax to grind and intended to grind it. I agree with you though Murdoch deserves better mention than 'shooting himself'
I have always hated Cameron's Titanic (I hope the iceberg comes early). I have thought a great person to be the central focus of a Titanic movie would be Violet Jessup.
He picked eyewitness accounts to use in the film and and people cherry pick which eyewitness accounts they choose to believe. People don't like that he had J. Bruce Ismay pressuring Captain Smith to keep the speed up. But there was a survivor who says she overheard that conversation. People have just chosen to brand her a liar.
@@MakerInMotion you need to look deeper into the claim of Ismay pressuring the captain to go faster. It does not fit into the context of the ship’s sailing capabilities, it was never designed for speed and the captain actually diverted course to try and avoid the reported ice fields on the main transatlantic route. Therefore, even if you take the inaccurate movie version of the conversation, the captain clearly ignored Ismay. Which means brings to the 2 inaccuracies of these eye witnesses accounts you base your comment on.
1) Ismay openly admitted, during both inquiries, that the alleged conversation did indeed take place but the witness mischaracterized the substance of the conversation. Ismay was expressing concerns that the ship had yet to be fully tested on the voyage in regards to having all boilers lit and at full pressure for sustained period of time. This obviously leads to a ship going pretty fast, but given the diverted course and the fact that 3 days in they only just then lit the last boilers speed was not at all in consideration. Furthermore, the captain actually ordered the ship to slow down that evening just before departure for his stateroom, the movie leaves this out because it, and leaving out the course deviation, undermines the smear campaign the movie takes on the captain. He conducted himself, and the ship, to the best practices of the day that were widely accepted among all other competent captains of ocean liners.
2) the reports of the first officer shooting 2 people before killing himself with a shot to the head is not cooperated by anyone. Shots did indeed occur in that area, that is cooperated, but if a single person was hit with a bullet is only claimed by 1 witness. She also admits in her testimony that she cannot name a particular officer so the movie just assumes it was the first officer. However, he was not the only officer who had access to firearms and was in that particular area. The chief officer was also armed and just meters away from the first officer. There is no way to verify her account of passengers being shot or if an officer committing suicide, or which officer did it. In the vain of “innocent until proven guilty” having the movie blame it all on one particular hero of the night, with a long respected service, and no way to cooperate the witness this is based on is a petty shameful case of defamation, and the family of the first officer did indeed sue Camron over this: setting out of court for an undisclosed amount.
My great grandmother was a pupil at Northam Primary School in April 1912. According to her there was not a single class in the school without a child that had lost their father on Titanic. Later I would live in a house of a lost Titanic Crew member, a first-class steward, which has now got a black plaque above the front door to remember him.
I spent 25 years as a U.S. Mariner 10 in the Navy, 15 in the Merchant Marine. I always enjoyed being in Middle Management while on ship. As the Boatswain (Bo'sun) I had an exciting and comfortable position. When my ship ever made the news (collisions/allisions, groundings...) the news media and investigators always wanted to interview the Captain, Mate, and ship owner first. Most of the time they never bothered us "underlings". Yes, the "non-licensed crew" of any ship on this planet prior to the 1970's (SS Edmund Fitzgerald) was treated as low-life. Even the US Navy still refer to sailors on a ship as "Officers and Crew."
That's a good thing to point out. I remember well the sinking of the Edmund Fitzgerald November 10, 1975 in Lake Superior. 29 very brave men indeed. RIP.
That's definitely a very noble deed, to help remember the forgotten and to be the sound of the silent.
Many thanks history guy
One of your best lessons, History Guy!❤
BTW, I can recommend the 1958 film “A Night to Remember.” Several crew members get memorable cameos. My favorite is the stewardess who hasn’t donned her life jacket, because she doesn’t want the passengers to think she was scared.
The crew that stayed below deck to keep the lights on and keep the pumps running are the true heroes. They stayed at their posts knowing that they were going to die. Keeping the lights on was a big factor in launching the lifeboats. Rip to all that died but remember the crew that stayed at their post below deck.
Well done, Lance. The crew deserve to be remembered.
So true people forget the ones who do all the work in order to make a ship move Thank You History Guy for not forgetting their story and name’s
And that is a part of history also, where by what is considered mundane and unimportant is ignored. Thank you for remembering those who gave all to save others. There have been no valor metals for them.
Lovely video! Harold Bride did survive the sinking aboard the overturned collapsible lifeboat B. I believe he lived until the 1950s.
This was excellent! Thank you talking about the "forgotten" crew! It's sad that they've basically been "left out" of history! Their story certainly needs, "to be remembered!!"
I heard there is an old saying among Stoker's from the steamship era , "When you die, you go to heaven. When we die, we go to the upper decks."😉
Wow, that’s deep
could you even fathom the thought that the mail had a grater chance of surviving than that of a living soul!
Titanic was registered as mail ship, RMS meaning Royal Mail Ship. So in the eyes of the British government, delivering the mail was the priority. But yes, that thinking is abhorrent to me.
Great tribute to the life blood of the Titanic... the brave crew.
Thank you for remembering the "Lost Crew" of the Titanic. The early 20th century was not a place to grow up poor, nor is it now.
A distant relative Alfred John Alexander Podesta, was a Fireman on the Titanic and survived on Lifeboat 7. He was in the Grapes with the Slade brothers but he crossed the tracks ahead of the the train and made it to the gangway.
Great nod to the engineers who gave the ship an extra hour and I think it's good we remember those musicians who kept playing.
The poorest are always forgotten by history. Thank you for remembering them.
The cemetery Of the titanic victims in Canada is a must see
Always Titanic this and Titanic that, but this...this is paying respect to those who gave thier life getting others aboard, and not always shown in the best light by Hollywood. Thank you THG, well done, I can only hope a surviving family member sees this.
Thank you for covering this topic. While reading 'On a Sea of Glass' I printed a passenger and crew list and followed each story. Heartbreaking. One correction: Harold Bride survived. I believe on the overturned collapsible A or B; there are even photos of him being taken off of the Carpathia with his feet bound due to frostbite swelling.
As a former boiler tech in the US Navy, thank you for highlighting the bravery and sacrifice of Titanic’s “ Black Gang”.
Thank you for your service!
Many thanks, I'm from Southampton and although there are memorials and plaque dotted around the city dedicated to the crew it will never be enough , actually if anyone is interested St Mary's church in Southampton had a beautiful new stained glass window fitted in 2018 in memory of the lost crew.
Awesome Tribute to the Titanic Crew, even in the 21st Century.
I read somewhere once upon a long time ago that more has been spent recreating the disaster in Motion Pictures than the cost of the ship and the price all the passengers paid combined.
It always tickles me to think how often Titanic has sunk on film.
Phillips and Bride were employed by the Marconi company. Phillips perished; Bride survived. Were it not for Bride's survival and inquiry testimony, much of what we know about the tragedy would still be unknown.
A look at an overlooked aspect of a fascinating moment of history and, as always on this channel, very well-done. A quibble, however: Jack Philips, the junior wireless operator survived -- he and Harold Bride stayed with the ship until its literal last moment, Philips somehow finding a handhold on the overturned collapsable C lifeboat. Later, on board Carpathia, he assisted that ship's Marconi-men in sending messages to NYC. He enjoyed some fame for some time afterwards. And the sobriquet of "Sparks" was pretty much a generic one for wireless operators -- my dad went to sea as a marine telegrapher in 1926, and was, til the end of his life, known in some circles as "Sparks."
That was my mistake. However, it was Harold Bride that survived. Jack Phillips perished.
@@TheHistoryGuyChannel That's what I get for trying to second-guess a professional! lol
To add to that, the generic sobriquet is still used today. I take pride in having it attached to me at age 63 and still active, albeit on grey ships rather than on civilian ones.
Wow.... thank you for remembering the crew.
Very interesting, many thanks.........being born and bred in Southampton i've certainly been to The Grapes pub in Oxford Street.
It's always good to start my week, and my day, with a history lesson. Thank you THG! 😎
Ok, History Guy... maybe a slight mistake. I think I've watched every Titanic film/doc ever produced... including all the esteemed histotians on TH-cam alone. Cannot tell you how much this piece moved me. You are a class act sir... & so many appreciate your efforts and excellence in your choices and production. Cheers!
Thank you HG for such a well rounded introduction to the crew - why some were onboard (and some weren't), the families and communities that were devastated by the losses... you create a very thorough retelling of these events that really brings them to life
When I was a kid I found a book about the Titanic in my school library, it's what got me interested in history.
same
There is large memorial to the Engineers of the Titanic in Southampton.
Thank you for that information. I’ll put it on my list of sites to visit!
As well as a smaller memorial to the musicians.
@@stephenharris8579 And a memorial to the crew in the ruins of Holy Rood, a memorial to the postal workers inside the Civic Centre, the memorial to the lost passengers is just inside the docks at Dock Gate 4. There's also a memorial to Milvina Dean, the last survivor of the Titanic on the patch of grass just outside the Sea City Museum.
Thank you, History Guy, for bringing this to our attention. May God hold them gently.
As always, I appreciate your coverage of the stories others failed to cover. Thanks.
Thank you for the story of the crew
There is an excellent 2012 docudrama called "Saving the Titanic" that tells the story of the ship's engineers, electricians, and "Black Gang".
I’ve seen it! Really good…
Accuracy was not much. Bell looked diffirent than In real life also engineer uniform had White pants instead of blue ones and in Boiler Room 6 was Assistant 2nd Engineer Harvey instead of 2nd Jr. Engineer Hesketh.
Thank you for another great video, I’m so glad to see you make a video on Titanic. If I may give a couple notes…
The “fire” you mention wasn’t a fire at all but a smoldering combustion that was common in steamships at the time. The smoldering never produced flames and was eliminated, as per usual, by spraying the smolder with water and using the coal in that area first. Post-sinking stories aside, it’s unlikely any potential crew would have turned down a good job because of it.
I’m glad you mentioned the a la carte restaurant staff. They were third party employees of a Ritz chef contracted by White Star. Neither crew nor passenger, they were truly in a tragic position. The story of them being locked in their rooms is probably a myth of yellow journalism, but they still deserve to be remembered.
Just returned from the Titanic Exhibition in Las Vegas on the heels of its’ anniversary. Very moving, phenomenal layout as well as the largest piece of the ship & the most recovered artifacts in one collection. The best part were the many stories of the crew members and other families. Thoroughly enjoyed this video. Thank you.
Thank you for honoring these men. I did see a documentary on the 100th anniversary of the sinking on PBS about the crewmembers who kept the lights on as long as possible.
Thank you for keeping the memory of these heroes alive. They were all forgotten except by those that loved them. Good catch regarding Harold Bride! You're dealing with a bunch of Titanic geeks, so bear with us. Bride was one of the TRUE heroes that survived the sinking. His survival story is amazing and he was one of the bravest men to sail on that ship come April 1912. Loved the video The History Guy.
This was so sad. i am crying. Thank you for remembering the brave crew.lost at sea.
This video shows the Quality of Character of the History Guy.
Thank you for Remembering the lessor known people of History.
Best Wishes from Montana! M.H.
When I was a kiddo I got to stay up for the Friday scary movie, April 14, 1967 it was A Night to Remember. Been fascinated ever since. Very well done, never knew the levels were so horrific. Brave men and women definitely deserve to be remembered.
Please don't ever change your music at the ending I just love
It . This episode gives everyone something to think about. Thank you.
“It looks like sand for breakfast tomorrow.” Well that’s a stiff upper lip.
Wow, that's what I was thinking. They were tough back then, indeed.
I remember one commentator on a t.v. show saying that there were more people who claimed to be reincarnated lost passengers of the Titanic than the number of passengers lost on the Titanic.
Thank you for this tribute to the crew of Titanic!
RIP to all of the people who went down with the ship, my husband's ancestor was on board 💔 he was one of the Stewards 😢
This video is exactly why I love this channel so much, thanks for telling some of their stories!
Hearing about the people who kept the power on made me cry. I didn't expect that, but thank you for remembering them and helping us to remember them. I'm ashamed to admit I never thought of them before.
I'm liking this video with a tear in my eye mourning the lost crew.
As a kid, mom had a copy of the book . The sinking of the Titanic and other great sea disasters. I didn't read it but looked at the pictures from the survivors in the lifeboats . I remember one where the ship broke in half and someone drew it. This book was published in 1921 I think it was. It also had stories of 4 other ships that perished at sea. I wish I had it today, unfortunatly it was lost many many years ago. If you like stories of sea disasters call a book dealer and see if there are any surviving copies or reprints.
A fine tribute.
Thanks for the history!
We recently visited the Titanic Museum in Branson, MO. Very interesting. If you happen to go to Branson to see any of the many shows, take time time see this museum. It’s worth the time.
Those engineering staff were not victims. They were and remain Heroes.
Thanks for remenbering those workers.
I watched an observation of the sinking of the Titanic last night and still it reminds one of all the lives that were affected by that event! So many brave, helpless and unlucky people who had no chance.
My Dad, his mother, father and two sisters came to America in 1920 as third class passengers (who were legal immigrants) in November and I am so often reminded that they too could have been victims of a similar incident, but for the grace of GOD.
THANK YOU FOR REMEMBERING THE CREW and their families!
Lance, thank you for your wonderful history lessons that have got my day going for as many years as you've been doing this!
Thanks for remembering the lost and forgotten crew members of the Titanic.
Once again you are correct. A small, yet very long lasting and devastating, piece of HISTORY THAT DOES NEED TO BE REMEMBERED!! Just like very much of human history! Thanks Mr and Mrs History Guy & Gal. 😉 Thank you, your work will never be lost to history!! Thanks one more time for making history, only by remembering it!!!!! Done rambling. God Bless and keep you and all you love!!
Also, cabin crew on airliners PRIMARY job is passenger safety, not as wait staff, and many, if they survived a crash, have been instrumental in saving many, many passenger's lives.
As the equivalent of a third engineer and whom was assigned to the “Steering Gear” compartment during battle stations, I pretty much resigned myself to certain death should our tiny coast guard ship had ever been attacked.
Considering most of my two years sea duty was spent in spaces below the waterline, I would have joined my brothers of the engineering spaces in eternal duty.
There is a film called Saving The Titanic about the ship's engineering crew. It's pretty good and you can find it on TH-cam.
What a great story and information. It's great that you put a spotlight on those who were there, served and sacrificed.
HG is the best. After the sinking, "wireless communication" was taken much, much more seriously. It started the Amateur Radio (HAM) international "treaties" and assigned frequencies. 73
A sad night it was all those many years ago now....Thank THG🎀
Another great video about forgotten history! Thanks @TheHistoryGuyChannel . One aspect of the Titanic tragedy that I find interesting is that almost universally, artistic depictions of the Titanic get it wrong when showing four ship stacks with smoke coming out of them. What is little known is that the rear most smoke stack was FAKE! There were no boilers beneath it. If you look at any Titanic cutaway diagram, it becomes clear. They added the fourth stack because more stacks represented a more reliable vessel. So as you look through the video, you see scene after scene showing four stacks with smoke. Then only at 12:01 you see an actual photo of Titanic showing no smoke out of the rear most stack. Interesting stuff! And history, that deserves to be remembered.
Thank you, THG. This is so well done!
No one mentions the crew so heroically. Thank you!
Rare is the story told of too much drinking saving lives, but now I know of two such instances. One is the story told in this video of the Slade brothers who stayed drinking at a pub too long and missed the departing "Titanic." The other is of the actor and animator Seth MacFarlane who drank himself into a hangover which caused him to miss his American Airlines flight from New York to Los Angeles on the morning of September 11, 2001. The airplane he missed boarding would, of course, be one of the planes to hit one of the towers of the World Trade Center.
Interesting, indeed.
Good morning History Guy and everyone watching. The unknown and unclaimed victims of the sinking were buried in Nova Scotia. 159 years ago today President Abraham Lincoln was died of his wounds...
The LORD HIMSELF knows each and everyone of their names who were lost at sea.
The murder(assassination) of President Lincoln will continue to tear at the heart and soul of this nation torn by war. RIP
Sounds like we ned a more realistic movie. Thanks for keeping their memory alive, Professor.
Never disappointed in any of your productions!
This episode is extremely well done. Very respectful commentary when so many died or were otherwise distraught. So many heroes. So many brave people. Truly tragic.
Superb work again sir 😊
Another History Guy, remembering folks who stood by DUTY.
Thank you, sir.
A video about the Titanic, yesss. Great video THG
Thank you for this one. Yes..A lot of untold tragedy unfolded that day and in the aftermath...
They deserve to be Remembered ⚘️
Actually, most radio operators of the day (and for some time afterward) were called "Sparks" because radio was still in its infancy. There were vacuum tubes that worked well in transmitters, but mostly telegraphy was done with the modern equipment of the time: the rotary spark gap.
Making it all a bit worse, the international distress call was in the process of changing from CQD (general call, distress) to the SOS symbol: three dots, three dashes, and three dots in a single nine bit stream, it was easily recognized and not confused with the ordinary CQ that invited response from anybody but without priority. Reportedly (and it makes perfect sense) the radio operators on Titanic used both forms. If only the California's radio operators had been on duty.
A much needed to be told story. Mistakes when presenting a story of this magnitude are generally expected occur. No need to apologize for an honest to goodness ’human’ error. So many were msde that tragic evening that this particular misquote is quite frankly historical in itself.
One of your best episodes!
Thx for your great work. 👍🇺🇸👍
Thank you for the lesson.
Perhaps a listing of the names of the crew that perished would be a good addition to this most excellent video on forgotten history.
I wanted to- it was just too large a list to scroll reasonably
Went to the Titanic exhibit at the Luxor in Las Vegas and seen actual artifacts and got to see the "big piece"...despite what ppl tell u the exhibit is very respectful and almost everything is behind glass or plexiglass
Great account of the crew. Maybe do a video on the workers of the Twin Towers and how the fund was distributed. Thanks for the history.